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BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden

Don Firth 02 Jul 13 - 01:21 AM
Don Firth 01 Jul 13 - 11:05 PM
Songwronger 01 Jul 13 - 10:34 PM
Bobert 01 Jul 13 - 10:07 PM
Don Firth 01 Jul 13 - 10:00 PM
Songwronger 01 Jul 13 - 09:02 PM
McGrath of Harlow 01 Jul 13 - 08:58 PM
Don Firth 01 Jul 13 - 08:36 PM
Bill D 01 Jul 13 - 08:12 PM
Songwronger 01 Jul 13 - 07:54 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 01 Jul 13 - 02:04 PM
beardedbruce 01 Jul 13 - 02:03 PM
Don Firth 01 Jul 13 - 01:43 PM
skarpi 01 Jul 13 - 01:04 PM
Don Firth 30 Jun 13 - 06:19 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Jun 13 - 06:02 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 30 Jun 13 - 05:56 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Jun 13 - 05:28 PM
Songwronger 30 Jun 13 - 05:07 PM
Suzy Sock Puppet 29 Jun 13 - 07:45 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Jun 13 - 03:09 PM
Don Firth 29 Jun 13 - 02:34 PM
skarpi 29 Jun 13 - 02:13 PM
GUEST,Yeah fine, I'm crazy. 29 Jun 13 - 03:54 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Jun 13 - 03:45 AM
Don Firth 29 Jun 13 - 01:17 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Jun 13 - 12:08 AM
Don Firth 29 Jun 13 - 12:01 AM
Songwronger 28 Jun 13 - 09:14 PM
GUEST 28 Jun 13 - 08:27 PM
Bobert 28 Jun 13 - 08:27 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 28 Jun 13 - 08:23 PM
Bobert 28 Jun 13 - 08:00 PM
Don Firth 28 Jun 13 - 07:47 PM
skarpi 28 Jun 13 - 07:20 PM
Don Firth 28 Jun 13 - 06:48 PM
Songwronger 28 Jun 13 - 06:30 PM
Don Firth 28 Jun 13 - 03:41 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 28 Jun 13 - 12:03 AM
Songwronger 27 Jun 13 - 10:48 PM
skarpi 27 Jun 13 - 07:33 PM
GUEST 26 Jun 13 - 11:40 PM
GUEST 26 Jun 13 - 03:59 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 25 Jun 13 - 11:34 PM
number 6 25 Jun 13 - 10:40 PM
Don Firth 25 Jun 13 - 05:34 PM
akenaton 25 Jun 13 - 05:22 PM
Don Firth 25 Jun 13 - 03:40 PM
Don Firth 25 Jun 13 - 03:35 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 01:21 AM

Read the post up-thread by GUEST, guest at 11 Jun 13 - 07:25 PM, then read my post that immediately follows.

When people such as Beardedbruce stop scaremongering and others get tired of running around like headless chickens, try THIS: Spend some time on, say, Amazon, and look for a particular product or book. Or visit a political thread. Or almost ANY web site where they are trying to sell you stuff (including ideas).

Then—Notice the ADS that start appearing on the usual spots here on Mudcat. Or the pop-up ads on just about any web site you visit.

Then—Pay attention to the unsolicited telephone calls you get where someone is trying to sell you something.

As pointed out, businesses and advertisers and political parties have been collecting information on your communication habits for a long time.

All this information is already out there, being gathered, and used to profile you, especially your interests and buying habits, and it is being used to try to sell you stuff.

The genii is out of the bottle and has been for a long time.

Don Firth

P. S. By the way, this is an international phenomenon. Some time back I browse a couple of web sites in the U.K., looking at a particular lute-like musical instrument, and then bought a couple of song books from another British web site.

I'm still getting e-mails from the web sites I visited, and pop-up ads now and then that obviously come from other places in the British Isles interested in selling me similar goods.

The NSA is not going to take any interest in me unless I start communicating with known or suspected terrorists.

