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BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden

Songwronger 07 Jul 13 - 11:38 PM
Bobert 07 Jul 13 - 10:26 PM
Songwronger 07 Jul 13 - 10:08 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 06 Jul 13 - 09:59 PM
Mrrzy 06 Jul 13 - 09:56 PM
McGrath of Harlow 06 Jul 13 - 09:20 PM
GUEST 06 Jul 13 - 08:44 PM
McGrath of Harlow 06 Jul 13 - 08:41 PM
Greg F. 06 Jul 13 - 04:09 PM
Bobert 06 Jul 13 - 03:48 PM
Don Firth 06 Jul 13 - 03:28 PM
skarpi 06 Jul 13 - 02:07 PM
GUEST,SJL 06 Jul 13 - 01:44 PM
GUEST,SJL 06 Jul 13 - 01:12 PM
number 6 06 Jul 13 - 08:07 AM
GUEST 06 Jul 13 - 03:08 AM
GUEST 06 Jul 13 - 02:28 AM
GUEST 06 Jul 13 - 02:24 AM
Songwronger 05 Jul 13 - 10:50 PM
Songwronger 05 Jul 13 - 10:44 PM
Songwronger 05 Jul 13 - 10:41 PM
number 6 05 Jul 13 - 10:06 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 04 Jul 13 - 05:50 PM
GUEST,SJL 04 Jul 13 - 05:28 PM
GUEST 04 Jul 13 - 10:00 AM
GUEST 04 Jul 13 - 09:02 AM
number 6 04 Jul 13 - 08:16 AM
GUEST 04 Jul 13 - 08:14 AM
number 6 04 Jul 13 - 07:50 AM
GUEST 04 Jul 13 - 07:24 AM
Songwronger 03 Jul 13 - 11:44 PM
number 6 03 Jul 13 - 10:28 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 03 Jul 13 - 10:16 PM
Bobert 03 Jul 13 - 09:40 PM
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GUEST 03 Jul 13 - 04:44 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: Songwronger
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 11:38 PM

Snowden committed no crime. He upheld his oath to the constitution. He blew the whistle on criminals.

And parse Marbury v Madison all you want, but the bottom line in the ruling is that a law which violates the constitution is void. Obama's bogus FISA courts, which are used to grant power to the NSA to violate the Fourth Amendment, are illegal institutions.

If you hate the U.S. constitution so much, why don't you move to a country with one more in line with your totalitarian inclinations?

And why do you harp on Snowden's youth and lack of higher education? I guess you can't honestly fault what he did, so you try to fault him. Drummer boy. lol. I think you have a kind of penis envy. You got loaded and stumbled down to bang your drum in the Occupy the O-zone fiasco, where thousands were milled around in circles and defused by the Obama machine, and now one man, on his own, has managed to create fundamental shifts in the world's thinking. Must be frustrating, in a dick-sizing sort of way.

I think there's a possibility that Snowden is still an operative carrying out a mission, because of the global ramifications we're now seeing, but I'm glad he did what he did. At least now we're more informed about the extent of the NSA's spying. On the downside, he didn't reveal anything of real value, and the story pushed Obama's other scandals aside.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 10:26 PM

Snowden is a nihilistic, egotistical punk who deserves life in prison... Hope he likes his life in Venezuela...

Federalism ain't a new concept... Goes back to Marbury v. Madison... That's been over 200 years...

What that means is that, unlike the thoughts of John C. Calhoun, VP under Andrew Jackson, federal law super-succeeds states and 29 year old high school drop out wackos from thinking they have some right to commit treason???

Beam me up, Scotty... Wacko Nation is taking over...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: Songwronger
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 10:08 PM

Demonstrations held against NSA spying, persecution of Snowden

Demonstrations were held in over 100 cities throughout the United States on Thursday in opposition to the illegal and unconstitutional spying programs revealed by whistleblower Edward Snowden.

The "Restore the Fourth" movement, which began on the aggregator site Reddit and describes itself as a "non-partisan, non-violent movement," organized demonstrations on July Fourth, US Independence Day, in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, Boston, Seattle, Memphis, Miami, and many other cities.

The movement takes its name from the Fourth Amendment, which upholds the right of citizens to be free from "unreasonable searches and seizures" of their "persons, houses, papers, and effects," without the issuing of a specific warrant based upon probable cause.

