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BS: Shooting tragedies and guns

bobad 14 Dec 12 - 06:23 PM
Bill D 14 Dec 12 - 06:21 PM
GUEST,999 14 Dec 12 - 06:18 PM
bobad 14 Dec 12 - 06:17 PM
katlaughing 14 Dec 12 - 05:50 PM
Bill D 14 Dec 12 - 05:29 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: bobad
Date: 14 Dec 12 - 06:23 PM

The right wingnuts are starting to lay blame:

Fischer: Lack of prayer in public schools to blame for Conn. shootings

Mike Huckabee Says Sandy Hook Shooting Happened Because We 'Removed God From Our Schools'


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Dec 12 - 06:21 PM

You are correct, Bruce, that given how many guns are available... to 'borrow' or steal, as well as to buy, NOTHING can prevent a similar story tomorrow... or next week, or next year.
In 20 years? Maybe... if.... and there are so many ifs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: GUEST,999
Date: 14 Dec 12 - 06:18 PM

Canada's "National Post" reported scores of dead. Two of us on their site took them to task for sensationalizing an already horrific event. I do expect the same crap from LaPierre and the NRA. President Obama has vowed to take 'meaningful action' to prevent this kind of thing, but when guns are so easily available I don't see how he can. How the hell did a 20-year-old get two handguns and an AR-15? If a witness statement was reported correctly, that witness said s/he heard what sounded like a hundred shots fired. That implies the .223 was converted to full automatic which is doable with a kit and the know-how. Gun ownership is one issue, gun control is another. As I understand it, none of those kids were over the age of about 10 years. If that ain't enough to make ya cry, I don't know what is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: bobad
Date: 14 Dec 12 - 06:17 PM

This comment from the Atlantic:

"Guns don't attack children; psychopaths and sadists do. But guns uniquely allow a psychopath to wreak death and devastation on such a large scale so quickly and easily. America is the only country in which this happens again -- and again and again."


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Dec 12 - 05:50 PM

I totally agree, Bill.


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Subject: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Dec 12 - 05:29 PM

I hesitated starting this, but there needs to be a place to share ideas...and just vent.

I am alternately saddened, angered, frustrated, confused and coldly analytical about all this.

There are facts, data, ideas, opinions enough to fill 27 threads... but here are my first thoughts.
When I first saw the news, I went to the CNN website to look for details. Over at one side were these two headlines, one directly above the other:

"Gunmen kills 20 children, 6 adults at Connecticut elementary school
Fox News - 12 minutes ago

Man with knife injures 22 kids at school in China
USA TODAY - 7 minutes ago
"

Note the two different verbs.

I also heard that one 'statistic' is that 63% of similar attackers got the weapon(s) from their home or relatives homes.

I also note that the mall shootings in Portland Oregon a couple days ago where 'only' 3 innocent victims were shot were not even mentioned here.

I also know that there is no shortage in this country of either guns OR disturbed individuals. This is in a world with more & more stresses and instant information about shootings. Thus, I wonder how many tragedies have been... or will be... 'inspired' by OTHER tragedies. I cannot believe that this perpetrator had not read & seen the news of earlier situations.

I also am sure that the NRA and those who support it will continue to issue bland statements about how we need to find and deal with dangerous, disturbed people.
I submit that many of the dangerous, disturbed people will not be hard to find.... the only question is how many they will kill as they reveal themselves.

It is also a good thing that I don't know how to find Wayne LaPierre...


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