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Subject: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: TIA
Date: 02 Mar 13 - 12:14 PM

From Science Daily:

"There is no valid scientific basis for denying same-sex couples the right to legal marriage, or to deprive them of considerable benefits of the institution, according to legal briefs filed with the U.S. Supreme Court by the American Psychological Association and other leading mental health associations."

"The briefs cite empirical scientific evidence that demonstrate that "homosexuality is a normal expression of human sexuality, is generally not chosen and is highly resistant to change." Likewise, "there is no scientific basis for concluding that gay and lesbian parents are any less fit or capable than heterosexual parents, or that their children are any less psychologically healthy and well-adjusted," according to the briefs."

"Joining APA in filing the Windsor and Perry briefs were: the American Academy of Pediatrics; American Medical Association; California Medical Association; American Psychiatric Association; American Psychoanalytic Association; and National Association of Social Workers. Also joining the Windsor brief were: the New York City and New York state chapters of the National Association of Social Workers and the New York State Psychological Association. Also joining the Perry brief were the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy; the California Chapter of NASW and the California Psychological Association."


Science Daily


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 02 Mar 13 - 12:44 PM

Not a single one with a political axe to grind.

Just medical professionals and genuine Counsellors and Social workers, every one with a string of real qualifications.

That about wraps up the argument.

It's good to see!

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Wesley S
Date: 02 Mar 13 - 01:05 PM

I'll get the popcorn!


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Mar 13 - 03:41 PM

Case closed!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest form Sanity
Date: 02 Mar 13 - 11:21 PM

Yeah...i remember in the early to mid '70's, when the funding and grants were coming in, to most of those groups, and the tune was beginning to change. Don Firth even acknowledged that in the prop 8 thread.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 12:21 AM

Lying as usual, Goofball.

Find the specific post where I said that and post a link to it, or shut the hell up.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 02:04 AM

...and when I do...will YOU shut the fuck up???

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 05:44 AM

..while I was looking I found these tidbits:


GfS: "For anyone's information ONLY.02% got that??..2/10,000, are born, with a gene that is claimed by 97% of homosexuals claim they are born with, that makes them 'unable' to be attracted to the opposite sex, and in fact, gives them the 'attributes' of being a female being trapped in a male body, and vice versa!!"

Dinko Firth: "Since it may very well have a genetic component, that means that discrimination against folks with same-sex orientation is like discrimination against people with blue eyes, or different shaped eyes, or differently shaded skin.
It is a civil rights issue."

"Since it may very well have a genetic component...." ...How about establishing a little beyond, "it may very well"....

GfS: "Don, As I posted in an earlier post, political pressure was applied to get the medical community, and its training, in the professions, to change homosexuality from a dysfunction, ..."P.S...Don, those pressures, I spoke of, on my prior post, just to clarify, were done in the mid seventies."


...and by the way, "..."There is no valid scientific basis for denying same-sex couples the right to legal marriage, or to deprive them of considerable benefits of the institution, according to legal briefs filed with the U.S. Supreme Court by the American Psychological Association and other leading mental health associations."

"American Psychological Association and other leading mental health associations."..BEHAVIORAL!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 06:34 AM

""GfS: "For anyone's information ONLY.02% got that??..2/10,000, are born, with a gene that is claimed by 97% of homosexuals claim they are born with, that makes them 'unable' to be attracted to the opposite sex, and in fact, gives them the 'attributes' of being a female being trapped in a male body, and vice versa!!" ""

Good old Goofie! Straight in with both feet in his mouth, showing all and sundry that he doesn't know the difference between "homosexual" and "transexual" (""gives them the 'attributes' of being a female being trapped in a male body, and vice versa!!"")

More evidence of the triumph of bigotry over knowledge!

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 07:54 AM

I've nothing against same-sex marriage myself, but it seems a bit of a category error to look for scientific arguments for or against. For or against sexual activity, maybe, but 'marriage' is a social construct, not a scientific one, whether homo- or hetro-


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Megan L
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 08:55 AM

same sex coitus the earliest form of birth control


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 01:25 PM

Hmm. I wonder if anal or oral sex might have got there first!


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 01:40 PM

So, DMcG you would then agree that there is no *scientific* reason to deny marriage rights?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 02:00 PM

TIA, I have no problem with marriage rights at all, straight or gay.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 02:24 PM

But to flesh that out, there is no more a scientific reason for or against gay marriage than there is a musical one. It is a completely irrelevant mechanism for deciding the issue.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 02:32 PM

""GfS: "Don, As I posted in an earlier post, political pressure was applied to get the medical community, and its training, in the professions, to change homosexuality from a dysfunction, ..."P.S...Don, those pressures, I spoke of, on my prior post, just to clarify, were done in the mid seventies."""

That's the rather inconvenient thing about science.

Because scientists are always willing to change their conclusions when new evidence suggests a need for such change, they do tend to leave bigots (who by definition ignore all that militates aginst their idee fixe) rather floundering in their wake.

A lot of new evidence has surfaced in the nearly forty years since the mid 1970s and your information is well out of date.

Knowledge, for instance, of DNA and genetics generally, is a quantum leap ahead of where it was back then, but you and your preferred sources of arrant nonsense haven't caught on, or caught up, and it is unlikely that you ever will.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 03:57 PM

Goofball, what you're trying to say I said is so garbled and mush-mouthed, I can't figure out what you're trying to say I said, but whatever it is, it's bound to be a major distortion. You chronically try to twist what I say to suit your own purposes, but there are intelligent people on these threads who know right off what you're doing, That is, if they bother to read your crappola at all!

I have stated my position on this issue and I have stated my reasons, scientific and social. My position is clear and well-known. So why don't you stop making a complete ass of yourself (actually, you're too late for that) by perpetually misquoting me?

Or perhaps my writing is so far above your head that you don't understand what I'm saying.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 07:51 PM

All through the Prop 8 thread I am citing bulletins from the American Psychiatric Association (Clicky #1) and several articles in Psychology Today (Clicky #2) and a number of other such authoritative, scientific sources. Goofball screamed and spit and kicked the wall and swore up and down these were not scientific, and had been prompted by the "political agenda of loony liberals" (!!).

NOW, if I understand his rather opaque prose, he seems to be trying to claim that I "admitted" that these scientific sources are "politically biased!"

Where in the hell did I say anything like THAT!??

And this—person—claims that he is a family counselor!

=======

And then there is THIS most interesting article from Scientific American! Makes fascinating reading in the context of these threads on gay marriage and the motivation of those who oppose it.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 08:40 PM

And while browsing some of these articles, I ran across THIS!

A couple of people here are going to howl like they sat on a hot stove!!

(Snicker snicker).

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: John P
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 09:50 PM

DMcG: But to flesh that out, there is no more a scientific reason for or against gay marriage than there is a musical one. It is a completely irrelevant mechanism for deciding the issue.

The reason it's relevant is that two of the main reasons given for denying civil rights to homosexuals are that they have chosen to live that way and that their way of living is perverted. The scientific evidence presented by these groups shows that it is not a choice and that it is normal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Mar 13 - 02:48 AM

But, actually, even if it were entirely voluntary that has no relevance for whether civil rights should be granted. Civil rights are a matter of agreement, not scientific measurement. For example we don't avoid legislation about trading just because it is voluntary.

I don't deny people often use arguments based on scientific observations in these matters, but that doesn't mean it is sensible to do so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 04 Mar 13 - 03:02 PM

I suspect a couple of people here would surely want everyone to see the YouTube posting of The Ultimate Anti-Gay Marriage Ad.

Only about a minute and a half, the sponsorship notice at the end will be important for some, since they will want to find the organization to offer their support.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Mar 13 - 05:37 PM

Ever wondered who put up the funding for those 'studies'????
Obamacare was well funded, too.....so is the 'decision' about the pipeline!!
I guess, Citizens United is only objectionable....conveniently!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 04 Mar 13 - 07:55 PM

Incoherent and ungrammatical as ever...


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 04 Mar 13 - 11:31 PM

Are you pretty sure that 50+ professional/academic organizations with thousands+ members have been bought off by the extremely wealthy and influential homosexual lobby?

God help your clients "counselor" (because somebody better do it!)

Didja notice the quotes? I hope so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Mar 13 - 12:23 AM

Anything to keep a tenuous grip on his forlorn hope. He's incapable of grasping the concept of integrity.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Mar 13 - 03:45 AM

Yeah...Nobody has a reason to 'fund' any other of the 'left's'(?) policies...like the NDAA, and drones, and Guantanamo, and Solyndra, and Afghanistan, and Citizens United, and the Patriot Act(btw, authored by Biden in '95-'96, BEFORE 911), and Obamacare....nobody who had anything to gain, by funding those wonderful blunders, never reaped a benefit, or made a dime!!
Meanwhile, psychiatrists(especially) are going to back, something they can write a prescription for, and recommend drugs to alleviate symptomatic relief...whereas certain counselors tend to want to dig into the causes of those things....and then you've got the Bozos, who counsel, against known science and psychology, patting them on their heads, ...which understandable...but to promote a sexual practice as a civil rights issue, and turning it into a political policy, thinking it is of the same nature, as a man and a woman raising their own kids, and calling it 'marriage'??

Now just to call your attention to the obvious...(sorta when you can tell when it is built on an agenda)......these quasi-'studies'...report t5hat kids who are raised by homosexuals are 'just fine'...not too many bad side effects...right?.....and of course they've watched the progression of at least three generations, right??....BzzzzT...Wrong!!...At best, the 'study' is incomplete then, isn't it?? That's as silly as saying that the Holocaust had no psychological effects on Jewish kids, of the next generation..or two....but it did, and does.
Now you can bury your heads in the sand, and stop up your ears, as not to consider those aspects...or even address them...because it might be a bit 'inconvenient' for your in depth 'caring'....but then, hey, are you really going to base your 'concerns' on bad science, and counseling for a 'trend' d'jour??
I'd say give it more OBJECTIVE, long view observation, before I'd issue 'results and findings'.....shit, those 'researchers' make more on writing those opinions, than a good author of a good book!
Now if I was saying this to another counselor, who didn't cave in on the pressure, but stuck to what we REALLY know...we would totally understand....but being as I am not, I don't suspect you'd get it....nor do I feel a particular need to prove it. It is what it is.

Now, that being said, you keep bugging me about being a counselor...well in fact I have done some...and very well when I do...but that was not the main reason I studied, as I've posted before...and I've got news for ya'....for all those who think that even the most 'sensitive and benevolent' counselors, who are so 'calm' and 're-assuring' have their own opinions and observations, rolling around in their heads, and even muse about it...or have any private 'dot connecting', that might sound 'out of YOUR perception, of what YOU think that we are about, have another thought coming! I'm not the one, who's head is coming from a political stance, and working my way down!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 05 Mar 13 - 04:26 AM

Can anyone please translate what Alice the Goon just said, preferrably in English?

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 05 Mar 13 - 10:24 AM

"Counselor" has the truth, while the thousands and thousands of other counselors, and the peer-reviewed literature, are all wrong.
And not just innocently wrong, but willfully wrong to advance the homosexual agenda.

I think that's an accurate translation (although I did omit some...okay a lot of...verbosity)


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: frogprince
Date: 05 Mar 13 - 11:16 AM

I would say TIA nailed it.

I think it may work this way; it starts with gfs being spiritually open to a direct flow of musical inspiration that comes straight from God. Once that atunement is there, gfs has an exceptional,perhaps absolutely unique, ability to understand the very mind of God regarding everything, be it psychological, moral, political...absolutely everything.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Mar 13 - 12:05 PM

Donald Duck: "... genuine Counsellors and Social workers, every one with a string of real qualific ..and no 'other interests'
I mean with this kind of stuff, who would ever doubt them!!
READ IT!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 05 Mar 13 - 12:45 PM

Already read it. I subscribe. And it has nothing to do with the OP.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 05 Mar 13 - 01:22 PM

""Donald Duck: "...""

Do try to find an occasional adult response. I haven't heard that very original (NOT!) name calling since primary school.

Now you are 60 years behind the times, you poor dozy sap.

The world just passes you by in your soft warm Walter Mitty world, where you don't have to be the ineffectual nonentity you really are.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Mar 13 - 01:51 PM

Donald: "Do try to find an occasional adult response. I haven't heard that very original (NOT!) name calling since primary school."

What's the matter?...don't you proof read your own posts???????!!!???!!!

GfS

P.S...anything to call attention AWAY from the article, regarding the 'medical' lobbyists!!

Ever notice, how the non-caring political phonies, want to 'close the case', rather than have anyone look TOO deep, into their plastic arguments??


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Mar 13 - 02:57 PM

Fuck me this nutter counsels anyone? Is it any wonder the US murder rate is so high?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Mar 13 - 03:56 PM

Now THAT is what I call a real response, addressing nothing!
Join the collection of ducks!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Mar 13 - 04:03 PM

Madame Tussauds Wax Museum decided, for some reason best known to them, to do a wax figure of Goofball. Once finished, there was the problem of finding an appropriate place to put it.

They couldn't put it next to George Washington. Why? Because George Washington couldn't tell a lie.

They almost decided to put it next to Richard M. Nixon, because Nixon couldn't tell the truth.

The next possibility was to put it next to George. W. Bush, because Bush couldn't tell the difference.

They almost decided to put it next to Christopher Columbus, because Columbus thought he knew where he was going, when he got there he didn't know where it was, and when he got back, he didn't know where he had been.

The decision is still up in the air. They're trying to decide whether to put him next to Columbus—or Bozo the Clown.

And funniest thing of all:   they gave both Goofus and the wax dummy I.Q. tests. And the wax dummy had a higher I.Q. than Goofus.

Well, that was predictable. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Mar 13 - 05:37 PM

...and your 'likeness' was also found at Madame Tussaud's Wax Museum...in the bottom of the white bowl in the restroom.
Are you happy, now?

By the way, Hugo Chavez just died...(speaking of other pieces of shit!).

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Mar 13 - 06:09 PM

Chavez hero, FFS wanking idiot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Mar 13 - 06:15 PM

That's the same phenomenon a Rorschach test is based on, "Counselor," and of course it wasn't an image of me, it was your own interpetation of a meaningless pattern.

