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BS: Are fewer people posting?

MartinRyan 04 Apr 13 - 12:29 PM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Apr 13 - 11:11 AM
GUEST,The Ghost of Corridus 04 Apr 13 - 10:45 AM
Little Hawk 04 Apr 13 - 10:33 AM
theleveller 04 Apr 13 - 09:19 AM
The Sandman 04 Apr 13 - 08:46 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Apr 13 - 07:44 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Apr 13 - 07:35 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 04 Apr 13 - 06:35 AM
GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 04 Apr 13 - 06:28 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Apr 13 - 05:30 AM
GUEST,surreysinger sans cookie 03 Apr 13 - 10:00 PM
The Sandman 03 Apr 13 - 08:04 PM
Little Hawk 03 Apr 13 - 05:43 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 03 Apr 13 - 03:10 PM
GUEST,Ralphie 03 Apr 13 - 03:10 PM
Dave the Gnome 03 Apr 13 - 02:24 PM
Little Hawk 03 Apr 13 - 02:02 PM
Little Hawk 03 Apr 13 - 01:59 PM
GUEST,Ralphie 03 Apr 13 - 01:56 PM
Dave the Gnome 03 Apr 13 - 12:57 PM
The Sandman 03 Apr 13 - 12:03 PM
The Sandman 03 Apr 13 - 11:53 AM
Jeri 03 Apr 13 - 11:28 AM
Dave the Gnome 03 Apr 13 - 11:04 AM
GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 03 Apr 13 - 10:19 AM
John MacKenzie 03 Apr 13 - 08:54 AM
Dave the Gnome 03 Apr 13 - 08:46 AM
number 6 03 Apr 13 - 08:41 AM
GUEST,Peter 03 Apr 13 - 07:47 AM
John MacKenzie 03 Apr 13 - 07:38 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 03 Apr 13 - 07:35 AM
Richard Bridge 03 Apr 13 - 06:27 AM
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Dave the Gnome 03 Apr 13 - 06:22 AM
Vic Smith 03 Apr 13 - 06:03 AM
Dave the Gnome 03 Apr 13 - 05:51 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 12:29 PM

The crucial question is - At what stage does the Mudcat community acknowledge the degree of change, ask Max to change the site's badging - and cease luring in the musically-inclined under false pretences? . Simples, really.

Regards


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 11:11 AM

Don, you misrepresent me, and my views.
Nothing you just said about me is true.
I have rebutted all your accusations on the Israel thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: GUEST,The Ghost of Corridus
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 10:45 AM

I don't know about people, but fewer hamsters have been posting since I died.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 10:33 AM

Oh I see, Dave. Okay, fair enough then.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: theleveller
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 09:19 AM

So are fewer people posting? Well I, for one, only post occasionally now, and returning for a quick look from time to time reinforces my decision. For the reason, you just have to look at some of the posts on this thread and others, particularly on BS, by the Mudcat lunatic fringe. I've never felt bullied – I'm more than capable of sticking-up for myself - but, much as I love a good 'discussion', I've realised that nothing you say on here is ever going to change anyone's opinion and will, instead, merely add to their onanistic lust for controversy. And, quite frankly, I've got better things to occupy me these days than pissing into the wind. Pity, really, because there are some good people around – I agree that Bruce, in particular, is a complete sweetie, but we can keep in touch directly now – and although I've made some real friends over the years, most of them no longer come around here anymore.

I'll continue to drop in occasionally and you may see me around t'internet now and again (I've a few projects on the go, mainly creative, environmental and poetic), either as theleveller or as my alter-ego, Pete Thompson.If you do stumble across me, say 'hi'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 08:46 AM

I believe that one must try and be polite whatever someones political opinions, entrenched positions gain nothing, likewise most political discussions on this forum achieve little imo.
for the record, last easter sunday, i stood out in the pissing rain for an hour demonsrating against irelands austerity cuts, in my opinion, if you want to try and change something get out and demonsrate, being impolite to others on this forum will not change anything.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 07:44 AM

Oh - Just noticed -

nor anyone else on here.

That isn't true. I do know some of the people on Mudcat very well. Having met, played, sung and drank with them I think I can safely say that!

