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Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately

Lonesome EJ 15 Nov 99 - 03:25 PM
Mary in Kentucky 15 Nov 99 - 10:55 AM
Art Thieme 15 Nov 99 - 10:42 AM
catspaw49 15 Nov 99 - 09:38 AM
katlaughing 15 Nov 99 - 09:22 AM
catspaw49 15 Nov 99 - 07:42 AM
Rick Fielding 15 Nov 99 - 02:31 AM
Metchosin 15 Nov 99 - 01:21 AM
JedMarum 15 Nov 99 - 12:54 AM
Charlie Baum 15 Nov 99 - 12:24 AM
Metchosin 14 Nov 99 - 11:51 PM
Bill D 14 Nov 99 - 11:46 PM
Barry Finn 14 Nov 99 - 11:08 PM
SeanM 14 Nov 99 - 10:49 PM
Little Neophyte 14 Nov 99 - 10:30 PM
Jeri 14 Nov 99 - 10:20 PM
catspaw49 14 Nov 99 - 09:58 PM
Little Neophyte 14 Nov 99 - 09:42 PM
kendall 14 Nov 99 - 09:34 PM
annamill 14 Nov 99 - 09:09 PM
catspaw49 14 Nov 99 - 08:57 PM
Bruce O. 14 Nov 99 - 08:57 PM
McGrath of Harlow 14 Nov 99 - 08:26 PM
kendall 14 Nov 99 - 07:03 PM
Rick Fielding 14 Nov 99 - 06:19 PM
Peter T. 14 Nov 99 - 05:53 PM
Little Neophyte 14 Nov 99 - 04:58 PM
Bill D 14 Nov 99 - 04:28 PM
Mudjack 14 Nov 99 - 04:26 PM
katlaughing 14 Nov 99 - 04:08 PM
Chet W. 14 Nov 99 - 04:00 PM
Art Thieme 14 Nov 99 - 03:53 PM
MandolinPaul 14 Nov 99 - 03:50 PM
Bruce O. 14 Nov 99 - 03:43 PM
katlaughing 14 Nov 99 - 03:36 PM
wildlone 14 Nov 99 - 03:08 PM
Peter T. 14 Nov 99 - 02:57 PM
Rick Fielding 14 Nov 99 - 02:49 PM
MandolinPaul 14 Nov 99 - 02:40 PM
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Áine 14 Nov 99 - 02:28 PM
Lesley N. 14 Nov 99 - 02:26 PM
MandolinPaul 14 Nov 99 - 02:25 PM
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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 15 Nov 99 - 03:25 PM

Art, you have a lot of friends here, and your 2 cents is always appreciated, even when you are stirring up controversy, ya Trouble-Maker.


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 15 Nov 99 - 10:55 AM

Hi annap,

I too fell in love with Bonny Portmore.

For info, look here.

For Barry Taylor's midi, look here.

Mary


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Art Thieme
Date: 15 Nov 99 - 10:42 AM

I'm not going anywhere folks. What, mee leave !! I like to add the songs I've found to Mudcat whenever anyone might be looking for something I've found over the years. I just know what I prefer. That's all. We, from the '60s, always thought if we could only write the perfect protest song, everyone would hear it, see the wisdom of it, heed it and change their ways. Hate, bias, racism, war, pollution, the cutting down of trees (and people), nuclear bombs, people stepping on ants and other animals, the sadness of people daring to eat meat-----we were cartain all of it would then disappear from the face of the earth. (We also figured, as Lenny B. used to say, that "marijuana will be legal in the future because all the lawyers I know smoke it!") If we've learned anything it's that this old world and it's intitutions are not as maleable as we once thought they were when we were barely haired out.

But this is a valid and a good discussion. It's what I wanted to provoke. Lately though, I just don't physically have the strength to be on the Internet as long as I might want. Wading through the stuff has got me maybe looking at only the last day of posts and then logging off. Finding less stuff I care about here latly has allowed me the freedom to read more books and tape a movie before I collapse for the day. So keep right on talkin' happiness and favorite insults and bar blather. I'll be lookin' in. It's my way of keeping my hands in the music.