In New York City, several hundred people participated in the protest. As is now usual for any protest of any size in New York City, the marchers were trailed by New York City Police Department (NYPD) vans and motorcycles as well as officers with bundles of plastic handcuffs.

Many carried signs calling for a halt to NSA spying on the American people. Some carried hand-made signs that read "This is 2013 not 1984" and "Stop spying on us. Protect whistleblowers!" Others associated the abridgment of Fourth Amendment rights by the Obama Administration with the NYPD's aggressive stop-and-frisk program, in which hundreds thousands of largely minority youth are searched without cause by police each year....

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/07/06/four-j06.html


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 09:59 PM

McGrath of Harlow: "I'm sure the NSA would know the identify of anonymous GUEST there, so why not share it with us, or at least adopt a pseudonym so as to avoid being confused with other equally confused GUESTS?"

Yeah, Bruce..Go ahead...it's cool!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 09:56 PM

Still trying to figure -hero or goat...


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 09:20 PM

I'm sure the NSA would know the identify of anonymous GUEST there, so why not share it with us, or at least adopt a pseudonym so as to avoid being confused with other equally confused GUESTS?

In another thread I suggested that one way to get to a country ready to provide refuge for Mr Snowden might be to travel by a ship guaranteed not to call in on any countries prepared to cooperate with the US government in it's pursuit of a whistleblower. However though boarding such a ship in international waters would be an act of piracy it might be foolish to assume the US government would necessarily be deterred by that consideration.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 08:44 PM

The problem with being Snowden is where do you go now where everybody in the world doesn't know who you are? And all these people regarding him as a hero are just phantoms. They stand on the sidelines and cheer him on but like hell if they're going to get their hands dirty for him. "After all, it was his choice to reveal his country's legal surveillance operations to the world. I mean, he's a great hero for doing that but like hell if I'm going to stick my neck out for him. Poor Eddy, I hope he gets asylum soon, so anyway what's on the tube tonight? Oh, THE VOICE! My favorite!" That's what all this hero worship is doing for him--nothing. They'll lick his ass in print but they won't lift a finger for him in the real world. they're loving this soap opera too much to really give a shit how it turns out. I think deep down beyond those anything-not-American-is-politically-correct and/or I-hate-all-things-Obama filters they have vetting what info they allow into their brains, I think they all know perfectly this guy is a flaming idiot. There is no way they'd ever do what he did. Why? "Because I'm not stupid! Er---I mean, because I'm not that brave!"

And those hero-worshipers that are not American would be properly infuriated if one of their countrymen revealed a legal surveillance program which could result in a bombing or other terrorist act succeeding within their borders. They'd be screaming, "Bloody fucking traitor!" at this asshole.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 08:41 PM

"Responsible" whistleblowing is only possible if the people on whom you blow the whistle aren't in a position you lock you up and silence you.

You couldn't 'responsibly' blow the whistle on the Stasi in East Germany. And basically that's what we've got today with the National Security Administration and it's overseas franchises.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 04:09 PM

"Nullification" has been around a long, long time You bet, Bobert - & its alive and well in Texas today.

And it was the same nullification BS that brought on the (Un)Civil War.

Calhoun was an asshole of the first water.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 03:48 PM

"Nullification" has been around a long, long time... John C. Calhoun quit the vice presidency over it... He felt that anything that the federal government did could be ignored by anyone who didn't like it...

This was supposed to have been decided 20 years before his quitting with the case of Marbury v. Madison in which the Supreme Court pretty much said that federal law was the law of the land and not a menu from which to pick and chose...

Whistle blowing can be done responsibly and irresponsibly... Snowden picked the later and now Eddie is finding that his future ain't going to be so bright after all... I mean, he may be a hero for a while in Venezuela but they ain't going to let him freeload off them and when he goes to work he's going to find that the standard of living that he is accustomed to is going to be out of reach...

BTW, do you think that Venezuela is going to let Eddie near their secrets??? Hahaha...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 03:28 PM

Musket:   "Finding out that governments spy on each other and being shocked is similar to finding out Santa Claus was your dad after all."

Right!

