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BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012

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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 27 Feb 12 - 10:28 PM

No pirates will get near that ship. Either by the pirates having a clue or by the ship's owners allowing that to happen. Any pirates that do try are stupid and face certain death.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Feb 12 - 10:29 PM

Well, the P-Vine has been itchin' to go on one of these cruises and me??? Not...

Keep sinkin' these things and maybe there won't be any left...

Works for me...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Feb 12 - 08:03 AM

Another update on the Costa Allegra from the Telegraph UK: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/seychelles/9109557/Costa-cruise-liner-adrift-in-Indian-Ocean-six- (link gone sour)

It was reported last evening that one of the large fishing boats had arrived alongside the cruise liner already. Other rescue vessels should be arriving today, and if good weather prevails the cruise ship should be towed into Victoria Harbour in the Seychelles by Wednesday.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Feb 12 - 10:00 AM

Anybody want to buy some stock in an Italian cruise line? Please?


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Feb 12 - 10:48 AM

There have been several engine room fires reported in the last few years, I believe, that have required towing luxury cruise liners back to port. I do wonder if there is a major design flaw.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: EBarnacle
Date: 28 Feb 12 - 01:03 PM

In both cases, you think the captain might regret having left the pier? Costa's reputation, none to good before, is in the can.

On the earlier subject:

Typical Admiralty court hearing:

Captain, how close to shore were you?
Mumble
And were you on deck?
Mumble
Were you keeping a good lookout, as required by maritime law and custom?
Mumble
Then, why did you not see the rock and take the necessary action to avoid collision?


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Feb 12 - 02:50 PM

Rapparee, the Costa cruise line is owned by Carnival, a corportion based on American and UK capital (Trading at $45 in March last year, now at roughly $30).
The QE 2, and 50% of all cruise line business, as previously noted, are owned by the Carnival corporation.

Bobert, my wife and I both enjoyed cruises but always get an outside cabin and keep the life jackets and shark repellant handy. The outside cabins are the only ones that can get fresh air when the generators go off line. A supply of barf bags is also useful to toss your waste to the fish, since the plumbing could quit. A liner without power soon stinks worse than Uncle Louie's outhouse. And a supply of candy bars and peanuts, since most of the food on board rots.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Feb 12 - 05:03 PM

Here's an update:

"The Trevignon, a deep sea trawler which sails the oceans for tuna from the Atlantic port of Concarneau, is pulling the Costa Allegra, a vessel many times its size, on a 400-metre cable at a speed of only about six knots, the Trevignon's skipper Alain Dervout told his local French newspaper, Ouest-France.

He was joined today by two tugs and a coastguard ship, all from Seychelles, the archipelago's government said. A military aircraft was also flying in support of the operation."

So off they go at 6 knots toward the Seychelles. Anyone check the weather forecast?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Feb 12 - 05:16 PM

Which is why I don't cruise on the Big Ships.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Feb 12 - 05:54 PM

"Join the Navy, and see the World....."


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Bernard
Date: 28 Feb 12 - 06:09 PM

Apparently the MS Allegra was originally built and commissioned as a container ship in 1969, and served as such for almost twenty years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Feb 12 - 07:41 PM

According to the evening news, the Costa Allegra is now expected to arrive in Victoria Harbour on Thursday. That's assuming everything goes smoothly.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Feb 12 - 01:13 PM

Evidently the French trawler was unwilling to relinquish towing this ship to port to a pair of faster sea-going tugs (MSNBC):

"Passengers aboard a disabled cruise ship will spend 10 to 12 hours longer at sea than was needed because a French vessel pulling the ship refused to give way to tugboats, a Seychelles government minister says.

Joel Morgan told The Associated Press that the cruise ship Costa Allegra likely would have arrived in the Seychelles' main port of Mahe on Wednesday night local time if the tugs had been allowed to take over.

The cruise ship instead is not set to arrive until midmorning Thursday. Morgan, the transport minister, said the Seychelles is not happy that the financial objectives of the French vessel was put ahead of the well-being and safety of the passengers."

I suppose the French trawler expects to collect a hefty towing fee.

