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BS: Why was this thread closed?

ranger1 09 May 13 - 09:30 PM
gnu 09 May 13 - 08:59 PM
kendall 09 May 13 - 07:53 PM
gnu 09 May 13 - 02:21 PM
beardedbruce 09 May 13 - 01:31 PM
The Sandman 09 May 13 - 01:20 PM
gnu 09 May 13 - 01:07 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 09 May 13 - 12:44 PM
kendall 09 May 13 - 07:59 AM
gnu 09 May 13 - 06:46 AM
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Q (Frank Staplin) 08 May 13 - 07:46 PM
kendall 08 May 13 - 07:41 PM
The Sandman 08 May 13 - 04:24 PM
gnu 08 May 13 - 03:30 PM
gnu 08 May 13 - 07:54 AM
kendall 08 May 13 - 06:40 AM
GUEST,TIA 07 May 13 - 11:05 PM
gnu 07 May 13 - 09:14 PM
gnu 07 May 13 - 08:57 PM
Steve Shaw 07 May 13 - 08:23 PM
jacqui.c 07 May 13 - 07:56 PM
Jeri 07 May 13 - 04:04 PM
gnu 07 May 13 - 03:43 PM
Stilly River Sage 07 May 13 - 03:27 PM
jacqui.c 07 May 13 - 03:25 PM
kendall 07 May 13 - 03:21 PM
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Q (Frank Staplin) 07 May 13 - 01:06 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 07 May 13 - 12:41 PM
MartinRyan 07 May 13 - 10:48 AM
Stilly River Sage 07 May 13 - 10:16 AM
Will Fly 07 May 13 - 08:54 AM
The Sandman 07 May 13 - 08:44 AM
GUEST,musket sans sans 07 May 13 - 03:47 AM
John MacKenzie 07 May 13 - 03:42 AM
Megan L 07 May 13 - 02:30 AM
Backwoodsman 07 May 13 - 01:40 AM
Ebbie 06 May 13 - 09:45 PM
Bill D 06 May 13 - 08:48 PM
kendall 06 May 13 - 07:55 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: ranger1
Date: 09 May 13 - 09:30 PM

Yeah, well, I like Bruce. He may exasperate me, but I like him. The jury is still out on you, GSS.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 13 - 08:59 PM

Well, I taste it all and judge for myself and not for anyone else. There are none so deaf as those who will not listen. Errrr sommat like that.

gnightgnu


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: kendall
Date: 09 May 13 - 07:53 PM

BB has good taste in music, and thats a plus here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 13 - 02:21 PM

NObody wanted to get rid of him. SOME thought his opinion was incorrect, should have been posted to one of the latest of many threads on the topic and that he and others are sadly misinformed or influenced by whatever may be the case.

I am given, in part, to see the thread drift as a form of protest in fine form. Certainly more polite than MY usual form of protest and far more enjoyable both for readers and for me. After all, ya knows da girls I goes wit, eh? When someone spews gobshit, dem lasses kin swear like yer bayman longlinin fuckall inna punt on rough wa'er inna snow in Febwary mont zir!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 May 13 - 01:31 PM

Hardly, GSS.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 May 13 - 01:20 PM

anyway we got rid of beared bruce


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 13 - 01:07 PM

"radion" Hahahaa. Good typo given what's on most of the time!

Monotony. I dare say you haven't heard any good rap songs. Right off the top of my head, Angel of the Morning... the original, the rap version by Shaggy and the the bluegrass cover of the rap version by The Cleverlys are ALL good. The bluegrass cover is my favourite... then again, I am biased as I am partial to awesome talent.

Q... eh?

Eh?
HE SAID YER DEAF!
Then how come I can hear him?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 May 13 - 12:44 PM

Poor man! I do believe gnu is going deaf.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: kendall
Date: 09 May 13 - 07:59 AM

Rap= monotony.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 13 - 06:46 AM

Hmmm... what did he say?

I think he said that us old folks haven't got the time to listen to twenty rap "songs" to find one good one. Yeah, I think that's what he said.

