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melodeonboy 10 Jul 12 - 10:03 AM
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Will Fly 11 Jul 12 - 03:48 PM
Dave Earl 12 Jul 12 - 02:15 AM
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Leadfingers 12 Jul 12 - 04:49 AM
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Subject: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 06:32 AM

.....Make sure you have Noah's 'Emergency' phone number.. :0)


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Dave Earl
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 06:42 AM

There was a You-tube thing too over the weekend on which someone said that Sidmouth was almost clear of water by the following day.

However the longterm forecast isn't good so hope for the best but plan for the worst

Dave


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: melodeonboy
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 10:03 AM

..be sure to wear some flowers in your hair! :-)


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 11:49 AM

Now now, Mellors.


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: John J
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 12:28 PM

....bring wellies.

JJ


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 03:06 PM

That gives them a lot more space for the water ceilidh.


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 06:16 PM

I posted the comment saying things were substantially back to normal - and indeed they are in the Byes and all over the town. Obviously farmland is still quite wet. There has been little rain since Saturday and little is forecast, so things should dry out in plenty of time.

I cycled down to town on the Sunday (day after the floods) and apart from a few piles of twigs and a couple of trees down, and a little mud in places, the Byes were much as normal. The Sid rises very fast and goes down very quickly too. Local people have been amazed at low little lasting damage has been done. Fortunately the EA dredged the Sid at Sidford a few weeks ago - this helped limit damage in the village.

Land around the River Otter will take longer to recover - the river is much slower to rise and fall.

Most of the water on roads in Sidmouth (see videos) was simply run-off from fields and gardens, not water spilling over from the river.

I am happy to report one of my pics made MSN webpage!

might still be posted as pic number 9

A selection of my photos are on this webpage (Sidford Bridge area) with links to some of the better youtube material - more will be added later.

photos of Sidford floods and links to youtube around Sidmouth

In contrast to several places in Dorset, Sidmouth suffered virtually no property damage. One large brick wall was demolished near the Ford.

East Devon Council were busy on the Sunday (on double time?) cleaning roads including my own with pressure washers and large vacuum tankers. They even cleaned driveways for some residents!

However, on the Monday (yesterday) two days after the floods I had water through my lounge ceiling owing to a cracked cistern in the roofspace - coincidence or what??


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 04:24 AM

Some 10 day forecasts show weather getting drier in southwest UK with the end of July being sunny. But 10 day forecasts can be inaccurate unless the weather is quite static.

Discussions of Jet stream influence - see for example

link from BBC science

and for more detail on Jet Stream generally:

all about the theory of jet streams

Summary sent to me today:

The Jet Stream has fixed itself in an unusual position; it usually moves around more, and north of the UK. It is currently in a more southerly position around the globe - and frighteningly fixed, without any known scientific reason. This explains the constant rain here - and the extraordinary heat in the US.


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 04:50 AM

What might the parking be like if its mega wet?
Are there alternatives?
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 10:23 AM

The large carpark near town (Manor Road) should be fine and is long stay but for people on the Bulverton campsite things could be inconvenient if they cannot leave their cars on the main festival car park (if they wish to use them during the festival).

There will likely be a car movement ban on the main campsite - assuming cars can get onto it in the first place of course!! If we have another deluge at the wrong time the festival car park could become very tricky. Ensure you park across the slope - cars have been known to slide downwards even with brakes on......

It is all drying out quite well at the moment (sunshine most of the day), so the rugby and cricket fields may be OK. Famous last words!

Otherwise long term parking in Sidmouth or nearby is always difficult (even outside of Folk Week). One option is to park out as far as Sidford (quite a bit of on street parking )and simply use the frequent bus number 52 in and out of town or walk along the cycle path (2 miles). I have known people do that - but of course there are bus fares to consider.

Or there are roads at the other end of town - Redwood Road for example. A bit posh but unrestricted parking and walk into town quite easily. Might upset the natives but there is no law against it!

I'll update my Newcomers' Guide shortly, www.seered.co.uk/folk158.htm

Can't do a proper link - mudcat so SLOW at the moment.


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: maeve
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 11:44 AM

Here you go, Steve: http://www.seered.co.uk/folk158.htm


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 03:33 PM

Your site, Steve, is very interesting.


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Will Fly
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 03:48 PM

Well I'm coming for the latter part of Folk Week - for the first time as I'm not really a festival-goer. We'll be staying in a nice b&b (kindly organised by another 'Catter) with car parking, not too far from the centre.