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 07:35 AM

I lost my last post :-( Ah well. I'll try to remember it as best as I can and apologies if I have posted it and it was, for some reason, deleted. If it was the latter - can whoever deleted it let me know please?

Like the earlier one of Jeris I am not sure what brought Lizzies rant on but I shall try to answer the questions it seems to pose -

1. I have never pretended to know anyone any better than I do.
2. I do not try to get anyone to see her as anything.
3. I have never posted as anyone but myself. I have changed my name twice and back again but that was completely transparent and available for all to see.
4. I have never, apart from by accident and due to teh cookie monster, posted as Guest.
5. I do not know what I am supposed to be healing and, finaly
6. I don't need to read my own words - I wrote them:-)

Maybe there is some confusion as to who I am but I can assure all concerned that there is only one of me!

Then, coming back to the thread, perhaps a factor in peopel posting less is the number of confusing comments?

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 06:35 AM

""kieth a hertford, views may or may not be the same as mine, personally I think that the middle east is a very complicated problem, that is full of different shades of grey, but he has a right to argue his case without being bullied, harassed or abused.""

I am as aware as the next man of the complicated nature of the Middle East situation. I am also aware of the infinite number of shades of grey between black and white.

Keith A is not! For him:-

Where Israel is concerned, there is only Black and White, Good and Evil.

Israel = White; Good!
Palestine Black; Evil!

Where Israel is concerned, there are no complications! Israel = Right!

Just trot through his posts on the subject and really look at what he says.

"He can substantiate all his claims!" Why, do you suppose, does he never do so?

Look at his response to evidence presented, from whatever source. Does he examine, assess, check, before deciding whether to accept or reject?

Does he buggery! All sources, including Israeli ones, are immediately dismissed out of hand as "anti Israel", "antisemitic", or just plain "liars".

All eye witnesses are liars, all publications are anti Israel, and the UN is antisemitic.

He is incensed by the fact that the Islamic members of the UN (whom he refers to as ""nasty little Islamic republics"") are able to push through resolutions to redress Israeli transgressions, but not willing to admit there were transgressions to redress.

This one eyed, blinkered, hard line pro Israeli bigot is the man you describe as ""REMARKABLY RESTRAINED"".

How long must anyone be expected to remain polite to him?

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 06:28 AM

Please read your own words, Dave...for you are right, for once, in that you know NOTHING about me, nor anyone else on here.

So, just stop trying to get others to see ME through your twisted and perverted vision of who you THINK I am, when you know NOTHING about me WHATSOEVER.


As to your words here, I would offer the following advice, which is, Phyiscian, Heal Thyself.

>>>>"...But, then again, I am not sure if any brain could dream up some of the more ghastly personas... ;-)"<<<


I would also like to suggest that Mudcat has a special thread of 'Guest Aliases' where people can see WHO these 'Guests' actually are, their real names being revealed..with the ability to track their posts, so that others can see if they have come in as Guests PURELY to add foul, confusing or nasty comments about others and to others.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 05:30 AM

BTW, Little Hawk, I only meant I know the truth about me. And even then it is half guessed :-) I know nothing whatsoever about anyone else. In fact, I think more than half of you are a figment of my fevered imagination. But, then again, I am not sure if any brain could dream up some of the more ghastly personas... ;-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: GUEST,surreysinger sans cookie
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 10:00 PM

Sorry - I hit the button there unintentionally. After considering a potential knee jerk reaction posting, I decided that I was not going to put anything into this rapidly degenerating discussion. And looking at it, maybe my last unintentional "comment" was a bit more relevant to the subject matter of the thread than some of the more recent ones ? I'll disappear again...


