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BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?

pdq 10 Oct 12 - 09:37 PM
Joe Offer 10 Oct 12 - 09:31 PM
Bobert 10 Oct 12 - 09:03 PM
Joe Offer 10 Oct 12 - 08:59 PM
Little Hawk 10 Oct 12 - 08:50 PM
Bill D 10 Oct 12 - 08:48 PM
Bobert 10 Oct 12 - 08:44 PM
Little Hawk 10 Oct 12 - 08:39 PM
Steve Shaw 10 Oct 12 - 08:23 PM
artbrooks 10 Oct 12 - 07:51 PM
gnu 10 Oct 12 - 07:49 PM
Bobert 10 Oct 12 - 07:48 PM
Joe Offer 10 Oct 12 - 07:43 PM
Bobert 10 Oct 12 - 07:36 PM
michaelr 10 Oct 12 - 07:35 PM
gnu 10 Oct 12 - 07:28 PM
gnu 10 Oct 12 - 07:22 PM
John on the Sunset Coast 10 Oct 12 - 07:11 PM
GUEST,Gern 10 Oct 12 - 07:05 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
From: pdq
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 09:37 PM

He did his missionary service in Bordeaux, France, telling people not to drink. No alcohol at all!

The man has some cojones.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 09:31 PM

No, Bobert - there was only one number assigned to his date of birth, and it was far too high for him to get drafted. The deferments were moot once the lottery came into effect (unless he had a low draft number). Thinking that he manipulated his date of birth to skip the draft, would be as absurd as some of the stuff the "birthers" have tried.

When I left the seminary, I knew my number had already been called. If I had stayed in, I would not have been subject to the draft.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 09:03 PM

Yes, Joe... I was there, too...

Problem I have with Romney is he ***used*** missionary work to get a deferment, then get a high number and no longer ***needs*** the missionary deferment...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 08:59 PM

Bobert, don't you remember how the draft lottery worked? Are you that much younger than I am?

I understand Romney's number was 300 out of 365. I don't think they ever called over 200. There was only one number assigned to his date of birth, March 12, 1947 (Gee, he was born in Detroit, and so was I). Therefore, his exemptions made no difference.

I suppose he could have been drafted if he hadn't gone to college, since the lottery didn't begin until 1969. Still, it seems to me that to call him a draft evader would be stretching the truth. Let's leave that sort of deception to the opposition, and keep the high ground. In the long run, I think we're better off telling the truth without the "spin." The truth is on our side.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 08:50 PM

Uh-huh. Agreed. Insofar as Romney's version of politics goes.

People will use anything they can to push a rotten political agenda...if religion seems to work, they'll use it, like anything else. They can easily use anti-religious sentiment in the same fashion, and they often have done so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 08:48 PM

The 'official' tenets of any religion will seem odd to anyone from outside religion. Add to this the desire for a religion to emphasize its good deeds and helpful aspects while being prickly about its flaws and contradictory practices, and you get.... what we have these days.

Romney IS in what most outsiders see as an 'unusual' religion. (I live 5 min. drive from the huge east coast Mormon temple, and strangeness abounds in the immediate area.)

Gary Trudeau always finds a 'soft' spot in anyone's eccentricities, and Romney himself has spent months trying not to "wear his church on his sleeve", while everyone is wondering what a church which influences what underwear one wears will do in influencing a president.

I, personally, object to Romney for many reasons NOT directly related to his religion, but it IS an issue... just as JFK's was until he showed everyone HE could separate religion and politics. If Romney were less.... Romney, I wouldn't be terribly concerned about his religion, but it does seem to be part of WHY he is so right-wing, so it's not irrelevant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 08:44 PM

When people are clearly using religion and both a shield and sword to push your own political agenda that has nothing to do with religion then...

...high time to call them on it in any way we can... These people must be called on this shit... Go Doonesbury...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 08:39 PM

Why not, Steve? Well, if you have to ask why, there's no use telling you.

It would be like telling someone who habitually calls black people "niggers" why he shouldn't do so.

I like Doonesbury too, BTW. But I liked Bloom County even better. Pity it's not around any longer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 08:23 PM

Gosh, why not ridicule religion. It's baleful, repressive, dishonest and controlling. And just not true.

I'm an inveterate follower of Doonesbury. It's sublime and always utterly on the mark. Vietnam was a shameful episode in the shameful recent history of the US and I applaud anyone who avoided going there. Good for them.