And NO, I don't like the idea that people are gathering information about me--but unless I live in a cave and communicate with no one, there is nothing I can do to prevent it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 11:05 PM

MY paranoia!!??

I think psychiatrists call that "projection."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Songwronger
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 10:34 PM

I'm not the desperate one, Mr. Firth. Skarpi had it pegged correctly when he talked about you watching for the men in black. Your paranoia has led you to support a surveillance police state. And what, exactly, do you think your "enemies" are so keen to take from you, anyway? Your freedoms? Is that why you're so willing to give up your freedoms, to protect your freedoms?


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 10:07 PM

If it gets to 1 in a 100 then we'll be the next Egypt... That would put 3,000,000 in the streets...

That's okay with me, mind you...

"It was a new day yesterday
it's an old day now"          (Jethro Tull)

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 10:00 PM

Songwronger, your desperation is showing.

You're right up there with Goofballupagus.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Songwronger
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 09:02 PM

Should we use daisy cutters on Iceland, Mr. Firth? What if the "metadata" shows that 1 in 100 in that country "may" be talking to "someone" with "possible" ties to an "alleged" terrorist organization? Should we then upgrade to nukes?


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 08:58 PM

The USA doesn't have enough NSA or FBI agents anywhere to 'spy' on people in Iceland... much less 40-50 other countries

True enough - but the logic of that in the modern world is to set up the machines to do it, which ultimately involves giving them the job of making the decisions, and determining how deep to dig into the metadata. It's the logic underlying drones. It's the logic of the Terminator scenario.

I remember reading 1984 and thinking the image of Big Brother is watching was a powerful one, but of course it would never be possible to have a watching eye judging everything ordinary people did, because of the sheer scale of the operation, and the number of watchers who would be needed. How wrong I was.   

The degree of surveillance is not limited by the technology, but only by decisions made to refrain from doing things that can be done - and the built-in instinct of security agencies is always liable to be to go for more surveillance.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 08:36 PM

Songwronger, for Crissake, go take a long walk off a short pier!

Your getting silly and tiresome!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 08:12 PM

"if NSA is spying and they did watch us here in Iceland ..then we must be under the terrorist hat ? right ..."

No...wrong... that simply breaks the rules of logic as a coherent argument. There is an **equivocation** on the word "watch" in it ...to go along with the equivocation on "spying". "Watch" as a term that means different things in different contexts can't just be tossed into a discussion as if it proves something!

You MUST realize the sense of word describing what the NSA 'may' be collecting... metadata... which simply means data about phone numbers or email contacts (not their content)which 'may' come from or go to a suspected terrorist. Then....*IF* a series of suspicious calls or contacts is noted, there can be a *court order* obtained to monitor the content.
The USA doesn't have enough NSA or FBI agents anywhere to 'spy' on people in Iceland... much less 40-50 other countries. We are talking hundreds of millions of calls, emails..etc. They are looking for METADATA... which 'may' lead them to a reason to 'spy' on a dozen suspicious links.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Songwronger
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 07:54 PM

Is that it, Mr. Firth? Do the men in black have you looking over your shoulder? Or is it men in black helicopters? You support drone bombing in Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan and so on, so you would support it in Iceland, yes? You would not "expect anything less of your government," yes? If Obomber sends a drone after Edward Snowden in Iceland, how many civilian deaths would be acceptable to you? As collateral damage, I mean. Is it OK to kill, say, fifty women and children to get Snowden? Twenty-five?


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 02:04 PM

Skarpi,

Don F said that the NSA had a right to watch terrorists.

He didn't say that they ONLY only watch terrorists, and wrong as it is to spy on friendly nations, it doesn't mean that you are evil, it says more about the evils of the NSA.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 02:03 PM

Unless, of course, it was a Republican administration- THEY were entirely wrong to do the same things that Obama does.Just look at any threads on the topic before 2008. And the same folks here defending Obama were demanding Bush's impeachment for far less.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 01:43 PM

Skarpi, I doubt very seriously that NSA is doing much spying on Iceland. It is not exactly known as a hotbed of terrorism, whereas many areas of the Middle East most certainly are. And there is the possibility of domestic terrorism right there in the U. S., for example, the bombings at the Boston Marathon.

