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BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?

gnu 30 Aug 12 - 05:03 PM
Bill D 30 Aug 12 - 02:42 PM
gnu 30 Aug 12 - 02:28 PM
MGM·Lion 22 May 12 - 12:10 AM
dick greenhaus 21 May 12 - 08:51 PM
saulgoldie 21 May 12 - 07:22 AM
Fossil 21 May 12 - 06:55 AM
gnu 20 May 12 - 02:08 PM
frogprince 20 May 12 - 11:03 AM
GUEST,Eliza 15 May 12 - 04:44 AM
Fossil 15 May 12 - 04:42 AM
Fossil 15 May 12 - 04:34 AM
Jim Dixon 14 May 12 - 04:19 PM
Jim Dixon 14 May 12 - 04:14 PM
MGM·Lion 14 May 12 - 10:57 AM
dick greenhaus 13 May 12 - 11:56 PM
GUEST,Eliza 13 May 12 - 11:52 AM
Uncle_DaveO 13 May 12 - 11:38 AM
GUEST 11 May 12 - 12:19 AM
GUEST 10 May 12 - 08:32 PM
Mo the caller 10 May 12 - 06:49 AM
Joe_F 09 May 12 - 09:31 PM
MGM·Lion 09 May 12 - 10:26 AM
Jim Dixon 09 May 12 - 08:59 AM
Dave MacKenzie 09 May 12 - 03:54 AM
MGM·Lion 09 May 12 - 03:37 AM
Gurney 09 May 12 - 02:44 AM
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CupOfTea 08 May 12 - 05:47 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: gnu
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 05:03 PM

I'd say late 30s or so. His old man is 69 and he was a barber all his life. Sent his son to school. First day back he ws asked for a shave and said that he wasn't taught... he was sent for balloons.

And... man... the nape of my neck is as smooth as glass.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 02:42 PM

How old is this barber? It would be unusual for a young fellow to know straight razors.

(Me?..haven't been to a barber in 33 years. I 'think' I remember a barber using a straight razor to trim sideburns and such once...maybe 40 years ago)


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: gnu
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 02:28 PM

A guy from "up da nort shore" opened up a barber shop recently a spit and a half from me. I was his first customer. Trimmed my stache fer $2 bucks and he trimmed my neck hair, with the electric clippers... gave him $3.

Today, I sat down and he trimmed my stache and then... no shit, man... he got out the lotion and a REAL barber's straight razor and SHAVED my neck! Now, I dare say that NO other barber in this city uses a straight razor. It's not even taught in school anymore. I guess balloons cost too much?

I am gonna go for a hot shave some day as a treat. After two parotidectomies I have to use an electric razor and I miss that "clean shave" feeling.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 May 12 - 12:10 AM

Never mind that, Dick. Give it another 5 minutes and those books and periodicals will be obsolete too...

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 21 May 12 - 08:51 PM

Bleach routes. or "Javelle Water" Routes were prevalent in US cities up until WWII.
Other obsolete things seem to be grammar and spelling in books and periodicals.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: saulgoldie
Date: 21 May 12 - 07:22 AM

My bike--I call it my "truck" and I use it for all-around riding--has full fenders, a rack, panniers, and lights. My 10-speed racer does not. I do not have any cogs above 6-sp. I find I have plenty of gearing options, anyway. I don't have any indexed-shifting, either.

The guys at the bike store refer to me as a "retro-grouch" because I don't buy stuff any newer-by-design than 'bout 30 years ago (except for lights which have really come a long way). And they roll their eyes when I want replacement parts. But I don't find that most of the newer stuff justifies the marginal improvement with the experience given the cost and increased mechanical complexity. Also the quick-changing configurations make replacement parts unfeasible.

When I get where I am going, I don't usually prop my bike with the pedals, because there is usually some structure I can lean it against. And I lock it with a U-lock. But I doubt if anyone would want to steal it, anyway, since it is all geeked out. I mean, they would have to take the time to strip off all that "unnecessary" equipment.

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Fossil
Date: 21 May 12 - 06:55 AM

One thing that popped up in another context:

You never see a bicycle propped up on the kerb by one pedal anymore.

While there are lots of bikes around, they are either stripped-down very expensive racers or mountain bikes, which don't ever get left out anywhere unless they are chained to a bike rack. And most have derailleur gears, which don't give the pedal much purchase.

