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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Aug 13 - 01:57 AM

Robot: "I think, therefor I am, Bill???"

Perfect example of 'DTS'!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 11:39 AM

"I think I think... therefore I think I am...I think"


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 10:30 AM

I think, therefor I am, Bill???

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 10:23 AM

Simple question, Greg. Why so defensive? Besides, I thought you would have said 'on your bike'...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 10:11 AM

Are you saying that you believe you are better than many other people?

Bugger off, Dave & take your nonsense with you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 10:00 AM

"Never express yourself more clearly than you think."   - N. Bohr

"A great many people think they are thinking when they are really rearranging their prejudices." - William James

"A person who won't think has no advantage over one who can't think." Paul Lutus


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 08:56 AM

No, I didn't say it was "just a joke"... Starting threads that illicit posts that might make people smile isn't the same as "just a joke"...

And the original intent has been achieved...

I mean, there have been many such postings...

As for illogical thinking??? Yeah, love and issues related to faith can be seen as illogical... I don't see them that way...

What Amos said is what I am talking about... If people use mythology as the basis of their opinions I consider that illogical... Such was the case in the Zimmerman trial... I challenged one such person to explain why anything that was on Martin's phone would justify his being murdered by a stranger who not only had no knowledge of what was on Martin's phone but didn't even know Martin...

The poster created a scenario that had no basis in reality and then used that mythology to defend the murder...

That, in my opinion, is what one get's when suffering from DTS...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 08:36 AM

So, Greg

The intimation is more properly that those who cannot think are worse than those who can.

And that's the truth.


Are you saying that you believe you are better than many other people? That is the way I am reading your comment so apologies if I am wrong. But if that is what you are saying, tell us why you feel so superior to so many people and what you define as correct thinking please.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 08:32 AM

A very disrespectful 100.

Bollocks.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 08:30 AM

The intimation is more properly that those who cannot think are worse than those who can.

And that's the truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 03:39 AM

Yes, Amos, there is such a thing as illogical thinking. It is illogical to sing and dance when there is so much to put right in the world. Love is illogical and irrational. Blind belief in a higher power is illogical. However, millions of people all over the world participate in these things all the time. It does not make them 'broken' and, by implication, not as good as others. The whole premise of this thread, although Bobert has hedged his bets by saying it was just a joke, is to intimate that those who cannot think correctly are worse than those who can. May be logical but it is still wrong.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Amos
Date: 12 Aug 13 - 10:08 PM

Dave:

Different facts, or a matter of opinion. I did not say that a different conclusion means a broken thinking process. Two rational people armed with the same facts may still have different conclusions because they weight things differently because they have, for example, different purposes over the long-term.

However there IS also such a thing as illogical thinking. Jumping to conclusions, for example.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Aug 13 - 04:44 PM

Anybody need a Kleenex?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Aug 13 - 01:55 PM

Well that was a snotty remark!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Aug 13 - 12:56 PM

"You can pick your nose and pick your friends but you can't pick your friend's noses" -- Me

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Aug 13 - 11:18 AM

"Ambiguously referential sentences with vague linguistic parameters intrinsically limit coherent rejoinders" --Me


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Aug 13 - 12:18 AM

"Misinformation is only very temporary in accomplishing anything of lasting value, either to the individual or society."--Me

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Aug 13 - 12:17 AM

"Misinformation are only very temporary in accomplishing anything of lasting value, either to the individual or society."--Me

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Aug 13 - 02:50 PM

Another Einstein quote:

"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Aug 13 - 02:54 AM

Thanks, SJL..that's a good one, too.
Another Einstein quote, along the same lines: "Only a fool say there is no God"

Regards,

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 10:08 PM

Sorry, I have not been around to defend my honor or whatever needed defending but been gone on business the last 3 days...

For those who have stood up for me a big 'ol Wes Ginny holler thanks...

For those have taken the opportunity to throw cow chips???


















Bite me...

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 05:25 PM

Good one GfS, now I got one for you. Einstein:

"Quantum mechanics is very worthy of regard. But an inner voice tells me that this is not yet the right track. The theory yields much, but it hardly brings us closer to the Old One's secrets. I, in any case, am convinced that He does not play dice."