You are seriously overreacting to the idea that the NSA is interested in YOUR personal communications.

ANY country—and that includes Iceland—has the right, indeed, the obligation, to attempt to keep its citizens safe from terrorist attacks.

If Iceland felt itself in serious danger of being the target of terrorist attacks, would you expect anything less of your government?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: skarpi
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 01:04 PM

well Don , you said that US has a right to watch terrorist´s ..well
if NSA is spying and they did watch us here in Iceland ..then we must be under the terrorist hat ? right ...

so I ask what on earth does NSA think that us the Icelandic people can do to USA ?? we don´t have army , we have very strong gun rules , and
even the police don´t walk with guns in their belts ?

what a hell is wrong with you in the USA . Good people in this world open your eyes and mind ..and stand up against these power greed-ing people
in US ...its getting to be a paranoia in their mind that all people are doing some thing bad to them ...shjæss....

how can you all walk the street´s without turning your head in every step you go ...watch out the men in black could be right behind you ...

I must be a lucky man who has been in this freedom all my live , on this Island ...

sorry all , I am off ...have a good time all of you :) . I have a live to live , hopefully without NSA .


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Jun 13 - 06:19 PM

Songwronger, I did NOT, at any time, call Skarpi a "terrorist," as you and your sycophants well know.

Why do you feel compelled to LIE? Is it some neurological condition over which you have no control?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Jun 13 - 06:02 PM

I post, "brilliantly ignorant, and too stupid to know it!
Thanks a lot!
...and look who shows up!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Jun 13 - 05:56 PM

""brilliantly ignorant, and too stupid to know it!
Thank a lot!
""

No convincing required in your case Goofus, you prove it a dozen times a day by doing the very things you pour scorn upon.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Jun 13 - 05:28 PM

I think they have become radical extremists, in trying to prove to everyone that they are 'tolerant, loving, open minded, so-called liberals'!

What a fucking joke!...especially when they tolerate nothing but their VERY closed and blocked minds. The truth is, if we listened to them, and adopted their wonderful brilliant minds, they'd convince us to be like them.... brilliantly ignorant, and too stupid to know it!
Thank a lot!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Songwronger
Date: 30 Jun 13 - 05:07 PM

I can't believe you called skarpi a terrorist, Mr. Firth. Shame, shame, shame.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 29 Jun 13 - 07:45 PM

Guest, you are funny!

"It's always interesting—and quite revealing—to know why certain people seem to be obsessed with a particular subject. Read enough of their stuff and the obsession becomes obvious. And it also becomes obvious how it warps their opinions."

Hmmm. Like the thread about the Woolwich incident? It took exactly four posts for it to become yet another "Those poor innocent law abiding Muslims! We sure hope none of this impacts them!" thread. Always the same people who drag it out forever. And then, after about the two thousandth post, one of the Muslim Defense League says, "This anti-Muslim rant has gone on long enough!" No way. Ya think? Bunch of obsessed crazies

Okay, so you do realize we are living in a world full of governments who do despicable things, right? That's why in a world where human rights abuses are rampant, the same obsessed group of anti-Semitic bastards go after Israel every chance they get. Those threads are about two thousand posts long as well.

Now, let's see. If I'm a little obsessed these days over the fact that most of our elected officials are wiping their asses with the Constitution, that's too goddamned bad isn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Jun 13 - 03:09 PM

Don Firth: "Where did you get the idea that I was accusing you of being a terrorist?"

Perhaps a terrifying finger-picking style, where he alternates between a wicked D9 aug 5th, and picking his nose, then plays slide, with his tongue, on a cold Icelandic night!

GfS

P.S...and doesn't even wipe his strings!..but uses them to floss with.
Terrifying!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Jun 13 - 02:34 PM

Skarpi, I did NOT say you were a terrorist. Don't be silly!

What I said is that the NSA would not be listening to your phone calls or reading your e=mail unless you were communicating with known terrorists.

