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BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)

Lizzie Cornish 1 27 Dec 12 - 06:12 AM
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Subject: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 06:12 AM

As Chief Theresa Spence now enters her 16th day of Indefinite Hunger Strike, in the hope Stephen Harper will *finally* meet with her...and whilst the Idle No More movement continues to grow at an incredible rate, reaching far beyond Canada's borders, there is now a petition to remove Harper from Office. If you'd like to sign it, then share it to others, here it is:


Get Stephen Harper out! - Petition


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 01:57 PM

Doodledepoop!


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 02:07 PM

She's Baaaaack!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: gnu
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 02:56 PM

She has every right to be, Greg. This is a very serious problem. I don't like certain things bout the way it's being handled but I ain't opening that can of worms again. I get crapped on by both sides every time I do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 02:57 PM

Yup!

Nov. 2012 - CBC report on Harper selling out Canada


Do you guys have ANY idea what's going on? The First Nations of Canada are Rising Up, bringing in thousands, HUNDREDS of thousands, of non-Native folks with them.

The Idle No More Movement is growing on an hourly basis! Check it all out! Harper is on his way out, methinks......especially if Chief Spence dies and she's now in her 15th day of Hunger Strike..

Facebook is buzzing with it all...


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 03:01 PM

On December 4th Canada had MILLIONS of protected Lakes and Rivers, on the 5th, they now have just a few dozen of each...

This man is selling Canada by the pound! He's a sociopathic bastard who does whatever his Sociopathic Corporate Masters tell him too and he doesn't give a toss for any Canadians, nor for Mother Earth!

There are NO borders any longer, for this is now a World Problem, ALL these Oligarch Leaders are the same and it's going to take ALL of us, without borders, to Rise Up TOGETHER to stop them..

The 8th Fire has been LIT!   Come, warm your hands and hearts beside it and keep that Fire BURNING!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 04:43 PM

Oh! LISTEN to this amazing man!!

Harper, you are a dead duck, for the Non-Native People are rising against you too!

Wow! David Dave Bleakney, of the Canadian Union of Postal Workers

OHH! I have to go and type this speech of his out now and send it out around the world!

C'mon, baby, LIGHT that Fire! :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 05:25 PM

FROM DAVE BLEAKNEY, TAKEN FROM THE VIDEO IN THE LINK ABOVE!

Dave has literally just become a 'friend' over on Facebook and I've just put his speech on his page for him..off to post it to Support Chief Raoni now too and send it out to do GREAT THINGS!!

I'm SO choked up over these wonderful words!

"..I just want to say that settler society and all our ancestors, when they came here, they wouldn't have survived without the generosity and grace of the First Peoples that were here. And we signed Treaties and we gave Words that weren't worth the paper they were printed on, and our Silence has been Compliance!
We can say that we didn't have a role in this on-going theft of Land and Culture, but we do. And there are people who kept the fire burning, a candle burning in the dark corners of this world for a long time and that fire is now raging! That Sacred Fire is now raging in the streets, and it's raging in our hearts!   

So, we have a responsibility to recognize these historical wrongs. This isn't just about recognizing some Rights, because those are Natural Rights. Those are Rights that *our* Settler Society has taken away and I don't want to be a part of that anymore. And I invite *every* settler to know and understand that when Chief Spence and The Elders are speaking they've gone beyond just speaking for their nations now, they're speaking for every human being around this planet who wants a different place and knows that the system has failed. We know it in our hearts, we know it in our minds and when a system has failed, that system *needs* to be changed and have a world based on *thousands* of years of knowledge and mutual respect and understanding of how to care for the Earth and how to care for each other.

I no longer want to be a part of that farce, I want to be a part of that Change, and I'll tell you, you know, generations that haven't been born yet, let's hope that they look back at *this* moment and say "When the time came The People rose. They no longer stopped. They went further and they never gave up!" and that the world changed because of what was happening here today and it's happening all across Turtle Island and it's now starting to happen across the Earth!

