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BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria

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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Sep 13 - 01:23 PM

EdT, Just what are you talking about???

Let me 'bottom line' it for you:

We don't know, or are not saying what we know about who did it, and this administration is NOT trusted at home, by the world community, not even by our own military.
This is NOT conducive for going to war.
If you have a specific question about that, lay it out.
That being said, are you in favor of us taking 'military action', and if so, why?


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Sep 13 - 01:12 PM

Teribus, yes, the countries surrounding Syria, COULD help us facilitate an armed embargo, as you noted....but then at the same time, there is NO conclusive evidence that Assad ordered the chemical weapon attack, which I've pointed out to you before, and others, several times.

Just like in the Zimmerman/Martin case, they are playing on emotions, and frantically want to get something going...but forgetting one 'little detail'....and that is getting your ducks in a row, and honestly finding out who was behind it...AND as the title of this thread, maybe in our rush to 'judgement', we shouldn't overlook ourselves!....and until we know for sure, shouting louder or more often, by the politicians, and their parrots and pundits, doesn't mean that we're any closer to finding out.
First find out, (or admit) who did it...and then discuss what should be done, and how.....don't ya' think???


GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 09 Sep 13 - 07:00 AM

:) Gfs, its not the first concept you couldn t figure out with a little thought. Come on, connect the dots Must be the fringe position you confessed to be associated with earlier that is holding you back:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Sep 13 - 06:56 AM

Correction to last:

"Take a look down towards the bottom of the list - the return of 605 Kuwaiti nationals abducted and taken into Iraq in 1990 - Saddam could NOT return them, primarily because by 2003 he had murdered 602 of them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Sep 13 - 06:53 AM

Guest Stim - CDC do not sell weapons

GfS - "Who out of that group do you think the U.S. couldn't 'negotiate' with? We have fair to good relations with all of them......then again, you could 'just do it'...all those little surveillance drones, and satellites"

Oh the USA could negotiate with all of them to varying degrees and likelihood of success, but they wouldn't get watertight sanctions even if they negotiated from now until the cows came home - no way of enforcing the sanctions and your surveillance drones (Would end up as PTA's for the various airforces to shoot down) and satellites would only tell you that your blockade wasn't working.

US "Armed Embargo" Officer - "Excuse Mr. (Whoever) in Turkey/Lebanon/Iraq/Jordan there are shed loads of trucks going into and out of Syria."

Mr. (Whoever) in Turkey/Lebanon/Iraq/Jordan - "Really? No Shit? We'll get on it right away" Then promptly goes back to sleep.

Don T - "Rewriting history again Teribus?" Nope but according to your point of view western MSM sure as hell took you in and for that blame horrendously inaccurate reporting combined with your own laziness for not checking what was actually said by the people involved, as opposed to what MSM reported they said.

April 1991 - What Iraq agreed to do - UNSCR 687

Did Iraq comply with UNSCR 687 - Did they F**k

Were Safwan Ceasefire Terms and Conditions complied with? - No

Did that open the door to allow any of the combatant powers to resume hostilities to enforce compliance? - Yes

Who kept telling you that the invasion of Iraq was a single issue deal? - Western MSM

Who kept telling you that the USA and the UK kept switching what single issue was the cause de jour? - Western MSM

Whole rake of reasons all described in detail in UNSCR 687 - which Saddam Hussein COULD NOT comply with - Take a look down towards the bottom of the list - the return of 605 Kuwaiti nationals abducted and taken into Iraq in 1990 - Saddam could return them, primarily because by 2003 he had murdered 602 of them.

All the above simply a matter of record all well documented.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Sep 13 - 09:50 PM

Goofball: ".....they're both [Conservatives and Liberals]fucked up and owned....as if I wasn't clear enough about that already, REPEATEDLY!...Now you go 'suck it up'!"

Oh, you were clear enough.

Clear in that you don't have a clue as to what the hell is going on.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: bobad
Date: 08 Sep 13 - 09:30 PM

NY Times article outlining how Assad was able to amass his stockpile of chemical weapons. While the main players appear to be Russia, China, Iran and North Korea, some European countries and the US have also profited from supplying dual use precursor chemicals:

With the World Watching, Syria Amassed Nerve Gas.

