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BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman

GUEST,Musket evolving slowly 10 Nov 13 - 03:55 AM
Dave the Gnome 09 Nov 13 - 04:30 PM
Steve Shaw 09 Nov 13 - 12:50 PM
GUEST,Musket getting nostalgic 09 Nov 13 - 02:42 AM
McGrath of Harlow 09 Nov 13 - 01:53 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Nov 13 - 06:51 PM
Steve Shaw 08 Nov 13 - 09:57 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Nov 13 - 07:18 AM
GUEST,Musket between courses 08 Nov 13 - 06:00 AM
McGrath of Harlow 08 Nov 13 - 03:56 AM
GUEST,Iain 08 Nov 13 - 01:29 AM
GUEST,Musket getting nostalgic 08 Nov 13 - 01:16 AM
Steve Shaw 07 Nov 13 - 08:03 PM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Nov 13 - 10:50 AM
GUEST,CS 07 Nov 13 - 10:14 AM
GUEST,Musket getting nostalgic 07 Nov 13 - 10:09 AM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Nov 13 - 08:37 AM
Backwoodsman 30 Oct 13 - 04:03 PM
Edthefolkie 30 Oct 13 - 08:41 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 10 Nov 13 - 03:55 AM

Aye and Chateau de Boddingtons is brewed in Milton Keynes these days. ..

According to the can anyway.

Anyone interested in Paxman? Thought not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 13 - 04:30 PM

Aye, but when you tell 'em they wont believe you. Who'd think it that today we would be sat here drinking Chateau de Chateauley...


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 13 - 12:50 PM

Well my mum was born and bred in Salford, lived in Silk Street and went to Our Lady Of Grace, and me grandad worked in the docks. Gran worked at Halls sweet factory in Whitefield. I think there's a Morrisons there now. I lived in Radcliffe and went to school in Bolton (they made me go there cos it was a Catholic one!)

See, we 'ad it tough...


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: GUEST,Musket getting nostalgic
Date: 09 Nov 13 - 02:42 AM

Aye Dave. I come from The People's Republic of Bolsover and can empathise with your Salford views. I don't know about now but 10 years ago the average age of councillor was 69. All were labour and with two independents, one of whom resigned from the torys in order to stand. Where I live now they yo yo a bit but in the wonderful words of Spike Milligan "Excuse the mess, we have the conservatives in. "

I should keep my trap shut. Our MEP is that Godfrey Bloom idiot. ....


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Nov 13 - 01:53 AM

Power corrupts, but so does impotence. The ability of local councils to actually do anything, rather than act as agents for central government, has been so reduced and circumscribed, with all parties colluding in this, that it's virtually impossible in many cases to get decent and competent councillors.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 06:51 PM

I live in a place where a socialist getting voted in is about as likely as me getting a date with Rhihanna

Interestingly (or maybe not) enough, Steve, I have not long since moved from Salford where, it is said, if you put a red rosette on a pig it would get elected. Sadly, even though I tend to lean to the left in politics, this made the local council amongst the most corrupt I have ever come across. As they say, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I am more than interested to see how my new local council (Craven) compare. Up to now they seem pretty efficient but, compared to Salford, a bowl of spaghetti would look organised.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 09:57 AM

Interesting that both the interviewer and interviewed have both stated that they do not vote.

Er, that is not quite true. Paxman said that he did not vote on one occasion and he felt very uncomfortable about it. He said that if you don't vote, even by at least writing "none of the above" on the ballot paper, you forfeit the right to have any say about things. I agree with that and I always vote, even though I'm usually looking for the least bad option. People died fighting for the right to vote. If there's a democratic deficit (a point which I agreed with Brand about), then we won't fight that by refusing to vote. Look how the hypocritical hawks gleefully descend whenever a union votes to strike on a low turnout. I live in a place where a socialist getting voted in is about as likely as me getting a date with Rhihanna. But I'll still be voting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 07:18 AM