This whole thing is a tempest in a chamber pot. Where in blazes have you people been during—at LEAST—the past sixty years? The United States had an organization during World War II called the "Office of Strategic Services" (OSS). Great Britain, and for that matter, Germany and Japan had their equivalent organizations, the purpose of which was to find out what the other guys were up to.

The U. S. and Great Britain were allies of the Soviet Union during the latter part of World War II, but when that relationship went pear-shaped and the "Cold War" began, the OSS morphed into the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Britain had its equivalent spook organization, as did the Soviet Union, again, to poke around and try to find out what the other guys were up to.

And at the same time, there was plenty of domestic spying going on. Following a concert here in 1954 by Pete Seeger, the recently formed Pacific Northwest Folklore Society folded up because it suddenly became a focus of interest of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and many people on the organization's mailing list panicked and had their names withdrawn. I, myself, was visited by a couple of men in grey suits and red neckties, wanting to know who was where and when.

The Pacific Northwest Folklore Society was reorganized a few years ago and so far, no one has accused the organization of any kind of political taint.

But for those who are shocked and surprised by the idea that governments spy on each other, novelists like John Le Carré (Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy; The Spy Who Came in from the Cold; Smiley's People; many others), Ian Fleming (Casino Royal, From Russia with Love, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, many others), (Len Deighton (The Ipcress File, Funeral in Berlin), many novels by Graham Greene, Robert Ludlum, Tom Clancy, Frederick Forsythe. . . .

Not to mention the huge number of very popular movies based on these novels.

These novels and movies might have been fictional, but the kind of activity that they were based on was actually going on!!

AND IT STILL IS!

Get real, folks!!

Ed Snowden's big crime is that he upped and blabbed about something that everybody knows is going on, but nobody wants to talk about!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: skarpi
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 02:07 PM

well Snowden asked for citizen right here in Iceland ....
but my Government is a BIG CHICKEN .... and no for now anyway ...

CHICKEN CHICKEN CHICKEN CHICKEN CHICKEN .....


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 01:44 PM

Insulting the prez of Bolivia. Wow. What's our next brilliant move? I can't believe they did that.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 01:12 PM

It does. And things are looking up for Mr. Snowden.

I feel so much better now. Something had to give.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: number 6
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 08:07 AM

GUEST ... that article from the Guardian says it all ... thanks for sharing it.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 03:08 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/05/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-spy


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 02:28 AM

"Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them."

George Orwell, 1984


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jul 13 - 02:24 AM

Just follow the script.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: Songwronger
Date: 05 Jul 13 - 10:50 PM

I just noticed something....

When I began this thread, I called it "The NSA Scandal." Now it's called "The NSA Scandal/Snowden."

This is an example of shifting focus from the worst crime against the U.S. constitution in our HISTORY, to the plight of one man. See how that works?

Whichever moderator is responsible for the name change should be ashamed. Why would you act to mitigate the crimes of the NSA? What could you possibly hope to gain from that? Pathetic.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: Songwronger
Date: 05 Jul 13 - 10:44 PM

An open letter from Ed Snowden's father


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: Songwronger
Date: 05 Jul 13 - 10:41 PM

The government-controlled media in the U.S. is demonizing Snowden and turning the incident into something akin to the hunt for bin Laden.

This is intentional, being done to divert attention from two things:

1) Snowden simply carried out his oath to protect and defend the U.S. constitution when he blew the whistle. He saw the constitution being violated and acted to protect it.

2) The NSA broke the law, not Snowden. But the media is not discussing the NSA's lawless behavior.

As long as the story is about Edward Snowden, the government will not have to answer for its criminal behavior.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: number 6
Date: 05 Jul 13 - 10:06 PM

Good news

Venezuela and Nicaragua

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Jul 13 - 05:50 PM

Guest (who still won't post his NSA name): "And how much crow will you be eating if it turns out that Snowden is some rightwing conservative think tank's agent provocateur?"
In fact, I'll rephrase it: "And how much crow will you be eating WHEN it turns out that Snowden is some rightwing conservative think tank's agent provocateur?"

Or maybe we're hoping the other countries WILL download his laptops into their systems!!....Who knows?..The possibilities are wide open.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 04 Jul 13 - 05:28 PM

Bolivia caved today. This is like the Twilight Zone.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jul 13 - 10:00 AM

Come on. I want an answer to my question. I'll state it again:

"And how much crow will you be eating if it turns out that Snowden is some rightwing conservative think tank's agent provocateur?"

