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BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon

meself 21 Apr 13 - 11:15 AM
akenaton 21 Apr 13 - 09:43 AM
bobad 21 Apr 13 - 09:29 AM
John MacKenzie 21 Apr 13 - 08:15 AM
Keith A of Hertford 21 Apr 13 - 05:01 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 21 Apr 13 - 04:48 AM
John MacKenzie 21 Apr 13 - 04:31 AM
Greg F. 20 Apr 13 - 08:22 PM
Bettynh 20 Apr 13 - 07:16 PM
Stringsinger 20 Apr 13 - 07:14 PM
Don Firth 20 Apr 13 - 06:50 PM
Richard Bridge 20 Apr 13 - 05:43 PM
pdq 20 Apr 13 - 05:14 PM
Bettynh 20 Apr 13 - 05:13 PM
John MacKenzie 20 Apr 13 - 04:33 PM
McGrath of Harlow 20 Apr 13 - 03:23 PM
Greg F. 20 Apr 13 - 01:57 PM
Richard Bridge 20 Apr 13 - 01:48 PM
Stringsinger 20 Apr 13 - 01:46 PM
Bettynh 20 Apr 13 - 01:31 PM
GUEST,gillymor 20 Apr 13 - 12:49 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Apr 13 - 12:45 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 20 Apr 13 - 12:34 PM
Jeri 20 Apr 13 - 12:27 PM
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bobad 20 Apr 13 - 10:53 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: meself
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 11:15 AM

"Well, i did say this looked likely to be Islamist inspired."

Now there's a thought that didn't occur to anyone else .... However, I think it's still early to be gloating; it has not yet been established what 'inspired' this.

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on another note: we're being told that, if Suspect #2 is ever fit to be questioned, he will not be read his Miranda rights, and that some
Republican Senators want him declared an "enemy combatant", so that he will not have the rights of a common criminal ....


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 09:43 AM

Well, i did say this looked likely to be Islamist inspired.

If Obama's "Drone Warfare" is not curtailed, expect much more of the same....its too easy, the London underground bombers were also just kids.

Each family that's wiped out by a drone, makes another hundred young terrorists.
Of course the use of drones to kill civilians is also terrorism, designed to alienate the people from the ideology......to frighten them into opposition.

The tactic was widely used in Vietnam.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: bobad
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 09:29 AM

How the Boston bombing is being reported in at least one corner of the Middle east:

"In an article titled "The Boston Explosions – Look For Jews" on the Jordanian website Ammon News, Palestinian-born Jordanian journalist As'ad Al-'Azouni writes that the Jews and the "American right" were behind the recent Boston bombing, just as they had been behind the attacks of 9/11..."

The Commentator


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 08:15 AM

70% of those killed by drones, are innocent, including women and children!


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 05:01 AM

All we can do in that direction is to try to imagine oursellves into their heads, and persuade our imaginary self to do the same.
How are you getting on with that?
Filling a pot with explosives and nails to kill harmless strangers.
Looking at the people and children as you leave your device next to them, and believing you are doing good because they are not of your faith.

I can not.
Help me out.

At least the drone pilots are seeking out violent enemies and at least trying to spare the innocent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 04:48 AM

..and even more from auto accidents.....I know, let's take away their cars!....or obesity....let's take away their food!
..by the way, John, percentages of gun owners to car owner, and deaths resulted, the cars FAR outnumber those cause by guns....and eating disorders outnumber both of the other two combined times ten!...though I do understand your concerns.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 04:31 AM

While this is all very sad, and regrettable, I wonder, why all the fuss?
An average of 85 people a day are gunned down in the US, but that attracts no national opprobrium, just a little local angst.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 08:22 PM

There are several Mudcatters you could stick a sign on that reads "OUT OF ORDER".

Im which group I assume you include yourself, PeeDee. Are you wearing your sign now?


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Bettynh
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 07:16 PM

LOL, Thanks Richard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Stringsinger
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 07:14 PM

They will have to be tried in court to establish whether they actually are the right persons.
This is why we have courts of law, to determine these things. They are accused of terrorism and whether they are or not, that's what has to be established. We know their fundamentalist Islamic connections and what that pattern of behavior has entailed in the past however, It is not fair for people to intimidate Muslims as was done with a Muslim lady who was beaten by assailants who escaped. This is essentially un-American.

