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alanabit 12 Aug 12 - 04:35 AM
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Subject: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: alanabit
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 04:35 AM

I am passing on this brilliant posting, which was brought to my attention by a friend on Facebook:


Reposting: Thank-you very much Maya Fink for bringing this to my attention:

Check this out: On her radio show, Dr. Laura said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Schlesinger, written by a US man, and posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as quite informative:

Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.
1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,

James M. Kauffman,

Ed.D. Professor Emeritus,

Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia

P.S. (It would be a damn shame if we couldn't own a Canadian.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 04:49 AM

That has been going around the internet for well over over a decade.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: alanabit
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 04:52 AM

Oh well, I have caught up at last. It is still a hoot!


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 05:02 AM

Well yes, LoL. Tho, like Peter, I have certainly come across it, or variants of it, before.

But is the matter still an issue, warranting rcycling this on a new thread? My impression is that it is all now a bit of a yesterday's controversy?

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: alanabit
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 05:08 AM

Yes. It is a good sign that it is no real controversy any more. I just happened to read it for the first time this morning and I thought that others would also be amused by it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 05:24 AM

What Snopes.com has to say about the 'letter'


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 05:33 AM

I'd never come across it before and enjoyed it enormously - thanks for brightening my Sabbath.
Does it have any relevance?
Living in a country where the church is battling tooth and nail to retain control of the hearts, minds (not to mention the bodies) of schoolchildren and where homosexuality is very much "An abomination to God".... I'll have to think carefully about that one!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 06:08 AM

How could homosexuality conceivably be an abomination to God when even his own son sat on his right hand?


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Musket
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 06:28 AM

Of course its an abomination to God.

Luckily, there is no such thing as God or any of the other mind controlling nonsense, and its just an excuse to extend bigotry whilst blaming an imaginary friend for having obnoxious views.

Next!


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: gnu
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 06:50 AM

Is God the real OP?

I commend alanabit for wishing, and for taking the time, to share these important questions with others on this Sabbath.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 09:48 AM

There's an image that's worth googling: "Leviticus tattoo fail". A man has a large tattoo quoting Leviticus 18:22 - "thou shall not be with a male as one does with a woman. It is an abomination."

The problem being is that Leviticus 19:28 also forbids tattoos. Presumably including tattoos declaring gays to be abominations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 10:06 AM

Here you go...


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: foggers
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 11:22 AM

Well this just reminds me of all the reasons I fell out with fundamentalist religion some decades ago in my twenties.

And at a time when the debate about same sex marriage is raging, with statistics showing high numbers of homophobic hate crimes, I think the relevance is fairly plain to see. Thanks for posting!


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 12:15 PM

It is a good sign that it is no real controversy any more.

No real controversy? I guess you just haven't been paying attention, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 12:24 PM

Homosexuality - An abomination to God?

hmmmm....

now I'm not one to spread malicious rumours,
but has anyone ever heard of a Mrs God...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 12:28 PM

I think that, if there WERE a god, self-serving texts purporting to be his 'sacred word', but written by men, might be considered to be an abomination.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 01:20 PM

Stop being silly y'all.....this is a serious issue.
Why dont you start doing a little research.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: gnu
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 01:33 PM

As opposed to the song and dance? Seriously, are you serious? It would be truely laughable if it wasn't so truly sad.

You should turn the other cheek before you exact an eye for an eye. See what I'm sayin? If not, bite me. (Yeah, I did, didn't I?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Musket
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 02:07 PM

Wow, what a dilemma.

Akenaton has in previous threads said some disparaging things about God and religion.

Yet the anti homosexuality stance of many God botherers fits his own homophobic stance.

My enemy's enemy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Musket
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 02:09 PM

Of course, the reason why old frustrated men in pointy hats and their acolytes get so bothered about what normal people do in their private lives is that they are so used to rational people telling them to stick religion up their arse....


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: gnu
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 02:33 PM

And they seem to be used to shoving religion down their throats. I shant discuss the arse end of things.

Yeah, I did it again. Ain't I a stinker? >;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 02:38 PM

gnu....I'm an atheist, what I mean by "Stop being silly" is that there is enough data out there from the official health agencies showing that homosexuality and its attenant promiscuity is an extremely dangerous and unhealthy sexual practice.....without bringing God into the debate.
As I said, if you would all go and do some research on a lifestyle which leaves thousands of its practitioners with severely impaired health, many of the youngest dead or dying, you would not enjoy the joke so much.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 02:39 PM

Thanks, alanabit.