Matter of fact, I would have simply dismissed Eminem as more of the same crap until I noticed he had a hit movie and won a Grammy as best rapper or whatever they call it. As well, I flick the radio around the dial (buttons? screen!) like a fly flits on the inside of a window and some of the rap on popular variety radion is good... it has to be to get air time. I like, at most, a few dozen rap tunes IF there is actual use of voice and instrumantation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 08 May 13 - 08:29 PM

Q... no. It is allowing the music to progress. Rap, for the most part is crap. It will get sorted. Perhaps us old folk just have less patience with the bullshit side of things on accounta we don't have a lotta time left? Then again, who does?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 May 13 - 07:46 PM

Kendall, rap music is turning the clock back to the UGH days. And there is Bieber or whatever his name is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: kendall
Date: 08 May 13 - 07:41 PM

Everything, including language, evolves. If it didn't, we would all be in a cave somewhere saying UGH at each other.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 May 13 - 04:24 PM

We have really everything in common with America nowadays, except, of course, language. —Oscar Wilde,


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 08 May 13 - 03:30 PM

Ever notice that when spring comes, posts fall off and when summer is getting underway there are even fewer? Kinda heartwarming in a way. If my health was better, you wouldn't be reading such drivel from the likes of me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 08 May 13 - 07:54 AM

Variety is spice eh? I didn't even mention Bach or... BANJO!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: kendall
Date: 08 May 13 - 06:40 AM

Gnu, you certainly have a broad range of musical taste!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 07 May 13 - 11:05 PM

Jeri!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Make it hapn capn!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 07 May 13 - 09:14 PM

BTW... before I am assailed for liking rap. I do not. I like SOME rap. If anything is poetic or has a message, I appreciate it whether on page or in performace by an artist. I PREFER actual songs in performance but I do not dismiss rap entirely without listening to it at all. Indeed, I was rather taken aback to hear "country rap" - I shit you not - on our local "country" radio station just last week. The "rap" made up half of the song. I liked it.

Then again, I go Gaga for The Cleverleys and Pink and Green Day and U2 and Kendall Morse and even good Bodhran solos. Hmmmm...


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 07 May 13 - 08:57 PM

JEEEERRRIIII! What have you bin wastin yer ass at gurrrl? That is one bad ass rap! I had Eminem in my brain when I read that to my brain "in rap" and it was pure! Uncut PURE! Word! Truth! Ya gotta decide on a stage name fer yer rap career. J Re?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 May 13 - 08:23 PM

I'm a good speller. I want to be consistent in following the English-English I'm steeped in. But I like American-English spelling more than English-English. It would be going too far to say it's more elegant (that's the preserve of the use of words, not of the way words are spelled), but it's more logical to my eyes. The danger comes in mixing up the two and looking foolish. Brits who glibly criticise American-English spelling as somehow inferior had better remember that the correct word is "aluminum". "Aluminium" is just plain wrong. Likewise, "licorice", the US spelling, has far greater claim to correctness than the English-English "liquorice", which is a semi-literate construction based on confusion over the word "liquor", which has nothing to do with it. So, next time you hear scorn heaped on American spelling, yanks, make sure you have both those in your armoury. Er, armory. Er, bugger it...


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 07 May 13 - 07:56 PM

Nice one Jeri.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Jeri
Date: 07 May 13 - 04:04 PM

You got no defense
It don't have to make sense
You're on the wrong side of the fence
When it comes to spellin'
You ain't no Magelln
You dug a hole and you fell in
Use your eyes and your brain
Not just criticize and complain
Cuz you don't know your ess from your zee
Well, it don't matter to me
Just take your .....out of your hand
If it's not spelled right, can you understand?
Or can you not get it in your head
Because that part of your brain is dead?
Or is it the season to look for some reason
To find something you can sieze on
A language not-see pees on
Piss off, go away
Come back some other day
When being a snot is not what drives you.

Somebody said Eminem, so I was free-stylin' a little.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:43 PM

In Herring Chokese, K, "it don't mean fuck all." would be "it's two fifths of five eighths of fuck all." Precision, eh buddy?

BTW... I must say this drift minds me of the Eminem thread. Ahhhh, those were heady days. Glad to see the same spirit in this thread. I doff my Gray "Harrison Ford Hat" to you all. THAT is as formal a compliment as I pay.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:27 PM

Same here, Kendall. There are a few Canadian spellings that creep into my writing. Thomas Jefferson said "I have nothing but contempt for anyone who can spell a word only one way." ;-D

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:25 PM

Re that last comment - Kendall's responding well to the English lessons.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: kendall
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:21 PM

I was born and raised on the west side of the Maine/New Brunswick border, and, although I am 100 % American, I am still apt to use a Canadian spelling without being aware of it.

