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BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon

beardedbruce 16 Apr 13 - 09:39 AM
Jack the Sailor 16 Apr 13 - 09:37 AM
GUEST,TIA 16 Apr 13 - 09:26 AM
Jack the Sailor 16 Apr 13 - 09:19 AM
Rapparee 16 Apr 13 - 09:03 AM
bobad 16 Apr 13 - 08:58 AM
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Wesley S 16 Apr 13 - 08:50 AM
Greg F. 16 Apr 13 - 08:36 AM
beardedbruce 16 Apr 13 - 07:57 AM
ranger1 16 Apr 13 - 07:36 AM
flying cat 16 Apr 13 - 04:18 AM
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ragdall 16 Apr 13 - 02:14 AM
Richard Bridge 16 Apr 13 - 01:10 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 09:39 AM

As of Tuesday morning, no persons or group had claimed credit for twin explosions at the finish line near Boston's Copley Square. The Pakistani Taliban, a group that has threatened the United States in the past, denied participation, according to the Associated Press.
Law enforcement officials questioned an injured Saudi national at a local hospital, but news stories indicated that the individual appears to have no connection to the case. The Boston Globe reported that he was simply a frightened spectator who had tried to flee but was tackled and restrained by bystanders.
On Monday night agents from the FBI, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), and other law enforcement agencies raided a unit in a high-rise apartment on Ocean Drive in the seaside Boston suburb of Revere, according to information posted online by a participating local fire department. Several bags, including what appeared to be a large duffel bag, were removed from the scene. Authorities were mum as to the specifics of their suspicions but confirmed that the Revere search was related to the case.
Rep. William Keating (D) of Massachusetts, a member of the House Homeland Security Committee, told a local CBS reporter that the two bombs at the finish line, which exploded seconds apart, had been stashed in trash receptacles and were clearly a "coordinated attack." Authorities have discovered two other unexploded devices, he told Boston's WBZ News.
Other reports said no unexploded devices had been found. A reported fire at Boston's John F. Kennedy Presidential Library turned out to be the result of an electrical problem and was unrelated to the marathon bombs, according to Boston police.
NBC News reported that the explosive devices near the finish line had been packed with ball bearings to enhance their lethality. Doctors treating some of the 126 wounded at local hospitals said many had been hurt by metal shrapnel, though they added it was unclear whether the metal in question had simply been part of the environment or was the result of a shredded trash receptacle.
Police have issued an alert for a rental van that may have tried to gain access to the finish line area and for a man in dark clothing and a hood seen leaving the scene shortly before the blast, reported NBC. Surveillance video shows a hooded figure carrying two backpacks at about that time.
Among the dead is 8-year-old Martin Richard, whose father was running in the race. The boy's mother and sister were also gravely injured, according to a Boston Globe report. The family had gathered at the finish line for cheers and celebrations.
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One thing is clear: The bomber or bombers were not highly skilled. The explosive devices were relatively crude compared with those produced overseas by Al Qaeda or other radical Islamist terrorist groups, RAND Corp. terror expert Brian Jenkins told Los Angeles television. They were much smaller than the powerful truck bomb that Timothy McVeigh used to devastate the federal building in Oklahoma City in April 1995.
In that sense they were analogous to the pipe bombs that killed two and injured 100 in 1996 at Atlanta's Centennial Park during the Olympics.
The fact that the target was an event of great significance to Boston but not particularly significant to the wider world could indicate that the bomber was a local or at least a native of the United States. The explosions occurred on April 15, tax day, which could be a further indication of a domestic connection.
But the bombs were not directed against a government building or institution, which is often a hallmark of disaffected, lone-wolf domestic terrorists, noted some terrorism analysts. And the style of the attack, in which one explosion was closely followed by another, mimics that used by numerous groups in the Middle East.
One government official told the Los Angeles Times that his guess would be "self-radicalized Islamic extremists from the area."


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 09:37 AM

Lots of reason not to lump so many things into one word.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 09:26 AM

But often, they also want others to *see* someone get dead as well.
Very grey area.
Lots of room to call many things terrorism.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 09:19 AM

>>From: Rapparee - PM
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 09:03 AM

Richard, if you think that a drive-by shooting isn't done to instill terror in others your definition of terror is too narrow.<<

From what I have read terror is all most never the primary purpose.

