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BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary

Songwronger 23 May 12 - 09:39 PM
GUEST,josepp 23 May 12 - 09:53 PM
GUEST,999 23 May 12 - 10:51 PM
MarkS 23 May 12 - 11:04 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 23 May 12 - 11:25 PM
Richard Bridge 24 May 12 - 07:49 AM
Bobert 24 May 12 - 08:19 AM
GUEST,no obama for me this time 24 May 12 - 09:46 AM
Bobert 24 May 12 - 10:04 AM
GUEST,Chongo Chimp 24 May 12 - 12:49 PM
Sawzaw 25 May 12 - 11:24 AM
Bobert 25 May 12 - 01:03 PM
Songwronger 28 May 12 - 07:24 PM
Bobert 28 May 12 - 10:00 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 28 May 12 - 10:26 PM
Bobert 28 May 12 - 10:40 PM
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John P 29 May 12 - 12:51 AM
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Subject: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Songwronger
Date: 23 May 12 - 09:39 PM

President Obama easily won the Kentucky Democratic Primary last night, but the vote was much closer than it should have been considering he was running unopposed. Obama received 58 percent of the vote state-wide, but that means 42 percent of the people who came out gave their support to "Uncommitted." So many people took time out of their day to register a protest votes that "Uncommitted" beat the Presdient in 67 of Kentucky's 120 counties.

Obama faced a similar threat in Arkansas, where at least he was running against an actual human. Lawyer and Occupy Wall Street supporter John Wolfe also came in around 42 percent, or right about where he was polling....

http://news.yahoo.com/uncommitted-beats-obama-half-kentucky-110037550.html

That's MORE THAN HALF of the counties that Obama lost to Uncommitted in Kentucky. And in a related story from West Virginia:

In an embarrassment to President Obama, Federal Inmate No. 11593-051 – otherwise known as Keith Judd – won 10 counties and 41 percent of the vote in West Virginia's Democratic presidential primary Tuesday.

Mr. Judd is incarcerated at the Federal Correctional Institution in Texarkana, Texas, where he is serving a 210-month sentence for extortion, according to The Charleston Gazette. Judd had paid the $2,500 filing fee and submitted a notarized "certificate of announcement" to appear on the ballot....

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/President/2012/0509/Ouch!-Obama-loses-41-percent-of-W.Va.-primary-vote-to-federal-inmate


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: GUEST,josepp
Date: 23 May 12 - 09:53 PM

/////In an embarrassment to President Obama, Federal Inmate No. 11593-051 – otherwise known as Keith Judd – won 10 counties and 41 percent of the vote in West Virginia's Democratic presidential primary Tuesday////

Although I won't vote for Obama in this upcoming election, this is an embarrassment to West Virginia.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 May 12 - 10:51 PM

The only reason I never voted for Canada's Communist Party is that I know I would have shot myself if they'd ever won and I knew my vote had helped that happen. I do on occasion vote for the Marijuana Party when there is nothing else to vote for. However, most of that party forgets to campaign, and when they do, most of us forget their names, so we scrawl illegible stuff on the ballot, sign our real names and say some rude things. Hey, ya can't stand the heat, stay out of the bitchin'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: MarkS
Date: 23 May 12 - 11:04 PM

Bunch of baloney. Of course Obama will win the nomination is spite of a bunch of gadflys. In November, it will most likely be a squeaker though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 23 May 12 - 11:25 PM

Obama lost both KY and WV by double digits in 2008. There's no reason to think he stands a chance in either of them in 2012. They could leave his name off the ballot entirely and it wouldn't make any difference in the electoral vote count.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 May 12 - 07:49 AM

Hell, out there they probably still call him "uppity".


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Bobert
Date: 24 May 12 - 08:19 AM

Face it... With Romney having locked up the Republican nomination, Republican voters are voting in large numbers in Democratic primaries with the purpose of trying to cast doubt on Obama to help their guy win...

Nothing new here... Been going on forever in American politics...

Next???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: GUEST,no obama for me this time
Date: 24 May 12 - 09:46 AM

fool me once shame on you, fool me twice? NO WAY! what a fraud.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Bobert
Date: 24 May 12 - 10:04 AM

Any accuser who is not willing show hos face is a coward... The concept of the accused having the right to face the accuser goes back 8 centuries to the Magna Carta... Step out of the book depository...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 24 May 12 - 12:49 PM

I ain't been committed. To a mental institution, I mean. Does this mean Obama is battlin' ME? If he is, he is in fer the fight of his life. I got all MY coconuts! And they are very large coconuts. Obama don't stand a chance.