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 08:04 PM

I am trying to say that it should be possible to communicate with people with different political opinions in a manner that is not abusive.
Don you happen to be a conservative, I am not, I have never abused you for having different political opinions to me, unlike many people on the folk scene, i make no judgements on people because they vote in a particular way, i judge them on their behaviour to others. you have always treated me well.. ok , but i do not like you or jim getting aggressive to other posters on mudcat, that does not mean i dislike you as a person, it just means I think that you are not handling certain issues on this forum, well.
kieth a hertford, views may or may not be the same as mine, personally I think that the middle east is a very complicated problem, that is full of different shades of grey, but he has a right to argue his case without being bullied, harassed or abused.
nothing on these discussion sites like mudcat about politics will make any difference to their final outcome, certainly nothing from people in entrenched positions, all this name calling is a waste of time
there are also certain people on the folk scene who pretend to be socialist who behave in a capitalistic manner., Ijudge them in the same way, that judgement is made on how they behave and on how i observe they treat me and others.
I repeat joanne crump, dave eyre, ralph jordan,diane easby, john mackenzie amongst others, took part in a bullying campaign against lizzie cornish, I do notbelieve in waving party political flags, but I will not stand by and see other members lives made miserable
Ralph, I refuse to make any comment about your music despite your continued provocation., it has nothing to do with this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 05:43 PM

It's a different approach to listening to music, Ralphie. I basically grew up in an era when people bought vinyl records of their favorite artists and bands and listened to them at home...not randomly, but quite deliberately, choosing what specific album they were going to listen to rather than selecting something at random from a list of 2500 songs. People listened to the whole album in sequence back then, from the first song to the last song, heard it as a whole work that way, and they usually had about 5 or 10 favorite albums in the collection at any given time.

This is kind of comparable to going to a folk/rock/pop concert....or even to a classical music performance...and paying attention to the same thing for a sustained period of time rather than "channel-surfing" amongst hundreds of different possibilities.

I think it leads to giving the material better attention.

I think that if you give a child 3 or 4 toys, he'll find a lot to do with them....but if you give a child 5,000 toys, he'll get bored very soon, because he doesn't spend enough time with any one of them to get much meaning out of it. His imagination has, in effect, been killed through sensory overload, just like his appetite would be killed if he ate (or tried to eat) 10 meals in a single day.

People in this society now are being affected just like that child, in my opinion. They're being (mentally) killed with sensory overload, mostly through the ever-present digital media, advertising, and mass media broadcasting and entertainment...all of which is done to make somebody very rich. That somebody is about 1 % of the population...those at the top of the social pyramid.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 03:10 PM

""more abuse from don t.personally Ithought KEITH A WAS REMARKABLY RESTRAINED.""

Thank you Richard. I recall you also were considerably less irascible and opinionated back when I was booking you and enjoying your music.

I'm intrigued! Dope, seems rather innocuous as an epithet for somebody who steadfastly refuses all evidence (not just some, ALL) in his determination to whitewash Israeli oppression of Palestine in general, and Gaza in particular, especially if you compare to some of the things he repeatedly calls me, and which you would have seen if you had read the whole thread.

I could just bow out and say nothing, but I seem to recall others in history being called much worse names for turning a blind eye to oppression from an entirely diffent direction.

I happen to believe it is incumbent on an honest man, not to turn away and pass by on the other side.

Your mileage may vary, though I've heard some very questionable language from you too.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 03:10 PM

Ah Little Hawk. Fair point well made. The I Pod lives in the car 2500 songs on shuffle. You never know what's coming next, and no buttons to press!


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 02:24 PM

Like falling off a log, LH. Trouble is I have fell off soooo many times :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 02:02 PM

Ralphie, I don't even have an ipod. I still listen to CDs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 01:59 PM

"I know the truth." Yeah, right, Dave! ;-) Everyone here knows "the truth".

Just ask them. They'll talk your ear off with "the truth".

Everyone here also basically, same as you, doesn't give a toss (or a shit or a tinker's damn or a flying fuck) about what others think about anything, and they're not afraid to say so. Their ruggedly impressive personal independence is akin to that of a Greek God!

And that's why it's such a lovely little place to spend one's time in! ;-D

But getting old isn't easy, is it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 01:56 PM

(note the use of my real name) Dick. The fact that I always use my real name, (unlike you) Tends me to think that I'm in no way a troll. As for flaming. all I've ever said is that I personally find your music a bit dull. Just my opinion. I find Mariah Careys music a bit dull. along with Wagner. and many others as well; I can't recall ever swearing at you (or indeed anyone!) Carry on insulting me if you like. It doesn't bother me. But your recordings don't feature on my I Pod. (as I'm sure mine don't feature on yours) Hope the rest of day is good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 12:57 PM

