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BS: Mali 2013

akenaton 02 Feb 13 - 07:52 PM
GUEST 02 Feb 13 - 05:43 PM
Keith A of Hertford 02 Feb 13 - 03:36 PM
Amos 02 Feb 13 - 01:11 PM
Keith A of Hertford 02 Feb 13 - 12:24 PM
Charmion 30 Jan 13 - 07:32 AM
akenaton 30 Jan 13 - 04:18 AM
bobad 29 Jan 13 - 07:06 PM
bobad 29 Jan 13 - 06:41 PM
Charmion 29 Jan 13 - 06:29 PM
bobad 29 Jan 13 - 04:47 PM
Charmion 29 Jan 13 - 04:34 PM
Mrrzy 29 Jan 13 - 12:57 PM
Charmion 29 Jan 13 - 05:59 AM
Keith A of Hertford 29 Jan 13 - 02:50 AM
Keith A of Hertford 28 Jan 13 - 09:23 AM
Keith A of Hertford 28 Jan 13 - 09:21 AM
GUEST,achmelvich 28 Jan 13 - 09:19 AM
Keith A of Hertford 28 Jan 13 - 08:23 AM
Keith A of Hertford 28 Jan 13 - 08:13 AM
bobad 28 Jan 13 - 07:19 AM
GUEST,999 24 Jan 13 - 03:43 PM
Charmion 24 Jan 13 - 03:20 PM
Keith A of Hertford 24 Jan 13 - 07:59 AM
Keith A of Hertford 24 Jan 13 - 03:38 AM
Richard Bridge 23 Jan 13 - 09:51 PM
GUEST,Mrr whose computer STILL R'sIP 23 Jan 13 - 04:30 PM
GUEST,999 23 Jan 13 - 11:45 AM
Charmion 23 Jan 13 - 11:41 AM
GUEST,999 23 Jan 13 - 09:30 AM
GUEST,999 23 Jan 13 - 09:20 AM
Richard Bridge 23 Jan 13 - 08:35 AM
GUEST,Eliza 23 Jan 13 - 08:27 AM
Keith A of Hertford 23 Jan 13 - 05:10 AM
GUEST,Eliza 23 Jan 13 - 04:36 AM
Mysha 23 Jan 13 - 03:28 AM
Keith A of Hertford 23 Jan 13 - 02:52 AM
Mysha 22 Jan 13 - 01:46 PM
GUEST,999 22 Jan 13 - 01:02 PM
akenaton 22 Jan 13 - 11:54 AM
GUEST,Branno 21 Jan 13 - 03:05 PM
Keith A of Hertford 21 Jan 13 - 07:37 AM
GUEST,Branno 21 Jan 13 - 07:30 AM
Keith A of Hertford 21 Jan 13 - 07:24 AM
Richard Bridge 21 Jan 13 - 07:11 AM
Keith A of Hertford 21 Jan 13 - 03:59 AM
Keith A of Hertford 18 Jan 13 - 05:37 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Feb 13 - 07:52 PM

Amos....I doubt if you should have included Marxists in your list of "nutballs". If you are going to include political/economic ideologies i can think of several which would be more suitable for inclusion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Feb 13 - 05:43 PM

"It is right and proper to condemn the piece of Islam that has the same perversions as fundamentalist Christians. These people are fuckin' nuts. Ya want the damned rapture? Boom. There ya go.

Not as gentle as most would like it, but I have no shrift at all for shit like that."

I posted that 17 Jan 13 at 7:30 PM.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Feb 13 - 03:36 PM

it is stupidity incarnate to even begin to believe that the religion itself is the precipitating factor of the psychosis that generates the abuses
Agreed, and no-one here has claimed it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Amos
Date: 02 Feb 13 - 01:11 PM

PSychosis is an individual state, although it can easily be multiplied into huge clouds of scary nonsense.

Individual nutballs gravitate toward things that allow them to manifest their destructive impulses, and often form cliques within religious organizations because religions, generally, are happy to accept anyone who recited the pledge.

Thus, within any set of individuals labeled by a religious tag, small subsets form of nutballs acting out. They often use the vague generalizations of their religious label as a murky rationalization, but it is shallow and meretricious justifying at best. This has happened amongst Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Baptists, Marxists, Scientologists, Jews, Aryans, Sikhs, Sufis, Greek polytheists, Macedonian pagans, and probably every other clump of humans waving a religious banner.