Indeed the "Letter to Dr. Laura" has been doing the rounds for some time now, but it merits fairly frequent rereading—along with re-posting from time to time to make sure no one misses it.

There are those who get their kilts in a twist over the issue, but that's their problem. I wonder why they dwell on the matter so much, eh?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: GUEST,sturgeon
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 03:22 PM

'that there is enough data out there from the official health agencies showing that homosexuality and its attendant promiscuity is an extremely dangerous and unhealthy sexual practice..'

People do write utter rubbish on this board.

1) Homosexuality does not intrinsically lead to promiscuity.

2) The most common STDs are chlamydia, genital warts, herpes and gonorrhea, all largely resulting from heterosexual intercourse.

3) HIV is just as likely to be transmitted by heterosexual sex as homosexual.

4)There is nothing intrinsically dangerous about homosexuality or heterosexuality.

5) Lesbians (they're homosexuals too, akenaton) are the least at risk from any STD.

Do put away your blinkers and read up on the subject.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 04:12 PM

For the religious among us, it is worth noting that, according to the Bible, the 613 commandments in the OT(not just ten) are only for the Jews, who must keep them because of their covenant with God. For the rest of us, it's up for grabs.

Beyond that, those who God gave the Old Testament to realized something important that many among us seem to have missed, mainly that though God may have said it, what He meant is a matter that has to be worked out by mere mortals. Anyone who claims to know what God wants needs to submit to rigorous questioning from the rest of us.

For that reason, there are extensive scholarly commentaries that discuss and debate what God said, as well as who He was talking to when he said it.

This approach is infinitely preferable to the the "God said it and I believe it" point of view propounded by certain "fundamentalists" who often have trouble understanding BBC dramatic programming, let alone the King James English.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 04:16 PM

"HIV is just as likely to be transmitted by heterosexual sex as homosexual."........oh?

Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)1 represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the
population most severely affected by HIV. In 2009, MSM accounted for 61% of all new HIV infections, and MSM with a history
of injection drug use (MSM-IDU) accounted for an additional 3% of new infections. That same year, young MSM accounted
for 69% of new HIV infections among persons aged 13–29 and 44% of infections among all MSM. At the end of 2009, an
estimated 441,669 (56%) persons living with an HIV diagnosis in the US were MSM or MSM-IDU.

CDC May 2012.

Guest, perhaps it is you who has a bit of catching up to do?


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: kendall
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 04:22 PM

Why would God create an abomination?


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: GUEST,sturgeon
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 04:26 PM

Akenaton, you don't seem to be aware of the spread of HIV infection in Africa. It's you who needs to do some catching up!


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 04:29 PM

Among the abomination are incense (bit of a problem for the smells & bells school) and "divers weights".


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 04:45 PM

Even in Africa where multiple heterosexual partners are common, the new infection rates amongst MSM are much higher than those among heteros.....in percentage terms of course.

In Western developed countries the infection rates for syphilis and other sexual diseases are considerably higher in MSM.
MSM are also more severely affected by mental health issues.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 04:50 PM

To save time, all these figures are available from CDC and UNAIDS websites, tho' unbelievably UNAIDS do not consider it important to treat MSM (the massively greatest demographic) as a separate group!


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 04:59 PM

Ake, I have a sincere question for you: If you are truly passionate about the risks of HIV/AIDS among the homosexual populations, what are you doing about it? Are you out there cautioning males about the dangers of unprotected sex? Are you putting out posters and flyers directing people to agencies and websites that offer more information?

If not, in what way are you involved?


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 05:03 PM

He wants them to stop doing it - or better still die out. As far as I can figure it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 05:23 PM

I have resigned from the SNP who wish to legislate for homosexual marriage against the wishes of a large majority of those who responded to their "consultation document".

I am amazed that most on this forum are not concerned about the homosexual health figures, or at least are prepared to continue with the status quo.

When I first read these figures about three years ago the rate was 53% of all new infections, it has since been rising steadily, the latest figure for 2010 being just over 70%.

That means 2% of the population accounts for 70% of new hiv infections.....does no fucker ask themselves why?

and if we dont know why, shouldn't we bring in some measures to find out why?
Like compulsory registration and bi-annual testing for men who have sex with men?

Don't say that Gay Marriage would improve the situation, it is simply a smoke screen.....homosexuals do not want "marriage" the take up figures tell you that, the lifestyle seems to involve multiple partners for the vast majority of male homosexuals.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: gnu
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 05:25 PM

Ake. So, good for you that you don't engage in homo sex if you think it's not a good idea. I mean, gee whiz, if yer gonna put yerself at risk by having sex at all ya may as well play the odds by studying all the statistics even tho those statistics are gained by studies which are skewed from the get go. (I'da said screwed from the get go but I have reached my pun limit for today.)