Not sure what brought that on but be honest, Jeri, I couldn't give a toss what people I neither know nor care about think. I know the truth. Now, having said that I will repeat what I said earlier. I am not going to get involved in stupid arguments and petty bickering so excuse me if I don't say any more.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 12:03 PM

more abuse from don t.personally Ithought KEITH A WAS REMARKABLY RESTRAINED. THIS SORT OF TEDIOUS CHILDISH BEHAVIOUR IS WHAT IS DRIVING PEOPLE AWAY FROM MUDCAT
it is why i think the bs section serves little purpose.look at this nasty post calling someone a f####wit is out of order
Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T - PM
Date: 14 Feb 13 - 10:54 AM

"Not true", or "Didn't happen", or "They closed the tunnels", are not answers, they avoid answering.

You routinely post such nonsensical responses to avoid having to justify your attitudes to a multitude of subjects.

A full screen of evidence that there is more than one possible reason gets the response "They closed the tumnnels".

Duhh! We knew that F**Kwit, we were discussing why, and who was responsible.

What do you believe was the constructive contribution to that discussion resulting from your inane comment?

Dishonesty is very much a part of your bag of tricks, not ours. You don't even post opinion any more, just denial, and your input has become a pathetic waste of hot air.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 11:53 AM

here is an example of Don T, BREAKING THE RULES OF MUDCAT.
calling someone a dope is impolite, provocative flaming trolling, just one example of a ridiculous assault by don and jim carroll upon keith a of hertford. i do not have a strong opinion on tis subject either way , but i do believe keith has a right to state his point of view without having this kind of endlleess crap thrown at him.
Don your tedious mud slinging on this forum along with jim carroll,is in my opinion does not portray you in a good light, and gives mudcat a bad name.From: Don(Wyziwyg)T - PM
Date: 06 Feb 13 - 05:53 AM

""Don, was Britain invaded thousands of times in 1940.
Of course an airstrike is not an invasion, silly!""

You really are a dope! Britain was in an ongoing formally declared situation of armed hostilities with Germany, hostilities which were currently operating on both sides.

""Syria has invaded Israel several times and fired thousands of artillery rounds into Israel.""

Since you cannot, or will not answer awkward questions, I'll save you the trouble.

The last time open hostilities (Official State of War) existed between Israel and Syria was the 1973 Yom Kippur War.

Since then the following have occurred:-

""The Israeli Invasion of Lebanon (1982-1984)--In response to repeated guerrilla attacks by the PLO, which were launched from South Lebanon, Israel invaded with the intent of destroying Arafat's forces. Syria, which maintained a large army in Lebanon, fought Israel and suffered an embarrassing defeat. See The Israeli-Lebanon Conflict (1978-Present).

Israeli Air Strike on Syria (October, 2003)-- Israeli warplanes hit the Syrian village of Ain al-Saheb, near Damascus.

Israeli Air Strike on Syria (Sept. 6, 2007)—Israeli warplanes overflew northern Syria, dropping ordnance on a (publicly) unknown target. According to both the New York Times and ABC News, the target was a nuclear facility being built with North Korean aid and assistance. See War and Conflict Journal's article on this attack.

As of April, 2010, tensions between Syria and Israel were rising, with Israeli sources indicating that Syria was transferring powerful Scud missiles to the Hezbollah Islamist militia in Lebanon. See an interesting article about the possible ramifications of this development toward a possible new Israel-Syria war at Plotting the Next Mideast War

Nakba Day Border Incidents-on May 15 and June 5, 2011, Palestinian demonstrators demostrated on the Syrian-Israeli border, and attempted to cross the border into Israel. Israeli security forces opened fire, killing several of the protestors. Syria claimed up to 23 were killed and hundreds wounded in the June 5 incident. Israel accused Syria of planning and instigating the incident to draw attention away from Syria's own internal uprising.

Golan Heights Tensions (2012)--With the increasing violence of the Syrian Civil War, The appearance on November 3, 2012, of three Syrian tanks in the demilitarized zone near the UNDOF buffer in violation of the cease-fire agreement raised tensions.