Wishful thinking on your part, perhaps, but no significance in the world of the sane.

Are you given to hallucinations often? I'd have that seen to if I were you.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Mar 13 - 07:16 PM

Now of course, some of you may think I'm being a bit 'harsh' when it comes to this topic...but then, really...how would you counsel someone, based on a 'science' that isn't even proven???..Pat them on the head, and tell them it's all Okay...based on their 'feelings'??..and supported by politics, that has been promoting unproven premises???

Sorry..but it is people such as yourselves that has made this a topic blown way out of proportion..because you're running with a ball, that has NO scientific merit. At best, the studies conclude with phrases like, 'studies MAY SUGGEST' or 'indicates the possibility' etc etc...and you think it's not arrogant to console people based on THAT????
Nope, I'd rather stick to what is known, than trying to experiment on people with the unknown.
Fair enough?
(Probably not..after all, this isn't the first time a political notion overshadowed known realities.).

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Mar 13 - 08:00 PM

If scientific findings disagree with Goofball's prejudices (especially if it might affect the "counselors" pocketbook), then of course that means the fags gays and their naive loony liberal friends have bribed the whole scientific community.

Yeah. Sure, Goofball.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 12:31 AM

GfS;

You are totally and abjectly alone.

The community of colleagues that you have always touted to us disagrees with you.
In response you flail incoherently and blame "politics".
I actually pity you.
Truly.
But that won't stop me from opposing you when you spout hateful (and self-hating?) bullshit.

Tonight, I am again basking in the joy of a tremendous (musical in this case*) accomplishment by one of my children whom you so consistently and unthinkingly denigrate.
I really do wish you could share in such things rather than marinate in fear and loathing.







*selected for All-Region Orchestra on french horn to be precise


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 12:48 AM

Many congratulations, TIA! And to the young 'un!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 12:50 AM

Thanks so much Don.
I am proud of her.
And more importantly, she is so proud of herself!


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 01:02 AM

That's what counts.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 02:50 AM

And now, especially for the benefit of Goofus, a contribution from the good professor.

Ready boy?

Woof woof woof!

A little harsh, don't you think?

Woof grrrr woof!

Ok, fair point.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 02:50 AM

Maybe the best place for the fugitive from sanity would be a separate planet - away from all human beings. Totally alone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 04:14 AM

Sorry, but I cannot support a premise based on wishful thinking...nor can I get behind a political agenda pandering to wishful thinking...nor would I base a political platform based on an unsupported premise of wishful thinking.
Insofar as being 'alone' in my thinking...well, that is only what you may think, when all you surround yourself with wishful thinkers...or better yet, delusional, vociferous people.
That would be as absolutely silly, as to think that a guy looks in a mirror, and deludes himself with believing he is the 'woman inside, trying to get out'...fact is, he is not a woman(or vice verse)..he is a guy, most likely finding a sensitive side, within himself uncomfortable.
You can CHOOSE to believe what you want, you can empathize with those who chose to believe what they want, you can agree with those who profit off of supporting a delusion..but Nope..I'm sticking to the factual...

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 07:20 AM

""how would you counsel someone, based on a 'science' that isn't even proven???""

Well I certainly wouldn't suggest they be counselled by a nutjob who is so ignorant of science as to believe that it is ever definitively "proven", and counsels on the basis of having denied all that is known about the subject.

What a prize twat!

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 07:27 AM

""when all you surround yourself with wishful thinkers...or better yet, delusional, vociferous people.""

You really shouldn't be so hard on yourself.

You can't help being delusional, though perhaps your tendency to be vociferous might be eased by a little self control.

You would also benefit greatly from a few English lessons,....and a brain transplant!

Now, if you really think we shouldn't rely on the word of delusional people, maybe you should bugger off!

Don T


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 08:08 AM

Tia.....GfS is not alone in his views. In my locality the vast majority of ordinary people whom i come into contact with, see homosexuality as perversion.
I meet a very large number of people of all classes and political opinions through my work environment.
This forum is highly unrepresentative of public opinion on the subject, as most here are left wing or centre "liberals".
There is a whole different world out there you know, peopled by many who would not fit into the stereotype presented by the entertainment media.....that to be "funny", "talented","cool", one must be homosexual or at least go along with the charade.

Untill the male homosexual health figures come anywhere near those for heterosexuals, I shall continue to assert that male to male sex is not to be encouraged as "safe and healthy". If it is not safe and healthy, then it follows that this behaviour must be dangerous and unhealthy.....unless you can come up with another explanation for the disparity?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 08:23 AM

Thank fuck I live nowhere near you ake - maybe you would like to go and share the fugitive's planet and leave civilisation alone.

Round here thankfully homophobia is rare.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Wesley S
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 08:34 AM

" In my locality the vast majority of ordinary people whom i come into contact with, see homosexuality as perversion."

I always wonder how topics like that show up in actual conversation. "Hmm.. Cold enough for you? Did you watch the game last night? How's the traffic out there? And by the way - don't you think that homosexuality is a perversion?"

So how DO you manage to work it in?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 10:02 AM

LOL Wesley!

I think it just comes out naturally in those BS sessions when the ladies drink tea and the men gather in the closet.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Lighter
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 10:39 AM

In various "localities" it is or has been "widely believed" that slavery is fine, Jews run the world, the tribe over the mountain isn't quite human, the wealthy should be killed and their property parceled out, God favors the few, and/or sex before marriage is a sin.

So what?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: frogprince
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 12:24 PM

On the one hand, you have the pharmacuticals and health care managers: they have a great tendency to push pills for everything, and charge as much as they can get away with. Does anyone really have to ask why?

On the other hand, we have the list that was given of medical, psycological, and psychiatrict organizations who have shifted from insisting that homosexual people need to be treated for their condition to saying that homosexuality is a normal variation in the human condition; no need to shell out money to a therapist or counsellor.

Obviously just different examples of the same dynamic...
er...uhhh....


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Musket
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 12:48 PM

The person masquerading as Akenaton...

If this forum is unrepresentative of public opinion, then bear in mind that personality disorder and criminality are not views, they are problems for society to deal with.

If you think homosexuality is a perversion, then it the same as saying that burglary is OK if the victim has more money than you, or that paedophiles need to be heard.

I will continue to say that whilst ever your odious views are spouted, I shall continue to assert that you have no valid view view in decent society, you have no right to promote crime.

Back in your hole, there's a good chap.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 01:47 PM

Hello Ian :0).....surprised to see YOU coming out from you hole after branding a Cardinal O'Brien "a rapist". The cardinal appears to be a hypocrite, a drunken fool, and a homosexual, but "rape" has not been mentioned in any report that I have read.
If I were you, I would be expecting a call from PC Plod anytime now.

All my expressed opinions on this issue are based on established fact,
The figures are incontrovertible and from impeccable sources, while your foam flecked rhetoric is like most of what you write, bullshit!


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 01:51 PM

BTW....if you took the time to read my post, you would see that i did not say that homosexuality was a perversion.....but do you doubt that the opinion is widely held?....in the UK, US and worldwide?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 02:32 PM

"All my expressed opinions on this issue are based on established fact,
The figures are incontrovertible and from impeccable sources"

Except that nearly all of the relevant professional societies and the peer-reviewed literature disagree with you. Did you not read the link in the OP?

I was wrong about GfS...you are not alone, you are alone with each other.

And pathetic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 03:11 PM

Matthew Shepard was a young, openly gay man, who was attending the University of Wyoming in Casper, Wyoming. The following describes what happened to him:
Shortly after midnight on October 7, 1998, Shepard met Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson for the first time at the Fireside Lounge in Laramie, Wyoming. It was decided that McKinney and Henderson would give Shepard a ride home. McKinney and Henderson subsequently drove the car to a remote, rural area and proceeded to rob, pistol-whip, and torture Shepard, tying him to a fence and leaving him to die.

Still tied to the fence, Shepard, who was still alive. but in a coma, was discovered 18 hours later by Aaron Kreifels, a cyclist who initially mistook Shepard for a scarecrow.

Shepard had suffered fractures to the back of his head and in front of his right ear. He experienced severe brainstem damage, which affected his body's ability to regulate heart rate, body temperature, and other vital functions. There were also about a dozen small lacerations around his head, face, and neck. His injuries were deemed too severe for doctors to operate. Shepard never regained consciousness and remained on full life support. While he lay in intensive care, candlelight vigils were held by the people of Laramie.

Shepard was pronounced dead at 12:53 a.m. on October 12, 1998, at Poudre Valley Hospital, in Fort Collins, Colorado. He was 21 years old.
.I suppose Wyoming (and a number of other areas around the United States) would qualify as a "locality" that Akenaton speaks of where "the vast majority of ordinary people . . . see homosexuality as perversion."

I firmly believe that because of the hate-mongering and homophobia expressed by people such as Goofball and Akenaton, that they share in the responsibility for atrocities such as the brutal murder of Matthew Shepard and others like him. The so-called "scientific data" (not accepted, or actually refuted, by the vast majority of scientist in the field) that people like these two persist in spouting gives fuel to sick minds of sick people such as Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson, Matthew Shepard's murderers.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 03:20 PM

BTW....if you took the time to read my post, you would see that i did not say that homosexuality was a perversion.....but do you doubt that the opinion is widely held?....in the UK, US and worldwide?

I see. You are saying that GfS thinks homosexuality is a perversion but you are not taking a stance on that position.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 07:07 PM

Untill the male homosexual health figures come anywhere near those for heterosexuals, I shall continue to assert that male to male sex is not to be encouraged as "safe and healthy". If it is not safe and healthy, then it follows that this behaviour must be dangerous and unhealthy.....unless you can come up with another explanation for the disparity?

While it's undeniably true that promiscuous male/male sex is more dangerous than promiscuous male/female sex, the key word is "promiscuous". How this fact could be used as an argument against same sex marriage totally escapes me. If anything, it should be an argument for same sex marriage. Absent adultery or a "swinging" lifestyle, married people don't receive or transmit STDs, regardless of the married partners' genders.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 07:11 PM

From the link in the OP:

"In drawing conclusions, we rely on the best empirical research available, focusing on general patterns rather than any single study," the briefs state. All the studies cited in the brief were critically evaluated to assess their methodology, including the reliability and validity of the measures and tests employed, and the quality of data-collection procedures and statistical analyses.


Do your "impeccable sources" rise to this standard?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 07 Mar 13 - 02:49 AM

PC Plod and I have a view in common. If you use and abuse your position to frighten people into having sex with you, there have been successful rape convictions in UK courts. So if the priests make an allegation of rape there could be a case to answer. Not that I am an expert on law but repeating the allegations by a leading QC.

Your weaseling refusal to agree with your own comments didn't go unnoticed. They just appeared to show that even you are beginning to question your outrageous stance on equality and decency.

You then blew it by saying you will carry on stating it, ,presumably without endorsing your own diatribe.

Oh by the way. You lost. Miserably. Not a single political party with a hope of power either side of the Tweed supports a return to mainstream bigotry. So its just you and a few frustrated leaders of superstition. Neither of which are of interest to today's society.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Mar 13 - 07:42 AM

I do not respect the stance of any of our political parties on a whole raft of policies, what they support is what the media dictates.

What is that word you "liberals" are always using to justify your murderous foreign adventures?......Oh yes....democracy! :0)

What allegations of rape?   You made the statement before any allegations of rape and there still have been none?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Musket
Date: 07 Mar 13 - 09:35 AM

There's a coincidence, politicians don't respect your stance either. Not even the more rabid reactionary ones, because even most of them see the difference between reality and prostituting themselves to con idiots like you into voting for them.

Murderous foreign adventures? What the flying has that to do with same sex counselling? Oh, nothing at all. Deflecting from the argument because you are ashamed of what you wrote..

Or should be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 07 Mar 13 - 02:05 PM

If it is not safe and healthy, then it follows that this behaviour must be dangerous and unhealthy.....unless you can come up with another explanation for the disparity?

Like skydiving, bullfighting, mountain biking, TT riding, off piste skiing and mountain climbing, and a couple of dozen more things that some people do for fun.

You're not prattling on about a ban on those, so your concern for the health of gays, who unlike the sportsmen don't choose to accept the dangers, but, according to best medical evidence are born that way, is just so much hot air.

You just don't like the idea that Gays exist, but have to cover that homophobia with a spurious concern.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Mar 13 - 03:42 PM

Is that the best you have you pair of numpties?
I thought even you two would have managed to grasp my meaning

I see irony is wasted.....just go back to debating with your young canine friend Ian......but leave Don out, no sense in straining his mental capacity further.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Mar 13 - 11:53 PM

Akenaton: "I thought even you two would have managed to grasp my meaning."

Impossible!! They, with the help of Don Froths spin 'reporting' have got the impression that we hate something or another, that fits into their agenda of 'hating something, anything, everything', that isn't as small minded as they are. Simple as that!

We type...they make up what we say...and then hate us for what they make up. Don was called on it by several posters when he first started his shit, when i first came on, about the subject. Little Hawk was one of them..and he did so, both politely and and eloquently...but they just go right ahead......being bigoted toward straight people!!!!!!!!!!!!
Try that one on for size!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Amos
Date: 08 Mar 13 - 12:32 AM

"What's going to happen to our MARRIAGE?? Why do these gays want to DESTROY our civilization!??!"



Maybe we should get really, really serious about this stuff? ...








Nahhhhhhh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Mar 13 - 01:21 AM

Torn between deciding if that was silly or dumb...

GfS

P.S. Homosexuals are not half as obnoxious as the 'wannabe liberal do-gooders' who fancy themselves as noble!


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Musket
Date: 08 Mar 13 - 04:38 AM

And that says it all. Goofus says that homosexuals are not half as obnoxious as etc etc.

So, they are obnoxious? I know a couple of obnoxious ones. but I can't say they are obnoxious as a whole. I haven't met them all. They aren't obnoxious for being gay are they?

Sounds like my earlier agreement with the good professor is valid then;

Woof! Woof!


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Mar 13 - 04:55 AM

""Don was called on it by several posters when he first started his shit, when i first came on, about the subject. Little Hawk was one of them..and he did so, both politely and and eloquently...but they just go right ahead......being bigoted toward straight people!!!!!!!!!!!!
Try that one on for size!
""

And how many since have called you on your incoherent, half brained attempts to claim superior knowledge over an army of genuine scientists who have forgotten more than your small minded excuse for intelligence will ever know.