With admiration and affection,

Art


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Nov 99 - 09:38 AM

Come to think of it though...........Let's not get too carried away. After all, it is Bill, yuh know? For all I know, Rita wrote it for him. He used words like "uncommon resiliance" and "multiple, parallel venues.".........Sounds a bit fishy to me..............

And I just noticed.......If a "venue" is a place, wouldn't an "avenue" be not a place or no place? If you took an avenue to a venue would you be going from no place to some place? And when or if you arrive, are you greeted by a Lithuanian pants presser named Skeezix?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Nov 99 - 09:22 AM

Well alright then! It's a GO! Goodonya, Bill!


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Nov 99 - 07:42 AM

I agree Rick...Well stroked Wild Bill. And also good and "telling" posts from Liam and Mets.......Both are relative newbies but have fit right in and shown excellent musical stuff along with the BS. And listening to them tells me that the place is alive and well.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 15 Nov 99 - 02:31 AM

Thank you Bill. Wonderful post.
Rick


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Metchosin
Date: 15 Nov 99 - 01:21 AM

Me too. I came here a couple of weeks ago, first to the DT, to find info on some folk song lyrics and possible origins and hung out, reading the threads so I could understand how to post my query. I got so caught up in the enjoyable B.S. and the eductional value of the Mudcat that I almost forgot to post my original question. Everbody has been extremely kind and patient while I have blundered around here for the last while, trying out my first time on an interactive website, and I have learned almost as much on the BS threads as I have on the more serious ones.


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: JedMarum
Date: 15 Nov 99 - 12:54 AM

As a relative newcomer (FNG) here, I have found at the Mudcat wonderful commentary on many of the old folk songs I have loved for years, if not in current threads, then in the older threads. Several times during new discussions us FNGs have been directed to old threads on music (Shenendoah had several old, and valuable threads).

I have long used the database, and recently, since joining discussions here I have found many delightful points-of-view, and humorous banter on music, instruments, equipment and general BS.

Maybe the best folkies don't have any interest in our discussions, but I have certainly enjoyed both the people and the information here. I expect to continue enjoying Mudcat for a long time.


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 15 Nov 99 - 12:24 AM

McGrath--one of the things that keeps behavior civil here is that many of us know at least a few other Mudcatters in real life. And we stand a real chance of bumping into a new Mudcatter we haven't yet met when we attend any real-life folk event. So we need to stay friendly, because we're all going to have join in on the choruses in real life.

--Charlie Baum


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Metchosin
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 11:51 PM

Can't bring myself to read all the postings, so maybe this has been mentioned, but maybe the BS and silliness goes up when there has been a lot of stress and tension and you need a steam vent.


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 11:46 PM

About the issue of 'famous' people coming here, staying awhile..then leaving, either openly or quietly.

In many ways this place is like a big folk weekend..(like the recent Getaway)--(most of you have attended something similar- from a one evening sing to a week-long social/musical/study session)....and you must have noticed the complex dynamics as groups formed, songs were sung, themes altered, new people come in, etc..

....Perhaps you have BEEN one of those who sang for awhile, then decided that the session was NOT going in a way that felt good--either you thought the topics and 'flow' were wrong, or you thought a few folk were hogging the limelight, or, perhaps YOU were one who 'needed' center stage and weren't getting it enough.(naawww...none of THOSE here).....in any case, groups formed, changed, broke up...and re-formed elsewhere.."..hey, Joe, several of us are going over to Sam's cabin and jam..it'll be...umm...more relaxed there.."....

Except...here, if someone doesn't like the mood, flow, topics, balance, etc., they can't just 'move' a bit...To this end, there HAVE been a few suggestions that we have multiple, parallel venues..(music, BS, political...whatever)...There is simply NO easy cure for all this, as we are VERY different people, with different value systems and pain thresholds..(perhaps comfort levels is a better term)*grin*...gargoyle is constantly decrying the loss of the 'old ways'...others are constantly defending the sense of 'community' and such that the BS threads and 'thread creep' bring..for them....

