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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Sep 14 - 03:43 AM

'Reed' of course, Mike - bloody double tasking
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Sep 14 - 12:59 PM

Henry Reid it is Mike - lovely poem
Charles Reade - the other one 'Cloister and the Hearth?
Must go off and- in the middle of easing the spring
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 24 Sep 14 - 12:38 PM

"It's forty miles I've been today.
I spied a cottage all on the way."


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: GUEST,Mike Yates
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 02:37 PM

Walking 54 miles in one day is pretty impressive. As a young boy I was equally impressed when my grandfather told me that he and his parents once walked seven miles into Blackburn (Lancashire) to hear Marie LLoyd sing in a Saturday night Music Hall. They then walked the seven miles back home after the event. "What was she like?" I asked him. His reply, which I can still clearly remember, was, "Bloody good!"


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: GUEST,gutcher
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 01:00 PM

On the subject of oral tradition. My own experience may enlighten some. During a discussion in an educated company I mentioned that my grandfather always stated that some people would walk 50 miles in a day, this was received with incredulity and derision by these folk,
However a few weeks later when reading a biography of Thomas Carlyle I found he stated that just prior to the advent of the railway system the longest walk he completed in one day was 54 miles, from Muirkirk in Ayrshire to the town of Dumfries.
Having just finished reading an NMS book entitled "From Kelso To Kalamazoo" the memoirs of George Taylor I find that Mr Taylor often walked 50 miles to Edinburgh in 14 hrs. and on one occasion he was accompanied by a sister taking the roughly the same time.
The ootby herd folk were the elite of the agricultural workers often owning a part of the sheep stock, this along with their own horses, dairy cows, pigs, hens and ducks made them in a lot of cases
independant of a monetary wage, this was evident in our own family by the fact my Grandfather always had his pony and trap and when in 1944 my two youngest uncles came of age to drive he became a car owner a thing almost unknown in that era for working folk.
My own formative years were unencumbered by outside alien cultures a fact for which I am eternally grateful.
As regards my Grandfathers generation and and those prior generations they, although literate, had a great store of oral stories and songs, the only drawback being, something which people nowadays find hard to comprehend, the isolation and difficulty of obtaining the books then on the market which along with there cost I would imagine made for a very small library in many cases.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 12:58 PM

Henry Reed, I think you mean, Jim -- Lessons Of The War 1: Naming Of Parts.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 12:55 PM

I understand it has been published in the new edition of Child which, in the words of the lovely Charles Reade poem "in my case, I have not got"
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Lighter
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 12:53 PM

Jim, Steve, go here, p. 464:

https://archive.org/stream/johnsonsuniversa01adam#page/466/mode/2up/search/ballad+poetry

An interesting paper on Child and contemporaneous collecting:

auspace.athabascau.ca:8080/bitstream/.../david_gregory_fsac09short.doc


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 11:32 AM

Please double me in with Jim's request.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 10:47 AM

Lighter - anybody
Does anyone know where can download a half=decent copy of Child's 'Ballad Poetry' article (thanks for that L) from Johnson's Dictionary?
I've tried 'Lightshotting' it but it's not clear enough
Thanks,
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 08:43 AM

Seems strange that Lord Willoughby {aka Brave Lord Willoughby &c} does not seem to have been included, as it seems to fulfil all the criteria & is in Percy. I have refreshed an old thread on it to show what I mean.

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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 08:25 AM

Further to Mike Yates's 19 Sep 14 - 10:28 AM posting (but continuing the drift from the proper subject of this thread) Joe's version of The Daemon Lover is almost identical to the version in Scott's Minstrelsy, INCLUDING the four verses that Child attributed to William Laidlaw and therefore omitted from his version F.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Lighter
Date: 19 Sep 14 - 03:32 PM

I remember reading Fowler many years ago. Like Steve, I found it fascinating and illuminating.