Here, I think the US missed a bet by not putting Osama bin Laden on trial to be convicted in a court of law. Our credibility as a just nation is undermined by this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 06:50 PM

And just which arguments might those be, Goofballupagus?

Specifically!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 05:43 PM

Thank you Bettynh. I thought as much. And it follows that motivation is not established. So one would be wrong to speak of "terrorism".


PS. Ordnance, not ordinance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: pdq
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 05:14 PM

There are several Mudcatters you could stick a sign on that reads "OUT OF ORDER".


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Bettynh
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 05:13 PM

Richard, there's been no statement of responsibility from the person in custody or anybody claiming to speak for him.

There are photos of him (his face was matched to his passport photo by facial recognition) entering the incident zone with a large dark backpack and leaving without the backpack.

News reports (for what it's worth) that they told the victim of carjacking prior to the manhunt, "We just killed a cop and bombed the race. Get into the car." He did, and was released after withdrawing as much cash from ATMs as was possible.

During the chase, pipe bombs and a defective pressure cooker bomb were thrown. (The pressure cooker bomb exploded but the cover had loosened, making it ineffective).

Certainly, there will be formal interrogation. There have been numerous reports from other places that computers have been confiscated, ordinance rendered safe, and people detained (though I don't think there have been any other arrests). It will probably be a long time before any completely coherent story emerges, but I'm pretty satisfied that they have the right person and there are no others immediately involved. But of course, he is still officially the alleged bomber.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 04:33 PM

Yes, all this rejoicing is totally out of order. You'd think Maggie Thatcher had died or something.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 03:23 PM

Of course we don't know their purpose. All we can do in that direction is to try to imagine oursellves into their heads, and persuade our imaginary self to do the same.

The same way we might try to imagine piloting killer drones against far away villages.

Quite a difficult feat of imagination.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 01:57 PM

Just a few helpful suggestions. I trust the honorable gentleman will consider them in the spirit intended.

I most certainly DO accept them in the spirit which you intended, o Omniscient One! And in that same spirit, go fuck yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 01:48 PM

Do we yet know that the dead person and the arrested person are the perpetrators? Have they or spokespeople claimed responsibility? If not they are alleged perpetrators, no more.

Do we yet know their purpose? "Know" rather than jumping to conclusions about it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Stringsinger
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 01:46 PM

Unfortunately, aspiring terrorists probably don't give a damn whether TV news talks about them one way or another but possibly relish the publicity. Those whose religious beliefs allow them to blow themselves up so they can meet virgins will not be discouraged in their lunacy.

The problem is that terrorist justification comes from the use of weaponized drones and rogue defense contractors killing innocent women and children in Mid-East countries. No one wants to talk about this. Iraq has been utterly destroyed by the US thanks to George W. Bush.

Fundamentalist Islamists use this as a "chickens come home to roost" argument. They subjugate their women, imprison them with burquas and beatings and honor killings. Do you honestly think this kind of insanity will be discouraging to them? Some of them masochistically cultivate this "discouragement".

There are too many guns on the street, a cowardly Congress, a military industrial complex that makes money off the blood of innocents, and an open door in a supposedly pluralistic society to prevent further happenings like this horrific one.

I fear unless we change our policies in this country, we're just beginning to see the tip of the iceberg, here. How can Obama preach a high-minded sermon when Bradley Manning lies dormant in jail, armed drones fly over Pakistan and other places, Bush torturers are not prosecuted, nuclear proliferation treaties are not honored and Wikileaks is censored and ACORN is blamed, not understood?

Americans are incredibly naive not to address these problems and speak out.   Otherwise
this country is asking for it. You can't fight insanity with insanity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Bettynh
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 01:31 PM

OK, so we're done with the manhunt and media frenzy and into observations and lessons learned. Here are a few things I saw:

Battlefield medicine learned in military training saved lives that day. Those folks, mostly military veterans of one sort or another; that rushed into the scene actually made a real difference.