I, for one, am simple amazed that it goes as well as it does, given the diversity here!. Yet, I am NOT surprised, either, having met Max this year and having known Dick Greenhaus for years. They show an uncommon resiliance and tolerance for diversity and seldom stir the soup much....Dick fills the database with stuff for everyone, and Max makes new and better toys for us to play with....and LOOK at us!..sort of like American democracy...except with Australian and British and Icelandic...etc. thrown in...and even with all the amazing things in these societies, there will be those who choose to opt out and go live in the woods..or the outback,,or whatever,...or just lurk..(don't you KNOW shambles is reading some of this!) simply because they do NOT 'work well with others' or can't abide arguments or get overwhelmed by TOO MUCH INPUT!!..........

My friends, we can argue till we are blue in the face, but all we can really do is **KEEP ON KEEPING ON**....Max says he wants an open site full of diversity, and gg wrings his hands and grumps....and Shambles left because...well, he was Shambles and it upset him to be here...(those who have been here awhile know how I used to rant about content!)..

There are things which are simply so good, that even when they are at their worst, they are tolerable.(like sex, or Pecan Pie....(make your OWN list!)...but I put Mudcat on mine.

(probably the longest post I'll make this millenium)


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Barry Finn
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 11:08 PM

Hi annap, try in the DT search Bonny Portmore (maybe Bonnie?).
Hi Bruce & Art, I gotta go along with you as far as there probably is to much BS for some to wade through the rest & yes, I don't see many, hardly any (I lurk there) coming here from the music subscribers, though they may lurk (Dick & yourself aside), definitley to much BS I'd say. This has been (not enough music) rehashed over, though not for some time now. Last time I think we lost Elsie (though it may have been over posting to & asking about pop, rock & other non folk & she always was sure that if you feed stay cats they'll keep coming back) whose posts were very insightful & enjoyable. My own preference would be more meat & less fluff but I find myself enjoying the fluff (when the meat is rare) sometimes rather than shouting "where's the beef". And when I tire of the less filling I guess I just cruise the other places & end up back here within the hour. Now that we're all back to an even keel & we've all kissed & made up maybe we can get back to the party at hand. Barry


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: SeanM
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 10:49 PM

Hey 'Spaw!!! Those wings sound fantastic! Any chance I could convince you to send the recipe? Habanero ahoy!

In an attempt to keep this somewhat on topic...

I've experienced a bit of the same feeling that I hear a lot of people voicing. Some times, I feel that the BS is the death of this site, sometimes the life. The total sum of my experience all seems to end up with "read what you want, ignore what you want". I may miss some awesome discussions, I may inadvertently derail others, but I'll also hopefully catch some of the best internet musical discussions that I've ever seen, as well as some of the funniest and most intellectually stimulating chat.

All in all, I don't think I'd like to see anyone here leave. Everyone has something to contribute, and everyone has their own specialty. To lose one voice is to lose that piece of the 'Cat... and that's a tragedy all of its own.

M


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 10:30 PM

Catspaw you have robbed me of the image I had of meeting you. Embracing your warm loving nature has been replaced with being pawed by a middle aged appetite.
Little Neo


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 10:20 PM

Annap, I think (from hearing other discussions on the movie and the song) the song is "BONNY PORTMORE" and the singer is Loreena McKinnit. (I've probably misspelled her name.) Check here, although there's a mistake in the beginning of the MIDI.