Whatever happened to the old black Raleighs, with mudguards, chain covers, panniers and proper Sturmey-Archer gears? You still see 'em in Holland, but everywhere else they seem to have disappeared.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: gnu
Date: 20 May 12 - 02:08 PM

froggy... pics would nice. Sounds interesting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: frogprince
Date: 20 May 12 - 11:03 AM

Parquette flooring blocks, 3 inch by 9 inch. We have a semi-circle of them inside the front door. They're "engineered wood", with oak surface layer. The stuff has been fine for the 28 years we've lived here, and may have been there for 12 years before that. But for a few years we've had a big oval rag rug there. Oops; discovered a few weeks ago that we let a wet spot get trapped, and 16 pieces got seriously delaminated. Went to Home Depot to look about some. Then went to Lowe's and Menards to be sure. Hasn't been made for years. Fortunately my table saw is big enough to cut 3" pieces down to 3/8ths thickness, and I have a router to do little edge bevels like the originals. Someone did miss one trick, as they failed to discontinue the wood stain that matches reasonably well. I got 10 blocks out of the first oak board I bought; didn't try to buy for the whole job until I determined that I could make credible replacements.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 15 May 12 - 04:44 AM

MtheGM, I have just now read about the circumstances. How very very sad. But the article said that you were coming through quite well and felt relief that the suffering was over. No need to refer to this any more, but I hope you now feel you have come to terms with your loss. Eliza


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Fossil
Date: 15 May 12 - 04:42 AM

Oh.

MGM: Just read your reply to Eliza and then googled the story. I would've done the same as you did. She must've been a remarkable lady. My sympathies. The Right Stuff will never be obsolete. Back to the thread, now...


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Fossil
Date: 15 May 12 - 04:34 AM

What Eliza said...


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 14 May 12 - 04:19 PM

Inner tubes are still used as a way to repair tubeless tires that have developed a leak that can't be repaired any other way.

And don't bicycle tires still have inner tubes?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 14 May 12 - 04:14 PM

Bleach delivery? Are you kidding? Why bleach?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 May 12 - 10:57 AM

Eliza ~~ Thank you for your kind words. If you would like to know anything about it, google -Grosvenor Myer suicide-. It became a bit of a cause celebre a few years ago when I went public about it as part of assisted suicide campaign: I had major press interviews, was on Newsnight on same report as Debby Purdy [tho we have not met] &c. All this is online. But if you would rather not know, that is OK too.

Best

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 13 May 12 - 11:56 PM

Dave-
Territorial sells a variety of heirloom tomato (seeds and plants) that are very good. They're only a bit pricier than the more-common hybrids.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 13 May 12 - 11:52 AM

MtheGM I am very sorry to learn that your late first wife wrote a suicide note. I am not asking about the circumstances, but only wish to express my sympathy. Eliza


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 13 May 12 - 11:38 AM

Bert commented,

From molasses and Marmite, which have been wimped down; and fruit and vegetables that have been picked before they are ripe so that they can be shipped halfway 'round the world.

Flavor is gone from most many, many fruits and vegetables not so much because of early picking but because the hybridizers and breeders don't give a durn for flavor. Flavor is not an economic good, to them. For instance, tomatoes. They select and breed for looks, and for economic volume production, for machine harvesting with minimal bruising, and for shelf life, and for disease-and-pest resistance. But flavor? Nahhh! The consumer has already made the purchase before (s)he ever gets that beautiful tomato between the teeth.

And even if you should want to raise tomatoes in your own garden, you'll have almost no chance of getting seeds for the good old-time-flavor tomatoes (what are referred to as "legacy tomatoes"). The great, great, great majority of tomatoes are bred and produced for ketchup, and tomato soup, and pasta sauce and the like. The seed companies produce seeds industrially for varietals intended for those industries, or for mass-raised beautiful-but-tasteless TSOs(*), sort of round objects which can be shipped and merchandised cheaply; flavor is not a desideratum.

(*)TSOs = Tomato shaped objects.

End of rant.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 May 12 - 12:19 AM

wire recorders, disc recorders (both wax and magnetic), tape recorders, mono recordings


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 May 12 - 08:32 PM

Carburetors.
Movie serials.
Movie sing-alongs.
Free dinnerware at the movies.
Ash cans
milk and bleach deliveries.
inner tubes.
msgnetic memory
BASIC programming
mimeographs. hectographs.
Presstype
carbon paper.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Mo the caller
Date: 10 May 12 - 06:49 AM

Horsehair mattresses, feather beds, turning the mattress.

"What care I for your goose feather bed with the sheets turned down so bravely oh
I've got a nice new spring interior, along with a 14 tog duvet-o."


The childrens action rhyme
"make the bed, shake the bed, turn the mattress over"
is obsolete, but a revival is planned at the Chester Festival family ceilidh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Joe_F
Date: 09 May 12 - 09:31 PM

Vacuum tubes, including even cathode-ray tubes.
Incandescent lamps.
Magnetic core storage.

If we live long enough:
Lead-acid batteries.
Reciprocating engines.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 May 12 - 10:26 AM

You haven't been reading my posts, Jim; have you now?!