Hmmm. Just come back to this thread after a couple of weeks. Didn't realise my comment about Andrew Sachs would cause such consternation. For the record, I mentioned him and his granddaughter in response to the comment "No-one was harmed". If you believe revealing the details of private sex lives to the grandparent of one party, in public, is not harmful, then I agree. It did no harm. If, however, you believe that public embarrassment of this type can be harmful to the recipient of the 'joke' then, sorry, it did harm someone. Up to yourselves of course.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: GUEST,Musket between courses
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 06:00 AM

Yeah but he has a nerve saying anything in essence. Doesn't make it less of a valid point. The good people of Sheffield shall decide if he needs a nerve or not at the next election.

In a more general sense, if you don't exercise your vote you have a nerve moaning. You deserve the government you get.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 03:56 AM

Nick Clegg has a bit of a nerve complaining about people thinking politicians like him are liars who break their word without hesitation. He's done more to make people believe that than perhaps anyone else.

The thing about the tuition fees u-turn was that it wasn't a matter of a manifesto pledge being broken - they are always provisional aspirations. It was a personal individual promise cynically torn up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: GUEST,Iain
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 01:29 AM

Interesting that both the interviewer and interviewed have both stated that they do not vote.
Could it be that they realise that all politicians are puppets and the puppet masters place them in front of the electorate for selection.
Essentially it does not matter who you vote for, the agenda is already in place no matter what side of the spectrun is elected. A vote today is an exercise in futility as it achieves zilch. So long as the electorate are anaethesised with cheap lager and soaps nothing will change.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: GUEST,Musket getting nostalgic
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 01:16 AM

They could have had more fun with the anagram at the beginning of each episode than they did. I only seem to recall flowery twats and watery farts.

Regarding the original topic, I notice Paxman is now agreeing with the broad thrust of Brand's argument.

Not often I agree with Nick Clegg but he was right to say that if Paxman is so bored with politics, why does he accept a million pounds a year plus of public money to trivialise and ridicule it?

I don't know which face Clegg was wearing but he should put it on more often.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 08:03 PM

Well I suppose that Russell has at least started something. Discuss...


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 10:50 AM

I suppose that's one kind of nostalgia...


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 10:14 AM

Do you really have to share with us the current state of your bowels?
I'm pretty sure I speak for everyone when I say that it's not welcome information.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: GUEST,Musket getting nostalgic
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 10:09 AM

Watery farts


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 08:37 AM

Trivial enough pedantic point: It is repeatedly said Manuel comes from Barcelona. People from Barcelona are likely to tell you they are not "Spanish", they are Catalan.

The stuff with Jonathan Ross and Andrew Sachs was stupid and unpleasant and cruel, but it's over and done and it can't be undone. Everybody does stupid stuff, and often enough unpleasant and cruel stuff. It doesn't define us for life and mean we're rubbish.

Russell Brand is quite remarkably articulate, both when speaking live and writing. In among the fireworks there's a lot of sense, well disguised much of the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Oct 13 - 04:03 PM

HERE is an intelligent response to Brand's performance, by a fellow comedian who actually understands the dangers of celebrities, who are idolised by a great many impressionable young people, calling for 'Revolution' and urging their young followers to disengage from the political process.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Edthefolkie
Date: 30 Oct 13 - 08:41 AM

I watched the Paxo-Brand "conversation" for approx. 5 min and gave up.

Russell may think he has a facility with words, (or maybe it's just logorrhoea) but I don't think he'll write a successor to The Pilgrims's Progress just yet. I can't quite see him storming the barricades any time soon either.

"Will you stop talking about the war?"
"Me! You started it..."
"We did NOT start it."
"Yes you did — you invaded Poland!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Oct 13 - 07:02 AM

"I'm a doctor and I want my sausages."


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Oct 13 - 02:49 AM

'Flowery Twats'! Excellent!


