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I am sick of the beatles

GUEST 10 Jun 15 - 08:30 PM
GUEST,Allan Conn 10 Jun 15 - 07:56 AM
Ed T 10 Jun 15 - 07:47 AM
MGM·Lion 10 Jun 15 - 07:39 AM
GUEST,Allan Conn 10 Jun 15 - 02:08 AM
olddude 09 Jun 15 - 08:44 PM
meself 09 Jun 15 - 06:59 PM
GUEST 09 Jun 15 - 05:22 PM
fat B****rd 09 Jun 15 - 08:29 AM
GUEST,Dirk Mc Quigley. 09 Jun 15 - 07:30 AM
olddude 08 Jun 15 - 04:24 PM
GUEST,Allan Conn 08 Jun 15 - 12:09 PM
GUEST 08 Jun 15 - 10:38 AM
Stu 08 Jun 15 - 06:09 AM
GUEST,gillymor 07 Jun 15 - 04:39 PM
fat B****rd 07 Jun 15 - 04:10 PM
Stu 07 Jun 15 - 09:55 AM
GUEST,Tunesmith 07 Jun 15 - 08:17 AM
GUEST,gillymor 07 Jun 15 - 08:03 AM
Jim Carroll 07 Jun 15 - 04:24 AM
Jim Carroll 07 Jun 15 - 04:19 AM
MGM·Lion 07 Jun 15 - 04:04 AM
GUEST,Allan Conn 07 Jun 15 - 03:41 AM
Joe Offer 07 Jun 15 - 03:32 AM
MGM·Lion 07 Jun 15 - 03:10 AM
MGM·Lion 07 Jun 15 - 03:09 AM
Jim Carroll 07 Jun 15 - 02:37 AM
Gurney 07 Jun 15 - 01:29 AM
GUEST,.gargoyle 07 Jun 15 - 12:18 AM
GUEST,MikeL2 06 Jun 15 - 02:42 PM
GUEST 06 Jun 15 - 01:51 PM
Bonzo3legs 06 Jun 15 - 01:17 PM
GUEST,gillymor 06 Jun 15 - 01:06 PM
GUEST,gillymor 06 Jun 15 - 12:48 PM
terrier 06 Jun 15 - 12:27 PM
meself 06 Jun 15 - 11:48 AM
GUEST,leeneia 06 Jun 15 - 11:16 AM
GUEST,Auldtimer 05 Jun 15 - 06:19 PM
GUEST,Desi 05 Jun 15 - 08:44 AM
GUEST 04 Jun 15 - 04:03 PM
GUEST,leeneia 03 Jun 15 - 12:31 PM
olddude 02 Jun 15 - 10:03 PM
olddude 02 Jun 15 - 07:52 PM
GUEST, DTM 02 Jun 15 - 07:41 PM
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olddude 02 Jun 15 - 03:33 PM
GUEST,Desi C 02 Jun 15 - 02:31 PM
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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jun 15 - 08:30 PM

It's not just the Beatles. All that pop music that I once thought was sublimely beautiful now sounds like garbage. It's like Miley Cyrus but without the strip show.

Even at the time I knew there was usually only one good song on an album. Those hit songs, such as Suite Judy Blue Eyes, now seem just barely tolerable, and the rest of the stuff on each album makes me want to run out of the room screaming.

By contrast, folk and folkish singers from that time sound as good now as they did back then. And older pop music, from the 30's and 40's, holds up pretty well too.


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 10 Jun 15 - 07:56 AM

I feel old nowadays compared with some of musicians I play with. I was heading in to the pub door with a lass in her early 30s who'd put fiddle to one of my songs. I was wearing a black cap and had the guitar over the shoulder and one of the regulars jokingly said "Here comes Donovan"

She whispered to me "I've never seen Jason Donovan wear a hat!"


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Jun 15 - 07:47 AM

"Worrying too much about other people's ears and not my own, I lost my way."