Fowler, unlike some earlier ballad commentators, was a resolute skeptic in matters of "lost folk originals" and the presumed origins of many early ballads.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 19 Sep 14 - 03:17 PM

Hi Mike, Jon and Joe

Yes, thanks, I read that Lomax statement recently somewhere, perhaps on another thread.

Joe,
Now the ESPB (Child 1882-98) has recently been republished by Loomis copies are very easy to come by, worth a look out on EBay. The Dover pbk edition in 5 vols crops up frequently and odd vols can be obtained for a song. I have my old Dover set so I didn't bother with the Loomis edition. All they have done with this edition is put all the versions in the addendas into the appropriate places under the respective titles/numbers, for instance, all of the versions of a single ballad are now grouped together. Whilst this is useful I'm happy with my Dover. However I did check all of the addendas and the only versions of 70 are the 2 I mentioned.

Mike,
David C Fowler's book 'A Literary History of the Popular Ballad' is very illuminating on the subject of bookish origins for many of the ballads. Unfortunately it only goes as far as 1800 so it doesn't cover Motherwell and P Buchan. Even a very restrained Child had plenty to say on literary influence on the ballads in his headnotes.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: GUEST,Mike Yates
Date: 19 Sep 14 - 02:36 PM

Sorry, having re-read some entries, I now know who I am talking to! Sad to say that I am far from the Borders and now live in Wiltshire, though it would be nice to meet up again.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: GUEST,Mike Yates
Date: 19 Sep 14 - 02:33 PM

Hi "Gutcher". hello again, then! Though, sadly, with that name, I am unable to remember who you are!!!


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: GUEST,gutcher
Date: 19 Sep 14 - 12:48 PM

I have been trying without success to obtain a look at the 1890s. Child canon. All I have is the CBDB which gives the title as William an Lady Maisrie, this I understood was a supernatural ballad unlike William and Lady Marjory which if nothing else relates to flesh and blood as shown in the verse:--
"It"s noo this couple tae bed are boun
Tae tak there pleasures there o
And it"s lang ere lang aa the play was ouwr
And Willie he slept soun o.

Robertson and Murray are not to be equated with your book learned collectors but as herds they were meeting folk of their own class who, though literate, were well versed in the oral traditions and songs of their area, where, in those days of limited travel, they were probably as much thirled to the area in which they were dwelling as were their flocks. Bearing this in mind and it being only 30 years or so earlier that the great harvest had been made who can say that the published version was known to their informant.

Thomas Murrays book of poems ran to some 7 editions.

Hello Mike---it must be ten years now since we last met.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Lighter
Date: 19 Sep 14 - 10:55 AM

Thanks for bringing that passage to our attention, Mike.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: GUEST,Mike Yates
Date: 19 Sep 14 - 10:28 AM

Steve, your comment about Joe Rae's ballad, that it "is almost word for word Child's A version from Motherwell. It comes out of a book, no matter who passed it onto who afterwards." is confirmation of something that I have previously written about:

"When the American song collector Alan Lomax visited Scotland in the '50s he had this to say about the singers that he met:

The Scots have the liveliest folk tradition of the British Isles, but paradoxically, it is the most bookish. Everywhere in Scotland I collected songs of written or bookish origin from country singers, and, on the other hand, I constantly encountered bookish Scotsmen who had good traditional versions of the finest folk songs. For this reason I have published songs which show every degree and kind of literary influence."


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Jack Campin
Date: 15 Sep 14 - 07:11 PM

I looked through some related threads here and found one which had been pointlessly and counterproductively closed by a mod.

It contained this bit:

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Birthday, Francis J Child
From: Bat Goddess - PM
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 01:50 PM

His grave is in the Sedgwick Pie (he was married to a Sedgwick) in the Stockbridge, Massachusetts cemetery. Very simple marker with his birth and death dates and the words, "Editor, English and Scottish Ballads."


Technology moves on in ways unimaginable to a censorious mod in 2001, and we can now all look at the Sedgwick Pie online and see exactly where Child's grave is.