Where did you get the idea that I was accusing you of being a terrorist?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: skarpi
Date: 29 Jun 13 - 02:13 PM

so now I am a terrorist ...thanks Don ..thanks a lot .

now I am a terrorist in two country´s UK and USA ...cool

never trust an Icelander...he is a terrorist ...


is this what you want , all the world up against you ..???


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Yeah fine, I'm crazy.
Date: 29 Jun 13 - 03:54 AM

You Don, on the other hand, are fine.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Jun 13 - 03:45 AM

Don: "And by the way, GoofuS, you ARE irrelevant/"

Why??..'Bigot' isn't getting you much mileage, anymore??

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Jun 13 - 01:17 AM

It's always interesting—and quite revealing—to know why certain people seem to be obsessed with a particular subject. Read enough of their stuff and the obsession becomes obvious. And it also becomes obvious how it warps their opinions.

And by the way, GoofuS, you ARE irrelevant/

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Jun 13 - 12:08 AM

Don Firth: "I regard race as irrelevant."

Yeah, probably true!.....He only calls people 'bigots' to divert people's attention away from a topic, and to hide the fact that he is losing an argument so he needs to play on 'so-called' liberal's biases.....the rest is irrelevant!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Jun 13 - 12:01 AM

I'm not the racist here, Songwronger.

And although I am aware that Barack Obama is of mixed race, there are people who maintain that a person who is as little as one-sixteenth black, is "black."

I regard race as irrelevant.

Unlike some people here!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Songwronger
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 09:14 PM

Here's some more news about how the federal government is "defending" us:

JW Obtains Records Detailing Obama Administration's Warrantless Collection of Citizens' Personal Financial Data

June 27, 2013

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch announced today that it has obtained records from the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) revealing that the agency has spent millions of dollars for the warrantless collection and analysis of Americans' financial transactions. The documents also reveal that CFPB contractors may be required to share the information with "additional government entities."

•An "indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity" contract with Experian worth up to $8,426,650 to track daily consumer habits of select individuals without their awareness or consent.

•A stipulation that "The Contractor may be required to share credit card data collected from the Banks with additional government entities as directed by the Contracting Officer's Representative (COR)."

http://www.judicialwatch.org./press-room/press-releases/jw-obtains-records-detailing-obama-administrations-warrantless-collectio

How much unconstitutional surveillance are you Obamaniacs going to tolerate?

Skarpi has a good point about the scope of the NSA's crimes. The orgization is called the NATIONAL Security Agency, so why is it spying overseas? He has a right to be outraged. What's surprising is that more people in the U.S. aren't outraged. Obama and the NSA are pissing on the Fourth Amendment.

And I set up a perfectly good thread for you to indulge your racist asides, Mr. Firth. Please use it. And please stop calling Obama black. He is mixed race. They taught that in your Obama Indoctrination class.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 08:27 PM

Both of you should reread the following, because NSA hasn't.

http://constitutionus.com/


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 08:27 PM

Sure...

Everyone has a right to "defend" themselves... The operative word here is "defend"...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 08:23 PM

Don Firth:"Don't you believe that a country has the right--the obligation--to keep it's citizens safe from terrorist attacks?"

Bobert: "What Don said..."


Israel too???

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 08:00 PM

What Don said...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 07:47 PM

Don't you believe that a country has the right--the obligation--to keep it's citizens safe from terrorist attacks?

If Reykjavík had suffered a terrorist attack like New York did in 2001, how would you feel then?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: skarpi
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 07:20 PM

what ever .....USA is loosing my respect ....:( ...


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 06:48 PM

Obviously, Scarpi, Songwronger does not speak for me. His whole intention is to put the President in as bad a light as he can. And at the same time, to denigrate those (such as myself) who don't share his hatred for President Obama.

Mr. Snowden is NOT going to be killed in a "drone attack" in Iceland or anywhere else. And what Songwronger calls "drone murders" is the killing of enemy (terrorist) combatants in Afghanistan. There have been no such attacks in the United States, nor will there be in Iceland or any other country that is not conducting hostile attacks against the United States.