Quote-Carly Simon


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Jun 15 - 07:39 AM

Blimey, aren't you all young! I was too old for the Beatles really -- 30 when they formed. Yeah yeah yeah


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 10 Jun 15 - 02:08 AM

Before my time too. In truth I can barely remember the Beatles either as I was only a wee kid when they were active. Seemingly McCartney wrote the song in India and had the song as a straight take on "Back In The USA" and played it to others there on the acoustic. It must have been the main verses as Mike Love of the Beach Boys claims it was he himself who then suggested a bit be added about all the different Soviet girls - which McCartney later did and added the Beach Boy harmonies etc. Yes it is parodying Berry and the Beach Boys but I think it was just a bit of fun and flattery more than actual ridicule. From everything I've read both Lennon and McCartney were inspired by Berry and loved the Beach Boys music.

http://www.beatlesbible.com/songs/back-in-the-ussr/


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: olddude
Date: 09 Jun 15 - 08:44 PM

Charlie you know me too well. :)


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: meself
Date: 09 Jun 15 - 06:59 PM

Ridicule - McCartney? How about whimsy?


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jun 15 - 05:22 PM

Allan, I never heard of "Back in the USA" before. That's a bit before my time.

Yes, of course, it's the obvious antecedent to "Back in the USSR," in both the title and the opening lyrics. But I don't see how McCartney could have meant anything but ridicule of the other songs, with lyrics like "Ukraine girls really knock me out; they leave the west behind."


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: fat B****rd
Date: 09 Jun 15 - 08:29 AM

Remember, Dan....I'm Looking Through You.


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST,Dirk Mc Quigley.
Date: 09 Jun 15 - 07:30 AM

olddude don't make it bad. Remember to let it into your heart, then you can start to make it better.


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: olddude
Date: 08 Jun 15 - 04:24 PM

Lol priceless, got ya going I did tee hee


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 08 Jun 15 - 12:09 PM

Do you think the song ridiculed the Beach Boys? Yes it was a play on the idea of the theme (USSR instead of USA) but I thought it was more a celebration of both Chuck Berry (ie Back In The USA) and the Beach Boys (California Girls) re bringing in both the girl theme and harmonies. I like all three songs......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls5T3tzAHuw


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jun 15 - 10:38 AM

Leeneia: Here are a couple of recordings of 17-year cicadas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuVzmwLDU1I.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpIVXFZOecQ

I agree there is a striking resemblance to parts of "Back in the USSR," enough to make me wonder if they got it by adding field recordings of 17-year cicadas to the mix.

I remember when I thought the Beatles had a sophisticated sound, as typified by that song's ridiculing of the bubble-gum music of the Beach Boys. But "California Girls" sounds much less offensive to me now than "Back in the USSR."


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: Stu
Date: 08 Jun 15 - 06:09 AM

Here come ole DanTop
He come groovin' up slowly.


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 07 Jun 15 - 04:39 PM

He's a real Nowhere Man. :)


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: fat B****rd
Date: 07 Jun 15 - 04:10 PM

You do all realize that Dan is cackling happily to himself while you're all ranting, don't you?.
Hello, Dan. I hope you're well, you old stirrer. Best regards from Charlie.


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: Stu
Date: 07 Jun 15 - 09:55 AM

I love the Beatles. Was lucky enough to see George Harrison live at the Birmingham Heartbeat concert in 1986, and McCartney at Knebworth in 1990.

It's all subjective at the end of the day.


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 07 Jun 15 - 08:17 AM

Well, in The Beatles defence they were- when they emerged - head and shoulders ahead of anything else in the UK ( don't talk about The Stones with their weak singer and uninspiring cover versions, and even when they got going as songwriters a lot of their material was just cynically milking the "bad boys" image that Oldham had worked hard to create)

I think a good way of accessing a act's worth is to see how they were viewed by their contemporaries, and The Beatles were held in awe by almost the whole world of pop/rock music.


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 07 Jun 15 - 08:03 AM

Joe, I thought the Beatles deserved their own appreciation thread and that it might have drawn posters who might not have opened this thread given it's negative title.