It's curiosity that's bringing me - and it's also a stop-off before going on to meet up with friends in Exeter to play duets - so I shall enjoy the town and might nip in to the odd session...

If any other 'Catters in are "in session" on the Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday (afternoon only for me on Friday), I'd like to try and pop along and say "hallo".


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Dave Earl
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 02:15 AM

There will be Catters in The Anchor Middle Bar (Upstairs), The New Tavern, The Bedford (Front Bar), The Volunteer (lunchtime)"In the Tradition" seesions and I think there are one or two in the Radway Tunes Session.

You cant avoid Mudcatters at Sidmouth really

Dave


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Dave Earl
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 02:40 AM

Oh !

I forgot to mention that a catter (this one) will be working in the Festival Box Office during Build Up week and the opening weekend.

Dave


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Leadfingers
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 04:49 AM

Dont think The Newt will be running Friday evening , so I shall procbably be in The Middle Bar for at least some of the evening


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: GUEST,vectis
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 05:50 PM

The Royal York and Faulkener on the front have an evening sing every day of folk week, Rosie runs it and all singers and players are very welcome.


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: John J
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 07:24 PM

We only do the fringe....well the Anchor actually!

We've decided that if the weather continues to be so wet, a week of camping is going to be a no-no. Fingers crossed that things improve, otherwise it will be the first Sidmouth we'll be missing in years.

JJ


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Girl Friday
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 01:25 PM

We are booked into the Bulveton Campsite, with caravan . I have requested a pitch in the disabled area . We have problems walking up to the gate in dry weather. What is it going to be like if it is muddy and slippery ? Can someone who knows,give some useful advice please. I Was hoping to make greater use of our car, rather than the bus. Is there even a bus service this year after Hookways went bust at the end of Folkweek 2011 ?


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: JHW
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 03:57 PM

I've done Sidmouth with mud before. Plodging in boots through mud IN the tent to the edge of the Boyd dance floor!


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 14 Jul 12 - 04:28 AM

"What's it going to be like if it's muddy and slippery?"

Answer: muddy and slippery?

Some photos are here: pictures from a muddy year

Some discussion is here: Discussion of a muddy year.

If it is muddy the chances are you'll be able to make less use of your car not more. And car parking on the cricket and rugby fields may be restricted - even for motorcampers who have booked.

The bus service is scheduled to include the new Social Dance venue near Waitrose so must be working as normal.

It is too soon to predict what the weather may be like. The current position of the jet stream only gives the likelihood of poor weather - the actual day be day weather is governed by other factors. At the present time the bottom end of the camping fields are probably unusable and unsafe for vehicle access because of the slope and general ground conditions. There were two small landslips on the Bulverton Road recently - and the road was closed for a while. Minor landslips have occurred on other local roads - the ground is just so saturated.

Some discussion of slopes here:

photos from 2010

and

slopes and calculations

All of this highlights the increasing need to consider Health and Safety in planning use of these fields and the need for contingency plans to accommodate people in other locations - maybe even on private driveways and gardens rather than at Bulverton. I have motorcampers booked into my level and flat garden (and I'm hoping the lawn dries out before they attempt to drive 3 tonnes onto it!) and maybe tents in my garden too.

A 'reserve' of private driveways in Sidmouth that could take motorcampers and caravans in extreme weather would be one idea - I've mentioned it before here but it was dismissed by Joan Crump (EX artistic director). This general idea is gaining credence - look at websites such as camp in my garden dot com

I'll resurrect the idea if this year proves difficult. It is to be hoped that the ground will improve - even access for the heavy equipment needed at the Bulverton could be tricky after yesterdays downpours. It all adds to the hassle and cost unfortunately.

The Bulverton campsite has never been properly organised with a prime emphasis on Health and Safety (and this goes back 15 years or more) but this year there has been emphasis elsewhere on cancelling events because of unsafe car parking on fields. It would be foolish to have an accident and then be accused of negligence.

There are some links on this page.

events cancelled owing to unsafe car parking etc

I'll load some photos of current campsite conditions in the next week or so.

It could still be absolutely fine during the festival - the current need is for contingency planning if only because of the way the jet stream is behaving this year. Using all the available land higher up the fields and avoiding use of the swamp at the bottom of Field 1 might be considered!


