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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 25 Nov 14 - 06:19 AM

Al. Just for the record, MacColl did play working men's clubs, and holiday camps, as part of Theatre Workshop.

As for the idea that you have to have fronted a rock band, before you can comment on pop music, Jeezzzussss!!! Come on now. How many pop musicologists, can ever claim to have "fronted a rock band"? Answers on the back of a postage stamp please.


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Nov 14 - 06:10 AM

cobblers - he never did working mens club gigs - he never got to grips with the idea the experience of making ordinary non folk people dance.

if you've never fronted a rock band - you have sod all idea of what constitutes the music of the people in the last sixty years. he was not equipped make any such any such distinction.

Ewan's achievements are manifest and awe inspiring. they don't need bullshit hyperbole. his analyses of folk music was at best questionable. in the 1960's folk music went one way, he went the other. and took a lot of misguided people with him.


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Nov 14 - 03:38 AM

"Wonder if he supported the 1954 definition..."
He devoted his life to the idea that folk songs proper were the artistic creations of working people and they were very different from those churned out by the music industry.
I've just been working on the long interview he gave, part of which was used for four radio programmes by Charles Parker entitled 'Vox Pop', based on the pop music industry - a brilliant analysis of the difference between pop and folk.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 10:48 PM

oh Michael! for godsake no....don't lets go there.


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: michaelr
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 08:21 PM

Uh-oh -- one of the chapters is titled What Is Folk Music?

Wonder if he supported the 1954 definition...


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 04:24 PM

its not just that though. people with arthritis in their fingers find kindles not so difficult to handle as a book. plus if you go on holiday, or in hospital you can take a few books, or with a kindle fire model - you can take an audio book. very handy for blind people.


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 04:18 PM

yes but then i need reading glasses, whereas with the kindle i just make the print a bit bigger. i could only get the ellman book about yeats on paper. i do like the kindle.


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 01:16 PM

"do you know if theres any chance of Journeyman going on Kindle, Jim?"
Doubt it Al - don't get on with Kindle since I tried to turn the corner of the page down
If you decide to go for the real thing, look out for the second expanded edition - several bargain used copies on the net
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 11:51 AM

I'm still getting €65,58 (Euros) as the Book Depository price which, at current rates, abut £52
MacColl book
A bit more than I said earlier, but still not £64 - sorry about the discrepancy - will send my currency converter to bed without any supper!!
Hi Bob - send me some more pills!
Don't remember the Amazon bit - don't tell Peggy!!
Jim


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 11:42 AM

Hang on. I've just realised. Irrespective of how their workers are treated, TBD is still part of Amazon's evil, underhanded tax dodging cartel. That places it well and truly off limits.

What wouldn't I give for the return of all those friendly local high street book shops. They may not have been able to pay their workers a decent wage, but I never heard of one that had a policy of sacking its staff members after six days sick leave.


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 11:31 AM

Ethical buying is a veritable hornets nest. In this case I refuse point blank to deal directly with Amazon (as distinct from Amazon Marketplace, where a lot of small traders ply their wares), because of the lousy way they treat their workers, and because they won't pay their taxes.

The Book Depository I'm not sure about. Yes, it was taken over by Amazon several years ago, but I've seen nothing to indicate TBD workers are treated in quite the same barbaric fashion as Amazon workers. Does anybody know whether TBD workers managed to retain their trade union rights and working conditions, or whether they went by the board when Amazon took over?

I should add that I haven't bought anything from TBD in God knows how long, so from my point of view, the question is somewhat academic. However, it would be handy to know in case a raving bargain ever crops up.


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 11:27 AM

According to the website, you can buy it online for £58.50 (that's for the print copy, not an ebook).

If you're an email subscriber to Ashgate, they give discounts and periodic special deals... so get on their email list!

It's not actually published till December.

Derek


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: GUEST,Guest - Bob Blair
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 11:12 AM

Sh*** pressed the submit button above by mistake. I should keep taking the tablets.

If Jim or anyone els saw it at £47 it was a bargain - should have snapped it up

the current Book depository price is £64.17, but it's cheaper on eBay at the moment.

The publisher's site says an ebook is available but I have been unable to find anyone selling the ebook so far.