Sedgwick Pie site

I couldn't find a photo of the gravestone, though. findagrave.com often has them but they don't know about him yet.

It caught my attention because I work in Stockbridge, Edinburgh; I knew about Stockbridge, Mass. because it features in one of Charles Ives's "Three Places in New England":

Ives on YouTube

The pictures used to illustrate the music are mostly gloomy dark brown. Doesn't look like a fun place.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 15 Sep 14 - 06:02 PM

Joe,
A further apology is needed here. You say the only person to have 'recorded' and I interpreted this wrongly to mean this was the only version of the ballad, interpreting 'recorded' as 'noted down', as both Motherwell and Peter Buchan claimed to have collected a version.

Your version seems to have come directly from Motherwell's version first published in 1827.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 14 Sep 14 - 04:24 PM

Joe,
I'm sorry old mate, but the version you give is almost word for word Child's A version from Motherwell. It comes out of a book, no matter who passed it onto who afterwards.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: GUEST,gutcher
Date: 14 Sep 14 - 03:04 PM

Ballad No 70 as far as I can see bears no resemblance to the one in question.
Is it given as a variation in the final Child collection under this number?.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 14 Sep 14 - 12:08 PM

Ah, so your initial posting was an error then, Joe. It is in Child. No probs. Just glad it's sorted.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Reinhard
Date: 14 Sep 14 - 03:22 AM

Halewijn Vandijk's Child Ballad Database (CBDB) gives Joe Rae's "William and Lady Marjorie" as a (the only) recording of Child 70.

Musical Traditions notes on Joe Rae's album The Broom Blooms Bonny


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Sep 14 - 08:20 PM

Sorry Steve for the misinformation.
No. 70 in the record section of the Child Ballad Database gives details of W & L M which as far as I can see have no connection with the ballad named as No. 70.
To find the words of W & L M you have to go back to the MTIM site and look up article No. 076


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 13 Sep 14 - 05:46 PM

Joe,
Please forgive my ignorance. CBDB? Child Ballad Database? The letter doesn't give us any extra information above what you've already posted. Googling the initials CBDB brings up all sorts of weird and wonderful stuff but nothing relating to folk ballads that I can see.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 13 Sep 14 - 05:35 PM

There is no ballad in ESPB with that title. All titles used are in the index. I'll follow your instruction and have a look at it.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Gutcher
Date: 13 Sep 14 - 11:09 AM

Not necessarily Steve. As I understand it Child in his final collection had a main ballad followed by various variations and somewhere he may have included W & L M in that work. Perhaps someone may check this out.
My own 1861 edition of the English and Scottish Ballads does not have these variations, being confined to one named ballad per title.
Take a look at a letter dated 1.6.13 on the Musical Traditions Internet Magazine and on the CBDB site the second last item on the CD
gives the words as sung.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 12 Sep 14 - 02:31 PM

If you're the only person who has recorded it I think you've answered your own question re inclusion in Child.

However, if you can post it here we can have a look and give you our opinions.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Gutcher
Date: 12 Sep 14 - 02:06 PM

Steve.
I only have the ballad W & L M orally from a late neighbour whose father and the Galloway poet Thomas Murray heard it c1860 and the story behind it at the site tradition gives as the scene where it took place, this being Thirlestain Castle two or three miles N.W. of Selkirk, note:- there were two Thirlestain Castles some 15 to 20 miles apart as the crow flies, the one in question being owned by the Scots and it is no longer in existance the other, which can be visited, was the home of the Maitlands one of whom was secretary to Mary Queen of Scots.
When I last checked I was the only person ever to have recorded this one.
I will check up and see if I can find the site where details of recordings can be found.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 12 Sep 14 - 12:49 PM

Sorry that was me Cookieless!


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 14 - 12:21 PM

Hi Gutcher,
My take on the Leeds printed copy is that the chap knew the ballad from oral tradition and tried his luck taking it into the printer himself. It's too garbled to have been worked over by an amateur poet.