ANY country has the right take whatever actions it needs to, to protect itself and its citizens from military or terrorist attacks.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Songwronger
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 06:30 PM

A whole day and no Obama supporter has given skarpi a cogent answer? Pitiful.

Is Obama going by international laws by spying on the world ??

No. He is violating international law. He is also violating the laws of the United States. He is a criminal. He has to be stopped. Americans try to stop his lawless behavior, but the courts refuse to hear the cases.

what right have NSA to spy on me or the Icelandic nation or UK or Norway ...? who asked USA to be a world wide police ?

The NSA does not have the right. Their actions violate our constitution and our laws. Americans try to stop the lawless behavior, but the courts won't hear the cases. And the bank called Goldman Sachs asked the USA to be the world police. That bank owns the world and needs an army, and the USA is it.

So who is going to take Obama to international court and the NSA ?

As I said, the courts in the US will not challenge Obama, so any challenges need to come from international courts. Good luck. Goldman Sachs owns most of them too.

Obama's cult following has lost touch with reality. They think good is bad and bad is good. Witness Don Firth. He's been completely brainwashed to support whatever the government does. He is a typical Obama supporter.

And if Obama kills Mr. Snowden with a drone attack in Iceland, Mr. Firth will support the action. He already supports drone murders in the Middle East, so why not in Iceland? Do you see the depth of the insanity we're trying to deal with in the US?


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 03:41 PM

Skarpi, the NSA is not "spying on the world."

In order to prevent any further terrorist attacks such as the "9/11" attacks, when radical Muslim terrorists hijacked airliners and flew them into the World Trade Center buildings in New York, and into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the U.S. Department of Defense, in which two of the tallest buildings in the world were reduced to rubble, and over 3,000 people were killed, the NSA (National Security Agency) is monitoring communications throughout the world, particularly between known or suspected terrorists and terrorist organizations.

This program was begun before Barack Obama became President of the United States and it has been going on for some time. It has prevented a number of terrorist attacks in which many more thousands of people could have been killed.

People on this thread such as Songwronger, Beardedbruce, and Guest from Sanity hate President Obama and blame him for anything and everything they can think of. The reason for such hatred is open to speculation, but since Obama is a Liberal president and they seem to favor the Conservative view, naturally they object to anything he does—plus the fact that Obama is a black man, and some people, such as they, become very angry at the thought of a black man in a position of authority. (They will deny it, of course.)

Rest assured that NSA is NOT listening in on your private telephone conversations or reading your e-mail. If the records they do collect show that you are regularly communicating with known terrorists or terrorist groups, then yes, they would listen in—for good reasons.

And be aware that the United States is not the only country that is seeking to protect itself and its people from terrorist attacks, as they have every right to do.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 12:03 AM

Skarpi: "Is Obama going by international laws by spying on the world ??"

Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Jun 13 - 01:58 PM

Q: "I would feel threatened if the NSA and sister operations here in Canada were restricted."

Do you really think that Canada needs a sister operation??..More than likely, the NSA has it all covered...Canada too!

GfS

P.S. This is only an opinion......an educated one...but, nonetheless, an opinion.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Songwronger
Date: 27 Jun 13 - 10:48 PM

skarpi is waiting for an answer, people. I think one of you Obama supporters should answer him. Tell him how he has nothing to worry about if he has nothing to hide. Tell him that Obama has the right to kill anyone he wants with drones. Go ahead.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: skarpi
Date: 27 Jun 13 - 07:33 PM

I have a wonder , in the news tonight Obama said all internation had to go
by national law and turn Snowden in ....

Is Obama going by international laws by spying on the world ??

I don´t think so , and what right have NSA to spy on me or the Icelandic nation or UK or Norway ...? who asked USA to be a world wide police ? A big brother ?? not me or any one I know .

So who is going to take Obama to international court and the NSA ?

just a wonder on a rainy night in the north Atlantic


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 11:40 PM

Some of the online discussions regarding this situation are more informative and less polemic than this site.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 03:59 AM

"Liberals my arse!...purely enablers for an increasingly Fascist regime."