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 14 Jul 12 - 06:10 AM

Steve - what a considerate person you seem to be. Were booked on an out of town camp site. Do you know when the last busses go from the town centre ( In case we can't park at the rugby club).
Thanks
FloraG


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 14 Jul 12 - 06:59 AM

Ah yes, but that depends on which bus you mean and to where!

For all public transport enquires this site is useful:

travel line website

As for the last special Festival bus, pretty late, ask the organisers....

If you mean the special (unofficial) bus to Salcombe Regis campsite and other campsites I believe there is some info somewhere on my website as well as on old threads on here. Problem is finding it.... I'll ask Google, she knows everything.

Here you are: (scroll down the page to section 3)

now fancy that - helpful information on buses.


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 14 Jul 12 - 07:18 AM

The latest (Friday 13 July) issue of the Sidmouth Herald (also known as Toytown News) has 6 pages of flood photos. If you want a souvenir copy, I believe you can order via their website.


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: JHW
Date: 15 Jul 12 - 03:50 AM

The Sidmouth email out says "We are very lucky that, unlike many green field site summer festivals, Sidmouth FolkWeek has all of its main events within our covered secure marquees and town buildings and all with easy access to roads."
So no probs with mud in marquees this year.


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 15 Jul 12 - 04:57 AM

I'd forgotten about the six lane highway recently constructed to the Bulverton dance marquee. It was paid for by the Greek government. They had some spare EU cash and needed to spend it before the end of the financial year.

Silly of me.


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Girl Friday
Date: 15 Jul 12 - 09:46 AM

Well said Steve. Drove up thewre the first year we went... just to be nosy. It was frightening in dry weather. Glad that there may be some contingency plans in place.


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Jul 12 - 10:24 AM

Gotta gig next Sunday at the Blue ball Sidford, is the road all right?


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 15 Jul 12 - 10:58 AM

Road is so clean you could eat your dinner off it. Apart from the ground being still a little damp (!) it is as though the floods never happened.


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 04:26 AM

went to Topsham last night to see Spider John. the roads were closed from Bridport to Dorch...Must still be some flooding.


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 11:03 AM

For early risers, there will be at least one Catter (me) in the Faulkner bar morning singarounds, 10.30am -12.30pm from the Sunday morning through till Friday. Other Catters have been known to put in an appearance or two during the week.

Kitty


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 06:09 PM

Dorset was very badly hit with some damage to roads - the A35 and A37 closed for a while. Sidmouth roads are 100% OK and have been for days. Exeter also OK as far as I am aware - but the Exe nearly overtopped its banks.

The jet stream is on the move and so (on average) warmer and drier weather can be expected over the next few weeks. The recent flooding may be irrelevant to FolkWeek and no special arrangements may be needed.

I'll look at the fields and car park in next few days.

The Highways Agency website has details of all major road closures.


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 07:18 PM

Talking to a bloke in the folk club tonight - apparently the A35 has been closed all day because of a landslide!


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Girl Friday
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 07:09 AM

We werein the Dorchester/ Bridport area during the first week of July.
Saw the signs that said the area was prone to flooding, though there was none then. There was a lot of fog between the two. Quite common occurence, apparently. Heard on traffic reports about the flooding, though they didn't mention a landslip. These have also happened in the past.We stay in Winfrith Newborough, which has also past flood problems. Glad things are looking up weatherwise . Look forward to a positive report regarding campsite. Thanks Steve.


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 10:50 AM

Girl Friday: You'll have to wait a little longer then.

I was up by the Knowle today so drove up to the festival car park - water everywhere, the bottom of the field is like a swamp in places. Few potholes in the road (I'm reporting them to DCC and also asking them to clear the road drains), a man was clearing vegetation from the track that leads to the car park entrance and the roadway there is in a poor state but repairable.

I then drove down Ice House Lane - it runs down the side of the campsite. There was a 10 foot long brown puddle right across the road, 8 inches deep (200mm for any younger readers) and the bottom and middle of the campsite are so wet there is brown standing water in all the hoof marks. It's OK to stand on the grass but so wet that vehicles on it would be a joke. I didn't bother walking any further up the hill. Maybe next week.

The middle part of Field 1 (aligns with the puddle across Ice House Lane) is always very wet and today was no exception.

My car smelt so bad when I got home I hosed down the underbody. Eau de cowpat or similar?

My rear garden was underwater in the flood but it has dried very well. It's still soft underneath a drying crust - rather like walking on a firm jelly, press one bit hard and it pops up a few inches away.