Now, all of the above are a number of arguements under debate until the cows come homo SOOO... here is my suggestion to you. Go fuck yerself BUT use a condom eh? on accounta I wouldn't want you to catch the shite you are spreading... yet again.

True love and sex between individuals is as safe as they choose it to be no matter the form of the relationship. You and the studies you quote have nothing to do with THAT in itself so your diatribe is shite. NOTHING but complete shite.

Fuck yer an asshole. How the fuck do you sleep at night you nasty, ignorant person?

Kendall... "Why would God create an abomination?" Good point. But, "God" did create many... Ake, for instance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 05:26 PM

Why would God create an abomination?

Well, he created Paul Ryan .....


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 05:28 PM

Whatever ye say yersell Dougie!   :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 06:03 PM

Martin Sheen used this shtick when he played the President on the West Wing television series. It's a pretty good piece, but it has been posted at Mudcat at least seven times already.


-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Bert
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 06:05 PM

Hmmm, He's against homosexual promiscuity

AND He's against homosexual marriage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 06:07 PM

Skip it Bert...much too complicated :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 06:19 PM

Richard....I want people to stop smoking. I want people to stop injecting heroin......I dont want anyone to die.....not even Lady Thatcher.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: gnu
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 06:27 PM

Yer a skippy type, Ake. Maybe there is some Nancy in you? Latent tendancies? No need to be ashamed. It's natural as you age and get senile... or gain wisdom and intelligence. Although I assume it's just senility in your case.

Yeah, that's right. You shoved yer foot well into your mouth and I am watching you shoving it in further.

BTW, did I ever tell you I really, really don't like you?

Oh... yeah... I did... many times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 06:39 PM

Adam and Eve.
Not Adam and Steve.
Godammit.
(:-( D)=


(just playing Devil's Advocate again)


Cheerio!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 06:46 PM

Thanks for stopping by, jackass.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 06:59 PM

Only 2% of Americans are gay......that can't be right, can it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: gnu
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 07:04 PM

Al... I dunno about gay in the new sense but I am happy as a clam. But then again, I prefer clams.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 07:35 PM

Naughty naughty Greg. Namecalling again.
What would yer Mum think?
I know she raised you better.
(:-( o)=


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 08:07 PM

"....(1)I want people to stop smoking. (2)I want people to stop injecting heroin......(3)I dont want anyone to die.....(4)not even Lady Thatcher. " ake

1. I have not seen you rant in thread after thread about the dangers of smoking or the societal costs of people continuing to smoke.
2. I have not seen you rant in thread after thread about the dangers of heroin or the societal costs of people continuing to use heroin.
3. Good luck with that. We all die.
4. Even Lady Thatcher.


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 08:31 PM

I don't think God gives a shit about who does what to whom with what. If God really does, God's not doing God's job of overseeing the Universe and whatever is beyond it. As for disease, well, you should take care of yourself yourself -- as the TV show said, "The Truth is out there."


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Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 09:19 PM

Akenaton claims that homosexuals do not want "gay marriage" because they are into promiscuity.

Not according to my observations and experience.

Let me be clear:   I am heterosexual and have been married—to a woman—for thirty-five years. I have never engaged in homosexual relations and have never had an urge to. Personally, I find the idea distasteful to me.

But I also find rap music, heavy metal, deep-fried abalone steak, operatic sopranos with heavy vibrato, and politicians whose only tactic consists of negative campaigning distasteful.

My circumstances are such that I am acquainted with a number of homosexual couples; three pairs of gay men and one pair of lesbian women. All four of these couples are in stable, long-lasting relationships and considering their characters, general behavior, and commitment to each other, they are not "playing around," nor are they kind of people who would tend to "play around."

In fact, all four of these couples I met in the church my wife and I often attend.

None of these couples have HIV/AIDs, nor are they inclined to contract it. They all have committed relationships, are accepted by a wide number of friends and acquaintances, and are, in all respects, good citizens and assets to the community in which they live.

And as far as "defense of marriage" is concerned, the institution of marriage need not be defended against these people. Their relationships do not in any way affect Barbara's and my relationship with each other. In fact, considering their commitment to each other, they could serve as examples of what a good marriage should be.

Akenaton is living in a fictional nightmare composed of his own prejudices.

Don Firth


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