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 09:58 PM

I'm sorry Kendall.....I have never had a sense of humor and I fear its too late for me to acquire one now. Do you have any thoughts on where I might go to have one installed? I have found a couple of websites like the one at www.hodihodiho.yuks, but the prices they want are exhorbitant. Alternately, I tried www.hidihidiho.yuks, but this one turned out to be the homepage of a Cab Calloway impersonator with terminal flatulence and a severe stutter. I have met some funny folks here, but they are mainly funny in a psychopathic way and are being treated at the "Neil Young Center for the Terminally Screwed." So I'm left with no way to gain a sense of humor and have decided to opt for a sense touch instead. I plan on feeling all of our female 'Catters first chance I get.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 09:42 PM

I'm not sure if it is the lack of humor Kendall. Take a bunch of people, show them the same posting and you will get a bunch of different reactions.

Little Neo


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: kendall
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 09:34 PM

One of the sad things I have noticed here is the lack of a sense of humor in some members.


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: annamill
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 09:09 PM

HEY! What's all this poop, Guys?? Art, I understand what you're saying. My time is sparse and I avoid the obvious silly BS threads now. I didn't when I had more time, but things have changed....and not just for me. Since I joined in May, the one thing I've noticed is the winds of change here at my virtual home. Sometime it's up, sometimes it's down. I tend to totally agree with bbc. I'm in for the haul too. I haven't been able to contribute a lot to the folk/blues threads, but I always read them. I enjoy some of the BS threads and I've been a major contributor myself.

Art, we desperately need you. Don't goway please? You're one of the people that can keep us who we are. I've come to love your wonderful self and would miss your writings terribly. You'd miss us too, you know!

NON BS: Glenn and I were watching a movie last night called Highlander: The Final Demension. A song was played that we played over and over. I have a tape of my favorite movie songs and I recorded this beautiful piece of Irish (I think) music by a woman with such a beautiful voice. The song was "Bonny P... ammora? or something like that". Does anyone know the voice, or the song?? I want to buy her albums and hear more.

We periodically go silly. Don't worry we'll be back.

Love, annap


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 08:57 PM

I dunno...Made "Buffalo Wings" the other night with a wonderfully fiery Habanero/Tabasco sauce....Didn't use wings though, used boneless breast cut in strips, kinda' "Buffalo Boobs" I guess. Tell ya what McGrath, those breasts had a "BITE"...if not on the way in, certainly on the way out. I also do not believe that music would help in this case.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Bruce O.
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 08:57 PM

It would take an unprecedented level of stupidity on the part anyone to claim that they knew it all when it comes to folksongs and music. The study of folk tunes has barely started.


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 08:26 PM

Strikes me, after a few weeks visiting regularly, this is a strangely goodnatured sort of place.

Someone says something mildly cross and they get told off , and then whoever told them off gets told off, and the they apologise, and whoever told them off apologises for telling them off. And so forth.

I'm not complaining about it, or suggesting it's not sincere or anything. But I'm wondering how come (touch wood), the real nasty bastards never seem to turn up and start wrecking the joint.

I mean even gargoyle never gets more than moderately sneery and sarcastic, and that seems to count as being a heavy villain round here.

"Music has charms to soothe a savage beast" (Congreve) - must be the reason. (Yea, I know the standard text is "savage breast", but I've never been bitten by a savage breast yet.)


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: kendall
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 07:03 PM

All I can say is, Those people who think they know it all, are really annoying those of us who do. subtlehinttolightenup.


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 06:19 PM

Dear Bruce. My apologies for losing my temper. (especially after saying earlier "Mudcat ain't real life..it's a HOBBY folks"). My reaction was strictly connected to part of your earlier post. You said:

"The trouble with Bugsy's suggestion is that many of the people who leave are the ones who have something worthwhile to contribute to the subject of songs, music and instruments, and one gets left with the blind leading the blind (in every possible direction except relevant ones")