Israeli-Syrian Fighting Along Golan Border (2012)

    November 11, 2012, in the midst of a battle between Syrian government forces and rebels, the Syrian army fired a mortar shell that landed near an Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) outpost at Tel Hazeka in the Golan Heights. The Israeli forces then fired back into Syrian territory. This marks the first time since the conclusion of the 1973 Yom Kippu/Ramadan War that Israel has fire into Syria from their positions in the Golan Heights.

    November 12, 2012-- In response to another artillery round from Syria which landed near an Israeli post, Israeli tanks fired back, making a direct hit on the Syrian artillery units that fired into Israeli--held Golan territory.

    January 30, 2013--Israel launched air strikes into Syrian territory. Among the targets were a convoy believed to be transferring arms from Syria to Hezbollah, and Scientific Studies and Research Center in Jamarya northwest of Damascus, which was believed to be a biological weapons research center. The Israeli planes entered Syrian airspace near Mt. Hermon, flying in low at dawn to avoid radar detection.

Sources and Links:

    http://world.time.com/2013/02/01/the-fallout-from-the-air-raid-on-syria-why-israel-is-concerned/#ixzz2JlofwUYJ""

So Syria is responsible for:-

One demonstration in which only Syrian demonstrators were killed and wounded.

Three Syrian tanks in the de-militarised zone.

One mortar shell and one artillery round landing in the Golan Heights (which, since they took place during the current internal civil war in Syria, may well have been accidental).

April, 2010, Israeli sources indicating that Syria was transferring powerful Scud missiles to the Hezbollah Islamist militia in Lebanon (even if you believe in the honesty of those sources, "indicating" hardly implies certainty).

January 30, 2013 a convoy believed to be transferring arms from Syria to Hezbollah, and Scientific Studies and Research Center in Jamarya northwest of Damascus, which was believed to be a biological weapons research center (again "believed" to be hardly implies certainty. Geedubyah "believed" that Saddam had WMDs.)

Moving on, in the same period Israel is responsible for:-

Invading Lebanon and routing forces from Syria, which were defending that country, with devastating effects on the Lebanese infrastructure.

Air Strike on Syria (October, 2003)-- Israeli warplanes hit the Syrian village of Ain al-Saheb, near Damascus (no reason given for that one).

Air Strike on Syria (Sept. 6, 2007)—Israeli warplanes overflew northern Syria, dropping ordnance on a (publicly) unknown target. According to both the New York Times and ABC News, the target was a nuclear facility being built with North Korean aid and assistance (presumably somebody leaked that story, maybe Israeli intelligence, d'ye think?).

The above is the historical record of interaction between Israel and Syria since 1973, 40 years ago.

Where are the thousands of artillery shells fired into Israel?

Where is the State of declared war?

Based on what has actually happened, rather than on Keith's flights of Pro Israel fancy, which of the two looks more like the aggressor?

It's a simple question.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 11:28 AM

Dave, if you want people to believe you aren't a stalker and a bully, you should maybe stop acting like one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 11:04 AM

Whale Oil Beef Hooked!

:D


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 10:19 AM

Dick, just listening to you singing 'My Son David' again...and enjoying every minute of it. :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 08:54 AM

Shoulder oil, I think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 08:46 AM

Are they done in vegetable oil or beef dripping?

:D


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: number 6
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 08:41 AM

John Mackenzie ... sure, I'll take you up on that offer for some chips, thanks ... pass the bag over here.

I have few minutes to spare before I go and fold the laundry.

biLL .. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 07:47 AM

The stats are quoted somewhere above and the answer is yes.

My experience is that this is a pretty general phenomenon, or is it that I just look at the wrong forums?

OK, Mudcat has its own internal issues as expounded at tedious length in this thread but is that the sole reason for the decline?


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 07:38 AM

Bag of chips, anybody?


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 07:35 AM

Looking at the steadily worsening aggro, I'm inclined to think your question is being answered very clearly, if somewhat longwindedly Dave.


""JtS: I certainly did mean above the line. And I know of two young people (under 20) who joined and quit because of the nasty way they were treated when they tried to discuss things in the music section.""

JtS has a point.

I can't be the only one, other than him, who has seen an unfortunate newby, ignorant of Mudcat ways, get thoroughly squelched by certain members who seem to lie in wait for them, almost eager to deliver a "Read the f**king manual" response.

