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Subject: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 06:14 PM

I don't think it does. Who really cares? The reason I bring it up is because I know an old gentleman from the 60s folk music community who keeps viciously insulting Tom Cruise at any possible opportunity, referring to him as "the Lithuanian dwarf" or something like that...I may have the nationality wrong...at any rate, he delights in talking about how short Tom Cruise is, as though this relegated the poor man to the value of a lab rat or a piece of road kill.

He may be annoyed over the fact that Tom Cruise is better known than he is, earns more money, and goes out with better looking women...but I'm only theorizing about that... ;-)

So, what's the verdict here? Does it matter if Tom Cruise is shorter than a lot of other men? I can't see why it should. After all, they can make him look just as tall as most other people by the magic of modern filmmaking, CGI, and the usual old tricks (having his lover stand in a trench when she's beside him, etc). No one can tell the difference.

And he's still taller than Chongo!


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 06:46 PM

The better, and more pertinent question, is: Does Tom Cruise exist, or were we forced to invent him?


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 06:55 PM

It's silly to have an opinion about celebrities at all....but we all do it. Just look at all the sappy celebrity obituaries people post here at Mudcat, and how irritated they get if somebody breaks the taboo and speaks ill of dead child molesters and the like.

-Joe=


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: GUEST,Ed (
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 06:57 PM

Height seems to matter when you try to get on carnival rides, or give blood. 4ome taller women are cautious about dating shorter men, but certaily not all. Beyond thst, maybe not, especially if you are rich.

This reminds me of a story:

* very tall woman dated a short gent. The next day her friend asked her how the date went. She repiied "Wwe tried to have sex.- but, when we were nose to nose hie toes were in it, and when we were toes to toes, his nose was in it".


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Subject: REes it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: GUEST,Ed (
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 07:00 PM

2xcuse my typing + doing it on a blackberry-- the keyboard is really tiny:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 07:33 PM

Not the length of the pencil but how and what you write...

Tom Cruise is crazy... Google Nicole Kidman...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 07:36 PM

Only if it stops him from riding the Roller Coaster!

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: gnu
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 07:43 PM

Ed... when we were nose to nose, his toes were in me and when we were nose to nose, his toes were in me and when he was in me, I was lonely. That's the way it was told to me by my structural engineering professor... the geek with the glasses and not a hair out of place who began every class exactly on time and ended the same way. THAT was a strange day.

Now... the subject dick. I don't care how tall, or short, he is. He will never be tall in my books after spewing his warped pseudo-religious diatribe on the airwaves. A spiritual man? A man of good will and kindness and then all these movies about violence? Same goes for that there John Revolting fellah. Get back on yer spacedout ship lads and fly back ta LaLa Land.

That's the long and the short of it as I see it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 07:59 PM

Who gives a shit? And why?


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Janie
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 08:00 PM

Of course it matters. Apparently as metaphor to some.


Is he short?


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: michaelr
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 08:02 PM

As Peter O'Toole said in The Stunt Man: "How tall is King Kong?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 08:04 PM

The real question, Janie, is...

...how short is he???

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 08:20 PM

I have never seen Cruise in a movie so far as I know - I don't watch many movies- but it seems to me that, given the extra care that unusually short leading men require in making films, the guy must be unusually talented or they wouldn't bother with him.

Not that I like what I know of Tom Cruise, the man.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: gnu
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 08:32 PM

Indeed, Ebbie. He is truly talented... as an actor. As a man... not so much.

For those that may not know, a few years back he was considered to be the most powerful actor in the movie business in the US. Ya gotta have some chops fer that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 10:07 PM

Never meant to imply that I "give a shit", Greg. No, I never thought that it mattered in the least how tall he is...I just thought it might be an amusing subject for a new thread...specially for all us folks who apparently have too much time on our hands, otherwise why would we bother to even post to such threads? It's idle amusement, nothing more. If not for having this old folkie friend who has a hate fetish on for Tom Cruise, I'd probably never have even thought of it in the first place.

I've liked some of his movies fine. He acted pretty well in them, for the most part. He's definitely a handsome man, and probably a pretty skilled actor. I couldn't care less what his religious views are, cos I don't make a point of automatically disliking (in other words prejudging) people merely because they are into Scientology or some other thing I'm not into...I'd rather know more about them than immediately damning them over one fact about their lives.

So I don't give a hoot if he is into scientology. His choice. I'm not. My choice. Fine either way.

