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BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon

GUEST 22 Apr 14 - 06:53 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 06:53 PM

It seems the feds are going to stage someting in Charleston, South Carolina now. They've just put out a call for 25 al-Qaeda role-players, to be paid to "perform" in Charleston.

Solicitation Number:
h92257-14-q-0068 Notice Type:
Award Notice Contract Award Date:
April 17, 2014
Contract Award Number:
H9225714P0084
Contract Award Dollar Amount:
$58,573
Contractor Awarded Name:
BKM GLOBAL
Contracting Office Address:
Building H-1, Floor 1GS
Camp Lejeune, North Carolina 28542
United States

Place of Performance:
IVO
Charleston, South Carolina 29401
United States

Primary Point of Contact.:
Will Watts,
MSgt
will.watts@socom.mil
Phone: 910-440-0875

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=b20876a230a40e34901e7115ed4a2f15&tab=core&tabmode=list&=

These "performances" often coincide with "terrorist attacks." During the Marathon bombing the Department of Homeland Security was staging a drill simulating...a Marathon bombing. On 9/11 the Pentagon was running a drill of planes flying into the Twin Towers. These role-players are used to lend an air of authenticity to the "performance." I wonder what they think when the drill goes live?

Some more on crisis actors. They hired a bunch of actors for the Sandy Hook school shooting:

http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/04/11/crisis-actors-at-sandy-hook/


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: GUEST,sheesh
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 11:59 PM

Two absolutely useless posts.
Piss off the both of you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 11:22 PM

Greg F: "Hey,I'm fond of corned beef and cabbage. Does that make me an Irish Catholic?"

No...but how about a Farting Mudcatter?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 11:10 PM

Since the actors at last year's Boston Marathon weren't recognized at the recent Academy Awards, let's acknowledge them here:

http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2013/04/18/did-boston-bombing-feature-bad-actors-from-sandy-hook/

They're called "crisis actors." You saw them at Boston and on 9/11 pretending to be injured, giving interviews to clueless reporters about what "really" happened, and so on. There are apparently lots of jobs in Role Player Support Services if you are interested.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 May 13 - 04:28 PM

Thank's, Guest - I was aware of that, but since I was speaking to a largely U.S. audience, they wouldn't have understood.

Go raibh maith agat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: GUEST
Date: 05 May 13 - 01:21 PM

I'm fond of corned beef and cabbage. Does that make me an Irish Catholic?

No, but it makes it likely you're America. People eat bacon with their cabbage in Ireland.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 May 13 - 12:44 PM

Saif Rahman can call himself a bare-arsed babboon, as well. Still doesn't mean its true and/or not oxymoronic.

Hey,I'm fond of corned beef and cabbage. Does that make me an Irish Catholic?


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: bobad
Date: 05 May 13 - 12:18 PM

What's a 'Cultural Muslim'?


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 May 13 - 09:36 AM

You can call yourself a bare-arsed baboon, for all I care, Bobad. That don't make it true. (or maybe in this specific case it does?)

So I like falafel and eggplant. Guess in your book that makes me a "Muslim".


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: bobad
Date: 04 May 13 - 12:48 PM

Greg, I'm an atheist but I partake in some of the ritual celebrations of Christianity such as Christmas and Easter. I don't refer to myself as an atheist Christian but who made you arbiter of what someone want's to call themselves?


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 May 13 - 11:20 AM

They say that at the end of Oliver Cromwell's tenure, Englishmen were so outraged with him and his policies that after his body was buried, they dug it up and hanged it.

Shades of: They are evidently finding difficulty in securing burial ground for Tamerlin Tsarnaev.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 May 13 - 11:16 AM

Culturally Muslim but free from the prophet and demon haunted world.

Self-contradictory.

Define "Muslim"


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: bobad
Date: 04 May 13 - 10:32 AM

"Atheist Muslim

Oxymoron"

Culturally Muslim but free from the prophet and demon haunted world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: bobad
Date: 04 May 13 - 09:41 AM

Context from which Greg's selected quote is cherry picked:

I also understand that extremism in any ideology isn't a distortion of that ideology. It is an informed, steadfast adherence to its fundamentals, hence the term "fundamentalism." When you think of a left-wing extremist, do you think of a greedy capitalist? Would you imagine a right-wing extremist to be dedicated to government-funded social welfare programs? The "extremists" and strict followers of the Jain faith, which values the life of every being, including insects, don't kill more than their average co-religionists. Instead, they avoid eating foods stored overnight so as not to kill even the microorganisms that may have collected in the meantime. In a true religion of peace, the "extremists" would be nonviolent pacifists to an extreme (and perhaps annoying) degree, not the opposite


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 May 13 - 09:33 AM

Atheist Muslim

Oxymoron

... extremism in any ideology isn't a distortion of that ideology.