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 May 12 - 11:24 AM

Careful. If you post actual facts here you will be attacked and called a hater.

If you respond you will be bullied and accused of mental illness.

I do object to incendiary things like "GUEST,no obama for me this time" handle.

That is designed to stir up an argument. A flame war. Those comments should be ignored.

Just post the facts and they will speak for themselves. That will speak to the folks that can separate facts from spin and rhetoric.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Bobert
Date: 25 May 12 - 01:03 PM

The fact is that, as has occurred over and over in American history, there is some cross over mischief going on in the Democratic primaries by Republican voters...

I'm not saying that Dems have never done this because if you'll read history you'll find this stuff isn't new...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Songwronger
Date: 28 May 12 - 07:24 PM

The Democratic voters in the 3 states mentioned above chose (by about 40% in each case) to refute Obama. One group even chose a nonentity over Obama. That's how low his support is WITHIN HIS OWN PARTY.

The problem is that Obama's presumtive opponent Romney will just continue the Bush/Obama policies. More austerity, more gutting of social programming, more tax burden on the lower income brackets, more international wars, more internal spying and loss of freedoms.

I voted for Ron Paul this past week. I don't care for his economic policies, but he's promised to end the wars. That's why I voted for Obama the last time around. I have to go with the anti-war candidate.

Ron Paul would be gridlocked from day 1. And gridlock is a good thing. The Dems/Reps working together gave us the PATRIOT Act and the National Defense Authorization Act. So we need some gridlock.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Bobert
Date: 28 May 12 - 10:00 PM

And then wronger woke up and realized that he was listening to Rush Limbaugh or dreaming...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 May 12 - 10:26 PM

No he(Songwronger) didn't..he just stopped paying attention to the bankster parties, who go by the name of 'Republican' or 'Democratic' parties...who are owned by the PRIVATE Federal Reserve and their surrogate banks ....which by the way, is not part of the federal government, nor has any reserves.... but,..What's in a name? they're all a bunch of puppets, and the rank and file are just their zombie dupes...but a lot of them don't 'get it' yet! Fortunately a LOT of the country is waking up...hope it's not too late!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Bobert
Date: 28 May 12 - 10:40 PM

(((((((((((((((((((((((((yawn))))))))))))))))))))))))

GfinS broken record time... Expect this thread to be closed soon as the GfinS thread closing tactics take hold,,,

Normal...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 May 12 - 10:55 PM

No, Bobert...Firth wouldn't give it up with the accusations of 'troll' and other crap, along with your chiding, and my response to him, had a part in closing the other thread. You guys just wouldn't give it up, when I had just got back from a funeral for a friend, and I was gone for over a week. I was typing a very comprehensive and fair response, but you and he, with your nasty snide bullcrap demands that I post RIGHT NOW, was WAY too out of line....but, wannabe moochers usually don't have very good manners anyway....and that's ALL about that subject, on this thread. I'll still post my other response when it's is all together....so be patient, and display some of those 'Democratic' manners....


GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 May 12 - 11:03 PM

No, I wanted an answer to my question. But you don't do answers.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 May 12 - 11:22 PM

And my question didn't require a long answer. Just a name.

If you don't like either Obama or Romney, who would you vote for--assuming that your choice might actually stand a chance?

Which, sadly, rules out Kucinich and Nader.

That's all. A name. No great tomes required.

Don Firth

P. S. CLICKY.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: John P
Date: 29 May 12 - 12:51 AM

Don, Bobert, want to start a band called the Zombie Dupes?