I want to *thank* those people who led us into this struggle! I want to join them and follow them and say that, you know, don't anymore worry about the bad things and the negative things that are said about people, because these are the flailings of people who are drowning as the water rises around them. They have a life-line, they can grab it if they want, but no longer will those words hurt, no longer will those words sting and no longer will we stand by and let those words be said in our name!   Thank you." - Dave Bleakney


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 06:32 PM

All Hail Saint Liz. The One And Only Advocate For The First Nations All Over The Globe.

Accept No Substitutes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: gnu
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 07:18 PM

Greg... yer outta line. Ya got somethin to contribute, positive or negative, get it done. Otherwise, yer just makin yerself look like a stunned troll. BTW... your posts are personal attacks. That is the one no-no here at Mudcat. When they are deleted I hope my are too.

This is a very important issue.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 09:01 PM

Old tin Lizzie is the one started this stupid thread.

Harper is doing a good job, and will continue as Prime Minister after the next try by lefties in the east to put some other party in power.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 09:03 PM

Be realistic. IMO, your thread heading is redicilous. Because of that, I suspect most folks will mostly ignore it. If petitions were effective in overturning governments (democratically elected or otherwise), I suspect they would have been strategically used to do so in the past - to aviod significant efforts and costs.

One could agrue that a petition can have some influence on some issues. But, more likely in most cases it is not so. (That is, ruling out the effectiveness of an internet petition on a remote part of a folk music site - distributed mostly to peace-loving older folks living outside the country it refers to).

Regardless of what any one person thinks on any specific issue, nationally or in other countries, this government was democratically elected and is into the first part of a four year majority government.

May I suggest as an alternative - you share your perspectives on specific issues through well-thought out and focused (short-not long) discourse, where others are also presented with an opportunity to present their perspectives?


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: gnu
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 09:36 PM

I agree, Ed, but I still think Greg owes and apology or to have his posts struck.

The petition is so poorly worded that I could never sign it. I emailed a chief of one of the Nations here in NB about this stuff weeks ago and heaven't heard back... ? Apparently, there is some "debate" among first nations about all of this??? maybe???

I personally think the bill is terrible. If a pipeline is good, it would make it past existing protection legislation. If not... we gotta have a talk. In the meantime, we gotta TELL Harper we gotta talk and not simply be bent over and fucked up the ass. If yer gonna do it, do it right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 06:44 AM

"...May I suggest as an alternative - you share your perspectives on specific issues through well-thought out and focused (short-not long) discourse, where others are also presented with an opportunity to present their perspectives?"

And may *I* suggest that you simply stay away from any threads I start or comments I put down, as you think I am so stupid, Ed, thus permitting me to be free of your rude words.

Thank you......Up Yours!.....and now, back to the topic of this thread!


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 07:45 AM

"Harper is doing a good job, and will continue as Prime Minister after the next try by lefties in the east to put some other party in power."

Well, I'm glad you got that straight!


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 08:08 AM

"as you think I am so stupid"

I never posted that you are "stupid" (your words), as I do not believe it is so. I offered my advice on the wisdom of your approach and (in good faith) suggested how you could be more effective (and, yes, more interesting), on this (public) thread. I note that I did so in a much less agressive way than some others commenting on similar approaches. (In fact, I pride myself in avoiding 'off topic" personal insults).

In addition, your thread title relates directly to democracy in a nation where I am a citizen (which I detect you are not) - I do take democracy, the will of the people, in my nation seriously.

You are free to take my suggestions, consider them, or just pass them by, unaffected. IMO, wise people consider suggestions and adjust their approach for effectiveness. (I say no more on that).

In conclusion, like others, I will continue to post within the limits of the site rules (and common etiquette). I will read what I wish - and will most likely pass by what I see as mostly bunk or mis-directed.

Quote
""If you cant take the heat - stay out of then kitchen""


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: number 6
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 09:32 AM

Now ... back to the subject of this thread (somewhat relative)

for those that may be concerned

Canadian citizens: Call for an IMMEDIATE No-Confidence vote against Stephen Harp

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 09:51 AM

Related news article:


From Canada's National Post


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:54 AM

It IS an important issue, gnu - and the ramifications of it will impact the entire population of - not just the First Nations.

