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BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden

Stilly River Sage 18 Jun 13 - 01:11 AM
Songwronger 18 Jun 13 - 12:27 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 17 Jun 13 - 11:23 PM
Don Firth 17 Jun 13 - 11:23 PM
Don Firth 17 Jun 13 - 11:18 PM
Songwronger 17 Jun 13 - 10:54 PM
Songwronger 17 Jun 13 - 10:53 PM
Don Firth 17 Jun 13 - 10:23 PM
Songwronger 17 Jun 13 - 09:52 PM
Bobert 17 Jun 13 - 07:58 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 17 Jun 13 - 07:53 PM
Bobert 17 Jun 13 - 04:17 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 17 Jun 13 - 03:22 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 17 Jun 13 - 02:47 PM
beardedbruce 17 Jun 13 - 02:45 PM
Suzy Sock Puppet 17 Jun 13 - 01:15 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 17 Jun 13 - 01:12 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 17 Jun 13 - 12:31 PM
Don Firth 16 Jun 13 - 03:01 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 16 Jun 13 - 02:38 PM
Greg F. 16 Jun 13 - 10:13 AM
Bobert 16 Jun 13 - 09:23 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 16 Jun 13 - 09:20 AM
Suzy Sock Puppet 16 Jun 13 - 06:57 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 16 Jun 13 - 06:56 AM
Suzy Sock Puppet 16 Jun 13 - 06:53 AM
Stilly River Sage 16 Jun 13 - 12:51 AM
Suzy Sock Puppet 16 Jun 13 - 12:32 AM
Don Firth 15 Jun 13 - 10:51 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 15 Jun 13 - 10:34 PM
Don Firth 15 Jun 13 - 10:31 PM
Suzy Sock Puppet 15 Jun 13 - 09:48 PM
dick greenhaus 15 Jun 13 - 09:05 PM
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GUEST,Guest from Sanity 15 Jun 13 - 07:59 PM
Don Firth 15 Jun 13 - 02:43 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Jun 13 - 01:11 AM

I've barely touched this thread. Others have done most of the removing. And Songwronger - bite me. I've contacted you exactly twice. You can stop speculating about who does what around here - most of it has nothing to do with you. You think too much of yourself.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Songwronger
Date: 18 Jun 13 - 12:27 AM

Oh, I know who it is. She PMs me about shutting down my threads. Like she's winning battles for Obama by stifling discussion. Good little brownshirt. She also removes the most venomous posts by Mudcat's old guard. She's a revisionist.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Jun 13 - 11:23 PM

Yeah, she even deleted a harmless joke by me...she does that...sorta like the same mindset that edits Mark Twain, who captured the mood of the times, they change it, to be politically correct.. and then deny that they re-write history!
Come on, we are bigger than that....aren't we?......aren't we?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jun 13 - 11:23 PM

And the Mudelf who removed the posts is not necessarily who you think it is.

You ARE a hate-filled sod, aren't you!??

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jun 13 - 11:18 PM

That, too, is customary. People have a right to know who's posting what. And ESPECIALLY when one individual is getting a bit over-cute.

And your insulting comment about the Mudelf is in extremely poor taste.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Songwronger
Date: 17 Jun 13 - 10:54 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Songwronger
Date: 17 Jun 13 - 10:53 PM

But Hitlerette didn't just delete the posts, she gave the handles the person uses. Snitch behavior. Slimy Stasi behavior.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jun 13 - 10:23 PM

Not hardly, Songwronger.

One person (generally a guest) posting under different names has been a Mudcat no-no for a long time, and when it's discovered, the posts are usually deleted.

The mudelf who removed the posts was just following a longstanding policy

Nothing sinister there.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Songwronger
Date: 17 Jun 13 - 09:52 PM

Don, you were right. Someone deleted the posts that were put up by both NB and Krinkle, to which you pointed out that they were written by the same person. I confirmed this - he was using the same IP address

That post is a perfect example of the NSA-style abuse under discussion in this thread. With the statement above, a moderator abused her little position of authority to make us privy to information that's "for her eyes only." Now think of the NSA, having your complete browsing history and EVERY PIECE OF ELECTRONIC DATA PERTAINING TO YOU at its fingertips. Think of how that could be used against you.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jun 13 - 07:58 PM

Nah, GfinS...

I'm on top of this one...

There were a thousand other alternatives that Eddie had short of what he did...