I've decided to stop using the word 'hack' to describe these people who composed our ballads. It seems so ungrateful for what they left us.

As for 'William and Lady Marjorie' the only 'William and Marjorie' I have is a version of 'Sweet William's Ghost' Child 77, in Motherwell.
I'm no expert but if you can point me in the right direction I'll have a look. I have all of the usual collections including the Scots ones.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Gutcher
Date: 12 Sep 14 - 09:54 AM

A good example of a misheard traditional ballad in the hands of a composer for a broadside sheet would be "Hannah Le Gordon".

Anent "William and Lady Marjorie" if the mores of the time be known there is more information contained in the first verse of this ballad than can be found in many a 10 to 30 verse ballad.
No explanation forthcoming from any of the experts as to why this one is not included?


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Sep 14 - 09:46 AM

Have we heard it yet for Rosie Anderson?

One of the most amazing of survivals: a local song about a local scandal, concerning adultery by the wife of the Provost of Perth in the last decade of C18, passed so firmly into tradition for some reason [perhaps its beautiful tune?], that it was included in Logan's "The Pedlar's Pack" collection of 1868; and Gavin Greig found it still being in oral tradition sung well into the second decade of C20.

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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Lighter
Date: 12 Sep 14 - 08:34 AM

Here, at p. 464:

https://archive.org/stream/johnsonsuniversa01adam#page/466/mode/2up/search/ballad+poetry

Child seems to have written the article as early as 1874, which would be about midway between his two collections. There were six later editions of the Cyclopaedia through 1897, but this isn't the sort of article likely to have been revised.

You may enjoy this as well:

auspace.athabascau.ca:8080/bitstream/.../david_gregory_fsac09short.doc


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 12 Sep 14 - 06:15 AM

Is that article available on line anywhere?


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 11 Sep 14 - 07:33 PM

Though Child did not live to write his full evaluation of balladry, he did contribute a long and significant article to the 8-volume Johnson's Universal Cyclopaedia in 1893.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 11 Sep 14 - 05:04 PM

> Pretty Polly still seems to me to be related in the theme of the lover who lures the woman away, meaning to murder her. <

Both those (families of) ballads have that theme, but I see minimal resemblance otherwise and many major differences, including the crucial difference that in one the girl is murdered and in the other she outwits the villain.

But anyway this was thread drift away from the listing of ballads missing from Child and discussion of why they are missing.

One, not mentioned so far, that seems to me a more deserving candidate than some of those that he did include is The Three Butchers, Roud 17. Printed versions go back to the 1600s and collected versions vary considerably in wording and tune, though with the plot remaining consistent. So it is certainly old and it was certainly popular.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Sep 14 - 04:14 PM

Richard -- Re Child #4. Lady Isabel & the Elf Knight, aka The Outlandish Knight

--'The lady of the title is named variously as "Lady Isabel", "the King's daughter" "May Collin", "May Colven", "pretty Polly", or not named at all. Variants of the song usually imply that she is rich and beautiful. The knight is, in some versions, a normal, but villainous, mortal man, but in others he is an "elf knight".' Wikipedia--

"Pretty Polly", whose lover rides off with her & tells her that he "dug on her grave the best part of last night", is surely related, Richard - as the inclusion of the name above suggests was agreed by the writer of the Wiki article. "Lady Isabel", Child #4, has indeed its own entry at Roud 21; but Pretty Polly still seems to me to be related in the theme of the lover who lures the woman away, meaning to murder her.

Here is the entry in Roud's index:-

--15 "The Cruel Ship's Carpenter" ("The Gosport Tragedy"; "Pretty Polly") (Laws P36A/B)--

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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 11 Sep 14 - 04:04 PM

'Pretty Polly' is used as title for versions of at least a score of different ballads, particularly in the States.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 11 Sep 14 - 03:52 PM

> Richard Mellish -- Yes; so I said in the next but 2 post, 10 Sep, 1208 pm.