Someone in one of David Lodge's novels says that nobody ever used a semicolon in a suicide note; I was able to point out to him that my late first wife Valerie did.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 09 May 12 - 08:59 AM

The semicolon: hardly anyone uses it nowadays. I use semicolons a lot, although I find it hard to explain why. It's a way of showing the connectedness of two clauses that would be lost if you used a period (full stop), where a word like "therefore" or "however" seems superfluous.

I think a semicolon captures a certain subtle inflection that we use when speaking. I don't know any hard and fast rules for using semicolons; I just put them in where I hear that inflection in my "mind's ear."


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 09 May 12 - 03:54 AM

There'a good reason why you don't use dial-up handsets nowadays - after a few weeks all the other phones on your number will be buggered, if not the whole street.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 May 12 - 03:37 AM

Many thanks, Gurney. Now that I have the player for them, I prefer to keep my LPs as they are: I really have a nostalgic soft spot for so many of them. & at my time of life, for the amount of play I'd get out of them in my few remaining years, it's probably not worth the investment. But I appreciate the helpful suggestion, which I am sure will be of much help to others reading this thread.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Gurney
Date: 09 May 12 - 02:44 AM

Michael, yes, they are still available. Here, anyway. Try googling for a Optimus LAB 1100, which has a preamp and connects directly to a computer to burn LPs to CDs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 May 12 - 11:24 PM

Oh yes indeed,Ross ~ lots of things are still around somewhere: but do you actually know anybody at all whose landline phones still have dials on them? By same token, I can still play my cassettes on my player, & in my old car; & my vinyls, as they not too long ago produced a new generation of 33/45 decks, one of which I snapped up while available. Anyone still making them?

But vain to deny that these things are, to all intents & purposes, obsolete, in the sense that they are not being made any more, & means to use them are becoming harder & harder to find.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 May 12 - 11:19 PM

yes teachers in those days were on more solid ground with Latin and Greek - after all there were no ancient Greeks or Romans at hand to tell them they were talking bollocks.

When our twin town in France came to visit us, I remember our French teacher had considerable problems making himself intelligible to actual French people - this despite a firm grasp on irregular verbs, pluperfects etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 08 May 12 - 10:36 PM

MtheGM:- dial telephones still work - I plugged one in last week to check if there was a dialling-tone on my failing line - they just don't produce the tones necessary to respond to automatic payment processes.

Still using cassettes in my ten-year-old car - and re-discovering lots of music I haven't been able to play since the player in the previous car died five years ago (I still have cassette players and recorders in the house, but mostly inaccessible). And I'm wondering where my cassette splicer is, and will the splicing tape still work so I can fix the Ran-Tan Band cassette I bought from Dave Mallinson at Whitby last year?

I was happy to find that my ten-year-old laser printer could be reloaded with toner from a bottle for a couple of pounds, when I used to shell out about £60 for a toner cartridge.

I am about to part with a Bang & Olufsen CRT TV which I haven't been able to get to work (no remote, no switches I can find on the set) if anyone wants to take it on.

Things aren't necessarily obsolete because other people have no use for them - cf traditional music for a start!

Ross


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: CupOfTea
Date: 08 May 12 - 05:47 PM

Another thread brought to mind the loathsome concept of appliances with "planned obsolescence" This irks me highly - paying a couple hundred dollars for a device that breaks and cannot be repaired. Replacement parts are not made for it, or it's structured in such a way that a competent technician can't get at the broken parts - just not made to be fixed. I fear for the future of "appliance repair person" as a job category. Much as I hate it, I can see that the obsolescence of this and similar job categories is coming in my lifetime

I fault the Big-Box-Store-Think for this set of dismal prospects.

Joanne in Cleveland (who has a half dozen broken devices I can't bear to toss out because they ought to be repairable)


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 08 May 12 - 06:49 AM

HAving studied Latin myself, I'm wondering just how many students at secondary school today tackle it. Not many, I'd guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 May 12 - 03:11 AM

"The encyclopedia is an amazing repository of countries that are gone, scientifically incorrect "facts", next to the four page dense article about the mathematics and dynamics of seaplane hull design. Really." A good and useful thought--it makes one wonder about whole concept of "The Information Age"


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Skivee
Date: 08 May 12 - 12:51 AM

I have a collection of several vintage cameras going back to around 1903, but the ones that kinda hurt are the ones that I actually used. My Nikon Ftn/F-36 motor drive both backed it in just after the film world started to implode. It would cost more to repair than the system is worth. My whole field of photographic processes, process quality control and copying systems are now historic footnotes. I was at a professional expert level in all these technical areas. I still keep the obsolete manuals next to the 1955 Collier's Encyclopedia.
The encyclopedia is an amazing repository of countries that are gone, scientifically incorrect "facts", next to the four page dense article about the mathematics and dynamics of seaplane hull design. Really.
I'll probably remove or scan the interesting pages and dispose of the rest. The seaplane hull article will certainly be rescued in some form.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: GUEST,PeterC
Date: 07 May 12 - 06:14 PM

Petrol (gas) station give-aways!
I had forgotten them. At one time most of our coffee mugs and tumblers had been acquired that way.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: CupOfTea
Date: 07 May 12 - 05:28 PM

Green Stamps! (few folks "get" the parody of Greensleeves about Green Stamps anymore)

In Cleveland, you got Green Stamps at May Company store and some gas stations. We saved 'em up till we had enough to fill several "stamp books" - and spent a marathon session with an ice cube set on a papertowel in a saucer. You'd slide the stamps over the ice cube to lick them. One book = a $3 coupon for merchandise at May Company.