Very immature and stupid...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Jun 13 - 07:53 PM

Bobert: "What if everyone felt that if they didn't like a law they could just break it???"

YEAH!!...if they did, we'd have people breaking the law, and illegally sneaking into the country, wouldn't we??
Thank you partisan idiots, for playing on the see-saw, as to who is spinning excuses...you'll notice how the parties switch sides, on the immigration issue!....depending on who is 'in power', at what time, so they can lie about that, too....meanwhile, hiding the fact that NAFTA effectively dissolved our borders...but they don't tell you that! It might 'hurt' the voters 'feelings'!

Aren't you glad that the NSA is is listening in to 'protect' America, but installing turnstiles on the borders??..Come on in, Amigos..and radicals, too...and Drug cartels have Carte Blanche!...come on in!!

Something is very...very wrong, here!....and what it is, is exactly clear...but first, you have to ignore the 'party line talking points'

GfS

P.S. You too, Bobert...you're being deceived and hustled. The voice of deception has uneven rhythms!
You can't put an E string on your axe, tune it to B-flat and call it a G...it just don't sound too swift! So are the lies of stereo politicians, speaking out of both sides of their mouths...at the same time!


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jun 13 - 04:17 PM

What if everyone felt that if they didn't like a law they could just break it???

This kid is eat up with nihilistic illusions of grandeur...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Jun 13 - 03:22 PM

Reminded of a line from an old song-

Everybody's doin' it, doin' it, doin' it,
Everybody's doin' it now.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Jun 13 - 02:47 PM

True.

It's a bit of a 'sticky wicket'.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Jun 13 - 02:45 PM

I don't really have a problem with the NSA getting all this information.

I *do* have a problem with those who told us that Bush should be impeached for his doing the same thing, and the fact that this administration is using that information for political purposes, after using it as a campaign point against the Republicans.

Seems like they get a special set of rules, that allow the Democrats to do exactly why they criticized the Republicans for doing, and be praised for it.

But all the so-called "Liberals " are fine with that, as long as the correct people get praised, and all others blamed for the same actions.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 17 Jun 13 - 01:15 PM

Niggardly, you may be right. Snowden's latest leak is decidedly not in the best interests of national security (even though everyone in the world is aware on some level that governments continually spy on one another), therefore, his credibility has gone down a few pegs. Perhaps he is making his government sponsored descent into notoriety, eh?

Who's to say he's not an operative? If the government wanted to win major points in this debate over surveillance they would a.)initiate it b.)control the parameters. c.)Then, once the big debate dies down, nothing whatsoever changes. Just like on Mudcat:-)))

I mean, they even gave him a stripper girlfriend with a blog, right?

And Joe, as for your past work in intelligence, I don't care if you cast a disinterested eye over other people's information or not, spying on people robs them of their human dignity. It's for a prison system, not a free society. Intelligence is power and it's power that can always be abused. And it will be in all sorts of ways; in ways that have yet to be determined. That data is there and will be there in the future to be utilized by any agenda that arises.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Jun 13 - 01:12 PM

Good!!..and it's been that way for years!
Maybe it's time for them to get GOOD input, instead of the bickering that they try to keep us distracted with!!!!!


GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Jun 13 - 12:31 PM

UK, Canada are linked in. China and Russia are doing their own mining of the internet. NSA is just one player.
All of this on top of the commercial side of data collection and profiling.

All of us are contributing to the data pile.
This is the new world reality; we have to live with it, there is no turning back.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jun 13 - 03:01 PM

Exactly so, Greg.

I suggest that to get a clue, everyone here Google their own name and see what they come up with.

Then Google your name and click on "Image."

As Bogey said in the movie "Casablanca," "Here's looking at you, kid!"

Anonymity? Not these days.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Jun 13 - 02:38 PM

Cool posts, both of you!.....Here's the 'debate' on the other side(without bias)...with the breaking of the other things in the news, IRS, Rosen, AP, Benghazi, and follow up of lying about it, Eric Holder, and his very false testimonies, including 'Fast and Furious,..(if it was Chris Christie, it would be 'Fat and Delirious')..., the IRS, committees, and how they've been uncovering, between the stonewalling, pleading the fifth, and lying, while Jim Carney is being devoured by the press by the questions in his 'briefings', Snowden, and The Administration's policies or lack of, the IRS, doing Obamacare....not to mention the political tensions, hostilities, suspicions, and a growing distrust of your neighbor, because of their(and your) political outlook....and having to live with all that,....PLUS, the fanning of the fires, one way or the other....and then add the NSA, and all of the aforementioned confusion above, and rational thinking is out the window!......or is it a sign of a tightening of a police state....and that is the emotional read-out.....which is handy to know and articulate, if your writing music to get reach and get through.