As to being bigotted against straight people, that is the single most stupid comment from you in a long list of stupid comments, especially as you already know that I AM a heterosexual, married for many years, with two children and five grandchildren, you dickhead.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Mar 13 - 10:53 AM

Don T...once again you've confused my post. I was referring to the other Don...OK??

..BUT... I did note your EMPHATIC, 'make no mistake about it' post:
"As to being bigotted against straight people, that is the single most stupid comment from you in a long list of stupid comments, especially as you already know that I AM a heterosexual, married for many years, with two children and five grandchildren, you dickhead."

OK..I believe you..you are heterosexual...when you're out of the closet.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Musket
Date: 08 Mar 13 - 11:31 AM

Hey Ake!

Goofus has just totally and unequivocally stated that being gay is obnoxious. As you usually wade in to agree with him, how about coming off the rickey old fence you reckon you are on (not that anybody can see it) and get it off your chest?

That way, we can dispense with the sham concern you have for people that doesn't actually exist and you know it.

Meanwhile Goofus is not to be condemned. He sincerely needs help.....

Doesn't he boy?

Woof!


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Mar 13 - 02:23 PM

Not "spin reporting," Goofball, just telling it like it is.

And look who's calling who "obnoxious!!"

I am in awe!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Mar 13 - 11:55 PM

Musket: "Goofus has just totally and unequivocally stated that being gay is obnoxious."

I don't know who 'Goofus' is..but nobody said that homosexuals were obnoxious....he said that the political 'activists' were far more obnoxious...like twice as much....

My my, how we like to spin shit!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 12:46 AM

But you provide an endless supply of the stuff.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 04:49 AM

Speaking of that, I have provided this forum with the....

origin of the Aids virus ACCURATELY, and who were the target groups, when it happened and who perpetrated it......you never had that..but you didn't even care to inquire......

The name of the mystery 'marker gene',..which you never knew...but then carried out an act, like you actually knew anything about it..but you never inquired further....

What the 'tip off' was for counselors, when to engage in pursuing probing, when homosexuality may have been the root of other marital problems....you never inquired further....

An accurate account of Dale Homosexual), my sound engineering mentor, and the problems he had with his father(indicative of a GREAT many homosexuals)...you never inquired further....

Gave an account of myself at UCLA Medical Center in Westwood, Calif. when the first AIDS patient showed up...you never inquired further....

Gave accounts of the AIDS warnings that were posted in the West Hollywood bath houses, frequented by homosexuals...you never inquired further....

Pointed out that Akenaton's links and info came right from the CDC..you never inquired further....

Pointed out to you the legal argument, based on the civil rights issue, that you raised...but you never inquired further....

Double checked your erroneous 'studies' pointing out to you that your very link, contradicted your own statements about 'genetic' based nonsense...you never inquired further....

...you never inquired further....BUT you did bitch piss and moan, calling names, and did everything you could conjure up to try to discredit me...you never inquired further....AND ALL for one reason...
You don't give a rat's ass about the psychological make up, nor care about homosexuals as your fellow man....you only care about wanting to garner a reputation of being some sort of influential 'political activist'..who missed out on his time, when it might have mattered. You don't give a shit about anything but how you are perceived by the other 'so-called liberal' phonies, to whom you cater to.

If you would have ever REALLY cared about homosexuals, you would have shown an interest in something other than your IGNOR-antly false data, and even tried to learn something, from which can easily be done in a forum format...you never inquired further....Rather, you just stirred up false biases with your phrase twisting, misquoting, re-arranging the wording of posts, that would have and could have shed light, far deeper, than you trying to impress everyone with your false impressions.

You likened our 'exchanges' to a 'game'..fencing, if you remember...with nothing more than just wanting to 'win' an argument, on your false, and often trumped up, make believe opinions..and it's all in print for everyone to check out. By the way, you know what a 'game' is??...an ego verification!!! (psych-speak)

...and even more information that anyone who was really caring about homosexuality, and the affects of their family, and the inner pain with in them, and their families....you never inquired further....

...your answer is give them whatever 'civil rights' they want, and that would look like you are even remotely involved with..because that's easier than caring!!!..and it is at arm's distance!

Multiple posters have told you to lighten up, with your twisting phrases of other posters, then arguing the twisted phases, as if WE had ever said them in the first place....but...you never inquired further....

YOU are a self absorbed, sick individual, who is still laundering out the FACT that you knocked up a chick you picked up, at a bar, or club..had nothing to do with raising the child, because, as you said, the mother wouldn't let you near them....I bet whatever fomented that position, you would NEVER let out, let alone honestly admit it to yourself...then you want to dictate who should be allowed to parent children..with NO fucking idea what it takes, and without one drop of experience...except what you 'learned' form other kids at some school you went to, and you want to be some sort of advocate, for something you've never had anything to do with...YOU are a FLAMING IDIOT!...and ANYONE who is stupid enough to listen to you, or take you seriously, is in serious question themselves!

...you never inquired further....because you never really cared...and still don't....you just want to be 'looked up to'..and you know why???...because inside that little man is someone who recognizes what a little man he really is.

Do you really want to badger me much further??.....'Cause I'll bludgeon you with a lot more TRUTH than you could EVER handle!

.....you never inquired further....you don't care!

GfS

P.S. Enough said??....or would you care for more...your choice!


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 06:13 AM

You know, this is slightly embarrassing, but I agree with Musket and Don.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 10:07 AM

""I don't know who 'Goofus' is..but nobody said that homosexuals were obnoxious....he said that the political 'activists' were far more obnoxious...like twice as much...""

Goofus is YOU!

And, are you sure that English is your first language?

You cannot be more obnoxious than somebody who is not himself obnoxious, so your sentence absolutely did by implication confirm what we already knew.

You are a homophobe and you are not intelligent enough to hide the fact.

Richard, don't let it worry you mate. There are times when I agree with you.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 11:37 AM

Donald T Duck: "Richard, don't let it worry you mate. There are times when I agree with you."

Take heart Ol' Richard..he also said he agreed with me when I posted that 'fathers' who abandoned their children were the equivalent to 'pig's vomit'....but then sided with a pseudo-intellectual who chose homosexuals over his child!..Go figure...but at least we got Ol' Ducky-Boy pegged!
Most of his other posts make very little sense at all...scroll back and look...I didn't make this shit up..it's ALL there!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: frogprince
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 01:21 PM

Note to gfs; please stop printing other people's posts and running them through the cuisenart before reading them and responding to them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: gnu
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 01:27 PM

I *HAD* to go to the marriage counsellor ahhhhgain, on Friday. He said we had to start ALL over and he wanted to find out how much we know agout each other. He asked me what her favourite flower is and after I thought hard, I said "All Purpose" which was apparently wrong because she walked out. I got stuck fer $80 ahhhhgain so I stayed we shot the shit for the hour. Next time, I am bring beer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: frogprince
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 01:35 PM

I had a blind date once with a flour child. Not a flower child, a flour child. This gal was so fat, if you wanted to find where to mess around with her, you had to roll her in flour and look for the damp spot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 01:42 PM

Goofball, you have done NONE of the things you claim to have done in your 10 Mar 13 - 04:49 AM post.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 01:54 PM

I have no issue whatsoever with Bridge agreeing with me. Now of course the other way around would be disturbing...

But get this. It happens.   

That is because Bridge is a member of the human race and is susceptible to domestication. Goofus on the other hand seems to orbit another planet whilst Akenaton appears to inhabit a bitter twisted place where he sits and festers on his personal issues.

So.. counseling on marriage? Sure. It exists and here in The UK it shall shortly apply to all marriage not just heterosexual ones.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 02:15 PM

Well you probably didn't read them the first time, because you scan the posts, hurriedly, waiting to find a phrase you can pick up on, to prove your 'masculinity' and to try to impress people with your 'intellectual prowess'..when in reality, if you would actually read them, other than seeing if YOU are mentioned...you might have learned something...or inquired to expand your understanding,,,but then why should you, you already know it all....a legend in your own wine!

GfS

P.S. They all got right by you...why you ol' hunk of perception!


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 03:38 PM

I'm quite a thorough reader, Goofball, although your crappola prompts me to reach for the red pencil to correct you grammar. And I don't read your crappola to pick on anything, I read it in the vain hope of finding a glimmer of intelligence in there somewhere—so far, without success.

You did NOT say any of those things, and I think that others who had the perseverance to put up with your ravings will verify that.

Samson reputedly slew a thousand Philistines with the jaw bone of an ass. You are committing suicide with the same weapon.

Don Firth

P. S. No worries about my masculinity or intelligence. Solidly established many times over. You, on the other hand. . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 03:58 PM

If I ever have problems with my masculinity I am sure there are qualified people who can lend a hand... Never had too many complaints all the same.

Of course if Goofus has a point I would get a stiffy by seeing references to me. Naw, I get a better chuckle by wondering what a great person you are trying to educate mere mortals.

A legend in your own whine.

Notice that? I tried conversing with it despite my lack of the appropriate medical qualifications. This pinot must be better than I thought.

Anyway must piss off now. Top Gear is starting. .


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: gnu
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 04:47 PM

Wait... Goofus and Goofball? Are youse seeing each other? Pet(ty) names? ARe youse pushing each other into snow banks and play fighting? Get a room, eh?

I'd post more of my counselling stories but they are even more riskeh than froggy's so I'll not sully such an erudite bashing with my crass jokes.

Yo... froggy... last time she stormed out of the counsellor's office it was because he asked me what we had in common and I said needer of us would suck a

Seriously, tho... after that thing at the counsellor's office, she said she wouldn't talk to me for a whole week so I am rather distraught. I mean, I only got until Friday, man!


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 05:12 PM

Don the Frothing Fool: "...although your crappola prompts me to reach for the red pencil to correct you grammar."

'You grammar'????


Correct your own grammar!...and by the way, do you actually think for half a nano second, that I would have posted those without being ready, willing and able to post your responses to every item I posted??????

I'll make you a deal......I'll prove it ALL....and when I do, you WILL be completely humiliated...which should give you great cause to shut the fuck up...AND apologize, being soundly found to be full of shit!

...but then could I trust such a spinning lying fool, to keep his word...which you have adequately shown to be worthless!...remember you said you were no longer going to 'engage' me in posts???....Your lack of integrity borders on dementia...(it must be 'genetic')..So, not only, with your hearty approval, could I go dig it all back up....AND I shall invoice you for my time!...or you can entrust the searching to one of your lackeys!
(The more intelligent ones have bailed on you!) just goes to prove, you don't know what the fuck you've said...or what you're talking about!

Deal?????

My charge, in 1987 was $250/hour.

The good thing is that I'll be busy doing it, which may take some time...the bad thing is you will be found out for being a lying big mouthed phoney piece of work!

Oh, and by the way, YOU were the only one on here to use the word 'Fags', though you had a line through it..but you made a point of using the word....says something about ya'!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 05:47 PM

Jayzuz! I drop an "r" and Goofball has an orgasm!!

(Bulletin: that's not a grammatical error, that's a typo. Your posts are loaded with them. AND grammatical errors by the bushel.)

Interesting, in a pathelogical sort of way.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 06:44 PM

You didn't answer my question!..not that you ever do, when you can't!

Must be 'genetic'!

GfS

P.S First it was fencing..now it's jawbones???....but it's all the same..a 'game' to you. Happy ego verifications!


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 07:01 PM

You live in a dream world, Goofball.

WHAT question? You have not enunciated any kind of cohesive question, just a litany of random yaps and sneezes.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 07:52 PM

The jawbone of an ass was never my weapon of choice. I preferred the Italian foil. I was quite adept with it, really.

Here it is in use:   CLICKY.

Care to go for a few touches, Goofball? Or are you more at home using your own jawbone?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 09:49 PM

Back to the subject at hand.

While all the squealing, caterwauling, and "tsk tsking" is going on, here in Washington State and in several other states, same-sex couples are continuing to get married, and I have yet to hear of anyone being struck by lightning.

The world moves on.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 09:51 PM

Oh, wotthehell!

100!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 10:09 PM

Don the Foiled: "WHAT question? You have not enunciated any kind of cohesive question..."

You really have an immense capacity for playing dumb....maybe you should incorporate comprehension, in your scanning the posts. You will instantly find the question.....everybody must be amazed at the stupid game you are playing....and losing!.....and you're only playing with yourself!!...
..hmmm..a new aspect of self-abuse!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 10:22 PM

You are incapable of restating it?

That sounds like there WAS no question and you're trying to pull yet another of your attempts to appear knowledgeable about something--ANYthing!!

I'm not going to bite. If you can't simple restate the question, and identify the post in which you first posed it, then I'll just put it down as merely more random noise out of you.

By the way, I'll be gone for the rest of the evening. I'll be visiting with real people.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: frogprince
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 10:25 PM

gfs, I just don't how any, could accuse, of less than you, perfect and, comprehensible, absolutely no genetic basis, stickdips like Don Firth, knows very well he's shacked up, not married, don't tell, me he did'nt say that!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: frogprince
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 10:49 PM

Excuse me; in the interest of clarity, I notice that I misstyped "didn't".


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 01:34 AM

Here's a game for you...find the hidden mystery question....Hint..somewhere over here>>>>From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 05:12 PM

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 01:53 AM

Goofup, I tried to reread your incoherent collection of insults, slams, and general ramblings in your post of 10 Mar 13 - 05:12 PM, and if there is a question there for me, you have it totally buried in muddled syntax.

If I do still respond to your ravings, it's to set the record straight for the benefit of others who blunder into the thicket of your tangled prose.

Lord knows, YOU can't understand plain English.

And I apologise to others if I am in any way responsible for keeping this twit going, but it's pretty obvious that if he isn't picking on me, he'll be picking on someone else. I'm pretty certain he doesn't really believe anything he says, he just says it to get up peoples' noses.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 09:37 AM

""My charge, in 1987 was $250/hour.""

God! That's steep for a rent boy.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 11:45 AM

Donald T Duck: "God! That's steep for a rent boy."