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Will Fly
Date: 29 Oct 13 - 06:44 PM

"Hor d'oeuvres - hor d'oeuvres which must be obeyed at all times!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: GUEST,Musket curious
Date: 29 Oct 13 - 03:04 PM

So the Manuel character was racist? I know there has been some hot air on this thread but that is the most pathetic balls yet. I wish people would use the built in dictionary computers provide before using words normally said by grown ups. It isn't hard.

As we seem to be getting nostalgic for the series, my favourite was "you have rats in Spain don't you? Or did Franco have them all shot? "


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Stringsinger
Date: 29 Oct 13 - 03:01 PM

"Brand is a bullying cunt. He should be exterminated."

Au contraire! It is Paxman with his sneer that is the bully. Brand is lucid
and he is right. The present political system is unsustainable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 29 Oct 13 - 11:02 AM

Oops, Forgot!    Theatre too!

Fawlty Towers was twenty five years after the start of that career.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 29 Oct 13 - 10:58 AM

""Hmm when Andrew Sachs apologises to Spanish people for forging his entire career on a racist parody, then maybe I'll take any offence the phone stunt may have caused him more seriously.""

A whole career C.S.?

Twelve episodes in two series of six hardly amounts to anything approaching a career.

It is a tiny part of his 54 years as an actor on Radio, TV and Film.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Oct 13 - 07:56 AM

Can't argue there, Musket.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Oct 13 - 07:31 AM

Thank for the Capital Letters, Lizzie, just like them thar Christians do with Jesus's He, Him and His. It's good that you recognise a Messiah when you see one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: GUEST,Musket thirsty
Date: 29 Oct 13 - 06:22 AM

You know, even serious politicians require people to be impressionable. Me? I reckon it is bravery of the first order to class menopausal women as an identifiable group. I still have two scars on my right arm and half a T shirt to prove it.

Politics has become less substantial, I agree. Mind you, Brand said just that, not that it is rocket science. To a young person, what precisely is the difference between the two parties? And to us who used to tell a difference, are we deluding ourselves?

Brand pointed out an issue and because of who he is, people who would never listen to boring old farts like us heard it. Methinks we are confusing the message with the medium?


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Oct 13 - 05:31 AM

Oops! Just noticed I said much of that in an earlier post! Oh well, a bit of realism and common sense is always worth repeating.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Oct 13 - 05:20 AM

"Sorry Backwoodsman, I ran out of popcorn."

Hope it was good? But you just forfeited the beer I was going to supply at the next EFC night! :-)

My views on Brand as a human being are well documented and need no further comment but, notwithstanding those views, I found nothing new in what he said in the Paxman interview, it was naive, simplistic, rambling, and it was the kind of childish, unrealistic stuff that, as Lower-6th 16-year-olds, my mates and I used to babble on about in the Common-Room - prattling on about 'revolution' without ever knowing exactly how to bring it about and what a very dirty, unpleasant, and for some (many even), fatal, business that would be. Other than the airy-fairy 'revolution' suggestion and the exhortation to withhold votes, he proposed not one real solution.

If he'd been on 'Bake-Off', he'd have been knocked down by Paul Hollywood as being 'All Style and No Substance', someone to be admired, even lusted over (although, in my wife's words, "Dog knows why!") by impressionable kids and menopausal women, but not to be taken seriously as any kind of political force.

For Dog's sake, 99% of the population of the UK know precisely what the problems faced by the UK are, and they know why. What they need are strong leaders with strong and realistic solutions, not celebrity air-heads who actually know no more than the rest of us do, but for whom the oxygen of publicity is a guarantee of the continuation of their obscenely lucrative professional lives.

The Messiah, come to redeem us all, he is not.

IMHO, YMMV, that's fine, it's your right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 29 Oct 13 - 04:13 AM

It must be terrible to wake up each morning knowing that you're going to be, yet again, a Patronizing Prat, Steve.

You have my sympathy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 29 Oct 13 - 03:01 AM

"Everybody has talents and can make a contribution to society" Yeah, some of them can make nice soufflés.....