So it has a while to go before recovering.

Beautiful sunshine today, more is forecast, that whole area on the car park and campsite hillsides just needs maybe a week longer to drain before it gets back to more like normal.

There is plenty of time!


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Dave Earl
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 11:29 AM

Certainly hope Sidmouth doesn't get any more rain!

Dave


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 01:49 PM

I told you it had been wet in Dorset - this is a bit unfortunate:

video link

We are all waiting for the first muppets be to buried by a landslide from the cliffs to the east of the Esplanade in Sidmouth. Despite all the warning notices they still dice with death.

Clifftop gardens are disappearing at the rate of 2 metres per year according to one recent report.


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 04:35 PM

more details

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/two-feared-dead-landslide-121557837.html

Please make this bloody rain stop!


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 06:00 PM

What should stop is farmers and local government cutting back or removing vegetation, trees, hedges that are natural defences to hold land in place and slow flood water.

This is the third example brought to my attention this week where the removal of 'natural' defences has been implictaed in flooding, or (in this horrible case) worse. The major and regular flooding events in nearby Ottery St Mary (always in the news for floods) have been argued to have been made worse by removal of hedges and trees in past years. Ditto floods from above Beer (neighbouring fishing village) owing to pig farming having churned up the land.

It is the same story up the Sid valley - 'improving' farmland by removing hedges, draining natural ponds that act as overspill capacity.

There was one case when I was a town councillor over 10 years ago - a major landowner wanted to 'improve' land by removing some old hedges - I forget the outcome but it was probably nodded through - he's a big noise in the ruling Party.

"Car slides down muddy field and crushes a family of folkies in their tent."

I've been warning about this for over 10 years as well.

One day........


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Girl Friday
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 06:05 AM

Dreadful.... !!!

Have farmers stopped praying for rain? We have seen no bees in the garden. Have harvested the early spuds, and onions seem to be doing well. A few carrots and parsnips seem ok, but no sign of any tomatoes, and slugs and snails have ate the beans.


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 07:03 AM

How unlucky is that though - to be going through the tunnel just when there is a landslide.

if you went in a bookies and told the bookie that you lived in the UK and wanted to bet you'd die in a landslide. How many million to one would he give you?


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Will Fly
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 07:20 AM

Well Al, you could box clever: make the bet, make a will - and watch the tunnel and the weather. Your loved ones could rake it in...


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 05:16 AM

Anyone remember
I see a bad moon arising?
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 07:32 AM

The weather forecast for EX10 looks reasonably sunny for the week after tomorrow.... fingers crossed!

Kitty


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Girl Friday
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 11:15 AM

Thank heavens ! Long may it last


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: GUEST,Rob Hopcott Watson
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 03:12 PM

Hi

If any of you have previously taken part in the Loose Knit Band Sailing Club Big Session in previous years, you may like to know that it has moved this year to the Balfour pub, 26 Woolbrook Road Sidmouth, Devon EX10 9UZ about a mile back from the sea front.

Unfortunately, this alternative venue has only just recently been identified, so we regulars of that session are doing all we can to put out the word and would appreciate any help in telling people you know who might be interested.

http://www.balfourpub.co.uk/gallery

It has a decent car park and lots of space inside with a big garden at the back. Looking forward perhaps to seeing some of you there!

Thanks :-)


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 07:52 PM

Well if anyone's thinking of cancelling their accommodation (B & B), I've a friend who might be interested (room for 2) as it might be nearer than Exeter where she's currently booked!


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: GUEST,Ebor_Fiddler
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 08:03 PM

We're in at Exmouth! We tried for local booking for self-catering during Folkweek last year, but everywhere was already booked up for 2012 even then.


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 05:39 AM

We haven't been to Sidmouth for a few years, so help greatly appreciated.
Where are the best mixed sessions - singing and playing.
Where are the bsst pasties?
Which pub does the best range of beer?
FloraG


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Subject: RE: If You're Coming to Sidmouth...
From: Dave Earl
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 06:08 AM

Mixed Sessions in Bedford and New Tavern. Radway is Tunes only and Anchor Middle Bar is Singing only (No bloody instruments!)

Beer good in the Swan (if they have the Beer Fest that they've had in previous years) and the Anchor is not bad either.

Other than that it'll be dip yer toe in and suck it and see.There'll be something to your taste somewhere.

Dave


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