While I'm in the mood, it seems ironic that people from the music section who are constant whiners about what they see as the aggression and bullying in political threads below the line, seem to be perfectly happy to dscend and knock seven barrels of crap out of each other about their appreciation of music.

More ironic still that one of them should comment that Mudcat would be better without BS, and should more properly be all about his thread above about partial capos.

I'm amazed that the incongruity of this has seemingly bypassed all concerned.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 06:27 AM

Oops, wrong Fred


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 06:26 AM

That C will not finger. Or hardly. It works out as

3(thumb)
3 (thumb)
2 (capo)
5 (3rd finger barre)
5   (3rd finger barre)
5    (3rd finger barre)

Or you could use ring and little finger and leave the top string open.

NOT handy in a hurry harry!


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 06:22 AM

Nice one Vic :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Vic Smith
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 06:03 AM

Are fewer people posting?
Yes
Why?
The relentless nature of this particular thread may provide a clue.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 05:51 AM

I'm sorry, Dick, but I give up. This thread is about why fewer people are posting in general. I am not going to get involved in personal gripes and spurious arguments. Please feel free to continue if you must but I will try to stick to the topic.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 05:40 AM

...........ermmmm, I may be mistaken, but I think I read in the FAQs for this site that it's recommended that squabbling should not continue on open forum but instead be continued via pm's.

That way,the almost perpetual,puerile bickering can be out of sight & if needed more private.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 05:05 AM

dave, the whole kernel of the matter , this is a music discussion forum, clips about music are the only reason i come here.
this site would be better in my opinion if people discussed music only, i can go to facebook[a relatively well moderated site and can read garbage about peoples breakfasts]a site where there is relatively little abuse.
if every member of this site emulated members such as string singer or mcgrath of harlow, this place would be better, it is down to each individual member to look at their posts subjectively and not to have a knee jerk reaction, and take time before they post.
this site needs up dating, the business of having to create a link is outdated.
dave there is a difference between bullying and criticism, and the right to disagree here is an example.

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Subject: RE: my son david dick miles 5 string banjo
From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 02 Apr 13 - 09:22 AM

Apologies Dick - though there are considerable similarities in both.
Jim Carroll
BTW - enjoyed the singing but I feel it doesn't need the banjo.
that is a perfect example of acceptable criticism, telling someone that the less said about their cd is not, it breaks the mudcat rules it is at least impolite, telling someone to fuck off is not, telling someone they will never play in a folk club in the south east is not, telling someone that they will play to smaller audiences is not acceptable., bring in a smear campaign about something that happened on another forum IS NOT ACCEPTABLE
it is up to members to discipline them selves and police them selves


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 04:28 AM

Ake,

I suggest you UK ers take a look at what you have been posting and get a life!

I am a UK er, I have had a look at what I have been posting and I do believe I have a life. I can't see why asking a question about whether fewer people are posting would indicate I have nothing else to do. I have recently moved house, I regularly go to gigs, I used to run a folk club but the move has put me out of the area, I have a family who visit on an alarmingly regular basis, I hike around the countyside, practice the concertina, accordian and guitar and occasionaly wonder if I can actualy fit everyting in! But I still find time to ponder pointless questions occasionaly :-)

What sort of life do you suggest I get?

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 03:35 AM

FFS......I suggest you UK ers take a look at what you have been posting and get a life!

Egotistical nonesense......I dont think our friends in the US are so fucking self absorbed.

They must be splitting their sides laughing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 02:58 AM

No, honestly, Richard: I genuinely didn't know what that rule referred to, & really was seeking enlightenment. I am something of a Cat-newbie, remember, less than 4 years, which is something of which you are entirely aware; and that rule, as I have learned from some PMs [for which thank you, guys], was before my time. I do not indulge in terminological inexactitudes, & you really have no basis for, or right to express, any such accusation.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 01:45 AM

Dick, I think you are being inconsistent. You pose the question "what the hell has my music got to do with this thread" and yet your very first post on this thread refers to a clip about five string banjo technique -

i very recently came across this helpful you tube clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4DWcpYOQM0

What on earth has a five string banjo got to do with it either?

I know you have every right to post on this thread, as does Ralph and anyone else who would care to do so. But I would prefer if it was not derailed by pointless bickering and incomprehensible (to me) arguments.