In fact, I'll rephrase it: "And how much crow will you be eating WHEN it turns out that Snowden is some rightwing conservative think tank's agent provocateur?"

Don't tell me--you KNEW it all along!! They didn't fool you!


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jul 13 - 09:02 AM

Ain't that the truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: number 6
Date: 04 Jul 13 - 08:16 AM

Guest ... Harper and the Americanization of Canada

biLL   ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jul 13 - 08:14 AM

Good to see you, biLL. And not one word from Harper.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: number 6
Date: 04 Jul 13 - 07:50 AM

Good one Guest !

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jul 13 - 07:24 AM

Lotsa shit got left in the dirt. The regulars don't discuss how much Obama follows Bush's policies. New boss same as the old boss.

"Oh we're meeting at the courthouse at eight o'clock tonight
You just come in the door and take the first turn to the right
Be careful when you get there, we'd hate to be bereft
But we're taking down the names of everybody turning left"


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: Songwronger
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 11:44 PM

Amid a growing diplomatic storm, the Bolivian president, Evo Morales, has been allowed to fly out of Vienna, but only after a 12-hour interruption during which his plane was stopped and searched for the whistleblower Edward Snowden.

South American leaders have reacted with fury to the forced diversion of the plane, which was on its way back from Moscow where Morales had been attending talks on energy issues.

Bolivian officials accused France, Portugal, Spain and Italy of withdrawing permission for the plane to pass through their airspace, prompting the unscheduled stop in Vienna.

Bolivia's ambassador to the UN, Sacha Llorenti, said Austria's decision to search the aircraft was an act of aggression and a violation of international law, according to Reuters.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/03/bolivian-president-evo-morales-austria-plane

Snowden is the new bin Laden, or Where's Waldo? The massive crimes of the NSA aren't being discussed, just Where's Snowden? Bait and switch.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: number 6
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 10:28 PM

Very interesting ...
   
   The NSA comes recruiting

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 10:16 PM

Bobert: "He had other options... Lots... He ignored them because he wanted to be famous..."

Oh?..He told you that when you spoke to him last?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 09:40 PM

Eddie has messed his pants bad here...

He had other options... Lots... He ignored them because he wanted to be famous...

Now he is...

Too bad, Eddie...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 09:27 PM

"We won't be scrambling jets to get to a 29 year old hacker."

Really? Liar, liar pants on fire! As usual...

Look at this!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23160309


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 04:44 PM

>>>Ego? Are you referring to Mr. Snowden?<<<

Yes.

>>>Not sure about that.<<<

It takes an enormous ego to do what he's doing. Every time he opens his mouth, he proves it.

>>>There are a lot of people in this world who yearn to make a stand, make a difference- but who are also justifiably terrified than an oppressive government will put them in prison for life. Generation X have no taste for martyrdom. They are not Nelson Mandela.<<<

And neither is Snowden, for crissakes.

>>>Someone was saying in another thread, I think it was Grishka, that there is a distinction to be made between governments and people. All the world's governments have sided with one another against Snowden. The elite of the world will pack up to look out for their mutual interests - money, power. Their consensus represents their interests, not ours. Accordingly, they will make certain that any upstart who publicly denounces government secrecy and spying and backs it up with exposure is debilitated and disgraced. Easily done when so few are willing to challenge.

Yet Snowden has many many supporters (and many who did initially but then quickly abandoned him when the going got tough) who are now watching helplessly as his ship goes town. And the lesson to be taken away is that if you defy the United States, there is literally nowhere you can seek asylum. This knowledge is one more nail in the coffin.<<<

And how much crow will you be eating if it turns out that Snowden is some rightwing conservative think tank's agent provocateur? His story is so fishy it's sprouting gills and scales. A high school dropout hired as a security guard suddenly gets promoted as an analyst who, in only three months with a low-level security clearance, has amassed 4 laptops worth of secret intelligence on our secret intelligence at which point he suddenly decides to reveal it and just walks out of HQ with this stuff in hand? And his girlfriend is straight out of a far right conservative's book on how to stereotype a lefty liberal--a pole dancer who writes like Carlos Castenada on acid. I'm going to wait a LONG while before I decide to throw my lot in with this kook.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal/Snowden
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 04:25 PM

Hero or goat?