As far as an apology to Saint Liz, just so soon as she apologizes for the mountains of abuse & shit she's heaped on me - and others - over the years, I'll see what I can do.

And no, they're not "personal attacks" - they're attacks on her bullshit, not hersef.

Best,

Greg


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 12:44 PM

biLL, thanks for that link. I thought I'd signed it a few days back but I must have done something wrong. I definitely signed it today because a post I wrote is showing.

In a way, I think the Harper government would welcome the death of Chief Spence. I've read some pretty vile verbiage to do with her fast. That is shocking--it always is shocking to find out you live in a nation with so much hatred in its soul. Hell, just read the posters who wrote to that National Post article. The nice thing about a free press is that we get to refute that kind of claptrap.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: number 6
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 12:59 PM

The Omnibus Bill (which ignited the Idle No More protest movement)to which Harper is shoving through to law affects ALL Canadians in that it signifies that all other bills in the future can be put through Parliament without consulting the parties that it affects.

Chief Spence is a Canadian hero

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 01:03 PM

OK, who wants to be a part of getting this wonderful speech to go VIRAL? Let's give Chief Spence and Canada's First Nations IDLE NO MORE movement ALL the Help & Support we can!

New FB photo...

I didn't make this photo, someone else did, but I added Dave's speech to it and the links below. Folks put photos out and forget to fill 'em with information..Got the good folks on Raoni's page sharing it out at the moment, bless 'em...

I'm hoping someone will make an American flag version of this for me, if possible. Isn't the internet WONDERFUL!! There's a man over in the Far East who is a Wizard when it comes to making photos and he does it for no other reason than he wants to help! I LOVE Facebook! I LOVE that I can write to folks, tell them what I see in my head and they make photos to send round the world...It's magic!!

Anyway, Dave's been sent this and he was blown away that I'd typed his words out for him..I left 'Meegwetch' off the end of his speech apparently, but I've put it on now...

I'm buzzing!!

The Grumpy Garooooos in here can Carry on Grumping, for I prefer to get out there and fight for a Better World in my own way!

Share the photo out if you have a FB page...Make a FB page if you haven't, and that's an ORDER, for there's a Revolution Taking Place inside it, being led by the Indigenous Peoples all over the world!

Stop Grumping and Join Them!!!


Ooh, and Bruce, I had a real racist bastard come over to my page earlier. Geez he was so unpleasant about the First Nations peoples...I whacked his bum, I can tell you! Boy, did he pick the WRONG woman to say what he did to!! :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 01:43 PM

Yes, even The Academics are coming together! Take a look in here at them queueueueueuing up to leave their names in support of Chief Spence... :0)

FB - Academics in Solidarity with Chief Theresa Spence


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 07:19 AM

Who's Stephen Harper and why should I be interested in getting him out? Is he any worse than David Cameron? Or Gordon Brown before him? Why were there not petitions in Canada to get them out? The English First Nation were rebelling against them but no-one seemed to support us.

Please bear in mind that I have a serious disorder that means I cannot read reams and reams of web nonsense or internet bollocks and tell me why I should care, what actions I should be taking and how it will benefit me in short paragraphs and easy to understand words.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 10:43 AM

Stephen Harper is Canada's Prime Minister and there's no reason for you to be involved in getting him out. People would just write that off to hair envy, no offense.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 10:50 AM

Thanks Bruce - Now I know the who but maybe not the why! How did you guess I may have hair envy anyway? Not all Gnomes are bald you know :-)

But I am...

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 11:01 AM

Recent Canada wide poll on the environment.

Environment-Economy (Canada)


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 01:32 PM

Dave, just a guess. I'm gettin' thin on the top, too.

Harper just got a bill passed that is not good for Canada's environment. It unprotects many many rivers and infringes on treaty obligations our government has with Indians/Native North Americans/First Nations people. (Part of my family is First Nations, but we refer to ourselves as Indians.)