To my mind it is stupidity incarnate to even begin to believe that the religion itself is the precipitating factor of the psychosis that generates the abuses. Insanity of this kind is bred in individuals, and insane acts are precipitated by individually insane minds. It would be delightful to me if we could just call and end to the Grande Masquerade of Granfalloons.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Feb 13 - 12:24 PM

BBC
Speaking beside the French president during the rapturous Timbuktu reception, Mali's interim President Diouncounda Traore said: "It shows how much France is determined to go all the way side by side with Mali. We ask France to continue with us."


Elated Timbuktu greets Hollande
Crowds waved French flags and shouted "Vive la France! Vive Francois Hollande!" as the French leader passed them.

"If I could have one wish, it would be that the French army stays in the Sahara, that they create a base here," Moustapha Ben Essayati, a resident, told the Associated Press news agency.

Many women wore vibrantly coloured clothes and jewellery, which correspondents say was something they could not do during the past year of Islamist rule.

"The women of Timbuktu will thank Francois Hollande forever," 53-year-old Fanta Diarra Toure, one of thousands of people who gathered in the city's main square, told the AFP news agency.

"We must tell him that he has cut down the tree but still has to tear up its roots," she added, referring to the Islamist militants.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Charmion
Date: 30 Jan 13 - 07:32 AM

Bobad, it's a cinch ECOWAS and the AU won't develop any capabilities worth mentioning if they don't have to, and they won't even start as long as ex-colonial powers like France and New World do-gooders like Canada are willing to pony up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Jan 13 - 04:18 AM

Your tax dollars have already been spent assisting "these psychopaths"

Libya, Iraq?....etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: bobad
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 07:06 PM

BTW, I'd rather see my tax dollars being spent fighting these psychopaths than paying to bring Harper's armoured car to India at the cost of a million dollars.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: bobad
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 06:41 PM

That's reasonable if they have the capability.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Charmion
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 06:29 PM

I think ECOWAS and the African Union should be doing the heavy lfting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: bobad
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 04:47 PM

So why the hand wringing, do you think it best to do nothing and let the Islamists take over?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Charmion
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 04:34 PM

Yup, that's the story so far.

Take a look at this Wikipedia page, too: Northern Mali conflict (2012 - present)


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 12:57 PM

OK, I found that great explanatory video. It's in French but the animation is pretty transparent...


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Charmion
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 05:59 AM

It seems that the very last backgrounder I will ever write for Canadian Joint Operations Command is about Air Task Force Mali and its adventures in support of Operation Serval, which is what the French are calling their intervention in Mali.

Yesterday, I spent several hours hunting down the relevant UN Security Council resolutions and communiques of the African Union and ECOWAS. I am still struggling with the "Mission context" part of the document, the problem being to provide a coherent outline of the conflict in as few words as possible.

The more I learn about Mali and its internal conflicts, which date back to the very beginning of its existence as a soi-disant "state", the lower my heart sinks. For the record, this is the region where the French did the largest non-combatant evacuation operation in modern times, during the last Tuareg upheaval (this is the fifth since 1916), and the 2007-2008 revolt was not complicated by a simultaneous al-Qaida insurgency.

The last time I felt this level of foreboding was December 2001, when the first Canadian battle group for Kandahar was announced under Operation Apollo.

Just sayin'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 02:50 AM

Our Left accused France of a colonialist adventure, but the view we are seeing is of liberators freeing happy, grateful Muslim people from the imperialist/colonialist yoke of the Islamofascists who sought to expand their empire and impose their hated dogma on an unwilling people by brute force, intimidation and murder.

Or am I missing something?
What does it "reveal" Richard?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 09:23 AM

Sorry, that is what your "oh" meant, right?

Anyway, 1st hundred.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 09:21 AM

Er, I think they do have access to weapons in USA.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 09:19 AM

encouraging news from mali - but there has to be more to this. and as the guardian article says - the taliban or fundamentalists are armed largely by kidnap payments from the west. (something to think about when planning your gap year travels) if a small group of criminals can hold power and cause such mayhem and misery over a large part of the country because they have guns paid for by the west - we have to stop exporting arms anywhere. imagine what would happen if we allowed religious fundamentalists access to weapons in the uk? or the usa? oh....


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 08:23 AM

NY Times today.