There are some great song titles for a band like this:

My Freshly Washed Brain
The Uncivil Rights
Reserve Your Federal Now!
We're All Robots On This Bus
The Elephant in the Room
Don't Vote (It Only Encourages Them)
All The Tea In China, Please


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 May 12 - 01:06 AM

Utter nonsense! Can't you get it through your 'sophisticated pea brain' that to answer your 'question' in regard to Obamacare, which in its entirety, with both bills and supplements, was well over 5000 pages, (and I took notes)..and you want a 'short answer' with NO explanations(?)...and NOW you want a name??????????????? You didn't ask that before. I think you are all over the place, and dizzy.
..and by the way, I don't owe you a name of who I would vote for...do I?
Are you taking a poll?...but I guarantee you, it WILL NOT be Obama/Romney....I might as well vote for Rockefeller/Bernanke...but you just don't get it...and probably won't. You two are just too blocked, or you're on someone's payroll!
...and another 'BTW'..Obama has lost a lot of his former starry eyed zombie/robot supporters..as you have read just a few posts ago, on this very thread. Solyndra, job czar Immelt, and his $500 billion of OUR tax money to start jobs in China, his handling of the BP oil spill, Geithner, shovel ready jobs(a lie), Gitmo, the wars, 'Fast and Furious' a trillion uncounted for dollars, the Fed bailing out foreign bankers WITH OUR MONEY that he refuses to answer, 5 trillion dollars in bailouts and carte blanche, spending, has NOT brought a budget, during his whole term....between he and Bush, that makes 12 trillion dollars in spending....and you think he is some kind of alternative????????????????????..and the list goes on!!!!!................and on!!!!!!!!!!!!
....and you are impressed with YOUR 'hip awareness' of what this is about????.....NDAA???..the 'Patriot Act'..(authored by Joe Biden in the mid '90's), BEFORE 911??!!?? Unemployment numbers?? The economy sucking eggs, as he and his crony capitalist buddies make off with MILLIONS in bonuses??..Remember he promised NO lobbyists in his cabinet?..What a fucking joke! He has NO record of shit..except Obamacare, which you might not think is so cool, once you know more about it!(but you don't). Class warfare??.....Oh yeah, he's my guy!!
...and the other guy....is the same shit!!...Except, he knows the legal speak for closing down businesses for his profits.....LIKE AMERICA....starting to make sense????
Duhhh...no, I don't get it.
They are both working for the same banksters..YOU don't have a choice, you have only been led to believe you do...because you're not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree...but you prance around like people are supposed to respect your lame opinions....and TACTICS. A lot of us don't, and see right through you and your ilk.

..and Bobert, this is NOT from the Tea Party, nor the Republicans, nor the 'right wing'..nor the 'left wing' nor ANY wing of the turkey!

OK..enough said.....you can throw your accusations all you want, in lieu of addressing anything(like you normally do), but it don't wash..it's yesterday's bullshit tactics. Try something NEW...may I suggest 'Reality'?


GfS
he is nothing but a sham


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 12 - 02:53 AM

I repeated my question to make sure you would GET it, but you're STILL dodging the issue.

That's kinda pathetic.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 May 12 - 02:59 AM

From: Don Firth
Date: 28 May 12 - 11:22 PM

"And my question didn't require a long answer. Just a name.

If you don't like either Obama or Romney, who would you vote for--assuming that your choice might actually stand a chance?

Which, sadly, rules out Kucinich and Nader.

That's all. A name. No great tomes required."


THAT QUESTION???????????????????????????????????????


GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 12 - 03:13 AM

Yes! THAT question. Which I asked you way back in the other thread, reminded you of it several times, and which you simply ignored.

I'm going to bed. That'll give you some time to think. Provided, of course. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Bobert
Date: 29 May 12 - 10:16 AM

I'm in, John P...

After trying to get thru GfinS's above post I figure we could do "The Stuck Record Blues", too...

Sheesh...

Never mind... Put me down for drums, guitar or both... Oh, and I can half sing, too...

B:~)


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 May 12 - 10:34 AM

John. you really ought to do it...you might be surprised how popular it would be..and who your audience was....

Bobert, Once again, and as usual, you substituted a dodge, and snipe, instead of commenting on the post...which of course, you CAN'T answer.
...and then DEMAND a quick and immediate response from me about something you demand.

Another worn out and discrediting tactic from the so called, 'liberal' fascists!!!.....they just don't think they are...but then what do they know?

I bet you Sawzaw has the where with all to comment on it, but you'd just slur him, as well...offering NOTHING, and refuse to answer his posts, that he usually includes valid links, for your comments.

.......and you thought it couldn't happen to you!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 May 12 - 10:40 AM

Well, Don, let's see if there will be another candidate....NOT supported by the usual bankster backers.

