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BS: Boat race disrupted...

GUEST,Hookey Wole 15 Apr 12 - 03:04 PM
Big Al Whittle 15 Apr 12 - 09:15 AM
Big Al Whittle 15 Apr 12 - 09:10 AM
Bonzo3legs 15 Apr 12 - 07:49 AM
Big Al Whittle 15 Apr 12 - 05:31 AM
MGM·Lion 15 Apr 12 - 04:13 AM
Big Al Whittle 15 Apr 12 - 03:00 AM
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GUEST,Eliza 14 Apr 12 - 12:54 PM
Big Al Whittle 14 Apr 12 - 09:50 AM
Bonzo3legs 14 Apr 12 - 08:14 AM
GUEST,Eliza 14 Apr 12 - 08:07 AM
GUEST,petecockermouth 14 Apr 12 - 05:55 AM
Big Al Whittle 14 Apr 12 - 05:54 AM
Big Al Whittle 14 Apr 12 - 04:32 AM
GUEST,giovanni 14 Apr 12 - 03:59 AM
GUEST 14 Apr 12 - 02:07 AM
Will Fly 13 Apr 12 - 03:07 PM
GUEST,Eliza 13 Apr 12 - 01:25 PM
Big Al Whittle 13 Apr 12 - 12:58 PM
GUEST,Patsy 13 Apr 12 - 06:17 AM
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Will Fly 13 Apr 12 - 03:50 AM
MGM·Lion 13 Apr 12 - 03:31 AM
GUEST,666 13 Apr 12 - 02:51 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: GUEST,Hookey Wole
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 03:04 PM

My earlier sarcastic comments about livening up the race with paint ball guns and outboard motors
is utterly restrained compared to this genuine witness account...


http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/boat-race-kills-27-201204105104/


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 09:15 AM

I suppose i should have said, Sorry brother! the motion has been passed!


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 09:10 AM

Typical boourgeois reaction. Failing to fall in with Composite 3A -subsection 31.

I move.....!


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 07:49 AM

"No Bonzo's getting the lot. Including the sunday magazine and the free DVD."

I think not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 05:31 AM

Precisely!


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 04:13 AM

But, dashit, no gentleman reads the Daily Mail. The Times...


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 03:00 AM

No Bonzo's getting the lot. Including the sunday magazine and the free DVD.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 02:52 PM

cut it into squares and hang it on a nail


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 02:48 PM

well you wouldn't want to do it afterwards........


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 12:54 PM

Big Al, please may I do the Mail crossword first before it's...er...inserted?


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 09:50 AM

Cos its time the capitalist running dogs suffered. If it were up to me you would have a Daily Mail inserted in the rectum and be whinged at until your ears turned puce.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 08:14 AM

It only seems to be self confessed and born again working class people who worry about all this - we just have to suffer all the whinging!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 08:07 AM

Maypole dancing is generally 'sexist' too. I've never seen men skipping round prettily with their ribbons. Well, that's not strictly true. One year at the Royal Norfolk Show, some schoolchildren were doing a dear little Maypole Dance, while waiting their turn to go on was a group of Masai men. The children's teacher offered these men a ribbon each to dance in among the children and to my amazement they accepted. They were convulsed with laughter and skipped along gamely, wearing their red blankets and bead necklaces. I nearly cried with delight. That little moment, raceless, classless and ageless, will stay in my memory forever.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 05:55 AM

i'm sure some toffs can be absolutely spiffing chaps, it's just the company they keep that's the problem...in the uk just now we have a government of tory millionaires who are determinedly working hard to dismantle everything that ordinary folk have that makes life a bit more comfortable, enjoyable and secure. these are seriously ruthless yet ignorant political operators. while obviously there are many good folk in any class, it tends to be the better off who tolerate and support this thuggish behaviour. they can splash about in boats or do whatever they like until other people -or animals- get hurt, but that is what happens if you sanction the tories in power.
(by the way -this is not a party political point-i'm well aware there are plenty of 'tories' only prepared to tinker around with capitalism in all 3 major parties)


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 05:54 AM

I'd give that gang of puffs something to wave their hankies at!


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 04:32 AM

Oh there we go again. Another oppressed millionaire morris dancer getting in his rowing boat to give you their ten pen'orth....!

I've got no time for the lot of them. I'd make them all do liberal studies in a lesbian communist commune, and learn how the other half live.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: GUEST,giovanni
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 03:59 AM

From a position of an outsider, forgive me saying this, but elitist twats are part of society too, so why shouldn't they have their leisure pursuits?