Note to Stringsinger, Carroll and the other usual suspects - there is no mention of Israeli complicity but it is the NY Times after all and we all know what that's about, don't we - nudge, nudge, wink, wink.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: bobad
Date: 08 Sep 13 - 08:43 PM

Some harrowing video for anyone who may doubt that a chemical weapon attack took place:Syrian Chemical Weapons Use Videos


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Sep 13 - 05:29 PM

Naw...just between studio time...I pop up here between stuff, and post...BTW, I didn't get the "...loosely thought ou "L" conspiracy ..."

You must have spent quite some time working up that one...does anyone besides you, know what it means?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 08 Sep 13 - 02:02 PM

Gfs, Fromm the amount of time you seem to spend here, I suspect you spend most of your waking day - and part of your sleeping time thinking up loosely thought ou "L" conspiracy stuff and posting it on folk music websites.

I guess it is some type of existance-and I will resist the temptation to offer advice on more productive exploits:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Sep 13 - 01:46 PM

Firth: "By attacking Liberals the way you do, that leaves you ONE position. Conservative."

Pure nonsense!..I think they're both fucked up and owned....as if I wasn't clear enough about that already, REPEATEDLY!...Now you go 'suck it up'!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Sep 13 - 01:20 PM

Goofball, at 06 Sep 13 - 03:23 AM, you quote Jerry Pournelle's attack on Liberalism, obviously thinking that what he said is just peachy-keen.

No matter how you slice it, political positions lie on a spectrum between Right and Left, Conservative and Liberal. EVERYBODY lies on that spectrum somewhere, even though, like Little Hawk—and YOU—some people like to think they're "above it all."

NOT!!

By attacking Liberals the way you do, that leaves you ONE position. Conservative.

Suck it up! You're busted

Don Firth

P. S. Some insightful political observer once comment, "The only things you find in the Middle of the Road are a yellow stripe and a dead skunk!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Sep 13 - 01:05 PM

I do???
Who set off the chemicals??


GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 08 Sep 13 - 12:47 PM

Come on gfs, you can do better than that. You must have e or many nother "sketchy" conspiracies under your hat to share:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Sep 13 - 11:38 AM

Firth: "So, Goofball, you finally admit to being the arch-Conservative that you kept denying that you are!"

I did??? These you go again!! What post are you quoting of mine??..Would you put it up...or shut up!
You just never learn a damn thing...you keep making up other things that you 'say' posters say, and then go on some stupid, illiterate rant about it...Put my quote up!


Ed T: "You are staying up far too late gfs. Late thinking effects the reasoning. Time for beddy bye:)"

Is this your tactic, instead of exchanging a salient comment, or rebuttal???..or did you just run out of your depth?? If you got something to comment on, fire away....if not, keep your bedtime stories to yourself....and take your teddy bear with you!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Sep 13 - 01:11 AM

Goofball:

"He MUST have been an intelligent thinker, that's why you couldn't hang out together....you're much too obnoxiously pedantic to carry on a rational conversation with! Did you always call him a 'bigot' every time you disagreed??..or were you too oblivious to it??"

Jerry IS intelligent. Highly intelligent. But intelligence is like a tool. It depends on what one does with it.

And we hung out together a lot. Although he didn't sing, he enjoyed folk songs, especially old ballads. He liked the way I did them and he dug up a lot of good songs for me. He attended "hoots" (informal song fests, usually in someone's living room) regularly.

I wasn't "obnoxious" at all. When he went off on a political dissertation, I just listened to see where he was going with it.

He was born in Louisiana, and he had a Southerner's attitude toward Black people, and let's face it, he was a bit of a bigot. He "tolerated" Blacks, but that was about it. We never discussed it because I knew better than to argue with a hide-bound Southerner with that kind of attitude. And no, I was not "oblivious" to anything.

And we DID hang out together, quite a bit. When I finished teaching my evening guitar classes at the U. of W. YM/YWCA, I headed for the Blue Moon Tavern for a quick brew before going home, and that was about the time Jerry came in. We'd have a couple of brewskis together, then he'd usually drive me home. He had a Jaguar sedan.

And often when I dropped into The Moon, Roberta came with him.

Jerry worked at the Space Center at Boeing (sort of "hush hush" stuff) and Roberta was a school teacher.

We were quite good friends, enough so that they asked me to be the Godfather of their first child. I don't think they would have done that if I had been "obnoxiously pedantic" and called him a "bigot."

Are you unable to read, Goofball, or do you simply not understand plain English? Or do you have a sick compulsion to make up stories that you know are not true about people and spread them around?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Sep 13 - 12:11 AM

Goofup, as I said, I just listened, and Jerry and I didn't argue.