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 03:16 PM

"Convictions are the more dangerous enemy of truth than lies." Friedrich Nietzsche

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 02:49 PM

DTS...hmmm. Don't be surprised if it shows up in the DSM manual someday. Not to mention there will be new toxic drugs to treat it with.


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 11:25 AM

Naw... Robot is not a troll...he just is a guy with convictions..who hasn't thought them through all the way.........OR...he has.....
Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 05:16 AM

Greg - Are you a cyclist?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 01:16 AM

Dave, don't call Bobert a troll. Them's fighting words. Not really, but Bobert is my bro. A very, very sincere person. Not a troll at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 12:06 AM

Greg F: "Hmmmm.........hit and run....... kinda like bicyclists colliding with pedestriams on the sidewlk/footpath/pavement, I suppose......."

Hmmmm.........hit and run???....Sounds like a pothead, toking while sitting on the porcelain Buddha with diarrhea!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Aug 13 - 03:11 AM

Fairy Nuff, LH. I am certainly willing to give you the benefit of the doubt but you also need to bear in mind that just as you are discussing things you are interested in, other people not 'fighting', they are just doing the same. And if you suggest that they need to ask more questions the implication is that they have not asked enough. Maybe they have not, but maybe they have. You have no idea how many questions people have already asked because, as you say, you have no idea who will read your comment. May I suggest that discussions would go a lot easier if people thought their comments through more thoroughly? Or, by doing so am I guilty of the same offense? :-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 04:35 PM

I suspect that a fair number of people have a mindset in which, if you don't get angry with people you disagree with, that means that you are being insincere, and can't really mean what you say. Or that is how other people are going to see it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 03:48 PM

Dave, I'm suggesting that everyone, myself included, should keep asking questions and be careful not to just unquestioningly accept conformity of any sort, whether it be religious conformity OR secular conformity...if they wish to keep learning about life and to keep growing in their understanding.

There is no rational reason for anyone to object to such a suggestion, but one thing I've found is this: if people are absolutely determined to take offense over an opinion or an assertion of some sort...then there is no way one can avoid offending them when discussing the subject...although one may have no intention of offending them. And if they are deeply afraid of change (as is the case with both religious extremists and anti-religious extremists), then they will be offended by any suggestion that they question their usual set of assumptions.

They don't need to be offended. There's no real reason for them to be offended. But they still get offended anyway, because they want to get offended, and there's nothing that can be done about it except to avoid talking to them in the first place about the subject they are so sensitive about....which if I were in 3-D life here is exactly what I would do. I would avoid talking to them about the stuff they are determined to take offense over. Here I don't have that choice, because I don't necessarily know who is going to open the thread and read what I have written here, and I have no way of avoiding various people who are hellbent on taking offense over opinions and ideas that weren't intended to offend anyone in the first place.

I'm merely discussing something I'm interested in. That's what people do. There is nothing here to be fighting over.


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 01:44 PM

There can't be a creationism v evolution debate. They have nothing to debate.

The former is proposition, the latter is evaluation of evidence. The latter can make the former irrelevant but until and unless the former is backed by evidence,which hitherto it hasn't been, there is no grounds for discussion.


That's where the distinction between "creationism" and "intelligent design" is relevant. The latter does involve "evaluation of evidence", which means that countering it involves seeking to provide more convincing evaluation of the same evidence. That implies that there are, in principle, grounds for discussion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 01:10 PM

Hmmmm.........hit and run....... kinda like bicyclists colliding with pedestriams on the sidewlk/footpath/pavement, I suppose.......


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 12:28 PM

LH, you say - I don't come here to fight with people

The post before you say - I am suggesting that people ask themselves a few more questions, rather than leaping to customary assumptions and figuring they are now safe on home base.

Do you not see the contradiction in that? You suggest that people are leaping to conclusions without having first asked questions. The implication is quite clear yet you don't want to fight. Isn't that known as hit and run?

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: GUEST,Musket musing
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 12:15 PM

There can't be a creationism v evolution debate. They have nothing to debate.

The former is proposition, the latter is evaluation of evidence. The latter can make the former irrelevant but until and unless the former is backed by evidence,which hitherto it hasn't been, there is no grounds for discussion.

The only discussion would be that the evidence for evolution discredits creationism and too many people would lose their power and influence over others if gullible people had their delusions shattered.