Rent???
Actually, I was pretty well accomplished....just look how I flushed out the deception here!!! But that's what we do...find the root of the problem, by letting people expose their hidden agendas..and when they don't match reality, well, most often a well placed question can change a LOT of things, straighten things out...and actually make the 'differences' a lot of fun...works great in families, marriages and relationships....maybe even politics, if the bullshitting manipulators, ever come out of their erroneous delusions! How 'bout you?

Frotho the Foamer: "And I apologise to others if I am in any way responsible for keeping this twit going..."

Hide the mirrors.

Your silly rant only should expose yourself to even the most casual reader, that you really DON'T want me to post your earlier posts, that show that YOU have instigated most all the hate and discontent, intentionally ...but you like it that way....makes you feel 'important' instead of 'impotent'....and hiding behind your blathering rhetoric, which, as witnessed here, you purposely try to confuse, and create biases in the confusion..... of which several decent posters have fallen prey to.....ever thought about being 'you', instead of a 'thing', like a person hiding behind an illusion of pretending to be a 'political activist'????

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 07:19 PM

Funniest damned thing! When I opened my Earthlink browser this morning to head for my e-mail, the first thing that confronted me on the Earthlink opening page was an ad for an on-line "college" that read, "You, too, can be a Psychiatrist! Complete the full course in three months!"

If Goofup feels he can actually bill himself as a "family counselor," I guess that could explain that!!

$280 per hour!?? Oy vey!! Rates have gone up in recent years, but these days, real psychiatrists' hourly rates for the traditional "50 minute hour" generally run from $70 to $125, depending on qualifications (BA, MA, PhD). Real family counselors generally cost considerably less for an hour session.

Don Firth

P. S. What's that "quack, quack, quacking" sound I hear?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 04:03 AM

Woof! Woof! Woof! Grrr Woof!

Quack.

Woof!!!

We appear to have a two way conversation going. That's nice.   I knew Goofus and the good professor would eventually discuss these things on equal terms.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 07:15 AM

The only thing Goofie could oppose on equal terms would be an amoeba.

He has been posting on this site for...way too long, and has yet to manage a coherent post longer than one sentence, and most of the single sentence ones are nonsense.

Attacking the material, not the man, the nearest he gets to coherent English text is when describing his apocryphal qualifications.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 08:13 PM

Once again Firth fucks up...."$280 and hour"???..I said 250...but that's just typical of your posts..misquote other people's posts, insert what you want to bitch about, and then demonize the person you misquoted..as if the other person even said what you're bitching about....great 'political activist-news reporter'!!

..and Musket...you've got him pegged...the 'good professor'....maybe you hand he could open up an in depth discussion on your name, 'Musket'..and the 'ramifications' of needing a ramrod....I'm sure Don will be happy to oblige you...might even get you off....

....sorry...it's 'genetic'...couldn't help it....I need equal rights..oh, you don't like it????

...maybe you should think about it....for a change.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 09:00 PM

So $2.50 would be too much for advice from you.

So my typing's not so good. At least, give or take the occasional typo, I can write a cohesive sentence.

You're lucky that you can rejoice over such tiny triumphs as a typograpical error.

Small triumphs for small minds.

(Watch this, folks! I can keep him spinning for weeks!)

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: frogprince
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 09:09 PM

"keep him spinning" No, you can't keep him spinning; he spins as fast as possible all by himself. Time after time, faced with a question he knows he doesn't dare answer, he spins somewhere between 185 and 265 degrees and tries to scoot past everyone in whatever direction he winds up in.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 09:21 PM

True, frogprince. He spins quite well all by himself. No need for me to wind him up.

If he keeps spinning at his usual rpm, he might bore a hole right through the microscope slide he lives on.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 09:26 PM

You know, Goofup, I'm surprised you haven't visited the "Psychobabble" thread yet.

I mean, considering that you're psycho, and you babble so much. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 11:40 PM

Don Forthright-Liar: "(Watch this, folks! I can keep him spinning for weeks!)"

Well after all, you ARE the Spin-meister!
It's just a tactic, folks when pseudo intellectuals have run aground with bogus positions, and unprovable dogmatic blather. He CANNOT present his case without 'spinning'...or in regular people-speak, lying.
Most of the time he spends arguing things that he made up, then attributes what he made up, as if someone else said it....but then, one might have to be objective, to see it...

and then he says, "(Watch this, folks! I can keep him spinning for weeks!)"

Definitely what an Ego maniac with too much time on his hands, would do or say!
...anything but admit that his bullcrap ain't washin'

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 04:09 AM

I'd happily pay him $2.50 per hour to analyse the good professor.

Just for background Goofus, and as a professional you will appreciate these trigger points:

He tries to lick his balls despite being a Jaffa since that visit to the vets. He sprinkles too and that doesn't accord with being nut less either.

He crouches like a bitch to pee despite being a dog.

His party piece is to lay still all day with just the occasional smelly fart to remind us of his presence.   

He is an ex racer, we got him from the local grey hound trust. Yet although he like most other sports personalities isn't good at interviews he has started barking at an American duck lately and walks away looking rather smug and aloof.

Is there anything you can do for him? I am willing to add a couple of cents per hour but will have to pay in £ sterling as I need the dollars I hold for airport coffees and taxis etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 04:31 AM

Well, at least one of you two are waxing a bit creative....feels good to stretch.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: saulgoldie
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 08:28 AM

We have heard the same tired utterances ad nauseam from the resident homphobes. They will only change their minds when a) they are open to change and they wish to change or b) they are compelled to change by facing *real* consequences by some force bigger than themselves. So far, neither seems to be the case. And reminding them about their limited mental capabilities, the circumstances of their births, or what shoes their mothers wear will not accomplish much, other than self-satisfaction. I don't even see how I might enjoy a beer with these folks. Fortunately for the rest of us, the worldwide tide is moving, if slowly, towards more acceptance.

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 09:40 AM

I have decided to become gay.

I think the homosexual lifestyle sounds like fun.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 07:50 PM

With that rate of rotation, Goofup's angular momentum must be on the verge of exceeding the speed of light. I don't know if that's possible, but apparently time will tell.

If one really has a choice, it's better to be gay than that bitter and sour.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Mar 13 - 03:47 AM

The Froth Proff: "If one really has a choice, it's better to be gay than that bitter and sour."

I'll take that as an observation from someone who's been there.

gfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Musket
Date: 14 Mar 13 - 05:31 AM

Woof! Grrrr..   Woof Woof!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: saulgoldie
Date: 14 Mar 13 - 07:37 AM

KB, Good luck with that. I switched too, as I mentioned in the other "homo" thread. But I found that the "gay lifestyle" just didn't fit. I discovered that I have no real taste in clothing or interior decorating. (However, I DO like musicals; go figure.) So I ended up changing back. Let us know how it goes for you.

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Mar 13 - 01:56 PM

Having been heterosexual all my life and happily married for the past thirty-six years, that's pure speculation on my part, Goofup.

It appears, though, that you've decided that you would rather be bitter than gay.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 14 Mar 13 - 02:49 PM

I may have to rethink becoming gay. As with Saul I have no fashion sense or interest in design, but I have been known to watch House Hunters with my wife (and sort of enjoy it).

That last brings up an issue. I am married with a couple of kids. Wouldn't be the first time a married man left his wife and kids to lead the homosexual lifestyle though, and I'm sure it wouldn't be the last.

No, that is not the real problem. Fact is I don't like guys in 'that way' and I think that is kind of required to really do it up right.

I will have to do a bit more thinking about this new direction.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Mar 13 - 04:51 PM

Proff Froth: ".... that's pure speculation on my part..."


..and playing to the audience for self aggrandizement.....
What else is new?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Mar 13 - 05:26 PM

Still in denial, eh, Goofup?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Mar 13 - 05:46 PM

By the way, since when is dealing in facts and telling the truth "playing to the audience for self aggrandizement?"

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Mar 13 - 02:33 AM

Because you will play to the audience, regardless of the truth...and try to launder your bitterly disappointing ideology to them, as if more numbers will all of a sudden make it true.
It never was, and really, what you do have down, is your musical history of the composers...the rest is just silly opinions based on utopian pipe-dreams, and other forms of wishful thinking!..and that's all you got....parenting???...uh-uh....family structure??..uh-uh...reliable science?...uh-uh...just bullshit blustering blather....'dat's all you got.

Later...

GfS

P.S...and a couple of homosexual friends...who still aren't 'married', despite their bleeding hearts, and you wanting to champion it...when they could have gotten 'married' for quite some time....but they're nice guys.....real sweethearts....who love each other so much, that even if they weren't dickin' each other, they'd still be sweethearts...or at least friends...right?...like you and Barbara...right?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 15 Mar 13 - 01:53 PM

""Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity - PM
Date: 14 Mar 13 - 04:51 PM

Proff Froth: ".... that's pure speculation on my part..."


..and playing to the audience for self aggrandizement.....
What else is new?

GfS
""

That doesn't even qualify as pot calling the kettle black. In this case the kettle is shiny chrome.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 15 Mar 13 - 02:12 PM

""...but we all like to sit stoned and watch violent 'action' movies for entertainment.....or play 'quasi-black ops' video games for endless hours..while ignoring our families...and somehow find that it's not 'depressing'...unless you're trying to pry them away from their screens to actually have a dialogue........""

Ah! that explains a lot. That's how you got to be the pig ignorant, half baked twerp that gives us all so much amusement.

Speak for yourself laddie, you haven't a clue about how the rest of us get our jollies, and your feeble intellect makes your guesses miles wide of the mark.

I hate to disillusion you but we have real lives to live, and the vast majority of us have long since grown out of "Walter Mitty" fantasies. The need to big yourself up just exposes your adolescent shortcomings.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Mar 13 - 03:26 PM

"Because you will play to the audience. . . ."

The only time I play to the audience is when I am performing, as in on stage, singing.

". . . regardless of the truth. . . ."

My dedication to the facts and the truth is 100%. Any other course of action (such as yours) is potentially suicidal. I don't need to "launder" anything because I don't have an "ideology," I have a well-thought-out philosophy of life that works well in the real world because it is based on the wisdom of philosophers who have gone before—and is well vetted by me before accepting. There is nothing "disappointing" about it because it works

I believe it was Plato who said, "The unexamined life is not worth living."

I don't know what you're talking about when you mention "your musical history of the composers." What does that have to do with the present discussion? Silly opinions? (Non)utopian pipe dreams? Wishful thinking? I leave that sort of thing to you.

Nothing wrong with my parenting skills and family structure.   Reliable science? I've been a science buff since I was a kid, and although I majored in English and Music in college, I've had one helluvalot of science courses and am quite familiar with the applied scientific method. As to "bullshit blustering blather," once again I leave that sort of thing to experts—like you!

Yes, I do have friends. LOTS of friends. And some of them happen to be homosexual, but since the law allowing gay marriage was passed in the recent state election, they have either gotten married or are about to. They have been together in civil unions, however, which was legalized in this state some years ago!

Once again, there you are, making things up as you go along and twisting what others say to suit your own sick purposes.

You regard me as some sort of "bleeding heart liberal" because I think what two people do in the privacy of their own home is none of my business—nor is it the business of perverts who, apparently, can't think of anything else!!

You need some serious counseling, "counselor!"

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Mar 13 - 09:06 PM

Prof Froth: "My dedication to the facts and the truth is 100%."

I didn't even read any further....AND THE GENE IS..............??????
and it falls under what race, creed or color............????

Gosh, ya' really got me 'spinning'.................dream on!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Mar 13 - 09:12 PM

That's a part of your problem. You don't read.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 12:01 AM

Goofup, I think you actually did read my whole post, but you don't want to acknowledge that I've got your number.

But then, if you didn't, and don't read my whole post, you'll never know what I implied about you, and why those who did read it are nodding and saying, "Yeah, that's what Goofup's problem is all right!"

But it's your choice.

Don Firth

P. S. By the way, that's $250.00 you owe me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 01:52 AM

Just to be clear:

"....AND THE GENE IS..............??????"

Goofup, it is no specific single gene, but a combination of genes—like many inheritable traits. It appears to be a recessive gene, and it also appears to be carried by some females of a particular line, and it is not believed to affect them as far as sexual orientation is concerned. It operates sporadically and has to do with the timing of hormones released to the fetus in utero. The actually physical organs of sex are established by the Y chromosome, which is carried by the father.

Here is yet another example of your abysmal ignorance:

"….and it falls under what race, creed or color?"

The gene in question is independent of genes that determine race.

Race is considered to be an anthropological category and often determines skin color and certain other physical characteristics. So "race" and "color" are actually redundant. Creed, on the other hand, is NOT genetic. That IS, indeed, a matter of choice.

Are you really that ignorant?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 02:41 AM

Genetic or behavioral???

Enough said?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 07:50 AM

Now he can't distinuish between heterosexual and homosexual males who make a living acting as women in comedy shows or pantomime, and those who don't.

And we are the ones who are supposed to be relying on bad science.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: frogprince
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 09:25 AM

Nah, I think he knows what he's doing; once more he knows he doesn't dare really reply, so he scoots off in another direction one more time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 02:52 PM

Some years back I ran into a woman I had gone to high school with. She was all grown up, of course. She was generally pretty attractive, tall, with a nice figure. She also had a nice singing voice, quite deep (probably contralto) and had sung in the school choir. Also early on, she wanted to be a ballerina and took some ballet lessons, but was eventually told that she was not really "petite" enough to be a ballerina. Tall, well-muscled, built like an amazon.

We dropped into a restaurant, had several cups of coffee (as we used to do after school was out for the day) and spent some time catching each other up.

It seems she was making some pretty good money at an unusual job. She got the idea when she saw a 1982 Julie Andrews movie called "Victor Victoria." The "McGuffin" of the movie was a woman impersonating a female impersonator.

My friend was using her singing and dancing skills in a somewhat unconventional way. She worked up a song and dance act for "The Garden of Allah," a gay night club down on Seattle's First Avenue, where, at that time, all the pawn shops and porn theaters were located.

Her act at The Garden of Allah was as a female impersonator! The manager of the club thought it would be one helluva snort for a female to impersonate a singing and dancing male female impersonator!

Got that? It can get a little confusing.