You really should try it sometime. You can learn a lot by keeping your big, fat, flappin' yap shut and listening to what others say.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 08 Sep 13 - 12:05 AM

You are staying up far too late gfs. Late thinking effects the reasoning. Time for beddy bye:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Sep 13 - 12:04 AM

So, Goofball, you finally admit to being the arch-Conservative that you kept denying that you are!

Although I didn't argue with Jerry, I just listened to Jerry as he talked politics and kept my mouth shut. From him and from others, I have a very clear idea of the details of Conservative political beliefs.

Jerry was not only a Reagan Republican, but he worked on a number of projects for the Reagan administration.

Among other things, with his knowledge of science and his science fiction writer's imagination, he thought up a number of space-based weapons systems for Reagan.

He designed "Project Thor." Look it up.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Sep 13 - 11:45 PM

He MUST have been an intelligent thinker, that's why you couldn't hang out together....you're much too obnoxiously pedantic to carry on a rational conversation with! Did you always call him a 'bigot' every time you disagreed??..or were you too oblivious to it??

When you talk music, people listen..when you talk political talking points, you're a waste of time....and other people's talents.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Sep 13 - 11:09 PM

EdT: "but for other reasons as it should not be ruled out (it's the clock thing again, fella)..."

You mean you're not going to waste any more time in thinking about it??


Firth, You should have hung out with him more, instead of insulating yourself with whacked out politics .

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 07 Sep 13 - 08:15 PM

You could indeed be the crazy one gfs,regardlerss of your tag, ( but for other reasons as it should not be ruled out (it's the clock thing again, fella)
:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Sep 13 - 08:11 PM

Jerry Pournelle, whom Goofballupagus quotes above at 06 Sep 13 - 03:23 AM was a drinking buddy of mine back in the late Fifties, early Sixties. This was before he went to California, started writing (initially spy novels, such as Red Heroin), then science fiction such as A Space Ship for the King. He then joined forces with Larry Niven and the two of them cranked out several best-selling SF novels, such as The Mote in God's Eye and Footfall.

I was the Godfather of his and Roberta's firstborn son.

I liked Jerry, he was a good friend. But—in addition to being a West Point graduate and having a couple of degrees from the University of Washington (physics and related fields), Jerry was a superpatriot and an arch-Conservative. We soon learned not to discuss politics with each other.

But that didn't stop him from making a lot of really far out assertions. The only point upon which he disagreed with Ayn Rand was that she's and atheist and he was a strong, traditional Episcopalian. But their political philosophies were essentially the same.

Goofy claims not to be Conservative. Yet I find it interesting that he quotes a political opinion of Jerry's, zinging in on this anti-Liberal remark.

Tells you a lot about Goofy!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Sep 13 - 07:55 PM

Well said Sanity.....I did not see any lunacy in Mr Galloway's brief speech, quite the reverse, he was lucid and his arguments were fact based.....especially his discourse on the value of the views of Russia and China ....who are we to tell them how to think or when to use their veto when America has used its veto on numerous occasions to halt UN sanctions from being imposed upon Israel.

Mr Galloway opposed the Iraq war when most here rattled the drums,
He was removed from a political party he had served all his life for stating views that are now held by almost every member of this forum; that the war was illegal and destructive, and would leave the country in ruins, with hundreds of thousands of innocent people dead.

Syria is in many ways a carbon copy of Iraq, yet the same people sneer at George Galloway......people who have no guts and no reasonable arguments to put forward.....they live and speak for a myth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Sep 13 - 07:18 PM

Well, so far nobody knows for sure WHO did it, or WHY, and how they got them...whomever 'THEY' is.

Don't you question your 'logic' just when nothing is concrete, and we're supposed to got to war over it???? Don't you think there's just a teensie-weensie something suspicious about that????? You have the two phony presidential party's 'candidates' urging us on, the heads of the Houses urging us on......and most people, and the rest of the World against it....but their even talking about going with or without Congressional approval....and you don't think that's just the slightest bit odd???..and of course ALL the parrots are foaming at the mouth, because THEY KNOW what's going on...until you ask them what it is.....then they just foam as they get madder.....

...and I'M the crazy one???????????????????????????????????????

Put your feet up...relax...think it through....without blaming a soul...don't root for either side...just think about it....have a cup of nerve calming tea......think.......

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 07 Sep 13 - 04:01 PM

Try this conspiracy- clarity logic test Gfs (minus the sanityn that is)

Apples:

Oranges:

Do you perceive them as different, or the same (note, forget the commonly held concept of sanity)


Now (he cautiously adds):

Peaches:

(He test:

Do you see a conspiracy, or not?