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 11:57 AM

I think y'all have to quit believing people all the time. You don't have to disbelieve everything, but you don't have to accept whatever people say, either.

Me, I think the Creationism vs Evolution debate has two hidden motives.

1. To make fundamentalist religious tenets seem like a matter of logical, scientific debate, when they are not. The 'debate' is merely a giant PR move, and it's most importance is in school-board elections.

2. It's a matter of control. A fundamentalist minister, almost always a man, wants to control the minds and the loyalty of his flock. "What do you believe," he asks, "A bunch of fossils or me, wonderful ME?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 10:45 AM

Dave, I am suggesting nothing about what YOU might believe or not believe. I am asking some questions about life, because asking those questions interests me. If you have already asked those same questions...great! As long as anyone is willing to ask questions, they are still open to learning new things.

As McGrath recently posted on another thread:

The basic point of involving yourself in an online discussion needs to be, not to try to convince other people who disagree with you (you are never going to do that) but to clarify what you yourself think, and find out more about what other people think.

That ought to be engraved in gold and put at the top of this forum! Because that is IT. If more of the people who came here would just follow that kind of approach to dialogue instead of being paranoid and trying to verbally destroy the other people they talk to here, it would be a far more agreeable place.

I don't come here to fight with people or to convert them to anything, I come here to express myself in words, to talk about things that interest me...or that amuse me, sometimes...and to clarify my own thoughts by expressing them, and to hear other people's thoughts, thus getting to know them better, which helps me understand the rest of humanity better.

And that's it. Period.


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 10:21 AM

Greg F: "No problem Dave; for the most part Hawk preaches a load of nonsense, too."

Look up, Greg....
'One man's ceiling, is another man's floor'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 10:16 AM

still come to a conclussion that all religions I am aware of preach a load of nonsense?

No problem Dave; for the most part Hawk preaches a load of nonsense, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 10:11 AM

Is asking a 'few more questions' a safe home base, LH? What if I have already asked myself those questions, and many more, and still come to a conclussion that all religions I am aware of preach a load of nonsense? Are you not assuming that the people have not reached your conclussions have just not asked enough questions? What makes you so sure that you are right and the 'customary assumptions' are wrong?

I find it rather insulting that you believe that I and many others on here have not figured it out for ourselves but have been, somehow, indoctrinated. Is it so difficult to understand that I have studied, weighed the evidence and pondered extensively yet still comne to the conclusion that all the religions I am aware of preach nothing but noonsense?

It is far easier to believe it is a 'broken thinkerator' than someone else may just be right, isn't it :-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 09:51 AM

"God made me to know him, love him and serve him"

You hear that from some people....but it seems to propose a separate God. That is, there's God...."over there"...wanting to be known, loved, and served by this person, that person, etc...

But God is supposed to be infinite.

And what is infinite is not just "over there", it's everywhere.

And it doesn't need to be loved or appreciated by anyone because it is already complete, therefore it needs nothing.

What if we are God (but not all of God) just like a drop of water is a part of the ocean, but isn't all of the ocean? And what if a drop of water thought it had to worship the ocean? And feared that the ocean would judge it and find it wanting? But didn't realize that it IS the ocean? In microcosm. Just as each one of us is life itself...individualized...the entirety of life being what some people refer to as "God"?

I am not suggesting final answers here. I am suggesting that people ask themselves a few more questions, rather than leaping to customary assumptions and figuring they are now safe on home base.


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 08:32 AM

I am equally confused by

Putting in quotes you want to disagree with without using italics or quotation marks gets a bit confusing...

but rather than discuss that I can just say that I am happy if teachers say 'people used to think the earth was flat and that god made it. But now there is scientific evidence to the contrary'

I would not see that in the same league as

Who made you?

God made me.

Why did God make you?

God made me to know him, love him and serve him


etc.

The latter really is a drill while the former is information which the student can use in whichever way they chose.

Any clearer?

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 07:20 AM

What I was immediately thinking when I mentioned 'drill' was your sentence .
If it is put across along the lines of 'people used to think the earth was flat and that god made it. But now there is scientific evidence to the contrary' I am sure there would be no issue.

Still having a bit of trouble with the italics, Dave, I see. Putting in quotes you want to disagree with without using italics or quotation marks gets a bit confusing...