Gfs


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Bobert
Date: 29 May 12 - 01:21 PM

There wasn't any real question, GfinS... Just the same rhetorical free association Obama hate ranting and raving...

As for the "funniest quote"... I'd give it a 3 on the ten scale... Richard Pryor came up with funnier things to say while trying to extinguish the fire that was engulfing him...

Might of fact, Part B... Yer posts are funnier than anything Bob Hope ever came up with...

See, "now you funny, too."

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 12 - 03:15 PM

First line of an old Wobblie song:

"Goofus, he's a dodger, a well-known dodger....."

There ARE no candidates right now. There won't be until the conventions. Obama is the presumed Democratic candidate because the incumbent usually is, but other than a bunch of Republicans square-dancing around, there is no SET candidate.

But there are a number of POTENTIAL candidates.

Which of the POTENTIAL candidates would you vote for if you could?

(And once again, both Kucinich and Nader have tried for the candidacy and came up empty.)

Who? And for that matter, why?

Have you even thought about it?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 May 12 - 07:03 PM

Bobert: "Might of fact, Part B... Yer posts are funnier than anything Bob Hope ever came up with..."

Yeah...I thought so too...probably pisses off a lot of certain Mudcatters!


OK, you two....instead of saying the same ol' thing over and over again, about how you THINK I hate Obama.....try this: Tell me why you think he is so great, and worth my vote. So far, very little he has shown me(us), has been very convincing....you convince me, and he'll get my vote...BUT..I WILL play 'devil's advocate.

I mean it beats you guys NEVER coming up with any legitimate counter debate, and always resorting to name calling and bad attempts at character defamation. Go ahead, give me your best shot, at why you think he's so good.....sell it to me...and include his record!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 12 - 07:34 PM

Yup! Typical! Answer a question with another question.

Nuthin'!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 May 12 - 07:57 PM

Yup, typical, another non-answer with no substance. Sell it to me, if you think you are either right or so smart!
Stupid non-answers will be your declaration of nothing to say...as usual!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Bobert
Date: 29 May 12 - 08:22 PM

So are Republicans voting in the Democratic primaries???

Yes or no will do just fine, GfinS...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 12 - 08:43 PM

"Stupid non-answers?"

My GAWD, look who's talking!

Okay, Goofus, choke on THIS:

For starters, Obama created more jobs in the first eleven months he was in office than Bush did in his entire presidency.

The following is a comprehensive list of Obama's accomplishments while in office, including much needed restoration of regulations instituted by FDR, but gutted by Reagan. Obama's been busy.

Of course, the Right-Wingers hate it with a purple passion, but this is what the country needs right now!

CLICKY. And--each item has a web-link where you can verify it for yourself.

If you want more, I have LOTS more.

Don Firth

P. S. The Republicans and the Libertarians want to take the country back to the Reagan years—or beyond, to the days of Herbert Hoover.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 May 12 - 08:56 PM

Bobert: "So are Republicans voting in the Democratic primaries???"

Wouldn't matter to me...I'm NOT a Republican.....next.


OK, Don, Some of the 'accomplishments' are not so wonderful...BUT in all fairness I WILL check them out.....and separate facts from spin...

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Bobert
Date: 29 May 12 - 09:04 PM

No, GfinS... You are VERY much a Republican... Your "classless and free" act is just that... An act...

Like I have pointed out over and over: If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck... You parrot REPUBLICAN propaganda...

If you don't see it, sorry... That's called "denial"...

Get off the Republican ***talking points*** and you'll have some credibility...

Right now, you are squarely in the middle of the Tea Pot... Hate, hate, and more hate...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 May 12 - 09:51 PM

You are telling ME what party I belong to???????????????????
I told YOU that I'm not 'belonging' to ANY party...Now get off your trip! Fair enough??

personally I'm beginning to believe you are of the Pity Party....does it make it so?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 12 - 10:30 PM

You may not belong to the Republican Party, Goofus. I don't belong to any political party, but the Democratic Party comes closest to reflecting my own political positions (close, but lots of times, no cigar!)

You may not actually be a member of the GOP, but the political ideas you have consistently expressed in these threads indicates that that is where your sympathies lie.