(Virtuosos would have loved that!)

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jun 13 - 10:13 AM

Oogling and Googling, but no hiding
KATHLEEN PARKER
Published 6:28 pm, Saturday, June 15, 2013
http://www.timesunion.com/opinion/article/Oogling-and-Googling-but-no-hiding-4602887.php


At a party a few years ago, a young reporter bounded over to my cluster of social nodders and, with the breathlessness of a born tweeter, chirped: "What's the new hot thing?!" Without disturbing my mascara, I replied: "Anonymity." She looked befuddled.I continued: "To be Googled and to have nothing turn up. That's hot."

Too late, alas, even then.

In these post-Snowden days, the notion of anonymity is ludicrous. But so it has been for some time, though recent disclosures bring pause even to the habitually inured. It is one thing for Mrs. McQueen and Mrs. Harry G. Brown, my elderly dowager neighbors from childhood, to spy on each other through their porch screen doors. It is another for the National Security Agency to compile records of one's phone calls. Oh, for the days when Mrs. McQueen trumpeted gleefully: "I saw you eating that apple pie!"

While Americans bemoan their loss of privacy — and allow me to ululate right along with you — it is helpful to recall our own role in this gradual process of, shall we say, regurgitative knowingness.

That is, our apparent willingness to show-and-tell every little thing in the quest to be known.

Fame and Celebrity are, by comparison, higher callings than whatever compels strangers to display, say, their tongues (or other points of anatomical interest) in the public forum of social media. These acts of baboonery, not so feigned after all, are unsubtly reminiscent of chimpanzees who, unconsciously aware of the camera's hostile intrusion, try to offend it with grimaces, grins and lingual extrusions.

Now, suddenly we're offended that national security operatives are following our behavior patterns?

Cue Cheetah's laugh track.

Whether Edward Snowden, the self-admiring 29-year-old who decided to save us from ourselves if not our enemies, is hero or villain will keep us amused until time tells. Most likely he's a hybrid of the two, the heroic concentrated mostly in his having spawned an urgent and overdue debate about the costs of privacy in the service of security.

Meanwhile, Americans are scrambling to read Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World," the subject of my high school thesis. One of my more ironic literary friends called to recite Joseph Heller's "Catch-22" scene wherein another famous Snowden, mortally wounded, literally spills his guts.

Early infatuation with Huxley and other prescient writers — George Orwell's Big Brother seems suddenly cuddly — made me rationally paranoid, yes, but mostly aware of the tyranny of caring. It comes gently at first — we only want to protect you — but soon-ish becomes oppressive.

Distracted by our gadgets, we hardly notice until a Snowden materializes. We love Google Earth because we can see our very own houses on our very own laptop screens. Wow. But who else is watching?

When I visited then-Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson at his post-9/11 command center — a vast room filled with gigantic plasma screens and computer arsenals manned by military personnel — he pointed to my South Carolina office building on one of the screens. I asked Thompson if he could tell me whether my assistant was there. "Not yet, but soon," he said.

Fast forward to the set of CNN's "Parker Spitzer" a couple of years ago when I asked Google CEO Eric Schmidt what options were available to people — like me — who might find his "Street View" a little creepy.

"You can just move," he said.

Well, no, you can't.

There's no habitable place left on the planet where one can move to escape the data stalkers. Speaking of which, a peeve more personally concerning than whether Edward Snowden discovers where I get my tasteful highlights — or, as the Obama campaign mastered, which candidate I might support given my proclivity for same.

Online shopping.

Take one little tiny peek at an item of even remote interest and you are owned by The Thing.

Once I Googled a purse that, turned out, cost $1,200. I moved along. Not so fast, hissed the serpent.

A full year later, I'm reading about immigration reform and suddenly the $1,200 purse slithers into view, imprinting my brain with temptation I didn't invite. But, yes, I did. I Googled. I oogled. And, though I resisted, I am henceforth captive to an automated data pimp.

Know this: Whatever you have done online is known. Whatever you will do will be known. And thanks to me, not even Mrs. McQueen and Mrs. Harry G. Brown, bless their dear, departed hearts, can ever be anonymous. Or hot.