I find it unfortunate as well when a serious (or even humourous) discussion on a worthwhile topic (which I think this is), gets interrupted with back and forth comments that have nothing to do with the subject. However the "blind leading the blind" comment was NOT about one thread..it sure seemed pretty general to me..and hurtful. If indeed a number of "serious", and I'm not sure if that means "famous" folks have left, it must have been before I got here this year, so when did Mudcat start becoming too inclusive for them? Perhaps I'll get Peter Ts take on it this week since he's been in from the beginning.
I think I just have too much of that "Pete Seeger inclusiveness" in me. Remember the great quote "Pete taught the world to sing...and we'll never forgive him!!" I know on occasion I suffer in private at the tedium of watching egotistical and unskilled singer-songwriters blathering on, but I've also been around far too many incredibly sincere, but equally egotistical ballad singers so steeped in the tradition and secure in their little group, that I doubt if self-criticism is even a tiny part of their make-up. We have some wonderful ballad singers on this side of the pond, but oh my, the attitude of some of those who feel they are, is powerful.

Ahh heck, who cares? It's still a ton of fun. And I DO apologise for being snarky.

Rick (definitely now one of the infamous "Gang of Twelve")


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Peter T.
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 05:53 PM

what the hell --

(Linus and Charlie Brown sitting on the curb. Linus is eating a hotdog)
CHARLIE BROWN: How is that hot dog, Linus?
LINUS: It is O.K. It is just lacking something.
CHARLIE BROWN: What, mustard, relish?
LINUS: You know, Charlie Brown, what this hot dog needs is a baseball game around it.

I use this in my environmental studies classes.

yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 04:58 PM

Ohhhhhhhh Bruce
The way you put it, I feel like I have to always be dressed for a formal dinner party because famous people might show up when in fact I would prefer to wear my overalls and share a potluck with friends.

Little Neo


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 04:28 PM

Peter...my head is reeling with 4-5 Peanuts cartoons from earlier years that could be quoted here..*big grin*..(I had forgotten that one!)

one old favorite...

LUCY..(talking to Charlie Brown outside).."Charlie Brown, isn't it strange how the edges of the sidewalk just get closer and closer together way down there, until they run right into each other?"

CHARLIE B.."Lucy, the sidewalk doesn't really get narrower down there, it is just an optical illusion that makes it LOOK like it...it's called 'perspective'"

LUCY..stands and stares down the street, then turns to C.B.

LUCY.."Charlie Brown, why do you always wear that stupid shirt with the funny stripe on it?"


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Mudjack
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 04:26 PM

Well Art, it looks like you stirred up some interesting thoughts about the BS at Mudcat. I often go through the same kind of moods or thoughts, but usually try to understand that every thread can't be what I want it to be. I refrain from the Tavern and can't even begin to say why, I guess it's because I don't frequent the places in real life and just avoid the virtual Tavern. I'm probably missing out on something good.
I only mention this hoping you are in a blue mood and will see something there that will capture your attention and you can jump right back in there. I see the MC much like learning songs, By the time I put one to memory from practing over and over, I'm getting tired of it and it loses some of it's excitement. I still like the song, It just seems to lose the excitement I once found in it.Is it possoble you are experiencing the same with the MC/DT? You can't just drop out for lack of bells and whistles.
I probably spend more time on the BS threads than the "music", it's because I can always find the music but I can't always find what some one thinks about regarding the subject of music, or just BS.
Just hang in there partner, we all take our breaks from time to time. The likes of Art Thieme is what makes the MC/DT so great.
Mudjack


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 04:08 PM

Oh, well sure, Paul, if'n ya want a little abuse sans pax, no problem. Anybody figured out how to do an emoticon of the one-fingered salute? Let's see, how about ^^I^^, oh well,stand on yer head and it might work! Use your imagination, you lily-livered, sap-sucking, sarcasm-dripping so and so!

katLAUGHINGforsureandgettingreadytodropaPAXonseveralhouses!


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Chet W.
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 04:00 PM

If any pax gets on my house, I'm suing.

Contentiously, Chet


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Art Thieme
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 03:53 PM

Aye, A PAX on all your houses. **BG**

Art


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: MandolinPaul
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 03:50 PM

Me too Kat! It's hard to hear the sarcasm in my typing, I guess. I've always felt silly typing chat shortforms like LOL, BG, and the sideways little smiley faces, so in the future, please assume sarcasm.