Bullshit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: bobad
Date: 04 May 13 - 08:50 AM

An Atheist Muslim's Perspective on the 'Root Causes' of Islamist Jihadism and the Politics of Islamophobia


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 May 13 - 01:06 PM

BOSTON (AP) — A lawyer says two of the three people newly arrested in the Boston Marathon bombing case are men originally from Kazakhstan who were friendly with the main suspect.

Azamat Tazhayakov (AHZ'-maht tuh-ZAYE'-uh-kov) and Dias Kadyrbayev (DYE'-us kad-uhr-BYE-ev) appeared via video for a visa violation hearing in immigration court in Boston on Wednesday. Boston attorney Linda Cristello represented them and confirmed they now face separate federal charges and have a court appearance this afternoon related to the Boston Marathon bombing.
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She says lawyers don't know what the charges are and won't until later. The two have been held in a county jail for more than a week on allegations that they violated their student visas while attending the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth with suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (joh-HAHR' tsahr-NEYE'-ehv), who is originally from Russia.

Cristello did not say who the third suspect was.



http://www.mail.com/news/us/2056094-police-3-custody-boston-bombings.html#.7518-stage-subhero1-1


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 May 13 - 12:48 PM

???????


"Boston police take three suspects into custody in bomb case

Classmates of Boston bombing suspect detained: source


By Scott Malone and Svea Herbst-Bayliss
BOSTON | Wed May 1, 2013 12:36pm EDT

(Reuters) - Three additional suspects have been taken into custody in the investigation of last month's deadly bombings at the Boston Marathon, the Boston Police Department and a U.S. law enforcement source said on Wednesday.

Officials last month accused two ethnic Chechen brothers of placing homemade pressure-cooker bombs at the finish line of the marathon on April 15. One died after a gunfight with police three days after the bombing and the other was captured and criminally charged before being sent to a prison hospital to recover from gunshot wounds.

A U.S. law enforcement source said that two of the suspects taken into custody on Wednesday include classmates of the younger brother at the University of Massachusetts in Dartmouth. They are being held by immigration officials for violating the terms of their visas. The source said they are likely to face charges related to obstruction of justice and with making false statements to investigators.

Police are investigating whether the classmates threw away a backpack at Tsarnaev's request after the bombing, which killed three people and injured 264 others. Last week law enforcement officials were seen searching dumps in southeastern Massachusetts.

The third person taken into custody on Wednesday was a U.S. citizen, and all three were being investigated for actions taken after the bombings, the U.S. law enforcement source said.

A Boston police spokeswoman, Katherine Shea, said she had no further details to provide on the suspects after their detention was reported on the department's official Twitter feed. Police said the arrests posed no danger to the public."


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/01/us-usa-explosions-boston-arrests-idUSBRE9400M720130501


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 10:07 PM

Far from amusing, Don. In fact I'd say the incident was quite shocking in its own little way. However for many of the countries that are reached by US/UK broadcasters but have bigger things to worry about, the hysterical reaction has been non-stop entertainment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 05:27 PM

The incident was a horror Don, but Peter is right about how it has played.
You could not make it up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 04:45 PM

Bloomberg said the information on the attack had been provided by surviving suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.... A

Uh Huh. And they took him at his word?

Or is this just Bloomberg grandstanding like he always does?


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 04:23 PM

And this incident, Peter, you find amusing?

My my!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 04:03 PM

Having just got home from travels in south-central Europe, I've not read every word in this thread. But at a quick glance, I could see only John Mackenzie bemoaning a certain lack of perspective.

Shortly after the bombs went off, I was tuning into English-language channels in the hope of finding news about an earthquake in China. But as far as UK, Canadian and US newscasters were concerned, there had been no such event. Their whole output, for more than two days, was limited to events in Boston in which three or four people got killed. Say maybe four per cent of America's daily murder quota.

OK, we were all amused to see the whole of Boston terrified into lockdown by a couple of lads armed to the teeth with... pressure-cookers(!), especially amused in Serbia, which is one of the dozens of countries US warplanes have bombed since WW2. And especially those of us who got on with life as normal when 1,000 bombs (many funded from Boston ironically) went off in Belfast between July 1972 and July 1973.

But the remorseless repetition does get tiresome when you're trying to find out about an earthquake and perhaps catch a glimpse of the English Premiership results.