Not all murder is terrorism. Sometimes people kill people because they want them dead.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 09:03 AM

Richard, if you think that a drive-by shooting isn't done to instill terror in others your definition of terror is too narrow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: bobad
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 08:58 AM

Here's another one, just like the other one: Westboro to picket Boston funerals, blames 'fag marriage' for bombings


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: bobad
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 08:55 AM

"fringe"

You are being much too charitable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Wesley S
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 08:50 AM

I was wondering if Fox News had blamed Obama yet. They will soon enough. But now the fringe Mudcatters have blamed "The Gummit" already.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 08:36 AM

"...the incredible jaw-dropping stupidity of the idea that the whole thing might have been a government plot to assist it to pass repressive legislation "

Get used to it, Richard - there are thousands (millions?) of such anti-government idiots in the US of A and the number is growing daily. Gooble the "Oath Keepers" or take a walk thru the Southern Poverty Law Center site at www.splcenter.org

Its pretty likely that spokesmorons from the National Rifle Assassinatiion will shortly be suggesting the same thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 07:57 AM

"Reuters) - Two bombs packed with ball bearings tore through crowds near the finish of the Boston Marathon, killing three people and triggering a massive hunt for those behind an attack the White House said would be treated as "an act of terror".

Officials said more than 100 people were wounded by the devices, which were packed with gunpowder and shrapnel to maximize injuries, according a senior law enforcement official briefed on the investigation who declined to be named.

"I saw people who looked like they had their legs blown off. There was a lot of blood over their legs. Then people were being pushed in wheelchairs," said Joe Anderson, 33, a fisherman from Pembroke, Massachusetts, who had just run the race holding a large U.S. flag.

Some victims would require further surgery in the coming days, said Peter Fagenholz, a trauma surgeon at Massachusetts General Hospital.

"We're seeing a lot of shrapnel injuries" from small metal debris, Fagenholz told reporters outside the hospital. Doctors treated 29 people, of whom eight were in a critical condition.

An eight-year-old boy was among the dead, the Boston Globe reported, citing two law enforcement sources briefed on the investigation. A two-year-old was being treated at Boston Children's Hospital for a head wound, the hospital said.

White House officials and investigators said it was too early to say whether the Boston attacks were carried out by a foreign or homegrown group or to identify a motive.

The attack was the worst bombing on American soil since far-right militant and U.S. citizen Timothy McVeigh set off a massive truck bomb that destroyed the Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, killing 168 people."




From another (AP) site:

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Roupen Bastajian, a state trooper from Smithfield, R.I., had just finished the race when he heard the explosions.

"I started running toward the blast. And there were people all over the floor," he said. "We started grabbing tourniquets and started tying legs. A lot of people amputated. ... At least 25 to 30 people have at least one leg missing, or an ankle missing, or two legs missing."

At Massachusetts General Hospital, Alasdair Conn, chief of emergency services, said: "This is something I've never seen in my 25 years here ... this amount of carnage in the civilian population. This is what we expect from war."

As many as two unexploded bombs were found near the end of the 26.2-mile course as part of what appeared to be a well-coordinated attack, but they were safely disarmed, according to a senior U.S. intelligence official, who also spoke on condition of anonymity because of the continuing investigation."


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: ranger1
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 07:36 AM

Skarpi, don't worry too much about it. I think the people you saw were probably Boston PD's tactical team and maybe the National Guard. None of them come from too far away. Please don't let this stop you from coming to the Getaway.

As for my thoughts on the whole thing and terrorism in general, well, this article mirrors my thoughts exactly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: flying cat
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 04:18 AM

to all my friends in Boston, I hope you are all well and not involved.   My thoughts are with those who are suffering with their injuries and everyone who has been affected by this horrific event.
My heart is heavy to think that there is so much hate in the world.

Moira


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Joybell
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 02:47 AM

We're watching this with horror too. True-love walked those streets, sang and played in the area in the 60s. Our thoughts are with all of you.
Joy


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: skarpi
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 02:36 AM

good morning ,I was watching this event from the beginning and this is terrible ..but when I was watching the CBS news after a moment , men in
a army clothes come in and start helping taken down the fence and also saw I men with a back bag in army clothes ..how come this people comes so quick ???

I was asked , who will America invade after this ?? ..now you know how some people in the world think about your Government ....??

I said I have no idea , but I start to think , am I save to travel
to Getaway this Autumn ...I wonder ..
I am going to think about it .

all the best Skarpi Iceland .