A philosphy professor I once had at the university said, "Everyone has a personal philosophy [set of principles one believes in, including a sense of ethics, which expresses itself in one's political beliefs] whether they know it or not. Knowing what you really believe is the first step toward wisdom. And sad to say, most people don't! Plato said, 'The unexamined life is not worth living.'"

You definitely come on like a Right-Winger. No matter how much you try to deny that you are a Right-Winger, those are the views that you express.

Sorry! But that's the way it is.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Bobert
Date: 29 May 12 - 10:41 PM

Yup, that's the way it is...

Sorry, GfinS... You have outted yourself here...

No turning back...

"Now the die is cast
nothing happens in the past" (Poco)

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 May 12 - 10:59 PM

Don Firth: "A philosphy professor I once had at the university said, "Everyone has a personal philosophy [set of principles one believes in, including a sense of ethics, which expresses itself in one's political beliefs] whether they know it or not. Knowing what you really believe is the first step toward wisdom. And sad to say, most people don't! Plato said, 'The unexamined life is not worth living.'"

You definitely come on like a Right-Winger. No matter how much you try to deny that you are a Right-Winger, those are the views that you express.

Sorry! But that's the way it is."

Don Firth

Bobert: "Yup, that's the way it is..."


What is this?..a ventriloquist and his parrot?

Outed myself??..from what??..
Just for you, Bobsie-Babes!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 12 - 11:18 PM

Egg on his chin and he criticizes our table manners?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 12 - 12:24 AM

Give up on reasoning with the insane.
There is ample evidence.
It is sad really.
Good night Cecil and lansing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Bobert
Date: 30 May 12 - 09:39 AM

Reminds me of a story... A very learned man was driving by the state mental hospital when one of the wheels came off his car... Just happened that one of the hospital's patient's was walking the fence line and witnessed the event... The learned man got out of his car, retrieved the wheel and rolled it back to the car where he stood by his now opened trunk scratching his head trying to figure out how to reinstall it with the lug nuts missing that were holdin' it on...

"Excuse me, sir", said the mental patient thru the chain-link fence, "but if you take one lug nut off each of the other wheels you can install it and get to where you are going..."

The leaned man looked over at the hospital patient and said, "How could you know that??? You're in a state mental hospital" to which the patient shot back...

..."I may be nuts but I ain't stupid..."

Liked the Jimmy Durante song, BTW...

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: John P
Date: 30 May 12 - 10:41 AM

If ya'll can stop talking about each other for a bit, this thread is ostensibly about electoral politics, even though that isn't the reason Songwronger started it.

What are your opinions about the role of the Electoral College in modern society? Should the Republican and Democratic parties continue to pretend that they are private organizations that should be allowed to do things their own way? What would it look like if we could have a multi-party system in this country? Why does gerrymandering still exist, and what can we do to make it stop? Can we/should we try to force politicians to tell the truth on the campaign trail? Is it possible to get money completely out of electoral politics and how would we do campaigns without it?

As a birther, Songwronger should have no expectation of being taken seriously, but if we want to talk about the real reason that he started this thread, let's talk about the irresistible urge that so many people have to find any little inconsistency or possible "embarrassment" on the part of a politician and try to turn it into an issue. This comes from the left and the right, but these days mostly and most virulently from the right. Both sides tend to do it only to the other side. Let's talk about the news media failing to do it's job when they report these quibbles as if they were important. Let's talk about conspiracy theorists being taken seriously in our society. Let's talk about politicians pandering to birthers, quibblers and conspiracy nuts. Let's talk about what happened to the Republican party; I can remember a time when respectful speech was a Republican virtue (lost along with most other conservative ideals), and the expectation was that one spoke of the president with respect, for the office and the country if not for the man.

Don and Bobert, it's not GfS who destroys these threads. It takes two (or three) to tango. You both like talking about policy and instead you're taking pot shots at an asshole. I know I'm guilty of that as well. Let's stop letting the jerk set the tone for the conversation. That's how Republicans keep winning.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Bobert
Date: 30 May 12 - 12:59 PM

Actually, I am less concerned about the electoral college than I am our legislative and judicial branches of government, both which are currently badly broken...

The only possible fix for the legislative branch is for something to go so badly wrong in this country that needs attention that can't get attention because Congress can't/won't act that brings about insurrection, strikes, mass demonstrations and perhaps some of the real nasty stuff we're seeing in the Middle East... It will take this level of despair and chaos for Congress to agree to being repaired...

