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BS: Show Conservatives this article.

Jack the Sailor 03 Apr 13 - 06:33 PM
GUEST,Arkie 03 Apr 13 - 09:33 PM
Joe Offer 04 Apr 13 - 02:35 AM
Ebbie 04 Apr 13 - 02:49 AM
Jack the Sailor 04 Apr 13 - 02:53 AM
akenaton 04 Apr 13 - 03:05 AM
Les in Chorlton 04 Apr 13 - 03:27 AM
akenaton 04 Apr 13 - 03:34 AM
Jack the Sailor 04 Apr 13 - 03:46 AM
akenaton 04 Apr 13 - 03:53 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 04 Apr 13 - 12:24 PM
Jack the Sailor 04 Apr 13 - 02:42 PM
Greg F. 04 Apr 13 - 05:21 PM
akenaton 04 Apr 13 - 06:01 PM
akenaton 04 Apr 13 - 06:07 PM
Jack the Sailor 04 Apr 13 - 06:42 PM
akenaton 05 Apr 13 - 08:47 AM
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Subject: BS: Show Conservatives this article.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 06:33 PM

The Article Every Liberal Needs To Show a Conservative. It is concise and well written. It won't change minds or tactics.

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/the-article-every-liberal-needs-to-show-a-con

At least you can cut and paste from it to counter the same from certain "conservatives."


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Subject: RE: BS: Show Conservatives this article.
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 09:33 PM

Makes a lot of sense to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Show Conservatives this article.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 02:35 AM

I wonder what happened to it, Jack. It's listed on the Web page of forwardprogressives.com, but I get a "404 not found" error message when I click the link. What did the article say?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Show Conservatives this article.
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 02:49 AM

Joe, it starts out with:
"When you're like me, and I'm assuming there are quite a few, sometimes you hit a point where you can no longer sugarcoat your political arguments. As you hear the same asinine statements constantly repeated, you just hit a point where you want to stand up and say, "Look you babbling buffoon, let me spell it out for you very simply."

"Now, most times we can't do this because the person who we're debating is a friend or relative and we don't want to be overly rude.

"Well, I've decided to do it for you."

and then goes on, addressing point by point the assertions that the far right is fond of making.

It's well done.


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Subject: RE: BS: Show Conservatives this article.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 02:53 AM

It works for me now.

    Works for me now, too. But in case it gets lost, here's a Google link
    -Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Show Conservatives this article.
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 03:05 AM

Sorry Jack, but that article presents very complicated issues in the most simplistic of terms.

That's why I put the inverted commas round the word liberal in many cases......Abortion, homosexuality and the associated legislation are very controversial and deserve to be fully debated and all views heard.
At this time, articles like the one you posted, attempt close down debate and further polarise folks with different opinions.

A proper platform for debate will never be available while public thought is dominated by the media.


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Subject: RE: BS: Show Conservatives this article.
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 03:27 AM

"A proper platform for debate will never be available while public thought is dominated by the media. "

True, true. So what are going to do?


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Subject: RE: BS: Show Conservatives this article.
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 03:34 AM

Well ah'm away tae mah work!....cheers Les :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Show Conservatives this article.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 03:46 AM

Debate is OK for sorting out your own position. It doesn't persuade.

The points in the article are simply for countering simplistic points made by others in FaceBook On placards, Fox News, Mudcat Trolling ;-) posts and other "soundbite" media.

I thought that the author made that clear and so did I. I'm sorry if I didn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Show Conservatives this article.
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 03:53 AM

But countering with equally simplistic points doesn't solve anything.

Les's question on how we can improve the quality of debate deserves an answer, but i have no time at present.

Your post has presented the opportunity for an interesting thread, but we shall see. Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: Show Conservatives this article.
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 12:24 PM

I agree with akenaton. The article was simplistic blab; both true conservatives and liberals would dismiss it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Show Conservatives this article.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 02:42 PM

Again, I don't see debate happening anywhere in any meaningful way, anywhere.

The presidential "debates" are not really debates and certainly are not meaningful explorations of policy.

When one guy is an evil vulture capitalist carrying water for the 2% and the other is a communist, fascist, neo-colonial, foreign born birth certificate hider who plotted with his father who he never saw after the age of ten to destroy American God-given values, you just have to pick a side and cheer when your guy lands a blow.

On the other hand, when your brother in law shares a picture of Obama's head photoshopped onto a picture of Hitler taking a derringer out of a baby carriage you can put this in the comments.

"Obama never said he was going to take your hunting rifles or handguns away. He said he wants universal background checks, a ban on high-capacity magazines and a ban on assault weapons (a ban that every Republican President in the last 30 years, including Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush has supported)."

That's all the author was talking about. If you want to talk about the merits of debate...

"Your post has presented the opportunity for an interesting thread, but we shall see. Ake "

By all means start such a thread. Please leave me out of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Show Conservatives this article.
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 05:21 PM

It won't change minds or tactics.

You bet, Jack, and the 02:42 PM post above is your proof.


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Subject: RE: BS: Show Conservatives this article.
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 06:01 PM

I'm beginning to think that humans need conflict.
I dont think many people are interested in working out why we are divided into "liberals" and "conservatives", these labels signify very little about the folks underneath.

They just seem to define themselves by the labels and shut out all views that do not concur, but the ISSUES require investigation and debate wether YOU wish to be involved or not.

For example, abortion is very complicated,concerning the life of the child, the health of the mother, the rights of the father, religious issues, the rights of the mother to control her own body, the use of abortion to terminate a pregnancy for the convenience of mother and father without regard for the life that they have created.

How can anyone hold one fixed view about such an issue?


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Subject: RE: BS: Show Conservatives this article.
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 06:07 PM

Sorry Jack, that was in response to your post.


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Subject: RE: BS: Show Conservatives this article.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 06:42 PM

"How can anyone hold one fixed view about such an issue? "

The process is pretty simple in the modern information age.

Some are convinced that "Abortion is Murder" then they "follow" the "Obama is an abortion loving antichrist" group on Facebook and get pictures of dead fetuses and with pictures of cute live babies and Italian singers with touching stories about how they were all not aborted on their news feeds all day reinforcing that belief.

Pro abortion folks follow "Fundamentalists are fundamentally mental" on Facebook and look at pictures of blown up clinics and shot doctors all day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Show Conservatives this article.
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 08:47 AM

I hear you Jack.....:0(


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