And advice for the poor, unfortunate yanks who are so swept up in their infantile politics. Vote for the bloke who you think could best run the country. Ignore such attributes as his religion, whether he opposes abortion or not (and why should he tell you?) or whether he's a hanger and flogger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
From: artbrooks
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 07:51 PM

I have no particular use for Mormon theology, or any other Christian theology for that matter. Nor do I have much use for the Christian Right, which is where the LDS Church and most of its members can be found. However, I have a great deal of respect for the Mormon ideal of helping others - I was involved (as a VA employee) with the Rexburg (Idaho) Dam disaster in the late 1970s, and I remember that bus loads of Mormons came in and shoveled mud out of streets and yards, up one side and down the other, with no thought of the religious convictions (if any) of the residents.

I don't see any reason at all to ridicule anyone's religion, either for humor or to make a political point.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
From: gnu
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 07:49 PM

2 posts, if ya don't count my proofreading problem and JotSC's post. I don't count his post because it isn't germain to the OP's topic but merely states that someone will, indeed, NOT do what was asked by the OP.

I am not a stats keeper but that has to be at least tied for second place in my books.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 07:48 PM

Well, if he used his missionary work to get a deferment until the lottery exempted him that to me is "evasion"...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 07:43 PM

I suppose I was in a position similar to Romney's. I was exempt from the draft until September, 1970, because I was a "divinity student" in a Catholic seminary. Romney got deferments for college and then for his missionary service. I saw one source that said his deferments ended in December, 1969. Huffington Post and several other sources say that Romney was born on a date that had a very high lottery number, so he was not subject to the draft.

That's the difference between Romney and me. When I got out of the seminary, my draft number had already been called. I knew what was in the cards, so I enlisted in the Army so I could serve for four years as a German linguist instead of being drafted and serving two years as an infantryman in Vietnam. My draft notice arrived while I was in Basic Training. I wrote back and said that my drill sergeant wouldn't let me go.

So, it seems to me that Romney played by the rules, and it would be unfair to imply that he was a draft evader. He just was luckier in the lottery than I was.

Was I a draft dodger for enlisting instead of submitting to the draft and the possibility of assignment to Vietnam?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 07:36 PM

Religion bashing is in...

The Christian Right has been bashing Islam for years...

As for the Mormon Church??? I mean, lets put it out on the table... Here's a guy who proclaims that, in essence, he is the 2nd coming of Jesus and organizes a church around it... I mean, that's a stretch... But here we have so many so-called Christians who have never read the New Testament signing on to vote for a guy who believes that this guy was the 2nd coming just to get rid of a black man in the Whites (ONLY) House...

I mean, for Doonesbury this is USDA 100% Choice stuff and ripe fir picking...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
From: michaelr
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 07:35 PM

Mormomism needs bashing. Those guys are seriously demented, and to even contemplate the idea that one of those wackos could be president gives me a case of the hives.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
From: gnu
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 07:28 PM

I don't include those who do not proofread before posting, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
From: gnu
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 07:22 PM

No. Romney can't hide from who he is and what he says. Trudeau is mocking Romney. If some view that as you propose, it is unfortunate that have such meager intelligence and poor upbrining.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 07:11 PM

"If anyone takes up this discussion, please break with Mudcat tradition and discuss without bashing this or other beliefs."

The sun will stop in God's heaven before that occurs.


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Subject: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
From: GUEST,Gern
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 07:05 PM

Greetings from a long-time reader and occasional contributor. I'm a lifelong fan of Trudeau: I trudged thru the Mekong mud with BD, toured Reagan's brain with Hedley and even followed along with Governor Perry's pregnancy counseling Inquisition. But currently Doonesbury is following the adventures of Young Mitt as he performs is proselytizing duties. It's hilarious, of course, and spot-on politically, as one would expect. But is it mocking the Mormon Church? I can't speak for them, but would they be right to be offended? Mass media mocking religion is not only shameful but dangerous, as recent events should teach us. Is the edgy Trudeau over the edge? I'm a reluctant Obama supporter and have no use for Romney whatsoever. But am I the only one uncomfortable with this depiction of a religious duty? If anyone takes up this discussion, please break with Mudcat tradition and discuss without bashing this or other beliefs.


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