Kathleen Parker's email address is kathleenparker@washpost.com.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Jun 13 - 09:23 AM

Back to the discussion...

SJL's post is interesting, however, I believe that "surveillance" goes back a lot longer than the 1700s... It is the basis of parenting and being a member of a civilized society... I mean, let's get real here... People watch other people... It's human nature... It's also part of one's or a society's survival skills...

There is no real scandal here... Just acceptance that our powers of observing the actions of others have changed with the changing of technology...

Who cares???

Oh, that's right... The folks calling up wackos to find out how to make a bomb in order to kill a bunch of innocent people...

I mean, lets' get real here... If you aren't making those calls then Google knows a 1000 times more about you than the NSA...

The lesson here is quite simple... Don't be a fucked up wacko and guess what??? The NSA will have no reason to go to a FISA judge to wire tap your phone... Be a fucked up wacko and have your phone tapped...

Duhhhhhhh....

B:~)


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Jun 13 - 09:20 AM

Well???...I guess Barracko is just 'our' kind of guy!....so much for gullible liberals!....even though Bush did it, and Biden wrote the 'Patriot Act'....hey, if the IRS investigated organizations with the word 'Patriot' in it, do ya' think it will investigate Biden, and his wonderful piece of legislation??

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 16 Jun 13 - 06:57 AM

Henry Krinkle aka Niggardly Bastard? OMG, what a riot!


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Jun 13 - 06:56 AM

Can't?..Won't..the more you feed it the more it grows..nobody is concerned about your personal vendettas...except you...and most people have flashed, that most the time you're off your rocker.

As far as Krinkle/NG...maybe he went that way to be heard, amidst the very biased, 'so-called liberal' mindsets that try to pulverize any other thoughts that don't go along with their brainwashing, and indoctrinations....as any REAL liberal would know, who would be standing up, for him expressing himself..whether you agree, or not.
Frankly, I think under either persona, he has made more sense than some of our resident wannabe 'political activists' hacks.
As our history unfolds, the hacks have outlived their uselessness, and that is manifesting every day, not just on here, but in our everyday living....We're just tired of hearing their fraudulent raps!!!...based on their con man leaders, who have inundated our political parties, and their corporate owned press!!!!!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 16 Jun 13 - 06:53 AM

I wanted to bring up an 18th century philosopher/architect named Jeremy Bentham. He is considered the architect of the modern prison. Mr. Bentham came up with an ingenious idea called "The Theory of Surveillance." It is simply this: If people know or even suspect that they are being watched, they will begin to police themselves. It makes your job as their overseer alot easier. And why not? Look how well it worked in the Soviet Union. I have a friend from Ukraine who told me that he grew up in a world where people kept quiet for fear of being targeted by their government. It's no way to live but they endured it. They had no choice.

So people in America will begin to monitor themselves now that they know in the back of their minds that they are being monitored. They will be afraid to communicate freely as well they should be. It's a win-win for the government. The government is afraid of the people because it tramples on the people day in and day out protecting the elite. Therefore, they must have every means at their disposal to pre-emptively squelch dissent.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jun 13 - 12:51 AM

Don, you were right. Someone deleted the posts that were put up by both NB and Krinkle, to which you pointed out that they were written by the same person. I confirmed this - he was using the same IP address, but since the things I was confirming were now gone, I took out my post also. You're not losing your mind - Krinkle and Bastard are one and the same.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 16 Jun 13 - 12:32 AM

Don, Plato? Without a doubt, tyranny. For democracy, one must consult Socrates and Aristotle. Perhaps Diogenes "The Dog," who once wandered into Plato's academy and insulted the master himself. I'd leave off Democritus.

And when you study these guys you see that these same two basic schools of thought have always been at odds. I'm with Socrates and Aristotle. A Platonic society is one that exists to serve an elite. That can never be a good society for the majority.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Jun 13 - 10:51 PM

Yup. Can't answer the questions.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Jun 13 - 10:34 PM

When are you going to be done???..You detour the threads all the time...give it a rest............only YOU care.

gfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Jun 13 - 10:31 PM

". . . they'd just Google it up and give the 'appropriate' answer."

Again you display your ignorance, Goofy. Some of the questions I asked involve quite a bit more that Googling up an answer. For example, the question about Plato's Republic requires one, first, to understand exactly what Plato advocated, then to determine whether or not this would be a good system of government. Would it have the advantages of a democracy, or would it inevitably lead to tyranny?