There was little consultation on Bill C-45, and frankly most thinking Canucks are really pissed off both with aspects of the bill and the way it was done. Before the bill I just wanted him to lose the next election. Now I hope he has a massive coronary. For those of us who love this place Bill C-45 is disgusting. Those who voted for it deserve to rot, and the sooner the better. imo


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 02:26 PM

Dave - I will try to explain briefly without taking sides (but, I caution, it is my interpretation - and others may disagree with it)

In a nutshell- Harper's Conservatives have a majority government (got it a little more ethan a year ago).

This right-leaning government has has chosen to shortcut normal parliamentary process and lump a bunch of bills together (that would have passed anyway, given his majority) under a big budget bill and has has limited debate in the house of Commons. There has been concern about the impact on future parlimentary debate and process.

A couple of these bills has a stated goal of reducting federal red-tape in development projects proposed near many waterways (much of Canada is near a waterway of some type) designed to stimulate economic development. Opponents say these changes will limit public debate and impact the enviroment (there is some differences in opinion on that, as noted in the link below).

According to polls I have seen, IMO, there is support for increased econimic development, and concern for the environment - the degree of sopport for either differs in regions of Canada, as does the Harper government's support base. The opposing political partiies are currently in dissaray (though thet may change).

Canada's aboriginal community (some folks see indian as a deragatory term) is mostly based in rural areas, many in remote locations. Economic conditions in many of these communities has been extremely poor, as has been governance (for a variety of historic reasons). Treaties exist, but interpretations differ and action to define and implement these has been slow, (often involving the courts).

An aboriginal person (who leads one group) has been on a hunger strike, requesting to meet the Prime Minister directly (Nation to Nation) to resolve a host of aboriginal issues, including concerns for reduced environmental protections (as noted in the bills above). This request has not been accepted. I suspect theb aboriginal community strongly and broadly supports her initiative (not sure about the national native group that is elected to generally speak for the many communities).

A host of "anti-Harper government" individals and groups (and those with environmental and other concerns) are standing behind the hunger strike - which I suspect they see as a best opportunity to deter the Harper government from its course (as the majority status makes it complex in parliament) through social medis, petititions etc.

(Added to the debate is environmental-economic development concern on both sides for a couple of large "energy" projects (one is a pipeline to transport "tar sands" oil, that has had significant environmental backlash, in Candada and elsewhere).


So, there are a multitude of issues that are at play behind a woman who is using a hunger strike to try and obtain change to government policies and actions.

Navigable Waters Protection Act -another perspective


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Peace
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 04:44 PM

"This right-leaning government has has chosen to shortcut normal parliamentary process and lump a bunch of bills together (that would have passed anyway, given his majority) under a big budget bill and has has limited debate in the house of Commons."

Ed nailed it. I'd mention at this point that the National Defense Authorization Act [NDAA] in the USA passed in just such a way and within it was a right for the President to suspend habeas corpus in the USA. This kind of thing is serious.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: number 6
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 05:12 PM

@Peace ... "This kind of thing is serious." ... it's very serious, if you cherish democracy.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 09:59 PM

Harper doesn't give a rats ass for democracy or starving Indians either! He has an agenda to persue and petitions and protests are not likely to melt his heart of stone! The authority to govern the country has been hijacked from Parliament by an arsehole with a following of brown nosed MP's. Sadly the people of Canada seen fit to elect him and now are forced to watch in horror until he can be kicked to the shitcan of history. I hate to give anyone the impression that I don't like the bastard but I'm afraid the shoe fits!