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Sep 13 - 03:16 PM

So???

What you guys are NOT seeing, is this is NOT a partisan matter. Matter of fact, there's a few on here, who MUST be questioning that...FINALLY!!

The "Who do we have to hate, now" tactic is really quite obsolete, and useless..and has been for quite some time now, 'so snap now, and avoid the rush!'!! Some of you are probably 'just the last to know'...like a married person just finding out that the other has been 'unfaithful' for a long time!!

You know, like in da' blues. Try it in 'A', and you can 'C'!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 07 Sep 13 - 12:46 PM

Galloway, an entertaining professional speaker-political activist makes some good points in gnu's link.

But, IM0, if you view his many publically available speeches-interactions, his dark-lunitic side is clear. I rarely quote bigots in ther far right or far left, as doing so may seem to put me in the same legue.

A broad assessment of the linked speech may be "even a broken clock is right twice a day".


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Sep 13 - 12:08 PM

Well, I'm sure you'll win lots of points, while pissing all over yourself, as noted by your own post!
Let's not call attention away from the real issues on this thread...though I'm sure many of the 'so-called liberals' might be running out of Bushes and Obamas to hide behind!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,musket pissing himself laughing
Date: 07 Sep 13 - 10:23 AM

Two wings on the same bird?

That'll be Goofus and Akenaton then. With their collective wit and wisdom, peasants such as me will never win the argument so 1.0 to Ga Ga Speke.

Invoking Galloway in order to make a point?   I reckon I can beat that one.   Want to hear a quote from Daffy Duck?


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: bobad
Date: 07 Sep 13 - 08:56 AM

"He is totally against Islamic fundamentalism, he even described their barbarity in the speech."

He is totally a liar - he supports and funds the Islamic fundamentalist, terrorist group Hamas.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 07 Sep 13 - 07:48 AM

""In 2003 US President George W. Bush resumed hostilities with Iraq because Iraq had failed to comply with the terms and conditions of the ceasefire it had agreed to at Safwan in March 1991. Iraq was not invaded in order to find WMD, it was invaded to ensure beyond doubt that it possessed none.""

Rewriting history again Teribus?

Ignoring the fact that Bush had spent three years never mentioning 9/11 without reference to Iraq (guilt by association) to such good effect that, by 2003, about 40% of Ameicans believed Iraq was responsible.

Ignoring also the reason that GeeDubya himself gave, namely the clim (later proved utterly false) that Saddam had WMDs which cold be used at 45 minutes notice. That reason was slavishly picked up and parroted by our own doziest ever PM, regardless of having been told in 2002 that the US were massaging the report to justify invasion.

The report was eventually exposed as a dissertation by a student FFS!

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 07 Sep 13 - 07:40 AM

Great speech from George Galloway, thanks for the link Gnu


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Sep 13 - 04:32 AM

Hi Ake!!!..I guess you're up on the other side of the pond, there. Thanks for your last post on the 'other' related thread...because sure as God made little green apples, we've taken our fair share of crap from the nincompoopers!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Sep 13 - 04:20 AM

Bobad.....did you even listen to George's speech, which had to be curtailed due to a House of Commons time rule?

He is totally against Islamic fundamentalism, he even described their barbarity in the speech.

Our media treat George in much the same way as the US media treat any alternative voices....with ridicule; but when Mr Galloway rises to speak in parliament, the whole world listens.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Sep 13 - 03:32 AM

As I've been saying all along, "Right wing and left wing are on the same bird!"

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Sep 13 - 10:14 PM

Obama really wants a war. Boy oh boy does he want a war. Good luck, all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 06 Sep 13 - 09:43 PM

For your information.Terribus, documentation that the U.S. and Great Britain supplied chemical weapons and assistance ti Iraq can be found in a report prepared by a committee of the United States Senate in 2002. You can read it here.:The Riegle Report U.S. Chemical and Biological Warfare-Related Dual Use Exports

If you are short on time, or disinclined to leave this page, here are some excerpts from an article about the report, which were published on Sunday, September 8, 2002 by the Sunday Herald (Scotland).

"Reports by the US Senate's committee on banking, housing and urban affairs -- which oversees American exports policy -- reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene....

The reports show, for example, that on May 2, 1986, two batches of bacillus anthracis -- the micro-organism that causes anthrax -- were shipped to the Iraqi Ministry of Higher Education, along with two batches of the bacterium clostridium botulinum, the agent that causes deadly botulism poisoning....