— Residents of northern Mali's largest city poured out of their homes to celebrate the expulsion of Islamist fighters who had held their town for months, playing the music that had been forbidden under the militants' harsh interpretation of Islamic rule and dancing in the streets.


"Everyone is in the streets," a Gao resident, Ibrahim Touré, said in a telephone interview. "It is like a party. There is music. There are drums. It's freedom."

In Gao, people who had been under occupation for nearly a year by Islamist fighters flooded the streets in jubilation, weeping and shouting to welcome the Malian and French troops who arrived in force on Sunday, residents said.

Gao is the most populous city in Mali's north, and it endured months of repression under fighters aligned with Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb. The city's residents were subject to strict rules and harsh punishment, including amputations for suspected thieves and public beatings or whippings for perceived violations of Islamic law.

Fatou Cissé, a Gao resident reached by telephone, said crowds were chanting "Vive la France!" and singing the Malian national anthem.

"I was out there with them," said Ms. Cissé, who said she was wearing bright wax-print fabric with short sleeves, the kind of clothing that was banned when the city was under militant control.

"My head is not covered," she said. "Girls are out of the house, and they are dancing."


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 08:13 AM

Guardian today.

Islamist insurgents retreating from the ancient Saharan city of Timbuktu have set fire to a library containing thousands of priceless ancient manuscripts, some dating back to the 13th century, in what the town's mayor described as a "devastating blow" to world heritage.

Hallé Ousmani Cissé told the Guardian that al-Qaida-allied fighters on Saturday torched two buildings where the manuscripts were being kept. They also burned down the town hall and governor's office, and shot dead a man who was celebrating the arrival of the French military.

He added: "This is terrible news. The manuscripts were a part not only of Mali's heritage but the world's heritage. By destroying them they threaten the world. We have to kill all of the rebels in the north."


The manuscripts survived for centuries in Timbuktu on the edge of the Sahara hidden in wooden trunks, boxes beneath the sand and caves. The majority are written in Arabic, with some in African languages, and one in Hebrew, and cover a diverse range of topics including astronomy, poetry, music, medicine and women's rights. The oldest dated from 1204.

Seydo Traoré, a researcher at the Ahmed Baba Institute, who fled Timbuktu last year shortly before the rebels arrived, said only a fraction of the manuscripts had been digitised.

"They cover geography, history and religion. We had one in Turkish. We don't know what it said."

Traoré told the Guardian that some rebels had been sleeping in the new institute where some of the manuscripts were kept. He said that they had also destroyed the shrines of more than 300 Sufi saints dotted around the city. "They were the masters of the place," he said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: bobad
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 07:19 AM

"Among the celebrating crowds, many smoked cigarettes, women went unveiled and some men wore shorts to flout the severe sharia Islamic law ......."Now we can breathe freely," said Hawa Toure, 25, wearing a colorful traditional African robe banned under sharia... "We are as free as the wind today. We thank all of our friends around the world who helped us," she said.

Malians celebrate, French-led forces clear Timbuktu.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: GUEST,999
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 03:43 PM

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Charmion
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 03:20 PM

Any British national still in Benghazi after all that has been going on there for the last two years is either a mercenary or too stupid to be allowed to let go of Mummy's hand.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 07:59 AM

The Foreign Office is urging British nationals to leave the Libyan city of Benghazi immediately due to a "specific threat to Westerners".


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jan 13 - 03:38 AM

al-Qaeda by calling them terrorists. They aren't
I would say they are.
They deliberately target innocent, unarmed, ordinary people.
A bomb on a train is an act of terror.
Likewise a bomb on a plane.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 09:51 PM

Seems fair to me Bruce.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: GUEST,Mrr whose computer STILL R'sIP
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 04:30 PM

I watched an excellent 5-mn video, animated, that explained Mali and the French involvement on a French newspaper site the day that the French sent in ground troups, and now I can't find it. It showed how the smaller, southern part differs from the much larger, northern expanse, where the deserts are, where the Touareg are, where the French were and are and why now...