Also:
The Night Before
If I Fell
Across the Universe
Here There and Everywhere
And I Love Her
You Can't Do That

    Hi, gillymor, I have no doubt you had good intentions. It might have been appropriate to start the second thread after the current discussion had died down and dropped off the Forum menu. But we do our best to prevent having two currently active threads on the same subject. If I sees 'em, I combines 'em. Having two threads just confuses people too much, and often makes people think they need to post the same message twice.
    -Joe-


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jun 15 - 04:24 AM

"Who has made a disc this week, do you think, that Mudcatters will still be opening threads about in 2065?
The Maccoll family are poised to launch a 4 CD set of the MacColl output - some of it dating back to the 50s I should imagine
It's now reasonably possible to get remastered copies of most of Ewan's recordings - not bad for a music that never made the charts (except once).
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jun 15 - 04:19 AM

"Nah -- there were always Stan Kelly-Bootle & the Spinners too, you know, Jim."
Stan had disappeared off the scene by the mid-sixties Mike, Bootle never got over the bombing (lived there but was forcibly moved to Finchingfield in Essex to avoid the excesses of the war)
Eternally grateful to the Spinners for introducing me to fpolk song, but, like Topsy, I growed!
"Eleanor Rigby"
We....lll not too bad as songs go - had much more going for it than today's gibberish
Peggy Seeger used it as a basis for one of her songs (All Those Murdered People) for the 1968 Festival of Fools, but was forced to remove it from the programme songbook on the advice of her solicitors - not far enough removed from the original.
One of the oddities of our book collection is the two editions - before and after the page was extracted.
"& Cilla"
You mean Ms. White - nah - you don't count if you change your name apparently!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Jun 15 - 04:04 AM

Right. & who else are people staring current threads about, of the singers and groups who were around ½C ago? Who has made a disc this week, do you think, that Mudcatters will still be opening threads about in 2065?

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 07 Jun 15 - 03:41 AM

Sorry but I've got to say. Sure everyone has different tastes but to suggest they as a unit were only a bit talented to me seems ludicrous. They have left a legacy of dozens upon dozens of wonderful, and varied, songs. Why we always have to knock people rather than celebrate them baffles me.


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Subject: RE: I'm (love)sick for the Beatles
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Jun 15 - 03:32 AM

I gotta say, gillymor, that I question the need to start an "answer" thread instead of posting to the ongoing thread.
It just seems to confuse things. I combined the two threads, but it would have been better for you to post in the original thread in the first place.
-Joe Offer, Mudcat Music Editor-


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Jun 15 - 03:10 AM

... & Cilla


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Jun 15 - 03:09 AM

Nah -- there were always Stan Kelly-Bootle & the Spinners too, you know, Jim.
As to talent: like everybody the young moppet-heads won some & lost a few more. If I were invited to compile an anthology of significant late-C20 English verse for a university press, I should certainly include Eleanor Rigby, along with some of Ewan's better efforts like Schooldays Over, as well as some of the more obvious anthology-poets.

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jun 15 - 02:37 AM

" I am sick of the beatles"
As a 1960s refugee from Beatles/football infested Liverpool, I couldn't agree more.
No problem with the lads themselves - seemed nice enough bunch and talented - to a degree, but nothing special until the hype-machine got going (saw them a couple of times at The Aintree Institute before all the fuss).
Resented them bitterly when they took over The Cavern (best jazz club I've ever been to), and turned it into a palace for the bland and brainless.
Found their music pleasantly inoffensive, but nothing special.
But that ****** overstated hype - something created to keep our minds off the fact that there was no work and if you wanted to stay alive, you had to move South.
They disappeared for a time - as happens with pop-music creations, and were resurrected when the modern industry ran out of ideas - as also happens (more and more nowadays with an industry that has less and less imagination)   
Subsequent visits back home have been depressing - a place living on a past that wasn't much to write home about when it was the present - "historic Beatles Tours" to Penny Lane - "The Cavern Museum" and that god-awful 'Yellow Submarine' tat at John Lennon (for ******'* sake) Airport   
Liverpool is a great city with with a fascinating history and wonderful, generous, friendly people - pity people picture it as a place with a population of 4.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: I'm (love)sick for the Beatles
From: Gurney
Date: 07 Jun 15 - 01:29 AM

gargoyle, that is a non-sequitur to out-do your usual!

You should have started 'BeEtles are fine...' I'm assuming the insects you specify are what is colloquially known as Crabs?

I've yet to hear a cover of a L&McC song that is better than the Beatles'.
Some years ago I was at a festival where someone was singing from the Beatles songbook. Everyone in the room, all folkies, knew all the words, too.


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Subject: RE: I'm (love)sick for the Beatles
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 07 Jun 15 - 12:18 AM

Beatles are fine....