...and please let's not get too polite with each other. I'm not graceful enough to be walking around on my tiptoes all of the time. I find people way easier to like when they piss me off now and then.

BG, LOL, :-}

Paul


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Bruce O.
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 03:43 PM

Rick, I didn't say it was the blind leading the blind yet, merely that it has happened when a subject lost its focus. As for traditional ballad experts, they have their own subscription lists on the web and rarely contribute here, or even bother to look here. Several Mudcatters are on one of them. So are many quite famous professional folksingers and folklorists who have never contributed here, but who have been mentioned here more than once. Look at the intitials of the early contributors to the Mudcat database and see how many you can identify that are still around on the Forum. One rarely hears anything now from Murray on Saltspring, and when it comes to Scots songs there's never been another contributor to this Forum that is as knowledgable on the subject.


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 03:36 PM

Pax, Paul. I was joking in the last post. I thought the *BBBSSSEEEEGGG* would give it all away, so no offense would be taken.

kat


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: wildlone
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 03:08 PM

Is that a CAT under the punchbowl table?
whodidthattherehere


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Peter T.
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 02:57 PM

Favourite Peanuts cartoon (each line is one frame):
LUCY (at window, looking out): "Gee, Linus, it is sure getting dark early these days."
LINUS (nearby, with blanket): "'It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.'"
LUCY (looks out of window, thinks).
LUCY (outside on porch, hand raised in fist): "YOU STUPID DARKNESS!!!!!!"


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 02:49 PM

Yow! Bruce. PLEASE tell me who are the "many" who have left, leaving only we "blind folk". I've heard this kind of thing ad nauseum for six months now. Is it only traditional ballad experts who have disappeared? If so, other than yourself, who? how many? Was that the only raison d'etre for Mudcat? I implied once that your leaving was unfortunate, but unnecessarily brusque. Well excuse me for now being unnecessarily brusque, but Jesus H Keerist! There are quite a number of folks here who know a shit-load about instruments and music, and are happy to give help and feedback..complete with an occasional "please and thank you". I'm not as knowledgable as some about ballads, but by God, I've spent 37 of my 53 years so close to folk music, that although I may be blind in the areas of commerce, I hardly think I lack insight when it comes to music.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: MandolinPaul
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 02:40 PM

Man'o'man.

If I didn't already feel like I had walked on enough thin ice today, I might have typed that last one myself, just to see the reactions.

Paul


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
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Date: 14 Nov 99 - 02:35 PM

I agree with Art and add I was misled about Gargoyle to start but knowing now what Gargolye is like I want to say Hi and I like you Gargoyle :0)

Some people talk about music and some play it. Most of the waffle here is by people who talk/write.

The internet could be a way for some of the people here to get rich and famous however they cannot not make that happen by endlessly writing bullshit to the site! I ignore a lot of posters. Zero information.

News groups are great AGAIN.


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Áine
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 02:28 PM

Kat, Paul S. -- Quit putting your fingers in the punchbowl and flicking stuff in each other's eyes!

Everyone please raise your glasses for a toast:

Sláinte agus beannachtaí orainn go deo!

(Health and blessings on all of us forever!)

Now, let's get back to talking about cat farts *BG*

-- Áine


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Lesley N.
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 02:26 PM

I too am often frustrated by the lack of threads that interest me. My interest is the history around and behind the songs and mythologies that arise about the songs. I've started a few great threads, been invovled in a few and I've started several that died almost immediate deaths... By and large the threads I'm intrested in don't often last very long, but I also often find treasure.

Despite the fact I don't regularly find what I am truly seeking, I stay. I lurk, sometimes a very long time, until I find something of interest or I have a need for information. There are other places for information, but I'm more at home here than in a truly academic environment (like the Ballad Listserv - which features incredible scholars - so I just sit in the corner and listen, as it were).