I will continue to look. If anybody else finds it first, post a link, there are enough francophones here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 11:45 AM

Twenty-five below when I stepped outside to have a drag. Was wearing a jacket, sandals and shorts. How's it where you are?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Charmion
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 11:41 AM

Is it right nippy down there in the Townships, 9? You sound a bit frosty this morning.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 09:30 AM

I just had my coffee and after a rereading of my last post I must admit I agree. Have a good day everyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 09:20 AM

I think part of the problem can be found in language. We have legitimized organizations like al-Qaeda by calling them terrorists. They aren't. That is simply how we react and thus perceive them; it isn't what they are. They really are little more than psychopaths and they would be seen as such were religion and politics removed from the picture. However . . .

We love to see ourselves in The West as being free, but are we? More and more our various media are controlled by large companies with very clear and often somewhat dubious moral agendas, most of which seem to point toward world domination in some form or other, none of which bode well for humanity, imo. Our food supply is in fewer and fewer hands; our education systems use business models; our cultural values are a mockery of anything akin to culture, unless one defines culture as "I get what I want when I want it or I have a right to take it from someone else."

When the world allows sick leaders to lead sick nations, define nations how you will, it is no wonder things result as they have. Until such time as countries, philosophies, cultures treat with each other, we will always create enemies of each other because we no longer speak as equals. Equals in the sense that we all have the right to live our lives and if cooperation and interdependence are part of that life then fighting will not resolve the issues be they human, cultural or economic.

And I ain't even had my coffee yet!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 08:35 AM

I don't think that that is technically right. Those things are not part of democracy (not your words exactly, Keith, I know) but may (with qualifications) be desirable for a democracy the better to function.

For democracy to function there must be an informed electorate and that requires a plural press, although that press may require some regulation. I'd suggest that there might be merit in a democracy that did not have a two-party or three-party system as those have led to the "dictatorship of the majority" - and in some cases a dictatorship of something less than a majority. There is also the possibility that a view held by a majority may be simply factually wrong (like the once near universal beliefs that the earth was flat, or that the sun went round the earth) or morally wrong (like support, happily I think waning, for the death penalty).

Civil liberties are part of the Dicean concept of rule of law - which our present UK government are busily trying to reduce, or at least of which they wish to reduce the effectiveness. They may well be necessary for a democracy properly to function but are not I think an intrinsic part of democracy - and indeed our present government in many cases wishes, it seems, to reduce them. Moreover, one person's liberty impinges on that of another so some balancing is necessary. Do we not all wince when watching those TV shows about the police in action and see the coercive way that the police address those they arrest?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 08:27 AM

True Keith, and protection from intimidation and eradication of corruption. We're lucky here in the West to be able to enjoy all these things aren't we?.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 05:10 AM

Democracy is more than just elections.
It requires a free media, an opposition, civil liberties, .....


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 04:36 AM

If democracy means the right of the majority, by franchise, to elect leaders and impose systems of government and Law, then by definition, fundamentalist Muslims (or any other group with extreme tenets) could in theory come into power by sheer numbers of voters, (or apathy of the rest to vote in elections) The moment one makes exceptions or exclusions, the concept of true democracy is lost.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Mysha
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 03:28 AM

Hi,

OK, so you're really asking:

"Are people in several governments right in saying that the spread of radical Islam is a threat to all liberal democracies?"

Well, on the one hand is the point of view that, like anything else, democracy that is not defended will eventually be lost. On the other hand is the viewpoint that, as democracy is a freedom, by its very nature it can't be enforced, regardless of the tools or arms used to do so.

How these two can be conciliated, I don't know. I would note, however, that when I grew up, there was a dictatorial system said to aim for world conquest for a belief that was for the good of the people. Approximately one in every five people still lives under such dictatorships today, yet it's been a long time since I heard about an aim for world-communism. Would other dictatorial systems fare differently?

Bye
                                                                Mysha


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 02:52 AM

Mysha, by us I meant people of the liberal democracies, which is virtually all of us on this forum.

Instead of the "spread of Islam" I should have said "of radical Islam," but their agenda is to spread Islam, by any means.

All our governments agree it is a threat.
Our (Labour) opposition yesterday said it was such a threat the the government should cancel planned cuts in our army.

According to Richard, I "revealed" myself by just asking if they were right!
What is Labour revealed as Richard?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Mysha
Date: 22 Jan 13 - 01:46 PM

Hi,

"... All these governments say their own nation's security is threatened. Are they all right to say that the spread of Islam is a threat to us all?"

I can't tell from your examples whether people in those governments are saying anything at all about the spread of Islam. So, is this a hypothetical question?

And, BTW, who are the "us" you mention?