One batch each of salmonella and E coli were shipped to the Iraqi State Company for Drug Industries on August 31, 1987. Other shipments went from the US to the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission on July 11, 1988; the Department of Biology at the University of Basrah in November 1989; the Department of Microbiology at Baghdad University in June 1985; the Ministry of Health in April 1985 and Officers' City, a military complex in Baghdad, in March and April 1986...The Senate report also makes clear that: 'The United States provided the government of Iraq with 'dual use' licensed materials which assisted in the development of Iraqi chemical, biological and missile-system programs."

This assistance, according to the report, included 'chemical warfare-agent precursors, chemical warfare-agent production facility plans and technical drawings, chemical warfare filling equipment, biological warfare-related materials, missile fabrication equipment and missile system guidance equipment'."

The full article is here:How Did Iraq Get It's Weapons? We Sold Them


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: bobad
Date: 06 Sep 13 - 09:32 PM

Is that the same George Galloway - the antisemitic, Islamist terrorist sympathizing, banned from speaking in Canada buffoon that is being lionized here?


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Sep 13 - 05:36 PM

gnu, Here's one back to ya'

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Sep 13 - 04:05 PM

Teribus: "Taking a look at the map the countries that you would have to get onboard to enforce that would be:
Turkey
Lebanon
Israel
Jordan
Iraq

Who out of that group do you think the U.S. couldn't 'negotiate' with? We have fair to good relations with all of them......then again, you could 'just do it'...all those little surveillance drones, and satellites...the could do it if they wanted to....if it was used to bring them(if they in fact did it, which we're not sure of....but have 'high confidence')...wait a minute, don't you ought to think, that we should find out who we need to negotiate with, .....FIRST?????

..because as I've been saying since I first jumped on this thread, is something don't smell right(however I worded it quite differently, but the drift was plainly there)......which ties me in to my next response"....

gnu, I found your link most fascinating.
Thanks for putting it up.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: gnu
Date: 06 Sep 13 - 12:23 PM

Parliament speech by George Galloway. WOW!


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Sep 13 - 03:41 AM

"Oh, an 'armed embargo' is nothing goes in or out...also known as a siege."

Nope the term armed embargo doesn't exist apart from inside your own fevered imagination. What you are in effect proposing is a total blockade on Syria - Care to tell us how that would be managed?

Taking a look at the map the countries that you would have to get onboard to enforce that would be:

Turkey
Lebanon
Israel
Jordan
Iraq

Land borders are as porous as a sponge as was found during the so-called UN sanctions campaign against Iraq. Who is going to prevent Russian ships sailing to and from Syrian ports?

Put quite simply your blockade wouldn't work it would get no backing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Sep 13 - 03:23 AM

Check with 'Snopes', there is several pages on it.

but I found this..thought it was priceless: "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for western civilization as it commits suicide." - Jerry Pournelle..."

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Sep 13 - 02:02 AM

If US arms manufacturers sold weapons and exported WEAPONS to Saddam Hussein please provide details. You have specifically stated that chemical weapons were sold - please don't give a long list of component parts and materials which through some convoluted process might possibly be used as part of a weapon (Making chemical agents is easy, any facility that makes fertilizer can do it - weaponising those agents thankfully is extremely difficult)

During the Iran/Iraq War both the US and the USSR aided both sides at the same time. The USA gave intelligence information to Iraq but no weapons. The USA did give weapons to Iran via Israel as the military inventory that the Iranians had was practically all US acquired by the Shah.

"The shock and awe served to mobilize Islamic extremists
in every Mid East country"


Really?? Care to take a look at the track record? We have been "at war" with Islamic extremists since 1971.

But as far as the USA goes:
1983 - USMC Barracks Beirut Bombed
1993 - WTC Attack
1996 - ObL's first Fatwa issued & Khobar Towers Attack
1998 - ObL's second Fatwa issued & US East African Embassies attacked
2000 - USS Cole attacked
2001 - WTC & Pentagon attacked

Since that date care to fill in? Nothing anywhere near as numerous or as deadly. Yet according to you the world of extremist Islam was only galvanized into action due to the actions of GWB - grow up.

Now what did the March 2003 invasion of Iraq result in:

1: We can now be sure 100% that there are no WMD in Iraq
2: We learned about Iran's secret uranium enrichment plants
3: Libya renounced its WMD programmes including a secret nuclear weapons programme.
4: The illegal nuclear weapons proliferation network of Pakistani Dr A.Q.Khan was exposed and shut down
5: Syria's secret nuclear weapons programme was discovered and destroyed.