The fact that she had what might be called a "Junoesque" figure, and a fairly deep voice for a woman, helped the illusion a lot, and the customers in the place assumed that she was a male impersonating a female—and that she / he was damned good at it.

Well, I guess you could say that. He / She had what you could call a certain natural talent!

She was not confused about her sexuality. She eventually married and had a couple of kids. Also, she had gotten into computers early on, and last I heard, she had taken a job as a computer technician at a downtown business firm. Bright woman!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 09:29 PM

What was I thinking!?

Wilma got the idea for her gig at "The Garden of Allah" long before the movie, "Victor Victoria," came out in 1982! They could have got the idea for the movie from her, although that's highly unlikely.

I made a boo-boo!

Watch Goofup pounce on that like a pit bull on a pork chop and go skipping around inside his Petri dish chanting, "Froth made a mista-ake, Froth made a mista-ake….."

Oh, wotthehell! I've always tried to be kind to dumb animals.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: frogprince
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 10:06 PM

I'll tell ya what, tho:
If they allow gay people to marry each other, that's one thing;

But if they allow female impersonators to marry each other, that's the end of the world as we know it !!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 10:28 PM

I'm with you on that one, Froggy! You've gotta draw the line somewhere!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Mar 13 - 02:23 AM

I'm reminded of the old joke about the man leading an elephant with a loaf of bread stuck in each ear.

When asked why, he replied "What the f**k's it got to do with you, what I put in my sandwiches?"

I feel pretty much the same about who marries whom.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Mar 13 - 06:11 AM

Now we get to listen to those who want to discriminate between who they think is homosexual ENOUGH!!

You guys are a riot!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Mar 13 - 03:37 PM

GsS, serious question:

How do YOU define "homosexuality?"

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Mar 13 - 05:42 PM

Sex between two people of the same sex.

How do you describe being a father?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 17 Mar 13 - 07:28 PM

For fuck's sake, the scientists, doctors, and true counselors have spoken. It is in the link in the opening post. Go read it again, and then close the pie hole to all further insulting* blather.

*especially to THIS parent


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Mar 13 - 09:13 PM

Not something that can be answered succinctly in a post, Goofup, as you should know. How to be a good father would take a book to detail, but there are plenty of good books out there for you to read.

The main thing is to be a good role model, and all that that entails.,

Don Firth

P. S. You claim to be a counselor and you don't know this!??


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Mar 13 - 01:45 AM

Froth the Proff: "P. S. You claim to be a counselor and you don't know this!??"

Not only was I a pretty good counselor, I was a parent, as well, while you were reciting fictional 'news' broadcasts. You should have, at least, researched your 'news' stories...but then, researching to find facts, isn't one of your hallmark achievements!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Mar 13 - 08:17 AM

""Now we get to listen to those who want to discriminate between who they think is homosexual ENOUGH!!""

That's a natural enough response to the terminally confused who can't tell the difference between a pantomime dame and a homosexual.

No wonder you haven't a clue about any of this.

Pantomime dame is not genetic. It is a workstyle choice, and most of them are a sight straighter than you Goofie.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Mar 13 - 12:02 PM

OK....try this one for contradicting yourselves!
Genetic of Behavioral???.......all of them???


GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 18 Mar 13 - 01:24 PM

Hahaha - what the hell kind of "evidence" is that?
From the photos, it sure looks genetic to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: frogprince
Date: 18 Mar 13 - 01:50 PM

Genetic, or Behavioural? .

Could it just be, just maybe, that some folks have reason to do some things that they do because of who they are genetically, and how other folks repond to them?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Mar 13 - 02:43 PM

"…….while you were reciting fictional 'news' broadcasts. You should have, at least, researched your 'news' stories...but then, researching to find facts, isn't one of your hallmark achievements!"

Several times now, Goofup, you have claimed that I made up or slanted the news during my career as a radio announcer. Since you never heard me during that period of my life, you have no way of knowing, so your allegations amount to, at best, fiction.

Your allegations about me also qualify legally as slander and libel, so be careful. I have already warned you that I can have my attorney subpoena your IP address, which is like caller ID, have him find out who and where you really are, despite your internet pseudonym, haul your ass into court, and sue you for everything you've got!

So I'd suggest that you be damned careful what you say! Don't piss me off!!!

I have already, in several posts on several threads, tried to inform you of what my radio work actually encompassed, but you continue to make the same allegations.

Here, for example is one of my posts setting the record straight:
Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From:Don Firth - PM
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 11:12 PM

WOW! That was quite a little outburst, there!

GfS, you're an idiot!

I never said anywhere that I was a radio station manager. You made that up, just like most of what you post.

I was an announcer at a classical music radio station. I put records on turntables, told the listeners what music I was about to play, then flipped the switch. Some of this (Monteverdi, Mozart, Beethoven, Stravinsky, etc.) was selected by me, but most by the program director, Bob MacDonald. I read commercials (time sold by the sales department) and public service announcements at the times the station manager specified in the log. At the top of the hour, I read the news (torn from the teletype).

I had nothing to do with the advertising fees. That was a whole different department. Not my job.

You made up a whole fictional "Don First," which is not me. You can't even get my name right!

That's a real tour de force there, GfS! You have managed to combine the fallacies of argumentum ad hominem with "The Straw Man." Bravo!!

Not only are you barking up the wrong tree, you're lost in the wrong bloody forest!

"Counselor?" You, sir or madam as the case may be, are the one who is badly in need of psychological help. Your last couple of posts in particular more than amply demonstrate that you are losing your grip.

Don Firth
In several other threads you have made the same accusation. It is a LIE, Goofup, and you KNOW it!

I reiterate this, not to try to get you to tell the truth, because you haven't the intellectual capacity to recognize the truth. I restate this for the benefit and enlightenment of any benighted soul reading this thread who might not be aware that you have this "truth deficiency" in your character, and to set the record straight about my time as a broadcaster.

And to warn you that you're playing with fire, and that my patience with your childishness is running out!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Mar 13 - 02:48 PM

nice try..but it falls short. When I posted the question about bisexuals, the usual gang of wannabe-activist-truth-benders, said it was different..but my post was clearly, if you read it, covering all of the deviants..including the BEHAVIOR of bisexuals...AND the Civil right's issue of the '60's was about race and color....Don has been unable to link those two together, as having to do with the behavior of homosexuals, and the like...so your response post, is NOT applicable...and neither is your stance!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Mar 13 - 05:02 PM

I'm not going to try to untangle your snarled mess of unreason, Goofup, but suffice it to say that the world is moving past homophobes like you and others who are obsessed with this issue because they are afraid of their own sexuality.

More and more states all the time are passing laws legalizing same-sex marriage, and recent indications are that it's going to go national.

You and others like you will be left behind, just like the Neanderthals.

Or in your case, more like Piltdown Man.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Mar 13 - 05:21 PM

..or, once again, the political machine will 'cover' people's irresponsible behaviors, instead of doing the things they were supposed to do, like protect our borders, and be accountable for the people's will....you know, like they used to do in real democracies.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Mar 13 - 06:14 PM

Wanting to cross the border. Now, THAT's obviously genetic.

Goofup, the "real democracy" you seem to be advocating (simple majority rule) is best embodied by a lynch mob.

Even the ancient Athenians knew better than that. A LOT better!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Mar 13 - 08:14 PM

What would you prefer?..a dictator??..a Pope...a King?...Theocracy???..YOU????

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Mar 13 - 09:09 PM

A Constitutional Democracy, much along the lines of Athenian democracy, wherein the Athenian citizens were well-educated in the democratic process (unlike modern Americans) and where, instead of elections, political leaders were chosen by lottery, served for a limited term, and were then judged on their performance in office by a jury of some 501 citizens (also selected by lottery, too big to bribe, and an odd number to eliminate the possibility of a hung jury). On the basis of that performance judgement, the outgoing political office holder was either rewarded or fined--and if they really did badly, banished from Athens.

So it behooved them to keep their noses clean!

Their equivalent of Congress was--6,000 citizens! Again, too many to bribe. Or "lobby," which is the same thing.

Read First Democracy: The Challenge of an Ancient Idea, by Paul Woodruff. Excellent book. Easy read and very revealing.

The major flaw in Athenian Democracy was that only men were citizens. Not women. But there were contemporary Athenian citizens who said that this was a major mistake, because Athens was wasting half of its intellectual power by excluding women from political deliberations.

The title of the last chapter in the book is (if I remember correctly) "Is America Ready for Democracy?"

Read it.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 12:33 AM

I see the similarity of history repeating itself...but then, history teaches us that man never learns from history.....and what was rife just before the collapse of Greece???
Hint: You champion the cause.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 01:18 AM

Athens fell when then they were invaded from outside.

What you're thinking about had nothing to do with it.

Learn some real history.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 02:38 AM

You flatter yourself, WAY too much! You actually think you know what I was thinking???
Go for it..what was I thinking??
Hint: Begins with an 'S'.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 10:11 AM

I see the similarity of history repeating itself...but then, history teaches us that man never learns from history.....and what was rife just before the collapse of Greece???
Hint: You champion the cause.

GfS


Given the thread in which you wrote this it is fairly obvious what you wanted poeple to believe you meant.

I suspect you either did mean it and then saw an opportunity to get a dig in at Don or you wrote it in an attempt to set him up. Just my opinion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 10:13 AM

That last was me, lost my cookie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 03:07 PM

Well, KB...you're opinions are not always wrong...and you've been cool about it...I'm waiting to hear from our illustrious Professor..being as he LOVES to twist and distort history and facts, to suit his own agenda.
having an 'opinion' on homosexuality is one thing...lying about it, as Don does is another.
Being deceived is not evil in itself..because people, in general, try to make the best possible decisions, based on the information that they have to work with..if one is deceived, he's just deceived.... and given more accurate information, they would more than likely adjust their decisions........the evil belongs to those, who being self willed, set out to deceive another. That is quite another thing.
Being as a great many people, have some compassion in them, may empathize with various homosexuals that they may have an acquaintance with..I too, have had associations both professionally and artistically with people who were homosexual....but because I was truthful with them, they were honest to me in return....in in that honesty, they have admitted things to me, about their homosexuality, that they would never admit to another, generic placatory 'so-called' activist!!
In the course of my associations with a certain homosexual, who was, in my opinion, a musical and sound engineering genius....I was able to convince him to return to his father, in Sacramento, reconcile with his dad....who ended up taking care of him.... He died of AIDS, in his father's care.
From his own admissions to me, and my studies, and sensitivities in dealing with him, though his fears and perceived sexual 'inabilities' toward the opposite sex, I have NO DOUBT whatsoever, that our resident Professor Wannabe Activist, has worked overtime in trying to delude others, as he hides from his emotional callousness, both in his past, and failure to ever come to terms with it!!

Now he is trying to serve up more nonsense....but is probable afraid at taking a stab at his perceptions of Greek history....that he is wanting to duplicate.....and Good Lordy, in sort time you will understand WHY the Greek model appeals to him, so much.

Respectfully KB,

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 03:12 PM

Of course. Goofup is claiming that the downfall of Athens and the First Democracy happened because, as we all know, all Greeks were "queer," according to people like Goofup (If that were true, then where did little Greeks come from?).

The truth of the matter is that Athenian Democracy lasted for a good 200 years, and all in all, it worked quite well. It did have it's flaws. Women were not regarded as citizens of Athens, and Athenians kept slaves (usually people captured in Athens' occasional wars with other city-states). Many Greeks at that time said that a true Democracy should not keep slaves, and as I mentioned above, many said that to exclude women from deliberations and policy decisions wasted half of the intellectual power of Athens.

Nevertheless, with those two exceptions, Democracy worked well in Athens. Education of Athenian citizens was at a very high level. Among other things, art, sculpture, music, writing, and drama thrived and evolved at a tremendous rate, as did philosophy and science. It was an ancient Greek who first said that the earth was round and gave a pretty good estimate of its diameter (he used geometry after measuring shadows cast at high noon in two separate locations a year apart on the longest day of the year).

On the homosexuality issue, Greeks were no more homosexual than any other population. But the fact that they considered this kind of relationship as perfectly acceptable has stuck in the craw of people like Goofup, who are convinced that, no matter how much they advanced civilization and fostered the arts and the sciences, and produced some of the greatest thinkers of all time (Plato, Aristotle, and dozens of others I could list), they were all a bunch of "perverts."

Homosexuality was no more prevalent then that it is today, it's simply that they believed your sex life was your business, as long as you didn't do it in the middle of the street and frighten the horses.

Athens fell, not by internal corruption as people like Goofup would have you believe, but because they were invaded by Sparta during the Peloponnesian War and subsequently defeated by superior military forces. Shortly thereafter, Sparta and all its occupied territories (including Athens) was conquered by Philip of Macedonia, the father of Alexander the Great, who went on to conquer and subjugate most of the known world by the time he was thirty.

This ended the world's first successful Democracy.

There was much wrong with Athenian Democracy as constituted, but there was also much right about it. And there is much we could learn from a system which was, in many ways, superior to our own.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 03:38 PM

Cross posted with Goofup.

Now he's trying to say, "Some of my best friends and homosexuals?"

And one of them, on his death bed, shared the secret handshake with Goofup?

My, oh my, where have I heard things like that before?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 03:45 PM

And do I twist and distort history as you claim?

Fer Crissake, Goofup, READ A BOOK!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 03:55 PM

Did you want to hear from the good professor? Or is the illustrious professor someone else?

Let's find out shall we?

HERE BOY!

Woof! Grrrr Woof!

That's right boy. Goofus is confusing himself again.   What's that boy?

Woof! Oowwwwwww. WOOF

Well if you don't mind me saying so, thats a bit extreme, even for Goofus. But if your recommended treatment is in line with NICE standards, then I suppose we can. Make his eyes water all the same...


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 05:21 PM

Professor Frothing: "And do I twist and distort history as you claim?

Boy, am I relishing this moment!!

Don posted: "Now he's trying to say, "Some of my best friends and homosexuals?"

NOWHERE in my post did I even allude to that! (go check, it's just a couple of posts back). Your quotation marks are EXACTLY the kind of twisting of other people's posts, that you disagree with, exploratory tactical antics, for which you are famous(and not favorably) for!!!

..and that is just for starters!