Bye
                                                                  Mysha


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Jan 13 - 01:02 PM

Ake, you keep using the term Liberal. Would you please give me your working definition of the term so I understand what you are saying?

Thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jan 13 - 11:54 AM

The "liberals" all supported the Arab Spring, what with the green shoots of democracy and all that!
Now that the strong men are dead and the area is in the power of religious zealots and an almost uneducated populace, we are in serious trouble......and the "liberals" have gone into hiding again.

All these buzz words like equality, democracy,etc, must be weighed against the behaviour of those who demand them,

Is it "equality" to hand a sword to someone who wishes to cut your head off....or is it stupidity.
Is it "equality" to bring into mainstream society a lifestyle that carries horrific sexual health figures and demands the re-definition of one of the cornerstones of human society...or is it stupidity.

The parallels are there for all to see.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: GUEST,Branno
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 03:05 PM

Other people, just sayin'... not only professional politicians.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/01/21-5

Lots of mineral wealth in the former colonies, old boy, what?
Et bien, mon vieux!
Yeah buddy, need more ammo?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 07:37 AM

I did not say I believe it, but I would like a reason to dismiss it.
Labour is not contradicting.
Nor is Obama, nor any EU state.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: GUEST,Branno
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 07:30 AM

Oh Keith - really! Your Prime Minister has told you... you believe this shite?
Don't you remember the Downing St. memoranda and other lies that led to the debacle in Iraq?
Or do you believe it's because 'they' hate your freedoms?

The French foreign minister (can't recall his name, don't really care) tells 'us' that La Belle France intends to 're-colonise' North Africa.
Is it for 'freedoms', or is it perhaps for the gold, the copper, the URANIUM, and perhaps even the OIL?

This post-Libya blowback is yet another monumental fuckup by yer NATO fatheads, SNAFU of the first order, ALL sides armed (by the usual suspects) and angry, paving the way for the next rape of poor African nations by arrogant white supremacist bastards.

Just sayin...


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 07:24 AM

You omitted the question mark Richard.
I was asking, not stating.

The (Labour) Shadow Home Sec was just interviewed on BBC, and he supported the government line.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 07:11 AM

As Mandy Rice-Davies said "He would say that wouldn't he?"

Keith - your words: "Are they all right". Your question. Man up and face it.

So many of your posts here are tainted with prejudice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 03:59 AM

Our Prime Minister has told us that we and the West face years of war against Islamist terrorism in this region.
He says they want to destroy our way of life and kill as many as they can.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 05:37 AM

Reuters yesterday.

In a rare eyewitness account of Wednesday's dawn raid deep in the desert, a local man employed at the facility told Reuters the militants appeared to have good inside knowledge of the layout of the complex and used the language of radical Islam.

"The terrorists told us at the very start that they would not hurt Muslims but were only interested in the Christians and infidels," Abdelkader, 53, said by telephone from his home in the nearby town of In Amenas. "We will kill them, they said."

His voice choking with emotion - "I'm a lucky man," he said over the sound of children playing and a television relaying the latest news - Abdelkader described how he managed to escape along with many of the hundreds of Algerians initially detained.

He asked that his family name be withheld.

"I am still choked, and stressed," he said, adding that he feared many of his foreign colleagues may have died. "The terrorists seemed to know the base very well," he said, "Moving around, showing that they knew where they were going."

The kidnappers said they were retaliating for last week's French offensive in neighbouring Mali, and demanded that Paris call off the operation and that Algeria withdraw cooperation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 02:45 AM


That is YOU asking if it is correct to condemn all of Islam.


No it is not Richard.
Our governments said that the establishment of an Islamist enclave in Mali had to be eliminated for our security.

Knowing that many here deny that threat I invited discussion.
Why must you people always try to personalise things and demonize people?

Branno, I have no agenda and no special knowledge.
I am just following events with interest and concern like everyone else.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: GUEST,999
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 07:30 PM

It is right and proper to condemn the piece of Islam that has the same perversions as fundamentalist Christians. These people are fuckin' nuts. Ya want the damned rapture? Boom. There ya go.

Not as gentle as most would like it, but I have no shrift at all for shit like that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mali 2013
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 07:21 PM

Keith, your very opening post says "Are they all right to say that the spread of Islam is a threat to us all?"

That is YOU asking if it is correct to condemn all of Islam.


You reveal yourself.


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