You did indeed mention the name "Pretty Polly", but applying to a ballad related to Child 4. I can't see any connection between that and Roud 15.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Sep 14 - 03:38 PM

Richard Mellish -- Yes; so I said in the next but 2 post, 10 Sep, 1208 pm.

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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 11 Sep 14 - 03:32 PM

And yet, Richard, he did include some as examples of the genre, Keach i' the Creel, Get up and bar the door etc. Also there are many Child Ballads that have no provenance earlier than the 18thc, some even that only date from the 1820s.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 11 Sep 14 - 03:18 PM

(Thread drift warning)
MGM·Lion 10 Sep 14 - 11:54 AM said
> Cruel Ship's Carpenter is a version of The Demon Lover -- Child #243. Aka The House Carpenter. <

Some versions of 243 might perhaps carry the name "Cruel Ship's Carpenter", but that name primarily applies to the ballad otherwise known as "Pretty Polly" or "The Gosport Tragedy", Roud 15. See also Paul Slade's article.

Back on topic: it's clear that Child was unsure about what to include and what to exclude, and that his thinking evolved over the years. He certainly did include some very dodgy specimens but this thread has identified only a handful of really old ones that we could reasonably expect him to have been included if he had known of them. Obviously he excluded umpteen 18th and 19th century broadsides that probably didn't go back any earlier and therefore were outside his criteria.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Sep 14 - 08:47 AM

How about 'Lord Soulis'... it appears in Scott's Minstrelsy but not in Child and, according to one person to whom I have spoken, was possibly in the repertoire of the Borders singer Willie Scott.

Maybe Willie Scott could have got away with it if he was singing in a pub where all the roads out were blocked by a blizzard. That one fails just about all of Child's criteria for inclusion. (If Stephen King had edited the Child collection I'm sure it would be in there).


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Lighter
Date: 11 Sep 14 - 08:32 AM

Yes, Fred, we agree, though I'd rephrase to say that a "ballad" is definable to the point of being a useful category, but which songs qualify will often be debatable. A "wolf dog" (I've seen them) is half and half, neither nor. Breeders don't fret about the label because it's not important. Knowing that "wolves" and "dogs" exist, however, and that there's a difference, is extremely important.

The sentence about tyranny was addressed not to you, but to an earlier statement that "Child has a lot to answer for" - unless that post was intended as irony. I've re-read it and confess I'm no longer certain.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 11 Sep 14 - 05:37 AM

Lighter. Most of what you've written here endorses my argument that the ballad is undefinable; that the 305 Child ballads are in Child by his arbitrary decision alone; and that after all this time, the best thing we can do is to simply to accept what is in truth a magnificent work of scholarship.

What confuses me is your last sentence. "How is the existence of such a resource is a form of tyranny?"

Where have I ever accused Child of being tyrannical?


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 10 Sep 14 - 06:09 PM

Absolutely Jon. I'm pretty certain from his correspondence that by the last couple of volumes he was losing heart with what he was having to include, but most of us are extremely thankful that he persevered. We didn't get the long-awaited treatise on the popular ballad but he set out by defining clearly what he intended to do, and he stuck faithfully to that project, despite stern criticism from his mentor. In the first half of the project he also didn't hold back on those pieces that he thought had been interfered with by sophisticated hands, again despite opposition from Grundtvig.


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Subject: RE: Ballads not included in Child
From: Lighter
Date: 10 Sep 14 - 05:34 PM

> It seems a pity that he was not more willing to follow the advice of his lamented friend Grundtvig and give more of them the benefit of the doubt.

He'd already given quite a few that benefit, and no matter how many he admitted, there'd always be others deserving (perhaps) the benefit of the doubt.

Few people seem to appreciate the (maybe literally) killing labor that Child's magnum opus required. To ask for more is ungrateful and unrealistic and, in a way, just plain selfish.


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