Back to the thread. . I know now why I find the comments so funny. Some of the posts remind me of the Harry Enfield and Paul Whitehouse Self Righteous Brothers series of sketches.   

If that Russell Brand was to walk in here with his goth seeking willy and critical views on the state of society and what it has to offer young voters I'd say "Oy Brand No! "

Sorry Backwoodsman, I ran out of popcorn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Oct 13 - 08:53 PM

I just checked. It's way over 12 million. And that makes 24.5 times for me. Damn this research bug of mine. They've shortened the bloody video, btw. Damn! Will it change the world, Lizzie?


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Oct 13 - 08:45 PM

And THAT is the power of Facebook and the internet to change this world right around...Over 7 MILLION viewings on the Paxman interview now...and RISING!

Yebbut how many people viewed the girl with the yummy squidgy bum in really skimpy knickers doing the hula-hoop to Wii (blimey, I might just have given her another million hits...) Mmmm! Naturally, I saw it about 23.5 times missen, as I had to in the interests of "research". Fing is, Lizzie, Facebook will be dead in a few years, cos it's a bit sick really, innit. And YouTube will thrive, of course, but as a distraction from life's vicissitudes, not as a game-changer. What I'm trying to say to you, gently (as ever with me) is, Lizzie, get real ferchrissake! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Oct 13 - 08:33 PM

Jesus H Christ!! It is not the bloody "government" that is the problem, just look what happened under Blair's New Labour.


And how's about a Dept of Clichés, just for you?


No matter who you vote for the system always wins


we need to start changing minds not governments


We need a government, a proper one which governs in the interests of its people.


A Dept of Worth to instil some sense of personal and public responsibility and worth in every citizen, not to deal with generations of hopeless, worthless young people.


life is not all about the acquisition of money


every human being has talents and can make a contribution to a better society.

Mighty oaks from tiny acorns...


Got any more? I love your clichés, though I usually try to avoid such things...like the plague...


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Oct 13 - 07:30 PM

New Video:

Russell Brand's Spiritual Revolution

Heading up towards 300 shares on my Support Chief Raoni page...

And..this morning, one of my Native American friends (Navajo) messaged me to ask if I'd heard of this man (Russell Brand) as he had just been blown away by Russell's interview with Paxman...

And THAT is the power of Facebook and the internet to change this world right around...Over 7 MILLION viewings on the Paxman interview now...and RISING!


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Oct 13 - 06:24 PM

"Russell Brand is one of the most intelligent people in this country"

Okay, but what does that show?

Jimmy Savile was a member of Mensa. High intelligence does not necessarily equate with being a 'good' person.



Oh dear, I've just realised that in time mentioning Jimmy Savile will become the equivalent of "playing the Hitler card" in a discussion. Never mind, such ploys must start somewhere :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: melodeonboy
Date: 28 Oct 13 - 06:12 PM

"Russell Brand is one of the most intelligent people in this country"

God help us!


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Oct 13 - 05:56 PM

"if everybody refused to vote it becomes not apathy but a massive statement against the government,"

Jesus H Christ!! It is not the bloody "government" that is the problem, just look what happened under Blair's New Labour.

No matter who you vote for the system always wins, no point in continuing with the game of musical chairs....we need to start changing minds not governments
We need a government, a proper one which governs in the interests of its people.
What about a Dept of Self Sufficiency to deal with all the waste created by our consumer society?
A Dept of Worth to instil some sense of personal and public responsibility and worth in every citizen, not to deal with generations of hopeless, worthless young people.
An education programme to teach our young folks that life is not all about the acquisition of money...that every human being has talents and can make a contribution to a better society.

Mighty oaks from tiny acorns and all that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Oct 13 - 05:24 PM

Are you his uncle, then?


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Oct 13 - 05:19 PM

I echo SRS. Good call, Dick.