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 02:48 AM

Thanks Ed, Bruce and all explaining the facts without the histrionics! I understand now - An elected politician is doing stuff that the people who elected him don't like. Seems pretty familiar... :-) Like Sandy mentions above, it seems that this guy does not care about popular opinion. Maybe voting him out at the next election would be a better alternative than wasting time on petitions that are going to be disregarded? Just my 2 pen'urth.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 07:50 AM

And of course, the British Monarchy is involved here too, this being Canada...Do some research, Dave, instead of aiming yet more punches! Read up how Chief Spence also is calling for the Governor-General to meet with her, alongside Harper. You'll find a link to the role of the GG in here:

The Queen and Canada




The 'Idle No More' Movement is growing on an hourly basis. This is becoming not just about Canadian Indigenous issues but about ALL Indigenous issues and all Sociopathic Leaders and Destroyers of Mother Earth. It has become a Movement of people who are coming together to say "ENOUGH!", who are worried sick about Future Generations and what will be left for them to deal with.


You'll also find this story in the UK's Guardian Newspaper and I've no doubt it will soon be in others, for Chief Spence has lit a fire which is spreading around the world...

Harper is a Sociopathic creep who has no concern for anyone other than himself and his cronies..Dilma Rousseff of Brazil, is EXACTLY the same, as are so many 'leaders' around the world.

Oligarchy - The New World Order - NOT for much longer though, for the NEW New Word Order is rising like a Phoenix!

We now have someone working on getting Chief Raoni and Chief Megaron to join up with Idle No More to and start things moving over there..Megaron himself mentioned joining forces with North America on his recent trip to Europe and now the person who organized that trip has seen the massive potential in doing that, we're hoping to get this sorted out soon. He's not long back from that trip around Europe and had been out of the loop, internet-wise, for a couple of weeks, so he knew NOTHING about the Idle No More movement....

When I sent him a wealth of info over last night he was STUNNED!
And then, he was EXCITED! :0)

He's spending today reading up about it all and then he'll be in contact with Raoni and Megaron...

I can't WAIT! Colombia is already rising...and hopefully, soon, the rest of South America will be joining them...


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 07:52 AM

'world' not 'word'
Although a New Word Order could be interesting.. :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 09:37 AM

Happy to help out Dave.

Your assessment seems to sum it up. While public relations initiatives surely have an impact (influencing folks one way or the other) - in democracies, political issues are normally solved through the political process within the nation involved.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 10:48 AM

Do some research, Dave, instead of aiming yet more punches!

Huh? My research was plain for all to see. I explained that I have problems reading reams of inter-bollocks and asked for people to help out. Which they kindly did. Thanks again Ed and all.

And just who is aiming punches at who or what and why?

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 11:08 AM

No problem Dave.

As to boxing, my observation is some boxers just throw a lot of punches wildly, hoping they hit something (anything). IMO, that strategy rarely amounts to much, as the boxer runs out of energy.

Best to just keep your distance from "wild punchers" - that is, if you plan to get into a boxing ring. Personally, my boxing days are past :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 11:27 AM

Very sensible of you, Ed. I have no interest in the boxing ring now either. I did teach Tai Chi for a while and still practice regularly. I find the principle of Ying and Yang helps in all walks of life. The harder people push the more likely they are to find that they are pushing at nothing and end up flat on their face :-)

I was interested in Aikido for a while as well but it got a bit too physical for my old bones. I got to like it when someone explained it was the principle of not being where you were expected to be or doing what you were expected to do. I suppose I have mastered the art at work at least...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 11:40 AM

Dave

In my 20's I took courses in Jiu-Jitsu. The first night of the course I recall trying to hold a board rididly in front of me, as the instructor kicked it. I got whacked in the front of my head. From this, I learned to move the board over my shoulder and head, when it was kicked, directing and reducing the kick energy.

The life lesson I learned from that is best not to resist a force, but it is more effective to try and channel the force where you want it to go. That "bump on the head" has helped me throughout my life and I passed it on to my kids. IMO, it is a good life lesson for anyone:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 12:00 PM

Whilst you're in here being your usual foul selves, Facebook is lighting up with photos of those supporting Idle No More and Chief Spence..I'm just about to make some photolinks for people in Edinburgh who are out there with their placards, and for the Aborigines over in Australia...and....and...and...

Stop being nasty and get busy HELPING!!
This is about YOUR children and grandchildren's future!