A few of the questions I asked require some prior knowledge, and the ability to think. I picked a few of the questions deliberately, for that reason

They are obviously beyond your knowledge and capability.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 15 Jun 13 - 09:48 PM

I watch in horror as the media persists in shifting the discussion away from the principles involved to Mr. Snowden himself. Not what the government is up to and whether or not it's right, but whether or not high school dropout computer nerds should have access to "classified" information.

I consider Mr. Snowden a very astute and courageous young man. I don't particularly care if nobody remembers him from school or if he grew up a video game junkie. That could describe my son. That could describe my son's entire generation since we stopped letting them play outside and began to honor merchant's "1st Amendment rights" to sell our children violent video games.

My thoughts and prayers are with Edward Snowden.

Our government is corrupt and totally out of control. We are well on our way to tyranny.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 15 Jun 13 - 09:05 PM

I explained to my son, back in 1992, that the only way to assure privacy with the internet is to avoid using the internet. Nothing's changed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 13 - 08:07 PM

No offence, but you two seem like real dumb fucks.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Jun 13 - 07:59 PM

Dodge?????..Look, if I, or anyone, wanted to 'dodge it, they'd just Google it up and give the 'appropriate' answer, if they didn't know it already...to give you the attention you are gunning for, so you could impress yourself.....I don't want to play.....OK? Hasn't enough good threads been fucked up by you pestering me, because you can't 'get over' having to eat your lunch, over past fuck-ups you were on the wrong side of...get over it!
If not, tough shit!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Jun 13 - 02:43 PM

Very transparent dodge, Goofy.

The simple fact is that you blather on like a parrot, use words you don't understand, and throw insults at people who know more than you can even conceive of.

You're an ignorant troll. Nothing more.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Jun 13 - 01:59 AM

Answers are NOT a problem....thread drift is..give it a rest.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Jun 13 - 01:30 AM

Nope. No answers.

He doesn't know the answer to any of the questions I asked.

He takes a thread off-topic all the time, but ducks behind that as an excuse not to have to display his abysmal ignorance.

Now, who's "loony?"

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 07:21 PM

Well, if you can't stay on the thread topic, I guess all I can grab out of it, that is at all relevant is this part: "Man!! Lots of opportunity for me to insert misleading, Liberal political commentary there!!"

They switch so often, what is a 'liberal position' today, changes tomorrow, as soon as the elections are over and the 'so-called other side' is in power.....as witness the 'concerns' over the NSA scandals, war, immigration, IRS scandals.

If you want to start a thread on any of the stuff you interjected, go ahead.....otherwise, just stick to your senile attempts, to say nothing, that you can't spin.
Other than that you alleged that I 'misrepresented you'....that ain't the first time you made up stuff, for you do froth about!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 05:20 PM

Goofballupagus just can't stop lying about me. It seems to be an addiction with him.

It is true that I was an announcer and news director in a small radio station in the Tri-Cities, Washington (Pasco, Kennewick, and Richland). The station played "easy listening" music, and as far as news was concerned, it was the local ABC Network affiliate. Other than flipping the switch at the appointed times to bring in the network news, I had nothing to do with the national news or with anything of a political nature.

As news director, I was responsible for editing the local news and seeing that it got on the air. Daily, before the 7:00 morning news, I would telephone the sheriff's departments of two counties (Benton and Franklin), and the State Patrol and ask if they had any news to report. This might involve a bad accident on one of the nearby highways or something of that nature. During a particularly cold February, they asked me to broadcast frequent warnings that the bridge over the Columbia River between Pasco and Kennewick was badly iced over, that the listeners should avoid the bridge if possible, or if they had to use it, use extreme caution.

The State Patrol also asked me, during the summer months, to broadcast a frequent warning to tourists that if they stopped in one of the rest areas on the highway between Yakima and the Tri-Cities, be very careful if planning to sit at the picnic tables in the area because on hot, sunny days, rattlesnakes might be hiding there, shading themselves from the hot sun.

Oh, and most important! Since this was a rural area with lots of farming going on, I had to get a taped feed from the local agricultural bureau and broadcast the Farm Report in the 7:00 o'clock morning news.

Man!! Lots of opportunity for me to insert misleading, Liberal political commentary there!!

In fact, other than flipping the switch to bring in the network feed, I had nothing to do with national news.

And the station did not do political commentary of any kind.

And, yes, they paid me. A regular monthly salary. For some strange reason I was never offered any bribes.