We did admittedly have the further amusement of some law officer declaring that "this terrorist" would have the benefit of US justice. And there were TWO thrilling gun battles. The second was best. According to a police chief, it went on for an hour! It wasn't clear what the targets might have been, and apparently nothing was hit, but then the police chief had already explained that he wanted the suspect taken alive, so I suppose everyone was aiming to miss.

Marshalled against the police crackshots, armed to the teeth, and throwing in stun-grenades for good measure, was... a hapless 19-year-old kid in a flimsy, or at any rate less than armour-plated, boat. He was injured enough that a householder had found him by following his spilt blood, and he was harmless enough that the householder had been able to take a close look at him and yet live to tell the story. So... medals all round for those brave police heroes.

The gunfights were fun, in a farcical kind of way, but the icing on the cake was when the pressure-cookers became WMDs! This is the point at which Tom Lehrer would have had to give up on satire, if Kissinger hadn't already stopped him. No wonder WMDs were not found in Iraq - pressure-cookers simply don't feature in Arabic cuisine.

Oh, and I forgot to mention John Kerry, a Satan-believer apparently, declaring that America had "for this past week been confronting Evil" or words to that effect. That was quite funny too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: bobad
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 02:54 PM

NEW YORK — The brothers accused of carrying out the Boston marathon bombings also planned to carry out an attack in Times Square, New York mayor Michael Bloomberg said Thursday.

Bloomberg said the information on the attack had been provided by surviving suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).

It was a "horrific reminder that we remain targets for terrorists," Bloomberg told a press conference.

"Last night we were informed by the FBI that the surviving attacker revealed that New York City was next on their list of targets," Bloomberg said.

"He told the FBI apparently that he and his brother had intended to drive to New York and designate (sic) additional explosives in Times Square."

Tsarnaev and his older brother Tamerlan, who are ethnic Chechens, said they planned to go to New York "to party", according to investigators.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev was killed in a shootout with police four days after the April 15 Boston bombings which killed three people and injured 264.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was critically wounded in the hunt to detain him and is now in hospital in Boston.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 01:18 PM

Many people in the communities in which we live appear to find it quite acceptable, regrettable, for innocent civilians to be killed for sometimes very dubious reasns by people who are seen as the agents of our community. That has been true in every generation during our history. Generally the closer to our time the killing occurs, and perhaps the further from it geographically, the less difficulty we tend to have in finding the justification.

I'm not arguing that all atrocities are the same or even equvalent. But the jusifications made for them are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Lighter
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 08:22 AM

If he was speaking for himself, could he find the acts "appalling"?

But sometimes acts that would otherwise be appalling are justified, or at least justifiable.

How about killing all those more or less decent Germans, Italians, and Japanese in WW2 to stop the real baddies?

Appalling. Justified. Unfortunately.

(Anyone about to claim that terrorist bombers are no different should read Augustine and Aquinas on "just war theory" and UN Security Council Resolution 1377 before they get back to me.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 04:32 AM

"excuse and justify precisely the same kind of thing"

"many of us find it easy enough to justify appalling acts"

You can only be speaking for yourself I think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 04:21 AM

I wasn't particularly thinking of Muslims when I wrote that. In fact i'd doubt that more than a tiny handful of Muslims would be likely to see something like the Marathon bombings as being " on their behalf". But many of us find it easy enough to justify appalling acts carried out by our agents in other circumstances.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 03:13 AM

The trouble is that people who quite rightly are nauseated at the notion of placing a bomb in a place where it will kill innocent people will find ways to excuse and justify precisely the same kind of thing when it is done by people acting on their behalf in a way that isn't directly visible to them. It becomes 'a sad necessity', in a higher cause.

I refute that assertion.
It goes without saying that ordinary, decent Muslim people abhor this crime as much as all other ordinary decent people, even though it was done "on their behalf."

Only fanatical extremists excuse or justify such acts.

I think you should excuse and justify that assertion, with examples, or withdraw it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Lighter
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 07:44 PM

According to him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 07:09 PM

Himmler refused to watch executions because, as he said, his stomach was sensitive.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Lighter
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 07:08 PM

Indeed, McGrath, indeed.

I can't believe that Himmler had any conscience whatsoever. But he did know how to manipulate people who may still have had traces.

Funny how Nazi ideology not only attracted psychopaths, it boosted the worst of them right up to the top.

As for "nausea," a small minority of people wouldn't even feel that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 06:38 PM

oh those Amusing Republicans


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 05:53 PM

The trouble is that people who quite rightly are nauseated at the notion of placing a bomb in a place where it will kill innocent people will find ways to excuse and justify precisely the same kind of thing when it is done by people acting on their behalf in a way that isn't directly visible to them. It becomes 'a sad necessity', in a higher cause. Which I would imagine how those responsible for the Marathon bombs might have described it.