Does everything have to fit the rules of "working class" in order to be allowed to exist?

g


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 02:07 AM

The Morris may be classless, but until quite recently [about 20 years I reckon] it was peculiarly sexist ~~ women need not apply. Then women's sides & mixed sides began to appear, and the skies resolutely declined to fall! Tho IIRC there was one woman in the photograph C Sharp took of one of his early sides.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Will Fly
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 03:07 PM

Be careful, Eliza - I hear they're now shooting Morris dancers who fall and break a leg...


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 01:25 PM

Exactly Patsy, they've all got a right to amuse themselves as they wish, 'posh' or not, and they'll go on doing just that for evermore. Personally, I'm dreading the Grand National, so many horses suffer and die each year it breaks my heart. I refuse to watch it or even read about it. Now Morris dancing... the passion of my life! And from what I've observed over the years, totally classless.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 12:58 PM

Yeh morris dancers.....huh!


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 06:17 AM

Some might say that the Isle of Wight Cowes week in August is for the elite and as with the boat race it will be there long after we have gone. So we can either get over it or not tune in, hopefully the Oxford team mate is on the mend.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 04:16 AM

Not really mates. I'm a fan. I think he's terrific. You and Jim, too, Will.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 04:13 AM

Morris dancers required immediately to entertain the approximately 500 people in the Thompson Airline check in queues at Malaga airport!!!!
Thankfully the BA fast bag drop took 5 minutes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Will Fly
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 03:50 AM

Blimey - are you two mates then?


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 03:31 AM

Thanks indeed, Al. Do not wish to be a bore, but feel it important to esatblish, in lite of comments above from you & others, that we may e3xtrapolate from this that a 'posh git', or one with outward aqppearance of being so, can simultaneously & nevertheless be a 'good egg'?
I really do think this a point worth establishing as a general proposition in regard to the topic of this thread, quite apart from the fact that congenial relationships chance to exist between Al & me.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: GUEST,666
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 02:51 AM

Hey, can some one bring Morris Dancing into this class argument please? Dare ya....


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 03:53 PM

A picture is worth 943 words.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 03:44 PM

Fear not. I perceive you as a good egg.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 03:17 PM

Not 'fishing for compliments', Al; but genuinely exercised as to how you perceive me, whom you happen to know & regard as a 'decent chap' [not quite sure what 'one of nature's aristocrats' signifies exactly ~~ the old phrase 'one of nature's gentlemen' used to be regarded as a somewhat patronising phrase for the use of the gentry for those of perceived lower status who had nevertheless some modicum of breeding] as different from the 'posh gits' whom you denounce thruout this thread?

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 01:19 PM

We always laugh at how self confessed and born again working class people are always "proud of their roots" - really?


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 12:52 PM

Fishing for compliments, MGM? You know, I regard you as one of nature's aristocrats - a damn decent chap.

As for the rest of this lot - if they've ever so much as hired a rowing boat at Skegnes, I'd have them clapped in the Bastille, and carted off to the Gulag.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 12:41 PM

By the way Hookey, it was rude of me not to answer your question, so please forgive me for that.

Of course you should be proud of your dad for his willingness to represent his work mates, his reasonable attitude to negotiation, and his tolerance of opposing viewpoints.

Nothing in your description of him suggests subservience, but rather a pragmatic understanding of the limits of what is possible, combined with the common sense to negotiate within those limits, and the money saved probably led later to somewhat better pay deals than would otherwise have been the case

Had the likes of Arthur Scargill possessed a modicum of those qualities, we would have avoided a year long strike which cost peoples' lives, turned brother against brother, put the last nail in the coffin of a major British industry (for which Thatcher got the blame), and resulted in a settlement identical to that which was on the table before the strike began.

One could cite a dozen or so similar incidents which put the skids under British industry.

It shoud be remembered too that the gap between rich and poor widened massively under Blair/Brown, and the education system began to drown under a sea of paperwork, targets and pointless tweaks, which took teachers away from teaching.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 12:21 PM

""Don please stop judging and dismissing all of us by your own stern personal standards.""

If you think that's what I'm doing, then you have totally misunderstood.

I have been trying to prevent others from doing the self same thing, only they are the favoured left wing majority here, and I'm the hated Tory who is reviled and dismissed by more than a few members.

I simply maintain that in days of my youth, opportunity was available to all who chose to grasp it, and that is still true today.

The basis of success however was, and still is, willingness to learn and willingness to work.

Remember that those kids who want to go to university have a much broader choice of subjects, do not have to pay anything up front, and will actually pay a lower percentage of their monthly income than my son did in repaying their loans, and earn £6000 pa more than he did before they pay anything at all.