I say hero, especially what with the spying not only on all of us but on the EU and UN too.

If goat, actual traitor or just contract-breaker?


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Subject: RE: BS: Whistleblower Snowden
From: GUEST,Musket sans whistle
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 03:58 PM

Not sure that "we" have a view.

My view however is two fold.

1. Obama returned the other day from South Africa praising Mandela and Co for pointing out the issues with apartheid government.

2. He is hell bent on getting his hands on his own commentators of American double standards.

3. Finding out that governments spy on each other and being shocked is similar to finding out Santa Claus was your dad after all.

Make that three fold in case my "friends" find the thread and point out my technical fault.


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Subject: BS: Whistleblower Snowden
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 03:45 PM

I'm surprised that this case hasn't been raised here before ( or has it? )
What sort of press is this story getting in the States.
An article in today's UK's Guardian newspaper (see below) contains a blistering attack on the treatment of Snowden by America ... and Europe!
What do we think?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/03/america-persecution-whistleblowers-constitution


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 05:55 AM

Ego? Are you referring to Mr. Snowden? Not sure about that. There are a lot of people in this world who yearn to make a stand, make a difference- but who are also justifiably terrified than an oppressive government will put them in prison for life. Generation X have no taste for martyrdom. They are not Nelson Mandela.

Someone was saying in another thread, I think it was Grishka, that there is a distinction to be made between governments and people. All the world's governments have sided with one another against Snowden. The elite of the world will pack up to look out for their mutual interests - money, power. Their consensus represents their interests, not ours. Accordingly, they will make certain that any upstart who publicly denounces government secrecy and spying and backs it up with exposure is debilitated and disgraced. Easily done when so few are willing to challenge.

Yet Snowden has many many supporters (and many who did initially but then quickly abandoned him when the going got tough) who are now watching helplessly as his ship goes town. And the lesson to be taken away is that if you defy the United States, there is literally nowhere you can seek asylum. This knowledge is one more nail in the coffin.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 12:00 AM

That guy has to have the hugest ego.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 11:56 PM

Indeed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 05:47 PM

Stick a fork in Edward Snowden because he is so done. It makes me sad for a couple of different reasons, least of which would be his personal dilemma.

Looks like we are stuck with government secrecy and spying. No point in even talking about it anymore. It will come back to bite...


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 11:54 AM

Try this

gfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 09:24 AM

Ok. Try it this way:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/we-never-hand-anyone-over-says-vladimir-putin-as-edward-snowden-asks-for-asylum-8682507.html


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 08:59 AM

SJL: Your link doesn't work.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 08:27 AM

Very Interesting


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 07:21 AM

I'm with you skarpi. People trying to sell you things is a lot different than the government collecting your data for a rainy day.


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: skarpi
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 03:15 AM

Dear Don , yes NSA did spy on some people here in Iceland we know that know , and yes people of Iceland would like to have Snowden here in Iceland , why not thank you Snowden to tell the world about NSA doing bad job .

Wikileaks yes they are here also and thanks to them a lot of things have come up and out to us the people of the world , Don we don´t have army and maybe we don´t understand the need to spy , well spy on terrorist´s that you know are terrorist , but common people , why spy on them ? like NSA did here in Reykjavík , and just so you know the FBI stopped by in Reykjavík and arrested one young man and took him away, it was in our new s as well it got all the way to our Alţingi-(parlament) , No one asked you in the USA to be a World police Big Brother ..


The End is near for America the disclosure in near .

well Don , just so you know I am not angry at you , I am angry at your
Government , and now the EU is angry at them as well :) . just be thankful you don´t yet have the same problem as in Egypt .
well that s all for this morning . kv Skarpi


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Subject: RE: BS: The NSA Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 01:56 AM

Oh! By the way.

The only "men in black" I have ever encountered have been either at the opera or at symphony concerts. They're wearing tuxedoes.

Or the time I sang a concert at St. Martin's College south of Seattle. The college was run by Benedictine monks.

. . . very sinister. . . .

Don Firth


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