Unless, of course, bitching about me is what you consider to be THE most important thing in your lives, in which case, how deathly sad you are......

Right, I'm off to do some FB work now!


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 12:07 PM

Is there an echo in here?

Or, is it just the ghost of Christmas Past?

Either way, it is truly scarrry :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 01:58 PM

Not quite scary, Ed. Worrying that someone can see nastiness in anything but, to be honest, I am quite used to that. People tend to judge others by their own standards and, while mine do slip occasionally, I know they are intrinsically sound.

Welcome to the club of un-witting stalkers and cyber bullies! Just make sure that if you ever do anything for anyone else, that you let as many people as possible on Facebook know how good you are. It is the new way to heaven apparently:-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 02:01 PM

Whilst you're in here being your usual foul selves,....

Take a pill, Liz --- or just feck off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 02:36 PM

Some excellent links about Chief Spence and Idle No More on this page:

Dennis Banks FB page - A Good Day To Die


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Dec 12 - 04:40 AM

In the interest of fairness, and bearing in mind that I believe ALL politicians from ALL sides are manipulative sociopaths (Why else would they believe they can run OUR lives?) here is the other side of the story

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: GUEST,Paddy McBollox
Date: 31 Dec 12 - 10:08 AM

My Facebook isn't "Lighting Up" with any of this, neither are those of my FB friends, many of whom are very politically active and aware. No one is even mentioning it. Maybe you have to be inside the bubble to believe you really are saving a country you have never visited and a people you know little about (apart from what other people on Facebook have told you). Still, if Facebook is acting as a kind of Care in the Community now for some of the more zealous posters and their ever-changing lists of essential campaigns, at least it's taken some of the pressure off Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: GUEST,moonhowler
Date: 31 Dec 12 - 01:17 PM

Chief Spence has brought embarrassment to First Nations people as a result of her corruption and financial mismanagement. She exposed her own Band members to poverty, unsafe conditions, and high risk of harm. Funds were available to prevent this from happening but she allowed these conditions to continue. Her actions are criminal.

She staged a 'hunger strike' to divert attention from her shame. She even managed to get the attention of a few Liberal candidates currying their own publicity. She attempted to skip the channels of communication through extortion. The PM, the Government, and most Canadians are not buying it, and more importantly, intolerant of these manipulative publicity stunts.

This whole exercise is a fraud. It was an organized attempt to draw attention to the idle no more/failed occupy movement and their dog's breakfast of issues, unfocussed and disjointed, and more importantly, manipulated by the NDP behind the scenes to incite social unrest to make the Government less popular. Chief Spence is the poster child of this disorganized conspiracy.

Chief Spence should apologize to her Band members, and then to Canadians, for attempting to capitalize on the misfortune she created. She should be facing criminal charges for what she has done.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 31 Dec 12 - 01:45 PM

What a nice name...and thought ..."Idle No More" ... sounds like they are going to get a job and get off the govt. dole.

Theresa Spence looks more like a well feed porcine Budda than a starving Gahdi.

I agree with the accurate accessment that heads of government should never bend to the whims of hunger strikers or terrorists.


She should be healthier after shedding the blubber of winter.

There is something fishy going on there. She still has her double chin. That must be some nice rich "fish broth" she is "fasting" on.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

"On too many First Nations, sexual abuse, profound dysfunction and physical violence are the stuff of daily life." ( Allison Dempster/CBC News/ The Attawapiskat reserve. )


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Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 31 Dec 12 - 02:29 PM

"It was an organized attempt to draw attention to the idle no more/failed occupy movement and their dog's breakfast of issues, unfocussed and disjointed, and more importantly, manipulated by the NDP behind the scenes to incite social unrest to make the Government less popular"

Hell hath no fury like a Conservative scorned. As for NDP manipulation, fawk, get a life. They couldn't organize a one-car funeral, and that's the Party I support. If you have specific charges to bring against Chief Spence, say what they are, sign the accusations and press forth. What you wrote is not the stupidest thing I've ever seen on Mudcat.


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