Seriously obsolete is the entire concept of gas station give-aways. Maps, posters, & I fondly remember a set of glasses from Shell that had a football logo on them that were smoky glass that were very comfortable in the hand. I still miss 'em.

In this area the mom-and-pop independent pharmacy/drug store has vanished, made obsolete by CVS on every corner that doesn't have a Rite Aid or Walgreen's.


Joanne in Cleveland


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 May 12 - 02:38 PM

MtheGM made me remember that educated and literate young people were once expected to be able to read Latin (and even Greek) and to read and speak French. Not sure to this day quite why we needed it

I was in Italy at the end of December last year. I speak no Italian but was able to get the gist of the written explanations of an exhibition based on half remembered Latin from school. Having my Italian daughter-in-law to hand to confirm my guesses helped, of course. And I've done the same - usually without the assurance of a native speaker, to be honest - in many other countries.

My son speaks fluent Spanish as well as English, but he found the same explanations at the exhibition impenitratible


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Bert
Date: 07 May 12 - 01:19 PM

Flavor. Everything nowadays seems to have been yuppified or consumerized to a uniform bland. From molasses and Marmite, which have been wimped down; and fruit and vegetables that have been picked before they are ripe so that they can be shipped halfway 'round the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 May 12 - 01:12 PM

Most regrettably ~~ any sort of seemly respect for traditionally and properly cherished institutions. 30 years ago, when I was only late-middle-aged, I would not have believed that the time would ever come, as occurred early in the second half of the West Ham v Cardiff City play-off match just coming to an end, when a football crowd, in the midst of its usual diet of facetious doggerel set to the tunes of standard pop-songs, casting doubt on the ancestry and legitimacy of the opposition team and its supporters, would have raucously roared and squealed out the whole of our National Anthem, as part of that folklorically interesting but generally somewhat pathetic repertoire.

I consider this shameful. Don't you?

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 07 May 12 - 08:10 AM

'young people were once expected to be able to read Latin (and even Greek...'

A bit've thread drift [apols] but another maybe linked topic of what we all were given to learn at school & how relevant or not it's been in our lives.

Ohms Law: never used it

Algebra, no

French, no - German &/or Spanish would've been more useful

plus piles of other stuff completely irrelevant or well outmoded


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 06 May 12 - 09:32 PM

MtheGM made me remember that educated and literate young people were once expected to be able to read Latin (and even Greek) and to read and speak French. Not sure to this day quite why we needed it, but that is true of most of what we were taught.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: gnu
Date: 06 May 12 - 08:46 PM

Joe... good luck with that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Joe_F
Date: 06 May 12 - 08:27 PM

And, oh, yes, let us hope:

The publishing industry
The entertainment industry
Fashion
Drug laws


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: gnu
Date: 06 May 12 - 06:50 PM

Q... Alberta is a long way to transport a draughting table. >;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Joe_F
Date: 06 May 12 - 06:31 PM

Steam locomotives
Galvanized-iron garbage cans (good riddance!)
Bookstores (sigh -- Amazon is *so* convenient!)
Record stores


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 06 May 12 - 04:31 PM

We have a very healthy farmers' market scene around here, not to mention quite a few farm shops. I try not to buy supermarket meat, as you never know where it's come from.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Gurney
Date: 06 May 12 - 04:05 PM

Yeah, a certain amount of that in the back-blocks here, Dave.
They call it 'rustling.'

'Near' neighbour?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 06 May 12 - 03:33 PM

I just used my fountain pen a few minutes ago! Much easier to write legibly than with a ball-point, and you don't need to support the paper on anything.

As a near neighbour of Mr Happy (just over 2 miles), I hve no difficulty in getting proper mutton or loose vegetables.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 May 12 - 02:37 PM

Used drafting tables are easy to sell here and hard to find. Artists and hobbiests on the lookout for them, also want those large deep filing cabinets for drafting work (also desired by art collectors who have collections of prints and unmounted art).

Gnu, you didn't look in the proper places. Destroying a drafting table is unconscionable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsolete in your lifetime?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 May 12 - 02:31 PM

Hope you got the [obsolete] cane, gnu!


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