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: ragdall
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 02:14 AM

olddude,
My money is on your theory. I'm predicting it will be someone between the ages of 15 and 30, who grew up in the USA.
   
When there is already so much illness and misery in this world, why does some idiot believe s/he has the right/need to inflict more on strangers?

rags


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 01:10 AM

Rap, you need a better dictionary or brain. Terrorism is the use of indiscriminate violence against non-combatants for political religious or military purposes.

A drive-by shooting is not for any such purposes and there is as yet no evidence that the Boston attack was for any such purposes.


I also note the incredible jaw-dropping stupidity of the idea that the whole thing might have been a government plot to assist it to pass repressive legislation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: olddude
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 12:26 AM

One thing for sure, it was NOT a pro .. at all ... home grown terrorist that cooked from the internet sites or a newbee radical recruit. I bet they nail the bastard in a month or less


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 11:31 PM

Of course it was terrorism. And no, I did not forget it or the World Trade Center or the Pentagon or Flight 93 or the first WTC bombings or a whole lot of other things.

Anything that is intended to or does spread terror is terrorism.

Now I'll wait.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: TIA
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 11:21 PM

Atlanta Georgia: terrorism (Olympic Park)
Killings of DAs and Corrections Officers: terrorism


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Songwronger
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 11:21 PM

A friend of mine went to Boston for this race. His first one. He wanted to wait until he turned 60 so he might have a chance as a newbie in that age group. Hope he's all right.

At any rate, from Massachusetts Governor Patrick's press conference:

Reporter: "Is this another false flag attack staged to take our civil liberties?"

Patrick: "No. Next question."

Thank God we've learned to question the government's role in these incidents first.

The Boston Globe reported a drill by the bomb squad today. "Officials: There will be a controlled explosion opposite the library within one minute as part of bomb squad activities." Here's a screen capture of the Globe's tweet activity. Big crowd in Boston, confusion, so why are the police running a bomb drill? In London they were running a bomb exercise during the 7/7 bombings, and on 9/11 they were running drills simulating hijacked planes flying into the towers. "Terrorist activity" during government drills is becoming a tired old M.O.

We'll never know the full truth about this bombing, of course, but at least we've learned to suspect the government FIRST in these situations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: olddude
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 11:07 PM

First thing I would be looking at is young man, probably exchange student or home grown disgruntled young man dollars to donuts a student. The device from what I see contained a high degree of alcohol in the mixture hence the color of the smoke. Peroxide perhaps but I don't think so ... Al Queda are far more experienced but can't rule out a newbee recruit. I suspect we have a home grown lone wolf or exchange student type as in the NYC attempt. Anyway, I leave it up to the pro-filers that know better.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 10:58 PM

maeve...good to hear about your friends,too.

A lot are using FB since the cellphones are off. That's ho we found out Roger's nephew and friend, who live there, are okay. it's going to be a long night there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 09:59 PM

You forgot "Oklahoma City: Terrorism", Rap.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 09:48 PM

Sending prayers to the victims and those who love them. Boston's a little more than an hour from where I live. I know people who have participated in the past, but I'm not sure if anyone I know was participating this year. When I got to the Y late this afternoon the class instructor said her husband was one of the runners but he was already on his way home.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 09:00 PM

Which of course doesn't stop some Mudcatters, longtime Olympic champions in Leaping to Conclusions, from favoring us with their wisdom.

Nor, obviously, does it stop know-all clowns like yourself, oh Simple Seeker After Truth and Source Of All Knowledge and Wisdom.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 08:58 PM

Thanks Kevin - glad someone with reasoning ability and common sense is paying attention.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Dead Horse
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 08:27 PM

Bombs planted by the terrorists in Northern Ireland were an almost daily occurence while I was there in the 70's, and many of them caused multiple indiscriminate deaths.
The terrorists concerned received a large amount of funding via NORAID and Boston was one of their foremost financial contributors.
Dont get me wrong - I deplore this latest outrage, but the irony does not escape me or many of my comrades from that troubled time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 08:11 PM

tami, so glad to hear your friends are okay.

((((bbc)))

no professional investigator will put much backing into speculation...i'll wait to see what they say when they've had time to really go through the evidence.
a
in the meantime, love and light to all, and strong hearts and steady hands to those who work on the injured.

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: maeve
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 07:53 PM

Three friends were there- all are safe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 07:46 PM

There is no logical argument that this was anything but an act of terrorism...