So it goes.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Feb 12 - 01:23 PM

Oh, and here's an update from the salvage firm that is pumping out the fuel oil from the wrecked Costa Concordia:

Tuesday, 28 February 2012

The oil removal activities recommenced on 24 February with the crane barge 'Meloria' and bunker barge 'Magic Duba' repositioned alongside the Costa Concordia just behind the stabilizer (large fin which is sticking out from the ship). Oil has been removed from three different double bottom tanks and from the double bottom sludge tank. Currently, using the hot tap method, two fuel tanks in the aft part of the vessel are in progress of being pumped.
Outstanding work includes the removal of HFO from four double bottom tanks, the fuel storage tanks located in the engine room and the removal of sanitary residues.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 29 Feb 12 - 02:03 PM

I would have done the same. There was a contract to tow. If they don't wire the money, ya keep towing until they do. And you can be damn sure the tower will stop towing before they get to port if the towee doesn't cough up the coin. I say it was Costa's call as far as when they get to port.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Feb 12 - 07:46 PM

Evidently the trawler doesn't object to the tugs helping and they are, and I also certainly have no quarrel with the trawler picking up the lion's share of the towing.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 29 Feb 12 - 10:52 PM

The tugs are under contract too. They have to be there to keep her trim and put her in port. This is not a rescue done out of the goodness of heart. All of these vessels are getting paid at this point. Otherwise, the laws of salvage would prevail... no?


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Mar 12 - 08:38 AM

gnu-

Exactly!

I am bemused to learn that this luxury cruise ship is a converted container ship. I wonder if some of the luxury cabins are converted shipping containers.

But I do wish everyone well!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: EBarnacle
Date: 01 Mar 12 - 08:43 AM

The point is that the trawler diverted from her lawful purposes in order to rescue another vessel. As such, she has the biggest whale in the pond and needs to maintain contact in order to maintain her priority for salvage fees. The tugs are contracted whereas the trawler had to divert from her normal mission.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Mar 12 - 12:33 PM

The Costa Allegra has safely docked in Victoria Harbour in the Seychelles. The passengers are being offered several compensation packages, including an extended vacation on the Seychelles. Why not. It's a lovely island with beautiful beaches.

Nice to have a happy ending to this story.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 01 Mar 12 - 03:11 PM

Yes, Charley. An inconveience to many but certainly not tragedy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Mar 12 - 07:34 AM

From Scientific American

How Will the Stranded Italian Cruise Ship Be Salvaged?


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Mar 12 - 08:08 AM

We could just hire a barge and sing "Mary Ellen Carter"...

That should do the job!

Charley Noble, Mudcat Salvage Chief


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 06 Mar 12 - 08:10 PM

Discovery channel is airing a docu on Sunday night here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Mar 12 - 07:46 AM

gnu-

Thanks for the "heads up."

I do hope they have a full range of interviews with all the "parties of interest."

This special should start as a romantic evening of dancing and dining, shall we say "a night to remember"?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Apr 12 - 09:59 AM

Here's a set of updates edited from Wikipedia:


On 22 March another 5 bodies were discovered in a remote section of the ship believed to be in the ship's hull. Details have not been revealed about the victims' sex or ages or when they can be removed from the water.

Thirty bodies have now been discovered …(in and about the wreck), with two people still missing and presumed dead, including an American couple from Minnesota, Barbara and Gerald Heil.

The defueling operation was completed on 24 March.

(Now that defueling is complete):

… removal of the wreck can begin. On 3 February, Franco Gabrielli, the head of the Civil Protection Authority, told a meeting of residents of Giglio that the ship "will be refloated and removed whole" and not cut up for scrap. Costa invited 10 firms to bid for the contract to salvage the ship. Proposed removal plans will be assessed jointly with the Civil Protection Scientific Committee. Six bids were submitted in early March, and after deciding on a proposal in March or April, Costa will award the contract to the winner. Earlier, the CEO of Costa had stated that after the breaches in the hull are sealed, the ship could be refloated, with difficulty, by giant inflatable buoys and then tugged away. The shipyard where she was built, Fincantieri's Sestri Ponente yards in Italy, is located less than 400 km (250 miles; 220 nautical miles) north of the disaster site. No word has yet been given as to if the ship will be towed back to its original yard, or if it will then be scrapped or refurbished. The recovery will be the largest ever ventured. The salvage will take from 7 to 10 months, depending on weather and sea conditions.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 10:15 PM

This update is of interest if anyone else is still following this story:

"Italy's highest court ruled Tuesday that the captain of the wrecked Costa Concordia cruise ship must remain under house arrest while he is investigated for possible criminal charges.