There was a famous episode where Himmler speaking to SS officers involved in genocide declared that the very fact that what they were doing was repulsive made their actions more noble, since it involved a willingness to sacrifice such human instincts because was necessary for a higher cause.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Lighter
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 05:04 PM

> the religious justification (as enunciated by Jesus) for the Inquisition?

Plenty - but none of it very sensible and none of it enunciated by Jesus.

Of course greed and ambition (called "politics" nowadays) play a role in these things. But let's not overlook the desire to be "holier than thou" and the sad fact that some people get their kicks by making other people suffer.

One out of every 25 or 30 Americans is supposedly a conscienceless psychopath. Most of them abstain from serious crime because they don't want the hassle of going on the lam.

The proportion on other countries ranges from slightly higher to considerably lower. But everywhere are manipulative, unscrupulous individuals who will do just about anything to get their way.

If they want to get to heaven, for example, and believe, like Inquisitors and "holy warriors," that being ultra-zealous will do the trick, they'll stop at nothing.

Of course, some psychos just get a thrill out of destroying, and if a respected authority says it's cool, they'll be there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 04:23 PM

On my local University of Washington based NPR affiliate, a local interviewer (Steve Scher) often hosts a discussion with "The Three Amigos," an ecumenical trio consisting of a Christian minister, a Jewish rabbi, and a Muslim imam. These discussions are always friendly and very enlightening, and draw on what these three religions—going back to the basic texts of each religion—actually say. This more than amply demonstrates that they are in agreement on almost everything, except for extraneous and unimportant details.

Most interesting!

The iman said that the word "jihad" means "struggle." AND, that this is grossly misinterpreted by many militant Muslims as "holy war." "It is NOT 'holy war,'" said the imam. "'Jihad' means one's inner struggle."

There is also the admonition in the Koran that if one kills one person, it is the same as killing ALL people. In short, "Thou shalt not kill."

This will get up the noses of the militant anti-religion folks here, but the atrocities committed by various religions spring, not from the precepts of the religion itself, but from the political motives of the adherents to that religion, trying to twist the religion to justify their heinous wishes.

Where did Jesus ever say, "Those who do not believe in everything I say should be burned at the stake!??"

So—what was the religious justification (as enunciated by Jesus) for the Inquisition?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 08:10 AM

Unholy murderers?


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 08:03 AM

Perhaps it might be better to employ instead the term 'holy warriors', since that would embrace the whole range, including those who focus their attentions on other varieties Chritianity and Iskam etc,


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Lighter
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 07:51 AM

> it's the doctrine of jihad, stupid.

He means "a radical fundamentalist interpretation of the doctrine of jihad, stupid."

"Jihad" in Arabic means "struggle." Even in English, the word "struggle" can cover anything from an inner quest to World War III. "Kampf" in German can mean a personal "struggle" or it can mean "combat" or "battle."

Same with "jihad." Not quite the same, but consider the meanings of "crusade" in English. If I call for a "crusade against drug use," I'm not thinking about raising armies and only a lunatic would assume I was.

In modern Islam - the kind practiced, for example, by the Tsarnaevs' uncle who told CNN that the bombers "have no right to exist on this earth" - "jihad" simply means an inner struggle to become more spiritual. Incredibly, he even used the word that way in the CNN interview.

Unfortunately there are also dangerous fundamentalists who choose to interpret the word in the most violent way.

It all depends on who's using it and why.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: bobad
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 07:11 AM

Jihad explained:

It's the doctrine of jihad, stupid
Tarek Fatah

Twelve years after 9/11 and the beat goes on. If the news of jihadi terrorist bombings in Boston and Bangalore was not enough to wake us from our collective slumber, the arrests of Chiheb Esseghaier of Montreal and Raed Jaser from Toronto this week certainly should. Though I doubt it.

According to RCMP Assistant Commissioner James Malizia, the two Muslim men were allegedly getting "direction and guidance" from al-Qaida elements in Iran. He added: "Had this plot been carried out, it would have resulted in innocent people being killed or seriously injured."

While ordinary Canadians and non-Muslims around the world are bewildered by these never-ending news reports of terrorism and alleged plots, the response by the leaders of the Islamic community is the tired old cliche — Islam is a religion of peace, and jihad is simply an "inner struggle."

The fact is these terrorists are motivated by one powerful belief — the doctrine of armed jihad against the "kuffar" (non-Muslims).

It is worth noting that not a single Muslim cleric since 9/11 has mustered the courage to say the doctrine of armed jihad is defunct and inapplicable in the 21st century. They rightfully denounce terrorism, but dare not denounce jihad.