Anyway your lucky the price is as low as it is :-). When I spoke to Peggy about it almost 3 years ago the publishers proposed price was over £100 . Peggy said she would have a word with someone about and that's what maybe brought the price down

Bob Blair


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: GUEST,Guest - Bob Blair
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 11:00 AM

Keep taking the memory pills Jim - I told you that The Book Depository was part of Amaazon some time ago.

If you or anyone else saw it on the


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 10:59 AM

they save money by not paying any tax.

do you know if theres any chance of Journeyman going on Kindle, Jim?


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 10:46 AM

On checking, I find they are part of Amazon - oh dear!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 10:42 AM

"How do they manage to send it post free from Luxembourg?"
Don't think they're part of Amazon (hope not!!)
Whenever they're ou of stock they link you to Abe
A couple of years ago we bought The Famine Atlas - a doorstep of a book which came at a considerable discount and post-free - helps when you're living on the Atlantic coast
Good, comprehensive stock and good discounts and boasts that it posts free all over the world - never let me down yet.
I have in the back of my mind that they are based in Yorkshire (still - we've all got to live somewhere, haven't we!!)
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 10:00 AM

Jim, isn't the Book Depository now part of Amazon ?

How do they manage to send it post free from Luxembourg?


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
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Date: 24 Nov 14 - 09:28 AM


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 08:32 AM

The book Depository have it at around £47, postage free
Getting warm
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 08:04 AM

sadly the pc types have removed the Enid Blytons. unfair to people with big ears. the sort of thing you and Peggy would approve of.


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 07:46 AM

Derek. No. It's a case of academics speaking to academics. Before anyone accuses me of inverted academic snobbery, let me hasten to add that I'm talking specifically about those academics who write and speak in such jargon laden terminology that only their colleagues can understand them.

That's why Ashgates are so expensive. The publishers know that they will only sell in extremely limited quantities, mostly only to university libraries.

Les. I certainly hope a copy winds up in Manchester Central library, if for no other reason than that's where MacColl did most of his early reading. However, thanks to the activities of Cameron, Clegg and co., I doubt there's a public library left in the whole of the UK which could even consider spending that sort of money on a single reference book.


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 07:16 AM

An essential for Manchester Central Ref then?


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 07:10 AM

I was told about this a couple of years ago by Peggy and she mentioned it again last week when we interviewed her.
It does sound interesting and the chapter headings make it more so.
I have to admit, I was taken aback at the price, but that seems to be the way minority interest books go nowadays
I was quite keen to get David Atkinson's 'Street Ballads in Nineteenth-Century Britain, Ireland, and North America' (270 pages) until I found the price was £70.
Looks like it might be a case of eeny - meeny - miney- mo for Christmas this year unless I can find two wealthy friends.
Then, of course, there is the public library
Best stick with Enid Blyton Al
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 07:03 AM

Fred wrote; "the only people who can make sense of them are the people they're aimed at."
That sounds like good marketing to me Fred ... :-)
Otherwise, yes, they are amazingly expensive!
Derek


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 05:36 AM

That's the trouble with these Ashgates. They cost the earth and their subject matters are often discussed at such a rarified level, that the only people who can make sense of them are the people they're aimed at.

Think I'll wait until I can pick up a remaindered copy.


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 02:27 AM

looks very interesting - £58 for a book seems a bit steep to me. you can get the complete works of joyce or dickens for a quid on kindle. or shakespeare!

buy a kindle - its better value!


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Subject: RE: New book - Legacies of Ewan MacColl
From: maeve
Date: 23 Nov 14 - 11:18 PM

Here is your proper link transmogrified into a blue clicky. The book looks interesting. Legacies of Ewan MacColl


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Subject: RE: New book - Lagacies of Ewan MacColl
From: GUEST,Guest. Bob Blair
Date: 23 Nov 14 - 11:13 PM

Should be Legacies

Plus here's a proper link.

http://www.ashgate.com/default.aspx?page=637&calcTitle=1&title_id=10679&edition_id=11003

Bob Blair


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Subject: New book - Lagacies of Ewan MacColl
From: GUEST,Guest. Bob Blair
Date: 23 Nov 14 - 11:06 PM

http://www.ashgate.com/default.aspx?page=637&calcTitle=1&title_id=10679&edition_id=11003

I'm sure this will provoke a few arguments - and trolls.

Standby Jim

Bob Blair


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