The fall of Greek's Democracy was not due solely to homosexuality, as you mistakenly thought, I was going to post. Not at all, but it was just a symptom, of yet, the greater problem!!

Now, what was that 'S' word???

Something that is deeply ingrained in your make up.....and WHY you favor(mistakenly so) that particular Greek model.

Does the word 'SOPHISTS' ring a bell?...as in 'Sophistry'????

In the Greek Senate, the 'Assembly' (Senators) employed 'Sophistry'..to wit, the ability to wrangle a debate, not based on FACTS, but their abilities to manipulate the language, and logic, to 'win' a debate.


From definitions of Sophists:

"[In the Gorgias and elsewhere] Plato critiques the Sophists for privileging appearances over reality, making the weaker argument appear the stronger, preferring the pleasant over the good, favoring opinions over the truth and probability over certainty, and choosing rhetoric over philosophy. In recent times, this unflattering portrayal has been countered with a more sympathetic appraisal of the Sophists' status in antiquity as well as their ideas for modernity."
(John Poulakos, "Sophists," Encyclopedia of Rhetoric. Oxford Univ. Press, 2001)...
From this site......though there are quite a few!

..and in the course of their Sophistry, they, for their self-aggrandizement they weakened Greece, and made it vulnerable.

You have bullshitted with your nonsensical rhetoric, for far too long, citing outright lies, misinformation, (not to mention DIS-information), and done so purposely...as if, as you posted, liking our exchanges to a fencing match! Truth was NOT important to your end game...never was, and probably won't ever be. You just wanted to smear your way into your 'so-called' liberal 'activism' and you didn't care one iota if your posts even resembled truth, at all...it just had to 'sound rhetorically' on.

..and by golly, your last post gives yet another example of your brand of horseshit!

Yes, it was the egocentric Sophists who weakened Greece.
Finances were diverted from essential needs...but they sure made a name for themselves!

From the word 'Sophist', and 'Sophistry' we get the word 'Sophisticated'...which in its definition means 'NOT GENUINE'!!!

Gosh..sounds like somebody we know...The Professor!

So to quote YOU!!!..."Fer Crissake, Goofup, READ A BOOK!!"

Oh, and by the way....you and I went roundabout the issue of homosexuals being able to not be a homosexual any longer...look what I found in Yahoo News, just today.....

"(Michelle)In 1990, Shocked opened up about coming out and having a relationship with a woman. But the born-again Christian's tune changed a decade later when she denied all gay labels. Shocked has since referred to herself as the "world's greatest homophobe," according to the Best of New Orleans blog.

In a 2008 interview with LGBT publication The Dallas Voice, Shocked seemed to be grappling with her feelings."

from the Huffington Post

Si I guess she's wrong about herself, too, as you will probably SUPPOSE!

Have a Great Day!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 05:23 PM

Here's some more links to 'Sophists'...Yahoo search page

Winking and Waving!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 05:39 PM

I'll let someone else field this one.

For now, I'm laughing too hard to type anything!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 05:44 PM

The 'Professor': "'ll let someone else field this one.
For now, I'm laughing too hard to type anything!"

yeah, yeah, yeah, and more blah blah blah blah....which amounts to more 'sophistry'.

Let someone else do your frothing, eh?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 06:05 PM

The early Sophists were extremely knowledgeable, and were professional teachers. It was later on that some would-be teachers gave them a bad reputation as pretending to have knowledge that they didn't really have. It was this latter group that Socrates was criticizing in The Republic.

I hardly qualify as a Sophist of the latter kind. Other than music, I do not profess to be a teacher. But I am quite knowledgeable. Simple enough. I enjoyed high school, I enjoyed college. I stayed awake in class. And I generally took notes. And I am a voracious reader on a whole range of subjects. Furthermore, if I don't have the knowledge right at my fingertips, I know how to go about getting it.

There is nothing unique about this. Any well-educated person can do it.

You've got it wrong, Goofup. A person who is sophisticated is knowledgeable and worldly. What you are talking about is called a "pseudo-sophisticate."

That's not me. I can back up what I say, whether or not you accept facts as facts. If you do not, that's not my problem, it's yours.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 06:09 PM

Sorry, typing in haste. Not Socrates. Plato.

Goofup will do a whole riff on that!

(Well, at least it will keep him off the street.)

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 06:18 PM

Better read all of this, Bucko!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 06:19 PM

And by the way, it was not any crumbling from within that brought Athens down, or a failure of their political and economic system, it was invasion by the militaristic Spartans, as I said, followed by invasion by Philip of Macedonia.

It's in the book.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 06:46 PM

From your own link, Goofup:
3. To make more complex or inclusive; refine.
Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 06:48 PM

Ya' think they may have been better prepared if the 'sophists' (your buddies) were concerned with the truth..and threat assessment?

By the way...no mention of your other false position???..You know, the one that insisted homosexuals could not 'change their minds'???....and BEHAVIOR????

Knowing you, and your normal 'tactic-antics', you'll skip over it!

...but it don't wash, Don..You've been wrong all the way through this!

so make 'light' of it...it's all you got!

Must be 'genetic'...or did you learn it from the 'kids in school'...along with what it is to be a father....

...arrogant morons!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 06:49 PM

By the way, I'll be gone for much of the rest of the day.

I have rational humans to deal with in the 3D world.

Have a good time spinning, Goofup.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 06:58 PM

Yeah, If I were you, I'd be hiding, too!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: frogprince
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 07:25 PM

gfs: do you think that Fred Phelps, of the Westboro Baptist Church, should be respected as a person who grasps and promulgates truth?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 10:26 PM

Just looking in for a moment.

No, I'm not hiding, Goofup. First, I had an appointment, and second, I was getting tired of listening to your irrational ravings.

Yeah, Froggy, I thing Goofy is right in there with the good Reverend Phelps.

(As far as I'm concerned, hell isn't hot enought for alleged "men of God" who promulgate hatred!)

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Mar 13 - 12:43 AM

Frotho: "..I.was getting tired of listening to your irrational ravings...blah blah blah..."

Your sophistry is showing again.

You absolutely cannot be taken seriously!..You've got NOTHING!

Call the 'Wah-mbulance'!

With a major smile on my face!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Mar 13 - 08:15 PM

To drive a nail in the coffin even further, check this out..from the "RE: An Open Letter to Michelle Shocked" thread:



From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Mar 13 - 05:23 PM

"Worth a read.

I have never met a "cured" homosexual who was not psychologically screwed up in one way or another."

(My insertion)....Then if you never met one, perhaps you should have not touted yourself as a homosexual activist, being as you have very limited exposure, to many that have got out of it.

Frotho continues: "And, as a matter of fact, a follow-up study on a group of "cured" homosexuals verifies my observation."


(My insertion)....a study??...by who?..who funded it??...for what outcome???

Frotho continues: "For the vast majority in the study, after "therapy," simply reverted to their former behavior."


(My insertion)....BEHAVIOR???????????? Where have I heard that before??? I thought you were bantering that it was 'genetic', as if they were another species of humans, who were due 'equality' for their BEHAVIOR!


Froth continues: "A large percentage bailed out, gave up sexual activity entirely, and became celibate."

So fucking what??? Are you assigning sexual activity quotas now?? That is their own business, not yours, nor ANY political ideology's business. There are a lot of Catholic clergy who are celibate, too..you aren't frothing about that...and how about them there Buddhist Monks....screams, OH my God, they are celibate!!..quick 'fix' them!!

Frotho: "And more than a quarter of the sample began to suffer from serious anxiety and depression. There were six suicides."

Because they were celibate?? not homosexual?? felt shame?? inadequate?? damage done from being homosexual??
Your innuendos are just sophistry incomplete!

Frotho: "So it would appear that Michelle Shocked might be one of "the cured."

I thought you said it wasn't possible....

Being as you seem, really not too knowledgeable about the topic of your 'politically based homosexual activism', I think you should seriously consider retiring from it.....you just don't know enough about giving REAL support to the PERSONS affected, and your chief concern is how you 'look' as an 'activist'.

Don Firth

Don't bother replying...your trip is a farce.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Mar 13 - 09:32 PM

Goofballupagus, that post exceeded even your own standards for sheer stupidity.

People can read what I wrote for themselves and make up their own minds. They don't need the likes of you to tell them what to think.

Take your meds.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Mar 13 - 09:56 PM

You think???



Whatever....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Mar 13 - 10:18 PM

Well, I think.

Whatever that is that you do inside your head bears no relation to rational thought.

Only bigotry, hatred, and fear of your own genes.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Musket
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 05:01 AM

In other matters..

The new Archbishop of Canterbury, and I suppose he is the Anglican version of the Pope, said this morning that he accepts the church's stance, but as a person he struggles with it.

About as good as you are going to get I suppose. the problem with clever people in charge of faith is that they too see the absurdity of it, but lose the fringe benefits, pointy hat, gilded pension etc if they say so.

Same sex marriage doesn't need counselling, society does...


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 10:41 AM

This thread has long since lost any connection with the OP reference to the real topic.

It has now become a stalking exercise in which he who has clearly gone from anything relating to sanity, is carrying out a series of ad hominem attacks based on his twisted misinterpretation of something Don F said ages ago.

He has taken what was a pefectly reasonable comment and altered it beyond recognition, building a pack of filthy, foul mouthed lies, which he is embellishing post by post to denigrate the man who has constantly showed him up for the mean spirited, nasty, adolescent Walter Mitty he really is.

Time that this now obsolete (gay marriage is a fact) thread was consigned to the bin.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Musket
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 12:30 PM

I know Don. That is why I was trying to get back on course to the thread. Feeding the irrational hobby horse of an obviously unhinged person isn't what people wish to read, hence trying to deflect the issue somewhat. Guest from Sanity isn't a nice person, and I suppose calling him Goofus almost makes his twisted rotten posts seem as if we are laughing with him. Rather than at him...

I do feel though that there is always a place for threads such as this. You state quite correctly that Gay marriage is a fact so the thread is therefore obsolete. For my money, these threads flush out the nasty buggers so as people can be wary of them on other matters.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 22 Mar 13 - 01:28 AM

Thanks Don. Yes it is time for the childish amongst us to re-read the link in the OP.

The real experts who have studied the real facts have cut off the childish bigots at the knees.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Mar 13 - 02:02 AM

The End

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 02:07 AM

Musket: "Same sex marriage doesn't need counseling, society does..."

There is an old joke that you just described, and you put yourself on the 'other' side....sometimes people adopt a position that is completely inside out....
Ever heard of "I'm not crazy..it's the rest of the world!"
             Compare to:
"Same sex marriage doesn't need counselling, society does..."

Makes ya' wanna go, "Hmmmmmm"

GfS

P.S. Hey, i didn't say it......


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 09:39 AM

Latest (March 2013) CDC hiv figures.
78% of all new male hiv infections in the United States of America were amongst MSM.

and the beat goes on. These figures were composed from data aquired in 2010.....and at the current rise in infection rates the figure for this year will be between 80 and 90%

How many more need to become infected before compulsory testing and contact tracing is instigated?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 10:57 AM

I feel there should be compulsory testing for Bigotry, Homophobia and General Malevolence. All those showing 'positive' to be euthanased and their 'brains' (assuming they have one) donated for dissection and medical research.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 10:59 AM

200!


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 12:16 PM

Hi, Ake..been a while....interesting turn of events....


GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 02:08 PM

By "turn of events" do you mean that the entire profession that you claim to belong to, and the profession that Akenaton tries to use to camouflage his bigotry have utterly renounced your position?
That is surely an interesting turn of events.
Now don't argue with me, just go re-read the link in the OP.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 03:10 PM

Ake's statistics are like saying that of all the people who have prostate cancer, 100% of them are men.

As my young neighbor would say, "Well, DUH!!"

And Gooballupagus is like the little old lady who insisted that the earth is not round, it's flat, and rests on the back of a giant turtle. When she was asked, ironically, by a young astronomer, "Oh, really? Tell, me, what does the giant turtle stand on?" she responded, "It's no good, young man. It's turtles all the way down!"

Amusing, but scientifically, it doesn't bear a great deal of resemblance to the real universe. As TIA just said, "Now don't argue with me, just go re-read the link in the OP."

Don Firth

P. S. Hasn't this thread more that run its course and is merely repeating itself over and over again?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 06:55 PM

Prof the Froth: "P. S. Hasn't this thread more that run its course and is merely repeating itself over and over again?"

Well quit saying dumb things on it then and it would probably be a lot shorter!

The problem is that when food is only judged as good as it tastes, or sex is only thought of as a pleasure for your toys!

History will make complete buffoons out of this generation...bet on it!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 07:14 PM

There is significant new news about some developments on the original subject, but since this thread has degenerated into a flame war between the idiots and bigots (on a couple of "sides") and those who don't have the good sense to ignore and NOT RESPOND to them I guess I won't participate by adding them here.

John (middle name DISGUSTED)


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 09:30 PM

I do not compile these statistics.
If you are disgusted, please be disgusted by the official US health agency Centre for Disease Control.

Most of you, including Don, seem to be very intelligent people, why do you find it so hard to understand simple compilations.

There are two results which cannot be manipulated or misread, 63% of all new hiv cases are amongst MSM....and 79% of all new male hiv cases are amongst MSM.
That is not like saying,"that of all the people who have prostate cancer, 100% of them are men,"

Nothing like it, it points to serious health problems amongst male homosexuals.
Why do you say things like that Don? Is it just that you dont want a serious discussion of the issue.

I think thats what Ian and John P were getting at when they urged members "not to respond to my opinions lest it give me an air of respectibility".

I simply reprint the latest hiv figures to show that the point I am making is still valid, every year the new infection rate among male homosexuals rises by approx 10%, regardless of imformation, education or vast amounts of money thrown at the problem.

Only compulsory testing and contact tracing has any hope of stopping the epidemic.
Fidel Castro instigated this course of action in the eighties and Cuba has the lowest infection rates of any country in the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 09:57 PM

All those showing 'positive' to be euthanased and their 'brains' (assuming they have one) donated for dissection and medical research.

Hang on, though. Their brains would fetch very good money on eBay. You could advertise them as "hardly used".


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 10:35 PM

John in Kansas speaks the truth and wisdom.