Prosecutors wanted Capt. Francesco Schettino to be held behind bars while the investigation continues, but his lawyers had argued he should be given his freedom.

At least 30 people died when the giant cruise liner struck rocks and turned on its side off the Italian island of Giglio on January 13.

Italy's Supreme Court, known as the Court of Cassation, met Tuesday morning in Rome to consider Schettino's house arrest at a hearing closed to the media. The five-judge panel's ruling was delivered Tuesday evening."

I imagine that Capt. Schettino is going a little crazy being under house arrest for this length of time. Some might even claim it is cruel and unusual punishment.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 06:55 AM

It's appropriate under the circumstances.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 07:56 AM

This update pretty much tidies up the identity of the bodies recovered (two bodies are still missing) from the shipwreck:

"The remains of American and German couples who died when the Costa Concordia capsized near a Tuscan island have been identified, several weeks after the bodies were found in the wreck of the cruise ship, Italian authorities said Tuesday.

The Prefect's office from the Tuscan town of Grosseto, where the bodies were brought, also announced the identification of a fifth body, that of an Italian crewman from aboard the Italian luxury liner which struck a reef off the island of Giglio on Jan. 13 and capsized. Thirty-two people died, including two people whose bodies still haven't been found.
The two U.S. victims — the only Americans who died in the accident — were identified as Barbara and Gerald Heil of White Bear Lake, Minnesota. Also identified were Christina Mathi Ganz and Norbert Josef Ganz of Muehlheim am Main of Germany, and Giuseppe Girolamo, the crew member."

May they rest in peace.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 May 12 - 04:45 PM

"Salvage work should begin this month:

Salvage work to remove the capsized Costa Concordia cruise ship from its rocky perch off Tuscany, where 32 people died, will begin (May) and is expected to take a year, the Italian owner announced Saturday.

The U.S.-owned company Titan Salvage won the bid to remove the ship...

The salvage plan, which still needs approval by Italian authorities, foresees removing the ship in one piece and towing it to an Italian port, Costa said."

Evidently the salvage workers will patch up the hull, pump out some of the water, and then attempt to right the ship with giant hawsers. Huge flotation tanks will also be strapped to the hull to help stabilize it as it's towed.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 12 May 12 - 05:58 PM

Sounds as I expected.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 May 12 - 04:12 PM

If you follow this link patiently you should find a set of photos with graphics added that show how Titan plans to salvage the Costa Concordia: Click here for PIXS!

Scroll down to "The caissons on both sides" to find link to graphics and then wait for them to load.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 28 May 12 - 04:31 PM

Charley... could you cut and paste the link please... I can't find it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 May 12 - 07:27 PM

gnu-

That's odd. It still works for me. Here it is: http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/south-florida-travel/2012/05/18/costa-cruises-to-reveal-concordia-salvage-plans-friday/

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 May 12 - 07:29 PM

Here's a summary of the salvage process from the above report:

"Operations will be divided into four basic stages:

After stabilizing the ship, a subsea platform will be built and caissons that can be filled with water will be fixed to the side of the ship that is out of the water.

Two cranes fixed to the platform will pull the ship upright, helped by the caissons, which will be filled with water

When the ship is upright, caissons will also be fixed to the other side of the hull

The caissons on both sides will then be emptied, after treating and purifying the water to protect the marine environment, and filled with air.

Once floated, the wreck will be towed to an Italian port and dealt with in accordance with the requirements of Italian authorities."