The MAIN purpose of language is to communicate, not to bicker about whose spelling is right or wrong.
I think it's quaint when someone pronounces Lootenant with an F in the middle, or says Laboratory, or aluminium. As long as I know which is which, what the hell difference does it make?
Chaucer would be appalled at what you call English today, Thomas Jefferson would shit a well rope to hear our modern American English.

If you are so damn smart you should be able to come up with something worth debating.

It doesn't matter, and it doesn't matter that it doesn't matter! Or. in the Brit vernacular, it don't mean fuck all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:12 PM

Does it REALLY matter if the spelling of words is different from one country to another? We all understand what those words mean, don't we?

I have made an effort, as an ex-pat, to speak and write in the manner of the country that I am in at any particular time. Here I started as a Brit and go with Brit spelling. When I'm writing anything for a totally American audience I try to make sure that I use the American spelling. In the same way I use different words for the same thing in either country.

As the Mudcat was originally an American website it is my opinion that it is rude of certain Brits to criticise the American spellings. Live with it. You are guests on the website of an amazing American who has made it possible for all of us to communicate across the world.

By the same token, the nastiness that goes on on some of these threads really pisses me off. Too much testosterone, I think. So you have different opinions. SO WHAT! Are you so unsure of yourselves that you have to take offence when someone doesn't agree with you? Name calling is, at the end of the day, a very childish thing and tends to suggest that you can't put forward a totally coherent point of view. As Kendall has said, profanity is the effort of a feeble mind. Why let others get you to that point? Step back and think whether you really want to make yourself look so ridiculous.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 May 13 - 01:06 PM

Sorry for the interruption, but a visitor was at the door.

From the OED-
-ize (also written ise.
"Some have used the spelling -ise in English as in French for these words....and some prefer -ise for words formed in French or English, retaining -ize for those of Greek composition, but the suffix itself, whatever the element to which it is added, in its origin the Gk. ..., Latin -izare, and is in the pronunciation also is with z, there is no reason why in English the special French spelling should be followed, in opposition to that which is at once etymologic and phonetic. In this Dictionary the termination is uniformly written -ize.
Word groups
1. Words which have come down from Greek or based on Gk. elements...
baptize, cauterize, idolize,...
2. Words with sense of to make...
actualize, authorize, , fossilize,...
3. Words from later sources...
bastardize, womanize,...
4 Words from ethnic adjs.
Latinize, Anglicize,...
5.
Words from names of persons...
Bowdlerize, ...
6. Words from names of substances...
Carbonize, etc...."

Resorting to cliché, to continue my insults to the deserving, the above casts pearls before.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 May 13 - 12:41 PM

There is little point in arguing the finer points of the English language with the semi-literate (exampl- G. S. S.).
The English language, at its best in Oxbridge and debased by the common herd, with regard to word formation, has complex roots, but sensibly the Greek-Latin base is used in the Oxford English Dictionary rather than the derivative French.
G. S. S. would never understand, but I will briefly summarize the explanation given in The Oxford English Dictionary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 07 May 13 - 10:48 AM

English meets and appropriates the rich resources of other languages. It's a bit of a tyrant in that way!

Still, we Irish got a little revenge by appropriating "crack" from them and selling it back to them as "craic"! ;.)>

Regards


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 May 13 - 10:16 AM

Dick, when I was about 12-13 I went through therapy to compensate for dyslexia. One of the things the therapist did was to reinforce spelling rules. So this American got in the habit of adding the extra L in some words, like Travel -> Travelled. The spelling check always objects, but I ignore it. Perhaps she had English roots.

Will, the English language isn't just the most hospitable, adaptable and changeable languages in the whole world: English meets and appropriates the rich resources of other languages. It's a bit of a tyrant in that way!

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Will Fly
Date: 07 May 13 - 08:54 AM

why do you americans mess about with our language?

Hey Dick - just a thought for you......

It's not just "our language".

Got that?