I shall, henceforth, follow the injunction in the Bible. From the book of Proverbs:   "Go from the presence of a foolish man when thou percieveth not in him the lips of knowledge."

Translation:   "Don't waste your time arguing with an idiot!"

I'm not going to continue to waste my time.

Ta ta!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 12:24 PM

Bishop Frothing Flogger: "I shall, henceforth, follow the injunction in the Bible."....
(without the sophistry) Being as it came from you....Just to keep the record straight....

18:22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable. (Leviticus 18:22 NIV)[2]

20:13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable.

...you quote the bible, and even try to twist that!..(sophistry)


Translation:   "Don't waste your time arguing with an idiot!"

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 02:20 PM

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 02:26 PM

Go forth and multiply.

I was always led to believe that is in the bible.

Although based on Akenaton's contribution above, we should be quoting from Mein Kampf. When people are forced to be tested for HIV, why not measure their nose length and check for circumcism whilst you are at it?

I wasn't doing a Godwin there, I read perhaps one of his most disturbing posts, and there have been a few candidates...


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 03:04 PM

I believe it was Noah. After the arc came to ground on Mount Ararat after the Great Flood subsided, and the animals went out, two by two, Noah said, "Go forth and multiply."

Giving the arc one last check before he and his family left, he saw two snakes curled up in a corner and they were crying.

Noah said, "What are you still doing here? I said 'go forth and multiply.'"

"But we can't!" said one of the snakes. "We're adders!"

Rimshot!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 03:30 PM

""And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
-- Genesis 1: 22-23 (KJV)
""

Which is exactly why I have problems with the bible being the inerrant word, literally true, because no two versions actually agree on the wording or source of many oft quoted passages.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 03:48 PM

Thanks Don (s)

Now, as the pub beckons I shall do just that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Mar 13 - 01:10 PM

For such an 'educated' Bishop, I'm ALMOST surprised you actually have very little understanding of the Bible!.....but then, in an earlier post, you did mention you only went to church because of the Ol' Lady...Refresh your own memory.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Mar 13 - 01:20 PM

You just can't stop lying, can you, Goofballupagus?

You know NOTHING.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Mar 13 - 02:21 PM

To set the record straight, in my freshman year, I took a course at the University of Washington called "The Bible as Literature" from Professor Paul Trueblood. We read large portions of the Bible, as whole works—the way those scribes who wrote it in the first place intended they be read—instead of the usual practice of most people these days of reading a few isolated verses, generally in an attempt to prove some spurious point. I KNOW the Bible much better than many ministers and pastors that I have met.

I attend Central Lutheran Church here in Seattle—with my wife, Barbara (who is NOT "the 'Ol Lady," but a beautiful, intelligent, talented woman)—because I like the people and I like the pastor(s). They don't "preach," they teach a philosophy that is very relevant to today's world, and is consistent with the teachings of Jesus. For an idea of what I mean, read Matthew 25:35-40 (NIV). That encapsulates the essential teaching of Jesus. And this particular church works hard to put that teaching into practice.

And they do not ambush you on the street and shove religious tracts down your shirt front. They quietly "evangelize" by their example. Nor do they believe the Bible is the "inerrant Word of God." Much of it was written for the times in which it was written and bears little relevance to today's world. Such as the "laws" in the Book of Leviticus.

As some have said, "Even the Devil quotes scripture!"

As to my own religious beliefs, that is between God—if there is such a Being—and me, and is nobody else's business!!

You, Goofballupagus, are a FOOL.

Here's a Bible verse for you:   CLICKY.

Have a nice day.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Mar 13 - 07:33 PM

And as to Akenaton:

That 79% of all new cases of HIV/AIDs are among male homosexuals is not at all that surprising. Akenaton uses this figure repeatedly as if it is unexpected, and—for some unfathomable reason—a rational for denying same-sex marriage. This 79% sounds quite large, but it represents a much smaller number of actual people than he is trying to imply.

Legalizing and recognizing same-sex marriage, and thus encouraging stable same-sex relationships, would go a very long way toward reducing the amount of male homosexual promiscuity, which is the primary way in which the virus is spread.

I fail to see any good reason why Akenaton cannot—or will not—see this.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 25 Mar 13 - 11:55 PM

Please re-read the OP link, and then try to dispute the arguments of the hundreds, no thousands, of scientists, medical professionals, and counselors that the linked statements represent.
This thread is not about the Bible.
If you need to cite the Bible here to win the argument, you have already lost.
(And I've got nothing against the Bible).


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 12:27 AM

In modern times, Biblical injunctions against same-sex relationships are irrelevant. In tribal times, when it was important to increase the size of the tribe, perhaps, for practical reasons.

But if anyone's paying attention, this planet is quickly becoming overpopulated.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 03:27 AM

To the 'Most Noble Bishop'

...and here's one for you, jerk-off!..in regards to your son and his mother

So don't tell me about it...I don't give a rat's fuck what school you went to...you missed out on the biggest lesson taught in this life!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 03:51 AM

Don, these figures would suggest that there is something intrinsically wrong with male to male sex.

The "marriage" legislation suggests otherwise and attempts to legilimise the practice. Take up rates for civil union and homosexual marriage are so low and promiscuity rates amongst male homosexuals so high, that it can be taken as read that active male homosexuals have no interest in "marriage" or monogamy.

The reason that the vast majority of people marry, is to provide a secure environment in which to bring up their offspring and build a family structure......this does not apply in the case of homosexuals,
who will have no offspring.
Society is now in the invidious position of having to provide a family to support the practice.

I genuinely feel sorry for these people who will never find fulfillment in their personal lives, but the fault is not in anything I say here.   You must look elsewhere for that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 03:59 AM

..and TIA....right now, with Obamacare looming, many physicians are leaving the practice...so, what do you expect the Medical Association's bureaucrats are going to say, in their 'recommendations'??..They really don't have a choice, based on sound, well established FACTS...the genetic theory is only a theory...and if any physician still wants to practice, and get paid,they'll just have to fall in line.
Actually, in your case that you stated, what I've been saying about receptors during pregnancy, SHOULD have caused you interest..the rest is just political nonsense, and is being exacerbated by political rhetoric.
True story.

That being said, if the Supreme court rules in favor of homosexuals 'marrying' then it won't be the first time they fucked up under this administration..Obamacare for one, and 'Citizens United' for the other! Who knows how politically motivated, their 'decisions' are? Things in this country are all out of whack, and going through changes..and not for the better!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 04:08 AM

Well said, Akenaton....but our resident 'political activist' doesn't fathom what you are saying, because he's never been in that situation. He impregnated this woman, and left them to pursue some other self absorbed agenda..something he still tries to 'justify' with a bunch of lame excuses. Had he actually raised his family, and been a responsible parent, he'd have a clue...as it is now, he's just laundering out the biggest FAILURE in responsibility, that a man or woman can do..and that is abandoning your children/family to chase after money and his idea of status!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 04:40 AM

I hear what you say Sanity, but I prefer not to make this discussion a personal one.

That being said,I have seen the childish abuse which has been thrown about on this and other threads.
This issue, like "abortion on demand" strikes right at the heart of "liberalism" and engenders strong feelings on both sides.

If folks would stop viewing these topics as "political issues", we might start to get somewhere.
Meanwhile the beat goes on......"78% does not amount to very many people"???????


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 05:13 AM

Actually, Ake, I agree with you. The reason I've gone after Firth the way I have, is because he lies, twists and spins the truth, to further corrosion of the nuclear family, both in his personal life, and whatever influence he thinks he's peddling on here...and I find that destructive not only to, first the family, but also ennobling horrible standards and behavior, as if personal responsibility should be replaced with political diaper changing....the political agendas will NEVER replace, nor should ever be expected to replace family, nor family structure.
When counseling a couple, or a family, the counselor can usually spot which party is the source of discontent. They, no matter how slick they may avoid being found out, ALWAYS give themselves away. Men have different 'methods' than women, and this guy is a classic! Always 'justifying' bad behavior, and excuses for neglect...NEVER admitting to a screw up...it's usually always 'the other person made me do it' or I had no choice'..By the way, when counseling, homosexuals have their 'tip-off' as well, and very ofter, it has NOTHING to do with an expressed desire, for sex with a same gendered person!!...and here it is, and I've posted it before...THE tip-off, that a male(usually), is a homosexual, or has homosexual tendencies(and you can see it in some of the posts), is emotional immaturity....and their is a reason for that...and it RARELY comes from birth....HOWEVER, those that DO have 'inclinations' from birth, has to do more with the relationship with the mother's emotional state, in regards to the father, or even men, in general. This, in turn, sets up the receptors in the fetus's nervous system, as well as 'feeding' the emotions, frustrations, hostility, resentments and so on, being as they are sharing the same bodily systems.
It has NOTHING to do with genetics, and only the homosexual community claims that it does. Scientists, though influenced to look there, still have NOT found it...only 'markers' that seems to intersect on one particular gene....and even that, is on a miniscule percentage of homosexuals who claim it was from birth. The rest of them enthusiastically jump onto that bandwagon, as if it even remotely applies to them....and then the politicos scream bloody murder, claiming that it applies to all of them. It really is much ado about nothing, trying to cover their real emotions....but then, emotionally mature people CAN admit to their real emotions...can't they?

Regards Ake!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: saulgoldie
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 09:31 AM

Arguing facts to the fact-o-phobic; fairness to the homophobic; logic to the reason-o-phobic. Totally pointless. Unless you get a kick out of winding them up and watching them run around in sideways figure 8s. (That's infinity, by the way.)

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 01:39 PM

""The reason I've gone after Firth the way I have, is because he lies, twists and spins the truth,""

Nope! He makes a factual comment, and you lie, twist and spin the truth, before using your concocted mixture of spite and bile to attack him.

You are a disgrace, and the most compelling argument I've seen to date against allowing anonymous "guests" to post here,

Guests don't crap all over the family the way that you do.

And members of the family don't establish multiple personas to back up their spite.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 02:06 PM

I think I have supplied plenty of facts....which have been largely ignored.
There are many things in our society much more unfair than refusing the use of the word "marriage" to people of the same gender, when one considers that all "rights" are available through civil union.
Reason seems to to play little part in the stance of those who are pro homosexual "marriage"....."Equality" appears to trump reason on every issue.
What they ignore of course, is the fact that this system is conbstructed on the principle of inequality.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 03:18 PM

Goofballupagus, in your post of once March 26th, 2013, at 3:27 a.m., again you are making up stories--LIES--about me. You know absolutely nothing about the situation.

You are a mean-spirit LIAR--as is obvious to all here.

========

As to Ake's continued rant, he can cobble the figures any way he wants and it signifies nothing of significance. Encouraging those of same-sex orientation to form stable, monogamous relationships is the best way to minimize the spread of HIV/AIDs, as well he knows.

By saying this, I'm giving him credit for some intelligence. Whether he chooses to use that intelligence and recognize the truth of what I, and many other people, are saying is more a test of his character and personal integrity.

Interesting statistic reported in today's news in relation to the fact that Prop 8 and DOMA are now before the Supreme Court:

81%
of the American population now favor the national approval of same-sex marriage.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 04:54 PM

Goofballupagus, since you chose not to become a member and hide behind a made-up name, I can't PM you with this, so I'll have to post it in open forum.

Just for the fun of it, I talked to an attorney friend of mine. This friend happens to be in a same-sex relationship with another attorney. They've been together for some twenty years that I know of, and they were married in the same church that my wife and I attend.

I told him about your posts, harassing me and telling lies about me. I gave him the Mudcat URL and told him some of the threads to look at. So he spent some time browsing through them.

He concluded that I have a pretty solid case for libel. He explained to me that "slander" applies to what is spoken about someone, whereas what is published—and posting something on an internet forum falls under the classification of publishing—is libel.

And, GfS, things you have said about me in your posts are definitely libelous!

Tracking you down would be no problem. Using an internet "handle" does not mean you are anonymous. You can be tracked down. Your IP (internet protocol) address is like "caller ID" and can be traced, the same way that Joe traced the post that you claimed I had written under your name on the Prop 8 thread, and established that it came from your computer, not mine.

Dave said that if I wanted to sue you for libel, you had already posted enough lies about me to hang your ass from the highest flag pole—and he said he would be happy to take the case pro bono, then suggested that in lieu of a legal fee, when I collect damages from you, we could split the settlement. He'd enjoy nailing you, and told me, "If you want to do it, just say the word!"

Ain't no big thing, he said. Lots of law firms are handling internet defamation cases. It's a relatively new field in legal practice and there's a lot of it going on, sparked by people who think they can hide behind a pseudonym and say anything about anybody, and no one can touch them.

Not so! He referred me to this web site:   Ve-e-ery interesting!!

=======

It might be a good idea if others who inhabit this web site and are given to attacking others take note of the above item.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 01:34 AM

Oh, shut up!
You make wild, off the wall statements that you can't back up, and then freak out when you're called on your bullshit! You just aren't getting away with it like you have been accustomed to in the past...(sorry yo' widdle feewings got hoort)...
If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen!
Stick to music....as I've told you more than a few times before!!

GfS

P.S. Now you can call the Wahhh-mbulance....

P.P.S. And Akenaton is correct..he has posted factual figures, given links to the CDC and their figures and you either ignore him, or call him a bigot and homophobic..what gives?...(not that we don't know already)!


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 01:59 AM

Keep it up, wise guy!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 04:56 AM

Well, for someone who likened our exchanges to dueling with foils, may I suggest, that if you look down, your fencing jacket very much resembles a colander!...with confetti flapping out of every hole!!! You've lost handily in EVERY category!!...and to boot, you're a sore LOSER!! Now, quite a while ago, I posted that our exchanges would be VERY informative, because the dialogue would bring out both sides of the debate (for our readers who actually followed this sordid ordeal)...and you've gotta admit, it's been very entertaining for you..something you must have enjoyed, because it gave you something to look forward to, EVERY day!...but, the only glitch was/is you just kept losing....even after I warned you, to knock it off...but NOOOOOO...you just kept comin' calling me names, that not only were inappropriate, but false, misleading...oh, and did I mention both libelous and slanderous?
I told you REPEATEDLY that I was NOT homophobic, but I understood what they were and what they were not..remember?
Whenever Akenaton posted really good and accurate data on the numbers of AIDS cases, you went 'nasty on him' as well....but, (thanks to me) you got hammered, maybe with that same 'jawbone' you set out to use on me...but the fact is, you got the snot whipped out of you....SOOO, may I make a simple suggestion?.....Stop spinning what other posters post, and then attacking us, based on your spin, that were NOT things we posted...Stick to the facts, and be a little bit more polite...show some etiquette, and fuck off with grace and dignity!!