I just think it's funny that this friend of mine hates the man so much when he doesn't really have any substantial reasons for hating him. Now, if Tom's bodyguards were to kick my friend down a flight of stairs upon Tom's express orders...I could understand the resentment! ;-D But nothing like that has ever happened.

Y' hear me, Mike? You've got no reason to hate Tom Cruise. Just get over it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: CET
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 10:14 PM

No, unless he want's to play Jack Reacher in a movie. Oh, right ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 10:19 PM

I thought the concept of him playing Jack Reacher was absolutely ridiculous too...till I rented the movie recently. He actually did a darned good job at portraying the character, much to my surprise.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 10:41 PM

See, I don't even know who Jack Reacher is.

I read somewhere that Cruise is 5'7".

That isn't particularly short in real life. Perhaps more so in Hollywood.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Elmore
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 10:58 PM

Jack Reacher is about 6'6 , 230.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 11:21 PM

Ebbie, Jack Reacher is a very tough character in a series of "action/crime" novels that have a lot of fighting and adventure in them. He goes about more or less randomly rescuing innocent people from various vicious criminals. It so happens I have a friend who reads every Jack Reacher book that comes out. He lent one to me and I read it...good light entertainment if you don't mind suspending reality quite a bit, and they are well written. So that's why I know who Jack Reacher is.

It's not what I'd usually read. Right now I'm reading a great biography of Leonard Cohen, entitled "I'm Your Man". After that, it'll probably be something on spirituality, religion or history...or more folk music and songwriter stuff.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: gnu
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 07:41 AM

LH... I do not dislike TC BECAUSE he is a Scientologist. I dislike him because I think he is a two faced whacko nut bar who makes violent and sexually deviant movies while touting himself as very spiritual. I do not dislike anyone based on (fill in the blank) but may come to dislike someone based upon what they say or upon their actions. I shant provide you with video clips of TC providing all and sundry with more than enough evidence supporting my understanding of ahhh, errr, the subject individual. In short, he comes up short as a person in my eyes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 09:08 AM

I quite enjoy Tom Cruise as an actor, but I am more than a little disturbed by his Scientology
There is a local legend here in Miltown Malbay, County Clare (possibly true, considering the source) that Cruise and Nicole Kidman once paid a flying low-profile visit to the town and stayed at a little bed-and breakfast on the outskirts.
The landlady, and elderly, sober and very honest lady said she hadn't a clue who they were but they were spotted by a neighbour who passed on the information - Theresa said they were a lovely couple - "he was a nice little Leprechaun of a man"
Mind you, John Rea, the hammered dulcimer player from Antrim once told us that he bumped into Sophia Loren one evening while he was taking his dog for a walk.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Charmion
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 09:28 AM

How pleasant for Mr Rea. I can't think of anyone who would provide a softer landing than Ms Loren.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 09:31 AM

Good heavens! Who'd have expected that? I hope the dog didn't attempt to mount her leg. That would have been embarrassing.

gnu - Well, fine. You have clearly investigated Tom Cruise a little more thoroughly than I have, and you may have found some reasonable basis for disliking him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 10:44 AM

"How pleasant for Mr Rea."
John always insisted that the pleasure was mutual - lovely man that he was
Jim Carroll.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: gnu
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 05:00 PM

LH... "You have clearly investigated Tom Cruise a little more thoroughly than I have..."

Huh? I have not investigated him. I simply have seen some of his movies and been presented his insane rants on TV and on You Tube. Whassup with the accusatorial assumptions which have no basis?

No need to answer. I shant see it. No worries at all.

gnightgnu


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 06:22 PM

Ummm...we have a misunderstanding, gnu. I was being dead serious and not accusatory at all...I think you probably know more about Tom Cruise than I do. That's it, period. I meant nothing other than that in my post.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 06:33 PM

Tom Cruise is a self-important scientologist asshole who does a great deal more damage than good in this world.

Who gives a shit? Screw him. Tom Cruise deserves every insult he gets from whatever source.

Now lets move on to something of import, or at least interest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: gnu
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 07:49 PM

Agreed, LH. Like I said, no worries. I was addressing your words and not you. I know for a fact you would never think the way someone else may have read your words and that is why I said... no worries at all.

Seriously, bud. Yer one a the good guys. I respect you and am happy to call you a buddy. Just... someone fresh off the street might interpret some of your words in a way you had not (NEVER) intended. Simple.