" the US armed forces have no chemical or biological weapons in their inventory"

Now I have asked this question before and it was met with complete and utter silence, but just for your benefit and for Greg F's I will ask it again:

Within our Mudcat fraternity there must be ex-serving members of the US Armed Forces - I invite any of them to contradict the statement I have made above regarding chemical or biological weapons - perhaps any weapons armourers, ordnance techs, missile and gunnery specialists can indeed confirm that they handled US chemical and biological weapons all the time in order to refute what I have stated - the floor is yours

Guess what? I am not holding my breath.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Sep 13 - 01:58 AM

ooops, left this one out..


Teribus: "The Chemical Attack? IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO DID IT - the measures to be taken must ensure that no further attacks occur.

It only matters, because once you know WHO did it, knowing WHY, is the next question...then you can get to the root of what it's all about. If it was a false illusion, to make it look other than what it was/is, then the injustice of it all, and who those who should really be held accountable, can be held accountable, instead of it being used as a propaganda tool, against the wrong people, who didn't do it.....Like, who do you trust?....fair enough?...there IS a truth somewhere in this pile of shit!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Sep 13 - 01:49 AM

Teribus: "My patience with the Middle-East in general ran out some time ago - my view is stay out, sell them anything they want and let them get on with it."

Interesting.
Oh, an 'armed embargo' is nothing goes in or out...also known as a siege. A siege can be done without firing a shot, and to break it, the place being sieged, must 'negotiate'. Some sieges don't let ANYBODY in or out, either. It's up to the 'siegers' as to how they want to do it to the 'siegees'.... is used 'siegers' and 'siegees' just for simplification...even though that's not their name, technically, but it took me less to type that than to go into details...look it up, if you want clarification....BUT their is another element to consider....a BIG one...but you'll have to stay tuned.....but I'll say one thing, Obama boxed himself in a hell of a mess....the least painful way, would be for him just to lose face...but then history also teaches us, that given the choices man makes to steer his 'destiny' they ALWAYS chose the one with the most pain and destruction.

Oh well....just observing, and catching the angst, translating it into music....sorta a war photojournalist, taking pictures with sound.....

Gfs


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Sep 13 - 01:29 AM

"Arguing over who was/is the bigger liar, between Bush and Obama is just a silly partisan exercise...because the truth is, THEY BOTH ARE!!..and neither one has OUR best interests at heart...Both are working for the World banksters, IMF, etc etc...Not you, not me, not their country. Their allegiances go to the 'countries' without known borders, the multinational financial controllers. How obvious does this have to get before some of you guys wake up from your delusions????"

Oh wow a big bad bogey man - this is the stuff of which bad guys in comics are made - no wonder you and LH get on so well - in short the above is complete and utter crap.

Truth - Politicians out of office and running for election can promise the world. Politicians once they get into office then have to face reality, deal with real problems (Not the ones they imagined) and then put into effect unpopular measures required to address those problems.

The Chemical Attack? IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO DID IT - the measures to be taken must ensure that no further attacks occur. There are only chemical weapons inside Syria because the Ba'athist regime of Bashar Al-Assad WANT THEM so hit the regime and force Syria to accede to the 1993 CWC - destroy all the chemical weapons inside Syria and there will be no more chemical attacks.

What is "an armed embargo" when it's at home? I have heard of an arms embargo - only problem with that is that who would enforce it? It would not get past the Russian and Chinese veto at the UN as they are both pouring arms into Syria to support Assad.

My patience with the Middle-East in general ran out some time ago - my view is stay out, sell them anything they want and let them get on with it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Ron Davies
Date: 05 Sep 13 - 07:17 PM

It seems it's time to clear up some misconceptions here. Sorry I don't have time to wade through the collected wisdom here assembled.

But I thought it's time to set the record straight.   It's certainly true the CIA is behind it. As the OP notes, it was for lunch.   But, as I noted earlier, it was the Culinary Institute of America, and it was the Saccharine missile. Too much sugar is being consumed.   But there are actually better alternatives to saccharine. We hope they will be looking into them soon.

This makes precisely as much sense as the thesis behind this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Sep 13 - 07:02 PM

the US armed forces have no chemical or biological weapons in their inventory

BWAAA HA HA HAHA HA HA!!

Good one!


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