The armed jihad launched against the infidels, is clearly promoted by the 20th-century writings of such Islamists as Syed Qutb and Hassan al-Banna of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and the late Syed Maudoodi of Jamaat-e-Islami of Indo-Pakistan.

Young Muslims across Canada and the U.S. are given booklets titled Towards Understanding Islam, written by Maudoodi. In the booklet, Maudoodi exhorts ordinary Muslims to launch jihad, as in armed struggle, against non-Muslims.

"Jihad is part of this overall defence of Islam," he writes.

In case the reader is left with any doubt about the meaning of the word "jihad," Maudoodi clarifies:

    "In the language of the Divine Law, this word (jihad) is used specifically for the war that is waged solely in the name of God against those who perpetrate oppression as enemies of Islam. This supreme sacrifice is the responsibility of all Muslims."

Maudoodi goes on to label Muslims who refuse the call to armed jihad as apostates:

    "Jihad is as much a primary duty as are daily prayers or fasting. One who avoids it is a sinner. His every claim to being a Muslim is doubtful. He is plainly a hypocrite who fails in the test of sincerity and all his acts of worship are a sham, a worthless, hollow show of deception."

If Maudoodi's exhortations are not enough to motivate Muslims to conduct acts of terror, we have the words of the late Hassan al-Banna being distributed in our schools and universities. Al-Banna makes it quite clear that the word "jihad" means armed conflict. He mocks those who claim jihad is merely an internal struggle.

Al-Banna says this redefinition of the term "jihad" is a conspiracy so that "Muslims should become negligent."

And here is what Syed Qutb, another Egyptian stalwart of the Islamist movement and the Muslim Brotherhood, writes in his seminal work on Islam and its relationship with the West, Milestones:

    "A Muslim will remain prepared to fight against it (non-Muslim country), whether it be his birthplace or a place where his relatives reside or where his property or any other material interests are located."

Unless the leaders of Canadian and American mosques as well as the Islamic organizations denounce the doctrine of jihad as pronounced by the Muslim Brotherhood and Jamaat-e-Islami, and distance themselves from the ideology of Qutb, al-Banna and Maudoodi, they stand complicit in the havoc that these jihadis are raining down on the rest of us.

For those who search for the root cause of Islamist terrorism, it's the doctrine of jihad, stupid.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: bobad
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 07:56 AM

It is heartening to see a leader from the Muslim community step up to the plate to condemn Islamism and extremism. Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser, who describes himself as a reform Muslim, says that mainstream Muslims are not doing enough in the fight against extremism and that too many are wallowing in denial and victimhood. And for those here who seem to have a problem with the distinction between Islamism and Islam Dr. Jasser makes it clear enough so that even you should be able to understand it.

Yahoo News


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: bobad
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 07:25 AM

"I also have noticed in general that people using the term "Islamist" are usually trying to imply that all followers of Islam are suspect."

The distinction is clear in my mind, perhaps you are looking for something that isn't there or are yourself unclear on the distinction. I'm sure that with a little effort you can work it out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:15 AM

I also have noticed in general that people using the term "Islamist" are usually trying to imply that all followers of Islam are suspect.

What a stupid statement.
"Islamist" and "Islamism" are recognised and neutral words.
How are we to discuss those issues without using the accepted words for describing them?

You may find discussion of those issues uncomfortable, but that is entirely your problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:00 AM

I cannot help noting that Bobad's posts seem to contain internal contradictions.

I also have noticed in general that people using the term "Islamist" are usually trying to imply that all followers of Islam are suspect.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 02:54 AM

"gillymor, I abhor Islamists and the methods they employ to promote their agenda. Do you agree with them and support their agenda?"

Bobad...If you abhor Islamists so much, why did you support them in most of the recent conflicts in the Middle East and North Africa.

You cant have been unaware that their position and agenda would be massively strengthened by the overthrow of people like Col Gadaffi.

I told you often enough!


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: bobad
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 10:28 PM

"Unfortunately the words "Islamism" and "Islam" are so similar as to invite confusion.

That's why I prefer to say "violent jihadists" or something like that."

Ignorance is no excuse for bad manners and false accusations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: bobad
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 10:05 PM

"Does that designation include Christian and Jewish jihadists?"

Another attempt at a false equivalence, Greg's on a roll tonight.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 09:58 PM

False equivalence

How so? Please be specific.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: bobad
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 09:54 PM

"As others do not understand the distinction between Judaism and Zionism."

False equivalence, but nice try.


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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 09:53 PM

That's why I prefer to say "violent jihadists"

Does that designation include Christian and Jewish jihadists?


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