Now... few people fresh off the street misinterpret my words. That's why I am constantly getting in shit with all and sundry and being asked by the mods to shut the f... ahhh... tone it down.

>;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: gnu
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 08:12 PM

Greg... lead us o wise sage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 11:05 PM

Greg is always hot on the trail of yet another witch to burn, another hated enemy to go after, another online relationship to sever, another despicable person to castigate, insult, disparage, and damn for all eternity...so, hey, why not Tom Cruise? ;-D He's a perfect target for all that unexpressed hostility, right?

But the best way to move on to that vital something "important", Greg, is...just go there. (That means: You go there. Leave here. Go to another thread. One that's about the "important" stuff. It's certainly not this one. This thread was never intended to be about the "important" stuff.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 04:03 AM

Wasn't there a country singer named Tom Tall - d'you think they're related?
'I'm Casting My Lasso Up To The Sky', b.w 'Goldie Jo Malone' was the first record I ever bought.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 05:13 AM

I expect it matters to Tom Cruise.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 08:46 AM

Yes, probably.

History is full of short men who have achieved great things. Bob Dylan and Paul Simon, for example.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 10:42 AM

Greg... lead us o wise sage.

I wouldn't want to cut ahead of you in line, gnu - wouldn't be polite.

Greg is always hot on the trail of yet another witch to burn,

& Hawk is always looking for another person, or concept, or atrocity, to excuse and rationalize away & thus ignore.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 02:03 PM

I'm getting better and better at ignoring you, Greg. ;-) But I will admit it is a fair bit of fun to rattle your psych ward bars now and then and watch you snarl at the end of your chain. What puzzles me is what has made you so angry....life must be hell in the UK, I suppose, given the rising cost of living these days and the appalling weather, the lack of good cuisine, the decline in social standards, etc. Maybe that accounts for it. I suggest watching some old Charlie Chaplin films. It helps quite a bit to raise one's spirits.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 03:04 PM

Wrong again (or should I say still?) Hawkster- I'm not in Blighty. Tho you do show yorself to be something of an anti-British bigot.

And what accounts for the relativism & hopelessness & rationalizations you take to absurd degrees?

And what accounts for you confusing anger with plain speech reflecting reality?


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Wesley S
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 03:27 PM

For myself - I'd rather not attend a Tom Cruise movie if it means that my money is going to end up in the pockets of the church of scientology. And that's just a personal preference. If "Jack Reacher" comes on TV I'll watch it to see if they screwed up the book. And I suspect they did.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 03:33 PM

Probably the first, last, and only time I'll agree with you, Wesley. But good for you.

PS: "Church" of Scientology? I don't think so... now CULT, perhaps...


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: GUEST,Chumpo Chimp
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 07:05 PM

Hey everyone, look at me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Aug 13 - 10:40 AM

Funnily enough, just to diverge for a moment from discussing Tom Cruise, Greg F., and me, I've been reading a lengthy biography of Leonard Cohen, and it turns out that Leonard tried out scientology in the late 60s, early 70s. At first he was well impressed with it, said that it "worked" for him...but by a few years later he became disenchanted with how they were using his name for publicity purposes, and he disassociated himself from the scientology movement.

He is thus an ex-scientologist. (and has been for a long time)

Now, back to our scheduled programming! ;-)

Well, Greg, I have to assume you're angry because anger seems to be the tone of the majority of your postings, that's all. You come here and fight with people about stuff. Just going on the best evidence I can gather...

Whereas I am not hopeless, not at all. Nor am I angry. Nor am I apathetic. Nor am I a relativist...I'm just capable of seeing shades of grey, that's all, so I'll look at different sides of an issue rather than just dividing the world up into "the saved" and "the damned" which is what you seem to do, and that's why I referred to you "looking for another witch to burn". Yours appears to be the condemnatory and righteous fury of the Inquisition, Greg, more worthy of a fire and brimstone fundamentalist than the realist you would claim to be. ;-)

Or at least it seems that way. Maybe it's just your style of speech that makes it seem that way.