Goofball's big problem is that since he has no concept of personal integrity himself, he judges others (me especially) by what HE would do if HE were in the situation that he imagines I was in, i.e., try to take advantage of the situation so he could push his own warped political agenda.

Goofy squawks brainlessly like a parrot about "loony liberals" and other such clichés and posts stuff gleaned from Right Wing and conspiracy theory websites, and then he (knowing nothing of their qualifications), he bad-mouths my college professors and claims I learned nothing from them.

If HE is so well-qualified to speak on the subject of "loony Liberals," perhaps he can answer a few basic questions about Liberalism and its history. For example,

Who was John Stuart Mill?

Who was John Locke?

Who was Alexis de Tocqueville and what did he say about the future of American democracy?

Who was John Maynard Keynes and what were his economic principles?

How, when, why, and in what country did the terms "Left" and "Right" start being applied to Liberals and Conservatives? And who, exactly, were the liberals and conservatives being spoken of?

What are the general philosophical and economic beliefs of Liberals?

What are the general philosophical and economic beliefs of Conservatives?

In Plato's Republic, was Plato advocating a Liberal or Conservative system of government, and what was the nature of that system?

These are basic questions, and anyone who can't answer them readily does not have a good grasp of what is meant by the terms "Liberal" and "Conservative."

Oh! That's right! Goofballupagus doesn't answer questions.

I wonder why. . . .

Don Firth

P. S. Now back to our regular broadcast (for what it's worth).


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 04:34 PM

I once asked a trapper what he trapped. He said, "Anything I can get."


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 04:28 PM

What law??..if you didn't even know it existed!
Shit, they could (and do) just about make up anything, to snag a 'target'(?)

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 03:12 PM

Ain't that the truth!


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 01:04 PM

When a government makes laws in secret, the people have a problem.

Laws passed in secrecy go hand in hand with "ignorance of the law is no excuse."


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 12:14 AM

Hey biLL, you got it...and as I've been saying all along now, it's BOTH sides...they're both corrupt, both working for somebody's agenda....and it ain't ours.....more like the international banksters, and multinational corporations...and they don't have 'conventional borders'....BUT, they do 'rent' our military, to fight 'talking point' patriotic wars....in 'our' behalf, of course(rolls eyes)..but we NEED those talking points, just to keep us away from the real issues...don't we?... The 'so-called left' has theirs, the 'so-called right' has theirs, and it's ALL scripted for us through the corporate owned 'so-called news' media....ask Don..he was one of them!
(When pressed though, he just says he 'read' what was handed to him to read)...Oh, Happy Daze..and Kumbayah! ...and why not?..they paid him.

GfS

P.S.....but then he said he was the 'news director' too...hmmmm.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: number 6
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 10:50 PM

Hannity Then and Now on NSA Surveillance .... hehe .... the Republican version of the issue, very much like the other side of Bobert's version of the issue, then and now.

Good grief ... the lunacy of it all

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 10:44 PM

While I do agree, that the NSA 'scandal', is hardly relevant to all the hype it is getting, it really IS the lesser of the 'scandals' freaking out the 'left'...I think it's being used as a distraction away from the bigger things....(which I've said before).....Now the problem is, how much of whatever the White House says, will be believed by anybody??
...but if you roll them all together, IRS, Benghazi Fairy Tales, 'Fast and Furious'..and how much stonewalling and deceptive 'press releases', not to mention perjured 'testimonies'...even the Boston Marathon details, I can't say I'm waiting with baited breath, to hear their next bit of 'transparency' ...are you?...I mean, how many out there, actually believe, that Susan Rice blamed the video, for the Benghazi mess, in front of the U.N....and the President had no idea that it was not true???? ..or who gave her her marching papers, and exactly what story to tell.....Anybody believe that????
The amazing thing is how that must reflect absolute foolishness, and an insult to the rest of the world community...and how ridiculously stupid, all those idiots who bought into it are, in the eyes of the rest of the world....but banter on....we're getting use to a lot of stupidity on here...especially those who can't/won't see how moronic they are.....but that's OK...some other idiot will back you up....or you can always hail Don, as he whizzes by.......

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 09:54 PM

Hannity and 99% of Americans


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Songwronger
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 09:36 PM

William Binney cares about it. As the Wired article describes, he was a senior NSA crypto-mathematician, and he quit the NSA when it began violating the constitution.

People who tell you to give up and lay down your arms are government shills.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 09:28 PM

No one gives a shit.


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