It's been fun, beating the shit out a bullshitter!
YOU LOSE!

Now, if you don't want to get REALLY hammered again, then stop trying to get people to obey propaganda!!

Have a pleasant time posting!!

GfS

P.S....and please DO expound more on your musical history knowledge...and really, fuck politics...(you lose half your audience's favor).


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 06:03 AM

GUESTGuest far from Sanity,

You may not have noticed, wrapped up in your little cocoon of imagined superiority, but it is you who has only one supporter here.

The vast majority consider your posts utterly incomprehensible nonsense.

Far from ""whipping the snot"" out of anybody, you are simply pissing against the wind and proving that you really haven't a clue.

So, to cover your signal lack of reason and intelligence, you twist a commonplace comment from way back and construct around it a totally false edifice which you use to attack the man with whom you are unable to compete.

In order to appear to have more supprt you invent an alter ego and hold conversations with yourself. Pathetic and desperate exactly describes your output.

If you think that's winning I pity you, as I would any delusional adolescent Walter Mitty clone.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Musket
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 07:09 AM

Poor Akenaton. The only village idiot who encourages him is Goofus.

Poor Goofus. The only village idiot who encourages him is Akenaton.

Poor human race. Mediaeval dark age views are spouted and sometimes listened to, because every pillock has the right to be heard under equality. Even those who abuse it for their own ends...


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 11:33 AM

Donald, that's MISTER Guest far from Sanity, to you.....

Musket-Butt,: "Poor Goofus. The only village idiot who encourages him is Akenaton."

Quite untrue....usually idiots making false assertions about things they don't know shit about, or trying to make lame excuses MAY foment a response from me...but then again, they are also too block-headed to get it!

That being said, I know there are some people who read this stuff for the sheer entertainment value of it...¿Comprende?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 03:17 PM

He's gone really crackers, hasn't he?

Why are we responding to this hate-monger? I get more intelligent conversation out of the yapping of my neighbor's Yorkshire terrier.

By the way, as to my fencing skills:   in San Francisco in 1950, in my first competition, in which there was a former National Epee Champion (Fred Linkmeyer) and two members of the U. S. Olympic Team (Salvatore Giambra and Gerry Biagini). I wound up in a tie for third place. Linkmeyer had placed first, which was not a great surprise. Second place went to Sal Giambra. There was a fence-off to settle the third place medal. I lost to Gerry Biagini, ending up in fourth place.

It's a matter of record. Official agency, the Amateur Fencer's League of America. The competition was the De Caprilis Open Invitational Epee Competition. Look it up.

Not bad for a nineteen-year-old kid leaning on a crutch.

My fencing master, Hans Halberstadt, was very proud of me. I was ecstatic. I expected to get my ass whupped--and surprised myself!!

Care to go for a few touches, Goofballupagus?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,jaze
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 10:08 AM

Has Martin Gibson been reincarnated?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: frogprince
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 10:47 AM

I think we generally misunderstand gfs. I think he's often just having an innocent little chuckle with us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 01:38 PM

firth: "He's gone really crackers, hasn't he?"

Whadya' mean??..YOU'RE the one who liked our exchange to fencing....now you're whining due to the 'agony of defeat'!!

firth: "Why are we responding to this hate-monger?"

Not a hate monger...that's just another one of your sophistry spins. I think YOU are the 'hate monger'..you just hate making an ass of yourself, and I just gave you a nudge to reveal yourself!

Firth: "I get more intelligent conversation out of the yapping of my neighbor's Yorkshire terrier."

..and arguing with him!!


GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 02:18 PM

My god!....how much trawling did you do before you dredged up that little gem froggie?
Sometimes, some of the people here surprise me with their viciousness.

How do you sleep at night?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 02:26 PM

Mister guest far from sanity, that's Mr Thompson, or Sir, to you.

I'm rather fussy about what kind of slime uses my given name, and I prefer that they have the guts to lose the anonymity.

You are merely an irritant here.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 02:31 PM

Goofballupagus, I don't bother trying to discuss things with my neighbor's dog. But his unsolicited utterances are generally more intelligent and cohesive than yours are.

And regarding my comments about my first fencing competition, once again that demonstrates that you either can't read or you deliberately distort what people say. It was my first competition, I hadn't intended to enter, but I intended to merely watch (some of the best fencers in the country were entered), but Maestro Halberstad persuaded me to enter. I did, reluctantly. I expected to lose every match. Maestro Halberstadt said, "I think you might surprise yourself."

Keep in mind that I was nineteen years old at the time, and I fenced in a stiff-legged guard position, leaning on a crutch, and could not lunge. So I had to first defend myself from my opponent's attack and hit him with either a riposte or well-timed counter-attack. Simple illustration thereof.

I thought I would lose every bout. But I wound up in fourth place!! I--and several of the other fencers there at the time--regard that as a victory!

Other fencers received the medals. But that evening, I received the congratulations.

And you ARE a hate-monger.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 03:46 PM

Since this thread has passed it's "sell by" date (the Supreme Court is currently deliberating the same-sex marriage issue, I'm sure they are aware that some 81% of Americans favor same-sex marriage, and it's only a matter of time—a fairly short time—before Goofballupagus, Akenaton, and those of similar ilk will go the way of Piltdown Man), I have no qualms about digressing a bit.

For those hardy souls still reading this thread, if there are any who are interested in the sport of fencing, I highly recommend getting a copy of Aldo Nadi's On Fencing, published in 1943, but paperback reprints can be purchased from Amazon. The book is excellent throughout, but in a short chapter toward the back of the book, entitled "Free Will in Defense," I found the secret to my success at standing in one spot supported by a crutch and simply slugging it out with my opponent. How to develop a nearly impenetrable defense! Read and heed!

Also, at Halberstadt's school in San Francisco, both Sal Giambra and Gerry Biagini (two of the country's best fencers and also two of the nicest guys you'd ever want to meet) were very generous to me in the salle d'armes and gave me a lot of tips gleaned from their experience in international fencing tournaments (both of the guys were on the U. S. Olympic Team at the time).

For example, Gerry told me to have a parry or parry combination pre-planned, then hold it until my opponent lunged (similar to what Nadi said in the recommended chapter), but keep my eyes fixed on his shoulder and the right side of his chest (assuming he's right-handed). I will also be able to see his right foot in my peripheral vision. When he lunges, I will see him pick up his right foot, his arm will straighted, and he will move forward—very quickly! That's when I go into my parry-combination, deflect his point, and fire a swift riposte back.

He also said to notice any little mannerisms my opponent had and take advantage of them if possible.

All of this things proved very helpful in future fencing bouts.

That latter—noting my opponent's mannerisms or habits—allowed me to start beating a Seattle fencer who, until that point, had always beaten me. His mouth got dry when he fenced (he was a bit of a mouth-breather), so to alleviate that, he chewed gum. I notice that this made his mask bob a little bit. But a split second before he lunged, he would stop chewing. This was a tip-off. And suddenly he began losing bouts to me! He couldn't figure out how I got so good so fast!

Nasty me! I never told him either!

If you fence, try putting these little tips into practice.

Don (step aside, d'Artagnan!) Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 05:32 PM

Methinks you spun yourself out of control, this time...NOW you're talking about fencing you did years ago...way back then, before they had gunpowder. I'm talking about your posts about the game you likened OUR exchanges to...or don't you remember?

..and I got a goodie for you......remember that link that threw you off the edge?...the one from the Bible that...wait, I'll pull it up........"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

Well, being as you think of us as fencing...here's why that one blew your shit away.....(wait..gotta' get it....) got it...

Hebrews 4:12 says "For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

Touche!

GfS

P.S. YOU say I'm a 'hate monger' but you are either intolerantly wrong, or just generally full of shit.
(Actually, I'm beginning to think you're a glutton for punishment!).


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 06:38 PM

"........'But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.'"

No sweat, Goofballupagus. I did provide.

That's one of your many problems, grasshopper. Without knowing the whole situation and what really happened, you make stuff up.

By the way, how is your knowledge of the Ten Commandments? specially the one that begins, "Thou shalt not bear false witness...."

Translation:   False witness = LYING.

As long as you're into quoting Scripture, think about it.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 06:51 PM

I don't really think of you as a fencing opponent, Goofy. I've fenced with some of the top swordsmen in the country, and even though I certainly wasn't one of them, I managed to do a fair job of holding my own with them. I wasn't a pushover by any means. Even now, after all these years, I could shish kabob you in seconds, and that's no sport at all

You, on the other hand (as I note do most of the more intelligent folk on this thread—or on this web site in general), I regard as a joke.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 12:17 AM

...but you're not doing so good with my ballpoint sword.

...and you posted a while back what the circumstances were...or at least in part...you left out the stuff that made you look like how you really were/are.

But one thing for sure...a guy gets a woman pregnant, and NOTHING would keep a GOOD man away from raising his child....now before you think that is an indictment of you.....you are the one who ripped yourself off!....and really Don, no excuse justifies it...matter of fact I delivered all my children at home, alone...and you know what??....that was among the top two experiences in my life!!!!!!!!!!! Rather than swat them on the ass, to get air into them, I breathed their first breath into them....
......you probably just don't get it.

GfS

P.S. True story...
...and as far as the Ten Commandment thingy, nobody is lying to you...but I do say, 'Only the corrupt and weak accuse others of their ways!'


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 01:00 AM

Goofy, you don't know what you're talking about. You don't know the situation, so you're making things up--and LYING!

Frankly, I don't give a damn what you think.

You really need to spend a bit of time contemplating your own genetic heritage. Or is that too frightening for you?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 01:10 AM

Do not engage.
It feeds the beast.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 03:09 AM

I'm not making up anything..and you know it!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Musket
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 06:26 AM

Woof! Woof! Grrrr Woof! Woof!


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 09:12 AM

Thats the most sensible thing you've said on this thread Ian.

Well done, My new star pup,who has just won four from nine races at Shawfield must be feeling quite depressed at your eloquence?

Try not to get over excited, carpet cleaning bills are horrendous I believe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: frogprince
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 11:41 AM

"NOTHING would keep a GOOD man away from raising his child"

gfs, I've asked before, with no response: what would you in fact do if the mother chooses to move away with the child? Would you chain her up in some hidden place? Would you kill her and bury her in the yard? Do you think you could forcibly take custody of the child and get away with it? Do you believe you could, and should, coerce her into at least staying in the immediate area? Do you believe that if Don had actually been a "GOOD man", she would have percieved that and married him? What is the practical, realistic alternative that would have satisfied your standards?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Amos
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 12:09 PM

I don't care much who marries whom, as long as they are kind to their dog.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Musket
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 12:38 PM

The good professor, who raced under the name Friday's Touch, won 6 and showed 2nd 7 times in only 26 races till he had to be retired through pulling up. My win, as we then adopted him from the local greyhound sanctuary.

In he meantime, he has been invaluable in conversing with Goofus, and presumably from your last post, you as well from now on.

At least it will prevent me from having to talk with you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 02:29 PM

Hmmm....28.87 Lifford.......101 form rating.

A useful animal indeed ........much more so than his owner I presume, who seems a complete waste of kennel space.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 02:30 PM

Thanks, Froggy.

The level of Goofballupagus's alleged mind is that his interpretation of Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet is:

"It's all about two teen-agers fucking."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Musket
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 03:09 PM

Here in civilisation, we don't live in kennels. We live in huge fuck off mansions. Mind you, the good professor can choose between his bean bag at the side of the aga, his basket in the lounge or the rug in front of the fire in my study.

Same sex marriage is a sore point for him. Very sore indeed since having his nuts nipped. However, he did tell me say to you the following.

Woof! Woof! Grrrr Woof!

Which translates as "Whilst ever we have a situation where gay footballers such as Fashanu commit suicide due to how Gay people are demonised, football is the poorer for it. Whilst ever you have to "admit" rather than state you are gay and hope for acceptance, society is the poorer for it.   Whilst ever the HPA figures suggest the HIV fight is far from over, society acceptance and encouragement of monogamous relationships such as marriage on the same footing as any other person is a positive step in the right direction.

And that would preclude your poison and hate being repeated and repeated in order to stigmatise people.

What's that boy? No, no bark, he just farted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 03:13 PM

That's ironic....you seemed to be more concerned with the welfare of your dogs than of your children!!...I guess that's the job of the taxpayers and government, huh?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 04:45 PM

Dr Dolittle I presume?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 11:21 PM

Maybe because their kids are sons of bitches!..Bow wow!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 04:51 AM

Mmmmm. Goofus seems slightly weird even by his own low standards today.

He assumes I think more of my dog than others, that I have kids and that taxpayers look after my kids. What any of that has to do with this thread is beyond me but as I have said before, his mental state is such that encouraging him does you no favours.

Why stop at those random thoughts Goofus? Surely you would do better saying I was a closet gay or that I hang around schools with sweets in one hand and my dick in the other?

My dog on the other hand thinks, well, I'll let him say it.

Woof! Grrrrrrr Grrrrrrr. Woof!

Really? I didn't think they had computers in padded cells? Well, you've analysed the sick twat I suppose. ..


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 08:49 AM

I think GFS, like most folks here, would think it highly unlikely that you have a "dick" to hold in your hand.

You would be better to leave the fine dog out of your offensive posts, lest he mistake Dr Dolittle for the Pushmi-pullyu.

You know...the beast with his arse where his head should be?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 08:53 AM

Maybe 'recreational sex(?)' should be reconsidered....maybe too many people are controlled by the 'allure' of it.......
Maybe there isn't really such a thing, and perhaps it's just an illusion.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 12:02 PM

When I want lessons on offensive posts I shall use yours as the gold standard.

In the meantime my dog is far better than me at discussing these matters with you because he doesn't need to shower afterwards.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 01:00 PM

Your reputation proceeds you.

GfS


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