I think that my ability to see the shades of grey is what properly reflects reality...because reality is very complex...and that your extremes of passion reflect your own state of mind, not reality. Of course, you will interpret your own state of mind as reality, so I doubt we're likely to reach a resolution on that any time soon. ;-)

But the real question is: Are we having fun yet? I know I am. Hopefully, you are too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Aug 13 - 02:23 AM

"History is full of short men who have achieved great things. Bob Dylan and Paul Simon, for example."
Not forgetting Napoleon!
Personally it never occurred to me that Tom Cruise's 5'7" was "small" - an inch taller than me an I was the tallest in my family.
I'd never make much of a fist of basketball, but didn't the Harlem Globetrotters include at least one 'small' player?
Isn't 'heightism' an 'ism' alongside,'race', 'sex' and 'anti-American'?
Not completely serious but half way there - Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: GUEST,Manuel
Date: 06 Aug 13 - 10:31 PM

Why should it? Does he have to tiptoe to get it into the urinal in the men's room?


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Aug 13 - 12:21 AM

I can't recall, offhand, ever seeing Tom Cruise in a movie or television show.

I'm afraid my interest can be measured only in micro-give-a-shits.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Aug 13 - 03:25 AM

I keep reading the thread title as Does it matter TO YOU how tall Tom Cruise is?

It is a better title anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Aug 13 - 10:02 AM

You're right, Ebbie. That would be a better thread title.

Most of us appear to be in the "doesn't matter in the least" camp...specially Don Firth, whose lack of interest can be measured in
"micro-give-a-shits". LOL! Gotta remember that one.

I deliberately didn't mention Napoleon, Jim, because he is the one people always mention! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 07:47 AM

For the life of me I can not fathom why so many people dwell on the private lives of those one dimensional Hollywood losers. No way can I give a rodent's rump who is humping who in that cesspool.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 08:08 AM

No, the same way that it doesn't matter how tall the other 6,000,000,000 people on the planet are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 08:25 AM

""I deliberately didn't mention Napoleon, Jim, because he is the one people always mention! ;-)""

Perhaps Napoleon is the one you should have mentioned, being the one who was almost as belligerent as Cruise!

I'm with Don F in terms of micro give-a-shits on the height front.

The aggressive side? Well that's a different kettle of piranha.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 09:42 AM

Napoleon was the sort who is remembered as a great hero if he wins...a major troublemaker (or even a villain) if he loses. He was a man of extraordinary ability in terms of leading an army and winning battles...so good at that, in fact, that it led him to ambitions which presently posed a problem for so many other people that his enemies became too numerous to be handled. (If he'd limited those ambitions a bit, he might have retired in glory, not in defeat.)

One might say similar things of Julius Caesar or Alexander the Great...they were loved and admired by their fans, hated and feared by their competitors and opponents.

To call these men "belligerent" is missing the point, I think. They were highly ambitious leaders, doing what many others in their place would have done, but doing it much more effectively than most have ever managed to.

Not that that has much to do with Tom Cruise. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 10:10 AM

Okay, it just so happens I was talkin' to Tom Cruise on the phone about an hour ago. We useta get together now and then when he would be comin' through Chicago, have a couple drinks, talk about show business and crime fightin'.

So I figgered I'd call him up and tell him people are yakkin' about him on Mudcat.

"What the hell is Mudcat?" he says.

I explain to him that it's an obscure internet hangout for a buncha old cranks who used to play folk music and that they are bad-mouthin' him.

"Nothing new about that," he says. "Tell them they can all kiss my ass."

And that about sums it up. Ook! Ook!

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 02:03 PM

""I explain to him that it's an obscure internet hangout for a buncha old cranks who used to play folk music and that they are bad-mouthin' him.

"Nothing new about that," he says. "Tell them they can all kiss my ass.
""

And you Chongo can kiss our collective arses!

"Used to play" indeed. Ignorant ape!

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 02:57 PM

". . . it's an obscure internet hangout for a buncha old cranks who used to play folk music. . . ."

Chongo, that poop you like to produce then throw at people?

I suggest you produce a good, juice sample, then slap yourself in the face with it.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 04:00 PM

Yeah? You guys wanta settle this Chimp style? Izzat watchoo want??? Just name a time and place. We will find a nice clearing in the woods, show up at an agreed time to screech and jump up and down and hoot blood-curdling insults and threats back and forth, beat heavy sticks on the ground, and hurl rocks and stuff at each other for maybe 10 minutes or so, then we'll charge screamin' in to the attack and battle it out with hands, feet, sticks, and teeth, till the weaker side flees in terror...that bein' YOU schmucks! I will wipe up the forest floor with yer sorry asses. They'll need a shovel and a bucket to pick up yer pieces when I am done with you.