The National Guard, often cited as useless, immediately moved to shut down the subway nearby and guard the entrances. The entire subway system was shut down very quickly. Logan Airport was shut down.

The race was diverted to another street and runners heading directly into the scene bypassed it and landed on the Boston Common, a large open area. A mile or so back, the race was halted in a space big enough to contain the crowd as it grew (from runners coming into it).

There was a hospital tent manned with doctors and nurses and equipped with emergency equipment within a few yards of the scenes. Ambulances were lined up and ready. Of the people not killed outright by the blasts, only one person died later of her injuries. Many were in surgery within the "golden hour."

The immediate area was cleared of uninvolved people very quickly and with minimal panic. There was an immediate move to preserve evidence. Different branches of the police were communicating effectively.   

Request for video and still images from that area were sent out immediately.

So there was a plan, and it was executed - time will tell, but it looks to me that it went pretty well. Media will have learned some hard lessons about believing stray twitter entries. Within a day, every government agency imaginable had a presence (well maybe not Agriculture, but who really knows?). In this day of budget cuts, someone should take a look at that. There was confusion and distress on the part of the people running and their families and stories of good Samaritans who helped them cope. Stranded people seem to have found each other rather quickly. Reuniting people and their stuff may take longer. The Red Cross did a lot in the first day or so in support of families and survivors, as well as feeding first responders.

People want to do something to help. Within a day, calls for blood donations were made for "maybe next month in the name of the victims," indicating there'd been an overload of donations already. The mayor and governor set up that fund that promises to be a reliable charity. If staying indoors on one of the most beautiful days so far this spring was a hardship, it at least was SOMETHING ALL THE PEOPLE OF BOSTON COULD CONTRIBUTE. After 911, the only message I heard from George W. was "go shopping," which made no sense then and even less sense now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 12:49 PM

Lavengro; "I just hope that others intent on this course of action in a twisted attempt to further their particular aims don't see this as a potential "new tool" in their arsenal. One man shutting down a city with all its inherent cost both in terms of liberty and economics."

I agree with that but I think to go after these guys with the measures and the degree of force they used was exactly the right response. It seems that these brothers (and for all they knew others)had embarked on a bombing campaign. They had to be stopped and those neighborhoods had to be secured as quickly as possible.

As for copycats I think the spectacle that I witnessed on TV had to be discouraging to some aspiring terrorists( okay, maybe not hardcore fundamentalists). If they were watching they saw a small army of police run down 2 murderers and shoot them down like dogs. If the tedious and repetetive 24 hour news cycle was disrupted it was no great loss to me.

It will be interesting to hear Bostonians opinions of the police effort. Their initial response seemed to be overwhelmingly positive.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 12:45 PM

Don Firth: "Ron, people such as Guest from Sanity, ichMael, Songwronger, and a couple of others are heavily into blaming Obama for everything from childhood measles to meteors from space, and are doing back-flips trying to connect the Boston Marathon bombings with an "Obama plot."...blah blah blah...."

You are out of your ever lovin' mind! You just can't get over that you've lost a couple of your pet arguments, because you based them on a political agenda, rather than facts.

get over it, and move on.....I was going to insert 'learn something'., but in your case you're unteachable, because you're so blocked!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 12:34 PM

Adding to Jeri- even the BBC channel devoted a great deal of coverage, ommitting other "news from several newscasts."

As with other such killings, the perpetrators gave little sign of their mental state. After the fact, people "remember" possible indicators.

The truth is that it is imposssible to know the mind of another.

Congratulations to all the forces and agencies that contributed to the early apprehension of the killers. The request to the citizens of Boston to "lock down" probably helped, limiting possibilities of escape.

In the video after the second brother was caught, I saw that even ATF was there, with dogs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 12:27 PM

For the record, I don't have a problem with them shutting down Boston. That made sense to me, and the citizens of Boston seem happy with the result. It's a huge win for law enforcement. I have a problem with the media.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: GUEST,Lavengro
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 12:22 PM

Above post by Lavengro.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 12:19 PM

@Ebbie

"Had he/they successfully killed crowds of people while on the run, would you still have laughed?"

No Ebbie I wouldn't. The phrase I used was one to express disbelief, not a literal description of my potential reaction.