The repair is going to involve complete redistricting in every state by an independent entity, perhaps the UN, that makes every district competitive... The repair will also involve a constitutional amendment, if need be, to overturn "Citizen's United" coupled with legislation that provides for public financing of federal elections...

On the judicial side we just need to re-elect Obama in the hopes that one of the 5 Republican justices dies or quits and we can get some balance... Folks do not realize it but it has been ****42 YEARS****
with a Republican dominated Supreme Court... That is a long, long time...

Gotta go...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Songwronger
Date: 30 May 12 - 10:12 PM

What asshats. Last one first. Bobert. Wants the U.N. to take care of redistricting in the U.S. Why don't you move to the fuckin' U.N.? Oh, that's right, they're not a country. They're just a bureaucracy. That you want to give your rights away to. What a freak. And then you trot out the gimpy "Republican Supreme Court" thing. You know, 8 out of 9 of the justices are Catholic, so why don't you blame THEM for the mess the country's in? I mean, you're so into the whole Republican/racist/conservative labeling thing, so slap the Catholic label on the court problems from now on. You hate every other group, it would just be one more.

And John P. Another NPR zombie no doubt. Thinks "the Republicans" are "the enemy." And doesn't even know what a conspiracy is. A conspiracy is defined as, "A secret agreement between two or more people to perform an unlawful act." Here's a description of a conspiracy:

President Obama has a secret list of suspected terrorists that he personally pores over before initiating drone strikes, The New York Times reports.

The list contains a mug shot and biographies of each suspect targeted for killing, according to The Times. In January 2010, two of those targeted included teenagers, one, as The Times described it, who "looked even younger than her 17 years."

About every week or so, according to the report, more than 100 members of the government's national security team meet by teleconference to go over terror suspects' biographies and recommend which should be killed. From there, a list of "nominations" goes to the White House, where Obama approves every name. Obama signs off on every strike in Yemen and Somalia and some in Pakistan – about a third of all drone strikes.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-secret-terrorism-kill-list-071340255.html

I'm not the conspirator, and the above is no theory. It's in the New York Times. Boss Obama lamenting about how he has to kill 17 year old girls now. Oh the agony.

People are tired of Obama. They're voting for the blank on the ballot instead. So Obama will make his semi blackness the issue in the campaign, Bobert and John Pee will bitch about the Republicans, and we'll get Obamney and things will continue as they are. You'll all lose your pensions and if you gripe you'll just force Obamney to kill you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Bobert
Date: 30 May 12 - 10:20 PM

Asshat, wronger???

There is a reason why you are wronger... You are a jerk and a moron...

Any other questions???

Have a nice moronish night...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Songwronger
Date: 30 May 12 - 10:27 PM

One of your more articulate responses.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: Bobert
Date: 30 May 12 - 10:39 PM

Put your tin foil hat back on, wrong-as-wrong-can be...

You tell us, *************asshat****************, how you are going to fix the legislative branch!!!

Come on, BIG WRONGer... Tell us fuckin' plan... Come on... Cat got yer tongue???

Easy to fire shots, ain't it ****************asshat******************???

Bring your plan on!!!

Serious business...

What is your plan???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Battles 'Uncommitted' in Primary
From: John P
Date: 30 May 12 - 10:58 PM

Bobert, Puhleez! Don't respond to the assholes.

The repair is going to involve complete redistricting in every state by an independent entity, perhaps the UN, that makes every district competitive...

I don't think competitive should be the goal. I think we should hire geographers to identify the locations of the centers of the districts, based solely on population distribution. Then the district is centered closely around those centers. In other words, make a voting district be the same as an actual district, so we are voting with our neighbors. No politicians should be involved. Group people contiguously and see where the chips fall as far as who gets elected.

As for the Supreme Court, that is perhaps the best reason to vote for Obama, even though he is still at war and is so slow to evolve. On the stuff that I'm pissed off at him about, the Republicans would be immeasurably worse, and giving them the chance to further stack the court would be dreadful. The Citizens United farce demonstrates that the conservative majority is working for the corporations instead of the people. And the installment of George W. Bush demonstrated that they are working for the Republican Party.


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