As gargoyle says, there is no better place for me out there. So I tolerate the BS - even check it out once in a great while (this being an example). The main thing I dislike about the BS threads is that there seems to be a greater incidence of personal attack (this being an absolutely unscientific and unverified opinion). Given the level of intelligence and knowledge of the people involved in the forum it always leaves me a bit sad.

So I'll come and go as often or as little as I find threads of interest - but I'll keep checking things out because the place is to valuable to give up on.


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: MandolinPaul
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 02:25 PM

It wasn't an invitation; it was a warning.

Paul


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 02:23 PM

Oh, sure, Paul, say that the party is over and THEN tell us ta meetcha at the punchbowl! Sure, sure! You just didn't want some of us to know there was a private one going on over there, eh? So what's in that punchbowl anyway??!!***BBBSSSEEEGGG!!!!!

katmilkingitforallit'sworth!


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: MandolinPaul
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 02:17 PM

While I also don't read or contribute to many of the BS threads, I think they do have a place. We meet to discuss music, and sometimes we touch on other subjects. If I had never started any BS, I never would have found the inspiration to write my cult classic The Ballad of Wandering Christie, which came about with Bert's suggestion that my BS would make a good song.

Reading back over this, I feel kind of silly. Basically, what I was trying to state in my first posting was what Aine editted to the much more succinct (and tactful): Is it not better to light a candle than to curse the darkness? Things ended up a little out of proportion.

Paul

PS: I think that we have now thoroughly pounded the piss out of the party analogy. I'll be over at the punchbowl.


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: selby
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 01:49 PM

As Someone who has used the database from very early on but only just joined in the discusions, I think of mudcat as a room full of like minded people generaly chatting sometimes I have to look hard to find things that intrest ME personaly and sometimes they are just there waiting for me. It is my descision what I join in and hopefully people react favouable to what is said. Hang in there the party will like life swing your way, sometimes it is nice to go for a walk down the garden and come back into the party refreshed. Keith


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Bruce O.
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 01:42 PM

The trouble with Bugsy's suggestion is that many of the people who leave are the ones who have something worthwhile to contribute to the subject of songs, music and instruments, and one gets left with the blind leading the blind (in every possible direction except relevant ones).

I've seen one folksong Notes and Queries serial that started out well, then died because it correspondents turned it into a hero-worship column, i.e., who sang what on what recording. That isn't what the editor had aimed for, and he dropped the whole thing, and at the end it wasn't any real loss.


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Pete Peterson
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 12:26 PM

I have hesitated posting here thinking maybe it would be best to let Art be the FIRST and LAST poster on his thread. But, where angels fear to read. . . an organization to which I belong has as one of its mottoes "If you don't want it, you can't have any." I think I judge by title and open up about 1/2 of the BS threads, only open the Lry Req threads if i recognize the song and can add something. . .and, and. . . I guess I am glad that I have the choices and can do my OWN choosing. PETE (who is looking greatly forward to meet some fellow Cattters f2f on 1/14/00!)


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Art Thieme
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 12:10 PM

I probably better go back and re-read my first post to see how I might've provoked all this...

...Very interesting. Actually fantastic. We do bring our own fantasy baggage with us, do we not?

Paul S.---very cute.

Love to all,

Art


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Subject: RE: Nothing Worth Opening Here Lately
From: Áine
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 11:43 AM

I think Jeri has a good idea there about the filter system; however, I think that it should work both ways, to filter IN what you want read and filter OUT what you don't want to read. The only thing I would worry about when using a filter to read these posts is that I would miss the serendipity of the threads. But, some folks don't cater to serendipity, while a lot of us do.

For instance, where else could you find a discussion, to quote paddymac above, 'dealing with the apparently wide-spread problem yet esoteric topic of cat farts' that inspired a song, and provided an explanation of the Book of Isaiah and a quotation of the poem 'Jabberwocky' from Through The Looking Glass?

Long live the BS threads and their ability to inform and inspire us!!


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