We'll just have to let the FBI figure it out and...

... I trust they will...

The last bomb, which didn't go off, may very well produce enough evidence to nail the person of people who did this...

Bottom line??? We all need to chill and let the smart people get the the evil ones...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 07:22 PM

Aurora, Colorado: terrorism.
Newtown, Connecticut: terrorism.
Chicago, Illinois: terrorism.
Holbrook, Idaho: terrorism.
London, England: terrorism.
Belfast, Northern Ireland: terrorism.
Baghdad, Iraq: terrorism.
Columbine High School, Colorado: terrorism.
Mombai, India: terrorism.
Boston, Massachusetts: terrorism.

ANY violent act is an act of terrorism. Some are larger in scale than others. The difference between a drive-by shooting and a car bomb exploding in a busy shopping district is only one of size.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 07:12 PM

Early for speculation, but there's an information vacuum, so that's all we have. It's tax day, it's Patriot's Day, and once upon a time, there was a "Boston Tea Party". I think it's domestic, and the level of angry rhetoric fuels the crazies.

It's good it wasn't worse, but they're saying an 8 year old kid was killed, and anybody killed is bad enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 07:09 PM

Obviously it's an act of terrorism. That doesn't imply anythinh whatsoever about who did it. I took it that greg's point was that it could as well be home grown terrorists as foreign.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 07:02 PM

Fucked up...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 06:54 PM

Timothy McVeigh? I guess GregF. has some special knowledge about a copycat perpetrator.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: bbc
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 06:39 PM

Tami, I'm glad your friends are ok! This is hitting me hard. I grew up in a suburb of Boston. Patriot's Day was a school holiday & my mom worked on the Marathon route & would take breaks to watch the runners go by. This is so awful! What a world we live in.

Barbara


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Ron Davies
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 06:38 PM

"Two words".    Premature to say that.   We'll see. Plenty of possibilities.

At this point, speculation helps nobody.

Which of course doesn't stop some Mudcatters, longtime Olympic champions in Leaping to Conclusions, from favoring us with their wisdom.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 06:17 PM

Two words, People:



Timothy McVeigh.



Good thing they all but disbanded the Domestic Terrorism Unit of Baby Bush's Department of Hopeless Stupidity


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 05:31 PM

5:22 pm ET: Federal law enforcement officials are treating incident as a "terrorist attack."


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 05:22 PM

"5:20

Virginia Heffernan, Y! News: JFK Library says:
"Investigators are investigating. Any tie to Boston Marathon explosions is pure speculation. More information as we receive it."
5:21

Virginia Heffernan, Y! News: So scratch the idea that a connection between the marathon explosions and the library explosion is all but confirmed. It's back to "pure speculation""


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: ranger1
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 05:13 PM

Phew. Last two friends have been accounted for. One, a registered nurse, finished in between the first two explosions and immediately headed into the crowd to help.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 05:11 PM

5:10
NBC Sports Network@NBCSNReports of Marathon Runners that crossed finish line and continued to run to Mass General Hospital to give blood to victims #PrayforBoston


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Alice
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 05:04 PM

Google has provided this:
http://google.org/personfinder/2013-boston-explosions

Looking for someone or have info about someone at Boston explosions, go to link above.


Alice


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: ranger1
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 04:59 PM

Thanks, Jeri. I know that the two friends I haven't heard from yet finished before the explosions. Hopefully Kathy messages me soon that they're ok.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 04:59 PM

4:58
NECN@NECNLaw enforcement official: Cellphone service shut down in Boston area to prevent potential remote detonations of explosives, according to @AP


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 04:57 PM

4:56
NECN@NECNFamilies of victims looking for information can call: 617-635-4500
4:57

Jason Sickles, Yahoo News: Police say they are investigating all leads right now ... not confirming the number of fatalities at this time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 04:51 PM

4:49
WBUR@WBUR.@Boston_Police confirm one explosion at JFK Library, investigating if related to #bostonmarathon explosions
4:50
NECN@NECNTUNE-IN RIGHT NOW FOR NEWS CONFERENCE: ON AIR AND LIVESTREAMING: NECN.COM


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: TIA
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 04:49 PM

Good God the photos BB linked to are ghastly


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 04:49 PM

"4:47

Jason Gilbert: Boston Police have only confirmed 2 dead. New York Post reporting 12 dead, but that is unconfirmed."


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: TIA
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 04:46 PM

Thank you Jeri


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