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 05:57 AM

Whoops - Just noticed my lack of italics - Imagine them on the second line from 'Had' to 'humorous...' which is quoting Bobert.

D.


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 04:22 AM

GfS Maybe, and maybe not...

Bobert: Had I really been serious I doubt I would have used the word "thinkerator", which BTW, is meant to be humorous...

So, the lad himself says it was a joke. But, as also I said, it is strange how often these trolling threads are quickly changed to 'just having a laugh' when called out :-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 03:33 AM

Dave the Gnome: "Finaly, funny how some are still pursuing the defective thinkerator even though even the opening poster has said it was a joke."

Maybe, and maybe not...maybe he came up with it while sitting on the 'Porcelain Buddha-lator' passing some deep thoughts!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 02:59 AM

That's not education, Dave, it's drill.

It is indeed, Kevin, and that is what we are trying to avoid. On another thread I mentioned to drill we used to go through at a Catholic promary school in the late 50's - Catechism repeated parrot fasion. Fortunately it is a thing of the past but it appears some are trying to re-instate a different form of it :-(

Giving a student choices when they have not been taught to think critically is insane...

So we need to teach a 2 year old how to think before we say 'Would you like Ice Cream or Cake?' :-)

Finaly, funny how some are still pursuing the defective thinkerator even though even the opening poster has said it was a joke. Like I said, when you introduce concepts like that someone will believe it really exists and use it to demean others.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 02:33 AM

Being as understanding ALL of 'science' OR the 'spiritual' have some much that is still unknown, or detected by our senses, it's amusing to see all the 'experts', making such definitive statements, as to their absolute!
Personally, from what I've been made aware of, science and the spiritual are compatible..depending on the fulness, and inclusiveness, one wishes to consider.
For instance, the word 'LOVE' is translated primarily as 'love' in the scriptures, in modern English..BUT, there are three different words in the original texts..but all translated as 'love', eros, agape, philia. 'Agape'(love), is an unconditional love, that also contains within it, all the properties of physics both seen and unseen, whereas philia, is a 'mental love', usually between humans, as a 'brotherly love,, as in 'Philadelphia'..and 'eros' is usually a sensual love, between a man and a woman.
Now, with that in mind, how many 'absolutes' does science define?...Not all, because 'science' in itself, is not complete.
I think when it's all done, and all that is discovered that is yet to be discovered, 'science' will only serve to define, in terms, what really exists in power.

....an easy concept, UNLESS................................................ you are suffering from 'Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...'

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Aug 13 - 10:39 PM

SJL's link includes this near the end..

"DNA functions like a software program. We know from experience that software comes from programmers. We know generally that information-whether inscribed in hieroglyphics, written in a book or encoded in a radio signal-always arises from an intelligent source. So the discovery of information in the DNA molecule, provides strong grounds for inferring that intelligence played a role in the origin of DNA, even if we weren't there to observe the system coming into existence.

This is some combination of these informal fallacies. (and maybe several others implied). It gets you nodding "ok...sure" about certain seeming facts, then asks you to make a jump to 'obvious' conclusions.


Fallacy of Weak Analogy

Complex Question Fallacy

Cum Hoc Fallacy

Sweeping Generalisation Fallacy

Subjectivist Fallacy


It is NOT obvious that conceptually similar structural similarities demand similar causal assumptions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Defective Thinkerator Syndrome (DTS)...
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 07 Aug 13 - 09:50 PM

Exactly. I think this theory makes you wonder more than anything else. It doesn't work in terms of proving the existence or identity of a designer because then, who or what created (designed) the designer? True to science, it only leads to more unanswered questions.

I think it is more of a problem for us to imagine we have all the answers or that we are always going to get them by using a given methodology. In fact, the need to fill in all the blanks seems a detriment to both science and religion. It leaves us less open to discovery.

Religion and Science might be compatible. Is it important that they are? Not to me because to me religion has always been mystical and doesn't rely on science at all. What I have always disliked about science is its tendency to denigrate our humanity by attempting to reduce us to mere biology, always a material explanation for everything.

Intelligent Design at least seems to suggest that our consciousness, our intelligence, our feelings, our ability to contemplate, create and design might actually mean something. Not just some accident of nature.

Here's another interesting theory:

http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/en/implicate-and-explicate-order-according-to-dav


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