- Chongo

p.s. If you was real musicians, you'd be playin' jazz.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 09 Aug 13 - 12:44 PM

Hell no, it doesn't matter how tall Tom Cruise is! What matters is the fucker's shoe size!


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 13 - 02:29 PM

Moreto the point, does this puffed-up jackass Cruise matter AT ALL?

Answer: No.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: kendall
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 06:22 AM

I wouldn't know him if I fell over him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Elmore
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 02:27 PM

Underrated actor. Don't care about all the other b.s.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Alice
Date: 11 Aug 13 - 11:42 AM

Tom Cruise is a promoter of an organization that uses lies and manipulation to recruit, control, and abuse people, including causing death, which has been proven in courts in the US and other countries. They have video tape and transcripts of Cruise's confessions done during "auditing" for decades, so he is probably afraid to face the truth and leave the group. Parts of Hollywood are highly influenced by $cientology, because they capture young actors in acting classes by promising them advancement in their career if they join $cientology. By his continuing promotion of the organization, he supports working people like slaves in the "Sea Org", breaking up families by disconnection, a type of shunning done by $cientology, the illegal activity of their so-called drug program called Narconon, and on and on. See the Village Voice reporter blog of Tony Ortega, tonyortega.org, go to youtube and search for ToryMagoo44 and listen to how she had to escape. Read about how a girl born into it had to choose between escape or jumping off a building in suicide, "Beyond Belief",.. there is huge suffering and even death caused by the group that Tom Cruise promotes. His height doesn't matter. His deeds that lead to suffering and death does.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Alice
Date: 11 Aug 13 - 01:23 PM

Here is a first hand account of a member of Tom Cruise's "church" who was held against his will, beaten, and captured when he tried to escape. LH, if your friend does not like Tom Cruise, this kind of thing is probably why.

Scott escapes the "Sea Org"

There are multiple videos that complete the interview of Scott Campbell.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Aug 13 - 06:06 PM

Yeah, interesting stuff, Alice. I might mention that I have never been in the least attracted to Scientology. It's always seemed like a creepy and very strange outfit to me, ever since I first saw them around in the early 70s in Toronto. I wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw an iron anvil.

However, I don't instantly judge any individual just on the basis of whether or not they are involved in Scientology...or were involved in it at one time. Leonard Cohen was into it for a few years in the 70s, but later disassociated himself from the Scientology movement.

In any case, I did not start this thread in order to provoke a deep and serious discussion of the merits or evils of Scientology. I started it as a bit of whimsical humour about fame and about why people sometimes hate famous people, nothing more than that.

I doubt that my friend is down on Tom Cruise because he (my friend) wants to save the world from the perils of Scientology! ;-) No, it's nothing idealistic like that at all. You'd have to know this friend of mine better. He's in his 70s, is a veteran of the folk music years, and he knew everyone in the scene back then...and he simply LOVES telling stories which spread dirt and malicious gossip about people, regardless of whether they are Tom Cruise or anyone else. He enjoys the opportunity to assassinate characters whenever he can. Tom Cruise is merely coincidental in a much larger pattern of behaviour which involves character assassination, lurid tales of moral turpitude, and various other forms of delicious and salacious gossip. If I'd been famous back then, he'd probably be telling some dreadful stories about me! ;-D

At the same time, though, he's a very interesting man, quite charming, very knowledgable, and he has a lof of fascinating firsthand info about stuff that happened back "in the day", although I'm not sure which stories to believe and which to take with a grain of salt.

This is just his way of having fun, you see. Tom Cruise is just one more convenient way for him to have fun doing what he loves doing...spreading the dirt on people. The fact that Tom Cruise is famous makes the dirt really WORTH spreading! It has little or nothing to do with him being a Scientologist. (Note the behaviour of the movie magazines. They follow the same procedure. If you are famous (or briefly notorious for some reason), you are in their crosshairs and can expect to receive plenty of fire.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Aug 13 - 06:44 PM

He may seem to be of average height in many countries.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does it matter how tall Tom Cruise is?
From: gnu
Date: 11 Aug 13 - 09:15 PM

Just stopped in ta see why this thread is still on the board. Oh dear!

Tom is of average height in many countries, Ed? Well, there it is. Rather a contoversey innit?

As for the stuff about him being a fuckin fruitcake, whacked out nutjob? His camera is the witness. Great actor, tho. So was my Aunt Annabell and she was crazy as a bag a hammers! I miss her.


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