I suspect that many thousands will never pay off the whole amount, which makes all the breast beating a bit ridiculous.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 11:57 AM

Woe and alack indeed MtheGM! I too speak an approximation to RP, but my Grandad was a Durham miner, the maternal one a penniless Irish alcoholic with ten children. My parents worked hard all their lives (and I mean nearly ALL) and spoke in the broad accents of their birthplaces. I do hope nobody thinks of me as a snob, or 'posh', I was born to working class parents and see myself as 'educated working class', nothing more, nothing less. If I lived in London I'd certainly want to watch the Boat Race. My Dad taught me to row (he was in Air-Sea Rescue for a time) and if I'd felt like it, I might have rowed for my Uni! But I am just a fellow human-being, nothing special.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 11:50 AM

A Farewell to Arms . . . all those in favour.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 11:29 AM

All this about posh gits -- I am reminded of the story Ewan MacColl tells in Journeyman: a young bejeaned couple denounced Ewan & Peggy for singing to a middle-class audience at a concert at the Town Hall at IIRC Portsmouth. Enquiries revealed that the audience was most predominantly of working-class people who considered it mannerly to put on a collar & tie for a Town Hall concert; the denouncing couple were at Oxford.

You know me too, Al. I got the impression you didn't object too strongly to me. But I happen to have been at Cambridge, & to speak more-or-less RP. Does that make me a 'posh git' to be despised on some sort of principle of some sort of equality.

O woe & alack-the-day!.....

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 09:35 AM

I bet they said all nasty things about that sufragette who chucked herself in front of the racehorse. But the basic cause she supported was a good one.

And in the same way really - this bloke is right. There is too much inequality in England. The powere elites have got us all by the throat. That's what that Spycatcher case was about.

Thatcher wanted to conceal how her supporters in the MI5 had cheated her into office - by subversive acts attacking the Wilson and Callaghan governments.

Apparently MI5 have their own little exclusive seating section at lords. Lets hope the guy goes for that, next.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 03:13 AM

My maternal grandad was a shop steward in the North Thames Gas Board but died when I was 8 years old. My paternal grandad was a publisher's yardsman (??), but we are all safely middle class now, if it's all the same to you!


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Bert
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 10:49 PM

I don't think my Grandfather was a Tory.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: GUEST,Hookey Wole
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 09:51 PM

Don I'm guessing you're a fair bit older than me
but not quite as old as my dad would be now if..

my dad was a factory worker, came out national service with glowing references,
but still ended up on the shop floor all his life.
Easily more intelligent than all his workmates and most if not all the managers and directors.
HE was a natural to be elected shop steward.
An intelligent rational reasonable trade unionist.

A moderate trade unionist.

Who knows how many thousands of £££s he saved the factory trying to avoid suicidal firebrand wildcat strikes
just for the sake of it.

Should I be a proud son of a conciliatory hero
or an ashamed son of a cowardly Bosses lackey !!!??

All I know is his 30 or 40 years loyal service to Boss & union meant fuck all
when the dimwit son of the company owner pissed the wealth away
and shocked my dad with redundancy at an age where there was no hope of re-employment
and his working life lost all meaning.

Don why can't you at least concede that you are a srong exception
and not all of our families are as sturdy as yours ?

My family never recovered.

Don please stop judging and dismissing all of us by your own stern personal standards.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 06:48 PM

""well they all look like tories to me. .....""

From your comments it would seem that anybody who doesn't walk to work carrying a snap tin full of workman's lunch, and comes home with clean face and hands looks like a Tory to you.

Breaking news Al!!

Some working class blokes even wear suits, collars and ties.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 05:26 PM

in fact there used to be all this nonsense before we got foxhunting banned. they used to say, foxhunting is classless nowadays - lots of miners do it.

And we all used to think, I wonder if thats why so many huntsmen have a torch on their head.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 05:13 PM

well they all look like tories to me. .....


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Bert
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 01:00 PM

Thanks Backwoodsman, it is good to hear that rowing is not just an upper class sport.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: gnu
Date: 10 Apr 12 - 06:43 PM

STROKE!


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 10 Apr 12 - 05:27 PM

Class: ya got it or ya don't.

"True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country."

Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 10 Apr 12 - 04:55 PM

Class is certainly no barrier to dropping babies, as the group of beggars in Cordoba ably demonstrated!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Apr 12 - 04:19 PM

That beast, the honey badger
Its realy is terribly sad yer
Didn't realise that scrote,
Is a rapist of note.
As soon as it jumps up - its had yer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Boat race disrupted...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 10 Apr 12 - 04:01 PM

Better known as the honey badger, this little creature will make you come alive. May your dream come true, Dick.


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