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 08:16 AM

Preliminary salvage work has been initiated. Here's the latest schedule from an email Costa's Head of Corporate Communications Cristiano De Musso provided:

Now through July 31: On-going site inspections of the ship and its position

Aug.1-31: Securing of the Costa Concordia wreck to ensure on-going safety and stability

Sept. 1-Nov. 15: Installation of caissons on left side of vessel and construction of submarine platforms

Dec. 1: Sensitive stage of salvage begins with rotation of wreck with the installation of boxes on its right side

Jan. 15: Ship to be up-righted above waterline

Jan. 31: Ship delivered to an Italian port for processing according to regulations.

April 30: Cleaning and replanting of marine flora expected to be completed.

Toasts all around (I added that!)

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 05:40 PM

Missed one...

Jan. 16: Captain to be keel-hauled


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 08:22 PM

Before they keel-haul the captain, he has to be found guilty.

Here's the best update I could find on the legal investigation:

Panel of Experts to Review Evidence

Evidence and testimony, which has been gathered since the accident, will be presented to a court-appointed panel of experts made up of two naval experts and two academics. In a process that may take several months, these experts will have the task of reconstructing what happened and apportion degrees of culpability and blame.

Besides looking at Captain Schettino, the investigation will also look at the decisions and actions of Costa's vice-president, Manfred Ursprunger, and the head of its crisis unit, Roberto Ferrarini, with whom the captain was in contact during the evacuation. The ship's first officer, Ciro Ambrosio, is also under investigation. He was second in command of the vessel at the time.

Reports by the four experts, appointed at the hearing in the Tuscan city Grosetto, are due to be presented on July 21.


So maybe in three weeks we'll know more.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnomad
Date: 06 Jul 12 - 12:08 PM

Here is an interesting claim, supposedly from the Captain.

I don't imagine he will offer it come inquiry time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Jul 12 - 01:47 PM

As the ship was about to hit rocks off the Italian coast "a divine hand surely touched my head," Captain Francesco Schettino said in a letter to his lawyers which was published by Italian media yesterday.

Which raises the question of whose "divine hand"?

Of course the captain also admitted that he had left his glasses in his cabin and needed assistance from his first officer to view what was on the screens.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Sep 12 - 09:59 PM

October 15 is the date of the next hearing. Meanwhile those who have a macabre sense of humor may enjoy the transcript of the black box that was on the ship's bridge: click here for more of the tale

"Recordings retrieved from the ship's black box reveal conversations that almost sound like a farce."

I need to update my song.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 08 Sep 12 - 04:36 PM

"Farce?" Or Commedia dell' Arte?


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 08 Sep 12 - 05:22 PM

Tragic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Sep 12 - 01:53 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 08:35 AM

Here's a well organized description by gCaptain (professional mariners) of how the salvage company plans to remove the Costa Concordia from her present perch on the ledge: click for update!

Meanwhile the captain and other defendants should be scheduled for trial in a month or so now that the preliminary hearing is over.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 09:01 AM

Having just watched the 2006 remake of "Posedon" last night I find this pretty interesting stuff...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 12:43 PM

Yes, I'd love to be there watching when they try to roll her upright.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 05:49 PM

Thanks, Charlie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 08:09 PM

I saw the Costa Concordia in June, and it was quite a sight to behold. It was on its starboard side, with a big gash on the port side that was out of the water - it looked like a big boulder was wedged into the end of the gash. I gather the ship got the gash elsewhere, and the captain grounded the ship in shallow water instead of letting it sink where the water was deep.

The ship is located just outside the busy harbor of the little island town of Giglio - the ship is bigger than the little harbor, so I'm sure the captain wasn't trying to make it there. The ship is so big and the town is so small. I thought the shipwreck would increase tourism in Giglio, but locals say quite the opposite has happened. People come and take their two photographs, and then move on. They don't like vacationing with a big shipwreck in view all the time.

But it sure was an amazing thing to see.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 08:44 PM

HOLY SHIT BATMAN! I am watching an exclusisive interview with the Cappy on CBC and a redo of the whole thing and this is truly eye opening! It's getting even more riveting.... later...


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