Ake, for once we agree old friend.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 11:34 PM

If you're thinking I'm in agreement with you, well, I scrolled back to find out where..and the only thing I could find was.

GfS: "P.S....but in agreeing with you..   RE: BS: The NSA Scandal"

That was in reference to:

Don Firth: "P. S. By the way, aren't you the one who keeps bitching about people drifting the thread topic?"

well, if you hang on my every word and nuance, shit, you might learn something...but with all those new found fingers, you can hold your nose, cover your eyes, have a couple left over for your ears and nose, as well...and then you're back to ground zero...listening only to the crap in your own head!....hell, if you keep them there long enough, you might not be typing so much off the wall misinformation....that being said...we really should go back to the topic, as per aforementioned....you and Akenaton are gettin' on a roll.

RE: BS: The NSA Scandal

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: number 6
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 10:40 PM

the following is from the 1967/68 series the Prisoner ..

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Number Two: Why did you resign?

The Prisoner: For peace.

Number Two: For peace?

The Prisoner: Now let me out.

Number Two: You resigned for peace?

The Prisoner: Yes. Let me out.

Number Two: You're a fool.

The Prisoner: For peace of mind.

Number Two: What?

The Prisoner: For peace of mind!

Number Two: Why?

The Prisoner: Because too many people know too much.

Number Two: Never!

The Prisoner: I know too much!

Number Two: Tell me.

The Prisoner: I know too much about you!
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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 05:34 PM

Ake, I didn't say that I LIKE it.

But it's THERE, and there's not a damned thing I can do about it.

But as I have said repeatedly on this thread, everybody and his brother's pet chicken ALREADY HAS that information, so what difference does it make?

None that I can see.

And that doesn't have anything to do with being a Liberal. It's just a recognition of what already IS.

Don Firth

P. S. And by the way:   if I were inclined, I think I can contrive to communicate with others without anyone else knowing what we talked about, or even that the conversation to place. A little ingenuity. . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 05:22 PM

Don you may not have anything you wish to hide from Mr Obama's administration, but i have been a radical all my life and can think of many types of government which I would oppose strongly and would not wish to have eavsdrop on my personal conversations.

This covert surveillance by of the population by govenment is Orwellian in concept....and surely unconstitutional.

We do not have access at the moment to the private conversations of others nor should we have, you call yourselves liberals yet condone government intrusion into the private lives of the whole population without a whimper of protest
Liberals my arse!...purely enablers for an increasingly Fascist regime.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 03:40 PM

Goofy, when you say that you're agreeing with me about the NSA Scandal, I assume that you're agreeing that since everybody already has everybody else's personal information, why shouldn't the Government as well, especially when the idea is to forestall terrorist attacks.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 03:35 PM

If I had enough fingers to enumerate my I.Q. score, Goofball, it would make it very awkward to play the guitar. My left hand would be many times wider than the fingerboard is long. Not practical.

But give me a honking cathedral organ with five or more manuals and several banks of stops and I'd be Hell on Wheels!!

If you have as many digits as your I.Q. score, well, at least you could still pick your nose. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 03:24 PM

Well, you're right!..mark your calender and make a national holiday for it....but nobody answered my last question, either....here, let me go get it.....OK, back..OK..My question was to this comment: "By the way, "Gave his information to the American people..."

and the question was, "Did any Americans on here see any of it??"

Now as to answering YOUR questions, sometimes you say I don't answer them, because I didn't see that you asked one..and I'll ask you to re-post them, and you don't..because sometimes I don't see the question...such as....in you very last post, you said, "Especially when you're trying to dodge answering a direct question you've been asked?"

Now look carefully, .........that is NOT a question...it is a commentary sentence that you just put a question mark after!...

Oh well, back to counting your on fingers to remember your IQ....assuming your fingers do what your mind tells them to do!

Here's winkin' at ya'!

GfS

P.S....but in agreeing with you..   RE: BS: The NSA Scandal


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