But there is nothing better than crotch-crickets between bonzo' s third leg.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

cockroaches in a gingangillymore are mighty fine too.


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 06 Jun 15 - 02:42 PM

Hi

Here's something...hello goodbye...

I am old enough (too old !!) to have been around when the Beatles first started.

Coming from the North West ( England that is) we had heard of them even before they came on TV on our North West News.

Never really took to them then. But recently I unearthed a couple of old LP.s that must of been my sister's that somehow got in my collection. I have found myself liking some of their stuff. "While my guitar gently weeps" is one such. Another is Chains. An unusual track for them was "Till there was you".

Yeah Yeah Yeah the boys did good.

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: I'm (love)sick for the Beatles
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jun 15 - 01:51 PM

Why?


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Subject: RE: I'm (love)sick for the Beatles
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Jun 15 - 01:17 PM

Shame that PS I Love You is one of the few Beatles tracks for which no string of different takes has surfaced.


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Subject: RE: I'm (love)sick for the Beatles
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 06 Jun 15 - 01:06 PM

"already mentioned" in the other Beatles thread, that is.


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Subject: I'm (love)sick for the Beatles
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 06 Jun 15 - 12:48 PM

No disrespect to Old Dude (I know where he's coming from) but the Beatles wrote some lovely, timeless melodies. Some of my favorites:

I'll Get You (kind of a sappy lyric but a great tune)
I Will
In My Life
And Your Bird Can Sing
All My Loving
P.S. I Love You
Two of Us

along with some others already mentioned.


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: terrier
Date: 06 Jun 15 - 12:27 PM

LOL, that's a flashback from the sixties. meself!
Do you want to know a secret, I thought this thread was in danger of getting serious for a moment, but It's Getting Better. certainly is a Helter Skelter of a thread though. I think some people are just being Mean Mister Mustard.
Strawberry Fields Forever is what I say (whatever that means).


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: meself
Date: 06 Jun 15 - 11:48 AM

All this 'yeah, yeah, yeah'! That's not music - it's noise! And that hair! You can't tell the boys from the girls these days


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 06 Jun 15 - 11:16 AM

I tried to find a recording of the loud, strident buzzing of the 17-year cicada, but nothing did it justice.

You haven't heard ugly till you've encountered a grove of trees with thousands of them going at once. Some Beatles songs have singing of the same timbre.


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST,Auldtimer
Date: 05 Jun 15 - 06:19 PM

I wish I'd known in the 60's I'd still be listening to them in my 60's.........


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST,Desi
Date: 05 Jun 15 - 08:44 AM

Thanks but you can kep him!


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 04:03 PM

That's interesting, Leeneia. I didn't know beatles sometimes sound like cicadas. I knew that crickets sound a bit like cicadas, but the only sound I've heard beatles make is an intermittent scraping sound.


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 12:31 PM

The worst part was the way they sometimes sounded like 17-year cicadas - the loud, unabashed, adenoidal whine.

We are getting the 17-year cicadas again soon. I'm considering moving to Death Valley. They probably don't have 17-year cicadas in Death Valley.


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: olddude
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 10:03 PM

Ok I will like the beatles again if you brits agree to take back gordon Ramsey deal?


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: olddude
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 07:52 PM

I know, I am bad, but not boring ... LOL


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST, DTM
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 07:41 PM

"If I never hear another over played beatle song again its Ok with me. There I said it" - Olddude

You better Run For Your Life, mate ;-)


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 07:29 PM

When I saw this thread I wondered whether I'm sick of the Beatles too. So I forced myself to listen to Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club album. It was unbearable. I kept asking myself, "What did I ever like about this?" And then I remembered having done the same thing in the late 70's, with the same reaction.


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: olddude
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 03:33 PM

Not true I get a Christmas gift every year. Oh and I hear Lucy calling you


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST,Desi C
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 02:31 PM

Well, they're probably not too keen on you!


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 12:19 PM

Like it or not, they started a ....revolution....in music.


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: GUEST,wag
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 12:13 PM

I don't mind the beatles so much, but the cockroaches really give me the creeps. They'll walk right across my plate while I'm eating.


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Subject: RE: I am sick of the beatles
From: olddude
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 10:26 AM

Hey nothing wrong with the beatles, I just sick of them. I am also sick of too much Sargent pepper on my steak. :)


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