As I said before, there also seems to be an inability by some folk, and this includes you, Dick, to see that there is a difference between criticism and bullying. Please think about that and see if you can accept that a lot of what you are referring to is indeed valid criticism. When you are a professional artist you must see that not everyone will like you. When they say that they don't, for whatever reason, it is not personal or bullying. It is just what happens to paid performers.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Apr 13 - 07:23 PM

M the GM - please read your own words: "You are free to be anything you want EXCEPT unkind, impolite, argumentative, snooty, or either FOR or AGAINST that of-what*-we-do-not-speak.
.,,.
I hate to appear either naive or ignorant ~~ but what is that, please?"

You know that perfectly well and your faux-naif protestation is essentially a terminological inexactitude.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Apr 13 - 06:17 PM

Ralphie at it again, trolling and flaming, what the hell has my music got to do with this thread apart from the fact you dissed it before, so why repeat your rudeness?
    you know that you bullied lizzie cornish, and many of your comments to me were personal attacks that were deleted by mods some of those comments used bad language.
I have no comment to make upon your music.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Apr 13 - 06:03 PM

Richard: Your last post is, in part, addressed to me; it seems to be in reply to something I have posted on this thread, on which I have in fact posted nothing but an enquiry about the ex-member Elsie who had been ref'd to; and refers to some points you seem to think I have made which I have no recollection of, & some messages [PMs?] which I have received from you of which I have likewise no recollection.

Here is what you actually posted above ~~

"The inability to discuss certain areas of "political thought" is also a handicap. MtheGM, you DO indeed know what that is as I have messaged you about some of it and teh misuse of your name or image on other sites, so your pretence that you do not know is another aspect of trolling."

It would be an understatement to assert that I have not the vaguest notion as to what you are on about in this post, or how it relates to anything on this thread, to which, I repeat, I have barely contributed, & have certainly made no comment as to the expressability of any view, political or otherwise; or what 'trolling' [a serious accusation in the context of this forum] I am supposed to have been indulging in.

If, as appears possible, you are raking up some old exchanges of which I have no immediate recall, some ref would be helpful in understanding what is going on in your mind.

As it would seem here that I am being attacked for reasons which I find entirely incomprehensible, would it be too much to request some clarification, please?

Thanks in anticipation ~

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 02 Apr 13 - 05:38 PM

Dick. Thanks for the insulting remarks. You're quite right. I didn't find yout last recording very exciting (Mind you Napalm Deaths last waxing left a lot to be deired too!) You probably think my last CD was crap as well. Your prerogative. I don't mean to lose any sleep over your thoughts on the matter. So, carry on with the insults if you wish. I really don't mind one way or t'other,


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Apr 13 - 05:12 PM

I have no wish to have interaction with a sneaky malicious troll who clearly has an axe to grind, who comes on to this thread with the sole intention of discrediting me.
I came on to this thread to give my opinion that i thought lizzie cornish had been bullied,
the people that did this were john mackenzie, ralph jordan, ruth archer,folkie dave, to name a few, it should have been stopped long before it was.
i too have received personal abuse, there was some anonymous person who claimed i had run a concertina workshop at lewes and that i was incompetent, the organiser of the lewes workshops pointed out that i had in fact never done a workshop for them, what sort of people do this stuff, malicious, nasty, sneaky cowards, the same sort of people who go informing and sneaking to the owners of concertina net, people with malicious hidden agendas.
then we have the curious banning from this site of roger galt[shambles]
ok, moderators are all volunteers trying to do their best, but on both occasions they have either acted too late or unfairly.
my suggestion is that the bs site is closed


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Apr 13 - 04:57 PM

Very good points indeed, Stim. Strange thing is though that if the other sites are taking 'custom' away from here it is quite a slow migration. 20% fewer postings than last year and a lot of that could be down to better spam filters. I would expect the lure of YouTube et al to have created a larger loss of posts. Maybe there is a big loss here but a some gains from another source? I suppose we can only guess. But at least that is better than all the other stuff going on in this thread!

Will you lot stop it please. You know who you are!


Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Apr 13 - 04:15 PM

Pretty accurate summary there.


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