To take the jist of your comment above to its logical conclusion if we all stay in doors 24/7 no one can be an open terrorist target. Generally speaking the aim or terrorism is to terrify by means of violence and the threat of violence.

If the UK government had made the population of Belfast stay in doors and shut their businesses and public transportation links because of serious and impending known terrorist activity; the streets would have been empty for decades. If someone gave the enemies of the US a choice between a handful of civilian dead or the crippling of the US economy and personal freedom of its citizens by causing citywide shutdowns which one do you think they would choose?

Do you think that Islamist Terrorists overseas post videos of the beheading of construction, oil and aid workers to kill individuals; or to frighten other constuction, oil and aid workers into staying at home and not working where the terrorists don't want their expertise or humanity?

For those who died and were injured and their families it is an unimaginable personal tragedy that no one should have to suffer. For the terrorists the shut down of an entire city was (IMO) the bigger "victory" in terms of anti-US sentiment and goals.

Having served with US troops overseas I don't think it is part of the DNA of US citizens to respond to threat by hiding and clearing the streets. And I don't think that US citizens would tolerate a repeat of another curtailment of their freedom of movement under such circumstances. Let's not forget that when the "shutdown" was lifted the threat was exactly the same as when it was initailly enforced. The powers that be (IMO) just realised it was an unsustainable overreaction and lifted it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: olddude
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 12:14 PM

I know jeri and I am just mad, don't really mean it


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 11:56 AM

sheesh Good thing I wasn't talking about law enforcement.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 11:25 AM

sheesh Law enforcement were not reacting to the "three people killed", but to the effort to kill and maim vast numbers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 11:20 AM

19 years old-- I want to hear the rest of the story, but I'm glad they caught him.

I agree with Lavengro about the reaction. The purpose of terrorism is to disrupt life-as-usual by causing terror. These guys were widely successful in disrupting life, mostly because terror is something the opportunistic media feeds on. MSNBC, CNN, and Fox became 24-hour bombing channels, and local stations contributed to the obsession whenever they could. Apparently, nothing else happened in the world. Three people were killed, and for a few days the USA forgot about everything else to go after a couple of guys.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 11:16 AM

as mad as I get I can only hope that his injuries required him to lose a leg. That would be fitting justice I think


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 11:13 AM

"If someone had told me last week that an individual on foot, on the run with some IED's could do that to a city of that size and population I would have laughed at them." Guest/Lavengro

A sniper, for instance, is different from a person who has demonstrated his willingness and his ability to kill multiple numbers of people. Had he/they successfully killed crowds of people while on the run, would you still have laughed?


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: bobad
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 10:53 AM

Some background on the brothers Tsarnaev by David Remnick of the New Yorker: The Culprits


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: GUEST,Lavengro
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 10:38 AM

I personally don't feel it's a question of left or right in regard to political perspective, or what someone's religious belief or non-belief is. I feel it's more a question of right and wrong, and most of us know the definition of right and wrong when confronted by it without the need for a political or religious foundation.

It is wrong to deliberately target civilians in an attempt to further your aims whatever those aims are? Whoever you are, be it government, individual or organization.

I remain absolutely astounded that the entire of Boston was "shut down" due to the pursuit of one individual? I know that many posting here have differing personal definitions of what terrorism is and exactly what it constitutes and encompasses. But the official US government line on this includes: "to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion". It seems to me that this was achieved (short term) via local government and national and local law enforcement decisions on the day.

I just hope that others intent on this course of action in a twisted attempt to further their particular aims don't see this as a potential "new tool" in their arsenal. One man shutting down a city with all its inherent cost both in terms of liberty and economics.

If someone had told me last week that an individual on foot, on the run with some IED's could do that to a city of that size and population I would have laughed at them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 08:15 AM

You're welcome, Greg.

Just think, even you can contribute something worthwhile on a consistent basis. All you have to do is:


1)    Start reading, in order to broaden your vocabulary so that you don't ever have to fall into the gutter again.

2)    Might I suggest that reading be mainly in history--with quite a few perspectives-- so that you will not insist on cardboard heroes and villains every time you discuss history or politics?