For those that do not know of Brand, search him out on the internUt. He is beyond articulate, funny, provocative. Few equal. This is one of those people who should be heard by all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Oct 13 - 11:43 AM

Good close reading of the interview, Dick!

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Oct 13 - 07:56 AM

I have never heard of russell brand before this interview, so i listened and made a judgement on what he was saying without any prejudice, much of what he said i agreed with, i can make no comment about his motives, i can only comment that he said a lot of things i agreed with.
i have always voted, but i understand his point about not voting,if everybody refused to vote it becomes not apathy but a massive statement against the government, it is a point that cannot be dismissed easily. brand dealt with all paxmans attempts to trip him up, and came across very well


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Oct 13 - 07:48 AM

Salted for me! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 28 Oct 13 - 06:17 AM

Amen to that.

If you look closely there is a great meeting of minds taking place right now just above this chat. I'll get the popcorn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Oct 13 - 05:23 AM

Musket, I may have drawn a wrong conclusion about precisely whom your previous post was targeted at (in all honesty, I don't think I am mistaken, and I do think your latest post is one more example of your moving the goalposts around and talking gobbledygook as a deflection/spoiling tactic in the battle of wits you so clearly (and by your own admission) take such great delight in!) but you would make it much clearer, in a thread like this where people are jumping in and cross-posting, if you indicated to whom you're speaking. But, of course, you don't because the implication of "if the cap fits, wear it" followed by "what on earth made you think I meant you?" suits your way of 'winning' by confabulation!   :-)

You and I both know it!

So, on with the debate about mr. brand (lower case initial letters intended) - I've said all I intend to say about that person, I'll stick to lurking and reading now that greater minds than either yours or mine have joined the fray!   :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Oct 13 - 04:58 AM

Get a grip Lizzie, Mr Brand doesn't need publicity......he needs it more than he needs air, or water.
To people like Mr Brand, publicity is OXYGEN, they are part of the problem associated with this system.....definitely not an answer.
Perhaps you think that he could become a leader of disaffected youth?
Well he could, but would lead them in the wrong direction.

Mr brand is an example of what this system considers success, an example of self-promotion.
The antithesis of socialism.


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: GUEST,Musket between courses
Date: 28 Oct 13 - 04:50 AM

Backwoodsman. You really must stop looking over yer shoulder. . You said it yourself. You don't go around shouting Ian Mather at the slightest provocation. Plus you exist in the real world so winding up or serious comment on Mudcat.org doesn't apply. The list of those who take great delight in making out Musket and Ian Mather are joined at the hip include Saint Michael, heart full Keith, Akenhateon and Jerk the Sea Cadet.

None of them exist in real life and neither does Musket.

Must admit, Musket is fascinated with the bitterness towards celebrity shown by many on this and other threads and to be fair, Ian can't see the fascination either.

An articulate celebrity points out the dangers of political apathy and all of a sudden everybody proves him right by rattling on about randy goths and well known granddads.

Fascinating.

The odd prod, as you rightly point out, helps keep the coals glowing. ..... As to my private life. Don't believe everything you read on the Internet. Just because this site is hosted in The USofA, irony is allowed. ......

Mind you, wasted on most. Earnest discussion is something for The White Bear on a Friday night. You get Ian's views, assuming anyone could ever be interested in them. You won't get NHS views though. I make a point of listening to the views and experience of others. I give information on these threads but never ever views. You'd have to read old copies of HSJ or BMJ to see when I was spouting out opinions.

So... Can we get this absurd debate back to Paxman versus yoof?


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Subject: RE: BS: Russell Brand vs Paxman
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Oct 13 - 04:14 AM

DMcG.....I agree with much of your last post, but does Mr Brand think along these lines? I doubt it.

It is every bit as dangerous to encourage fruitless "revolution", as it is to continue with the status quo.

People must be made aware of the consequences of any action against a corrupt system, the possibility of failure....they must be encouraged to look beyond "self"....there will be no quick fixes, we may be forced to join them, before we can defeat them.


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