The English language is one of the most hospitable, adaptable and changeable languages in the whole world - and that's why it morphs and alters itself wherever it flows. No harm in that - let the richness and the variation flourish.

Got that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 May 13 - 08:44 AM

ha ha, so are you now going to spell criticism, criticizm?         
Adding -er/-est | Adding -ing/-ed | Adding -ly | Adding -s
-ible or -able | -ie- or -ei- | English & American English
English and American English Spelling

Here are the principal differences in spelling between English and American English.
        English         American English

Final -l is always doubled after one vowel in stressed and unstressed syllables in English but usually only in stressed syllables in American English, for example:
        

rebel > rebelled
travel > travelled
        

rebel > rebelled
travel > traveled

Some words end in -tre in English and -ter in American English, for example:
        

centre
theatre
        

center
theater

Some words end in -ogue in English and -og in American English, for example:
        

analogue
catalogue
        

analog
catalog

Some words end in -our in English and -or in American English, for example:
        

colour
labour
        

color
labor

Some verbs end in -ize or -ise in English but only in -ize in American English, for example:
        

realise, realize
harmonise, harmonize
        

realize
harmonize
Common Differences
English         American English
all right         all right, alright (disputed)
analyse         analyze
centre         center
cheque         check
colour         color
counsellor         counselor
criticise, criticize         criticize
defence         defense
doughnut         donut
favour         favor
fibre         fiber
flavour         flavor
fulfil         fulfill
grey         gray
honour         honor
humour         humor
jewellery         jewellery, jewelry
judgement, judgment         judgment
kerb         curb
labour         labor
license, licence (verb)
licence (noun)         license (verb)
license (noun)
litre         liter
metre         meter
mould         mold
neighbour         neighbor
offence         offense
practise (verb)
practice (noun)         practice (verb)
practice (noun)
pretence         pretense
programme (plan, concert etc)
program (computer software)         program
program
pyjamas         pajamas
realise, realize         realize
savour         savor
speciality         specialty
theatre         theater
travelled
travelling         travelled, traveled
travelling, traveling
tyre         tire
valour         valor
why do you americans mess about with our language?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: GUEST,musket sans sans
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:47 AM

What is the point of debate if everybody is too careful not to hurt the feelings of those who feel their points are valid yet others may find distasteful?

You can't educate pork...


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:42 AM

Why am I reminded of Psycho?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Megan L
Date: 07 May 13 - 02:30 AM

Ebbie don't believe a word of it last I heard he had Jacqui drag the lazy boy down there and put up a rack of fine malts. At least I am hoping the lazy boy she dragged down was a chair and not another resident.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 May 13 - 01:40 AM

This thread has taken a very scary turn.............    :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 May 13 - 09:45 PM

"Sensible" and very visual. Poor, poor Kendall- alone in a dank, dark, insect-infested cellar with just a straight back chair - if that - for his comfort, a single light bulb hanging on a cord from the ceiling and in the corner just one gunny sack for his bed.

How could you, Jacqui! How could you!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 May 13 - 08:48 PM

There goes the thread... creeping into something almost sensible.. *grin*


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: kendall
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:55 PM

Just remember, I always have the last word..."Yes, dear".


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:53 PM

And who do you think sent them down to the cellar?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: kendall
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:52 PM

Be warned, I have made some friends down here. A Brown recluse, a few hornets and a black Spider the size of a Buick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:50 PM

Shan't. You can taunt me from the cellar.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: kendall
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:44 PM

Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:40 PM

It's hard to insult me because I am so forgiving and loveable.I am the epitome of the well balanced Liberal.

He's also one of the biggest liars in Maine (and off his meds again!).


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:29 PM

"RONFLMAO!" Certainly not proper English. "....should be edited before they are posted....."

Today is my day to be nasty. Harumpfff!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: kendall
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:25 PM

Actually, Max does allow personal attacks these days. I have been called a liar and a fool, but not by anyone whose opinion I respect.

It's hard to insult me because I am so forgiving and loveable.I am the epitome of the well balanced Liberal.
ROTFLMAO! (Proper spelling, Arse,)


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:23 PM

OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY

"Criticize Also -ise." ......

G. S. Schweik obviously knows little about "proper" English and his comments should be edited before they are posted in a literate discussion site such as Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Elmore
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:17 PM

GSS: Please capitalize "American" in the future.


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