3)   By the way, I note that we very rarely see you comment in music threads.   I hope you're aware that Mudcat needs no 'politics only' posters.

Just a few helpful suggestions. I trust the honorable gentleman will consider them in the spirit intended.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 08:07 AM

Well, this is the first time I visited this thread, haven't read a single post...only to say to those who jumped on the bandwagon, to blame 'right' or 'left' wingers, or get all worked up because of the gun control issue, or for that matter, any 'hot topic', that got tied into the events, you might want to check your 'news' sources, who may have influenced your thinking, to fuck it up, and reconsider who and why you listen to them...and consider how in other areas you got fucked up by listening to them!!! Maybe even consider rearranging your thought processes, to be less inclined for programmed fear and loathing!!!!
......besides, it's bad for your music!..let alone what a lunatic you come off as!!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: bobad
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 07:55 AM

Meet Feiz Mohammad: The radical Muslim cleric who inspired the Boston Bomber, Tamerlane Tsarnaev: IB Times


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 06:23 AM

Dan, I think the survivor might get the treatment of the younger Beltway Sniper, no death penalty due to age and coercion.

But frankly with all the gun nuts out there stocking up their assault rifles for the revolution. I'd almost like to see him strung up for shooting at cops while resisting arrest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 01:14 AM

Gillymor- don't know you but think I'd like you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Elmore
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 11:19 PM

Glad they caught the punk.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 11:04 PM

Hasn't been enough blood for you two, huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: pdq
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 09:32 PM

"One only has to look at a picture of that little 8 year old boy he blew apart to get my meaning..." ~   Dan the Man


Yes, this bastard put the bomb right next to the 8 year boy who died, knowing that he would be blown to pieces. Justice should not have to wait for Hell.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 09:25 PM

Well, Ron, I can't agree with you on who here on Mudcat is a genuine Liberal, who is a genuine Conservative, and who is just a nutcase (several of those!), but I won't argue the point. The subject is the Boston Marathon bombings.

I'm going to turn on the news and see what the latest developments are.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: olddude
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 09:19 PM

I am no supporter of the death penalty, however, if they wanted to try him in Texas and some of the good old boys wanted to do a traditional neck stretching I would not shed a tear ... One only has to look at a picture of that little 8 year old boy he blew apart to get my meaning


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 08:50 PM

Wonderful. A few minutes ago they took the "second suspect" into custody and he is alive. He is on his way to the hospital.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: bobad
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 08:49 PM

Suspect 2 has been taken into custody.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 08:31 PM

As I noted, Don, there are also those who don't think at all--such as those you have cited.

They don't fit on the political spectrum at all--I don't think anybody on the spectrum would have them anyway.   I certainly don't consider them Rightists.   And anybody on the Right would be totally baffled trying to make any sense of their outpourings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 08:27 PM

Thank God you're around, Simple Seeker and Massive Intellect, to guide us poor ignorant worms toward the truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 08:20 PM

You're right, Don, about the Birthers. But, as I've said more than once, I am only talking about posters on Mudcat, not commentators or posters in the wider world.

Yet again, Mudcat simplistic thinkers are heavily on the Left.   Very few exceptions--only obvious one is on gun control where we on Mudcat also have our Neanderthals on the Right.

Every one of my proposed bumper stickers has a Mudcat leftist for it--or more than one.

And there are lots of examples:   one of my favorites is the Chavez theory;   it seems clear that you have to have strong wacko leftist tendencies to insist on keeping as an option that the US killed Chavez.    You might as well, as I noted earlier on another thread, keep the option that Churchill purposely withdrew the "Lusitania"'s escort so that it would be sunk, expecting that the loss of American life would bring the US into WW I.

At some point you have to recognize a crackpot theory for what it is. And it's better to put your mind in gear early, and suppress your own prejudices.

Again, if somebody can give us an exact quote by a Mudcatter seriously advancing the idea that Obama is a Kenyan socialist, please do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 07:45 PM

Looked at from Europe Obama registers as a decent Conservative. A rare breed these days back here, but not quite extinct.

This thread has rather drifted, which is odd in face of a very much live story. Sounds as if the second suspect is found and trapped so before long he should be captured, or dead.


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