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BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012

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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 02:33 PM

Channel 4 has documentary scheduled for later this week, promising a minute by minute account of the incident.

more here


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 04:17 PM

""She has six Wärtsilä diesel engine""


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 04:36 PM

There ya go, Ed. What I found was woefully inadequate. Ya can't have just one.

Got a link?


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 04:57 PM

I stand corrected (error in last source)

I have two different sources, none official that there are six Wärtsilä diesel engines

The specs listed on Wikipedia show straight shafts & fixed pitch props. That data comes from: ^ RINA (2012). "Costa Concordia". Leonardo Info database. RINA Marine. Retrieved 2012-01-20.


Costa Concordia Career
Name: Costa Concordia Owner: Carnival Corporation & plc Operator: Costa Cruises Port of registry: Genoa, Italy Route: Western Mediterranean Ordered: 19 January 2004 Builder: Fincantieri Sestri Ponente, Italy Cost: €450 million (£372 million, US$570 million)[1] Yard number: 6122 Launched: 2 September 2005 Christened: 7 July 2006[2] Acquired: 30 June 2006 Maiden voyage: 14 July 2006 In service: July 2006 Out of service: 13 January 2012 Identification: Call sign: IBHD
IMO number: 9320544
MMSI no.: 247158500

Status: Capsized off Isola del Giglio, Italy Notes: [3][4] General characteristics [5] Class and type: Concordia class cruise ship Tonnage: 114,137 GT Length: LOA 290.20 m (952 ft 1 in)
LBP 247.4 m (811 ft 8 in) Beam: 35.50 m (116 ft 6 in) Draught: 8.20 m (26 ft 11 in) Depth: 14.18 m (46 ft 6 in) Decks: 17 Installed power: 6 × Wärtsilä diesel engines, 75,600 kilowatts (101,400 hp) Propulsion: Diesel-electric; two shafts (2 × 21 MW)
Two fixed pitch propellers Speed: service: 21.5 knots (39.8 km/h; 24.7 mph)
maximum: 23 knots (43 km/h; 26 mph) Capacity: 3780 passengers Crew: 1,100 Notes: [6][7]
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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 04:58 PM

Well, together we're beginning to puzzle this out.

"Channel 4" where???

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 05:02 PM

Her sister ship has six of the same engines, so I expect six is accurate:Costa Serena


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 05:04 PM

Gnu

Link to the source:

Costa Concordia


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 07:38 PM

Thanks, Ed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 08:55 PM

I've recently seen a video floating around that shows the Italian Coast Guard diving in and around the rock that the Costa Concordia sideswiped. There was some curling metal there as well as some other metal structures. Unfortunately there was no narration of text. I'll see if I can find it again under "Costa Concordia Updates."

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 09:02 PM

Found it again. It's called "Shipwrecks Log" and it's the first of three videos: click here for video!

I suppose this could be a completely unrelated video but it's described as relating to the Costa Concordia.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Jan 12 - 07:53 PM

Here's the most useful update I could find today: Click here for update!

Experts have said it would take 28 days to remove fuel from 15 tanks accounting for more than 80 per cent of all fuel on board the ship. The next job would be to target the engine room, which contains nearly 350 cubic metres of diesel, fuel and other lubricants, Mr Gabrielli said.
Only once the fuel is removed can work begin on removing the ship, either floating it in one piece or cutting it up and towing it away as a wreck. Costa has begun the process for taking bids for the recovery operation, a process that will take two months.


The oil removal operation is further postponed because of bad weather.

The estimate for how long it might take to remove the ship from its current site is 7-10 months.

Of the bodies recovered from in and around the wreck, only one male body remains unidentified. There is speculation that he might not have been on the crew or passenger lists.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jan 12 - 08:09 PM

The port side damage was the problem, right? So, it's accessible, innit? The damage to the other side shouldn't be too bad although that is conjecture. If so, I don't understand why repairs to the port side would take that long so she can be pumped out and floated. IF SO. So MANY ifs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Jan 12 - 07:32 AM

Here's one of the best interviews I've found with rescue workers, the deputy mayor of Giglio Mario Pellegrini who took one of the first lifeboats that made it into the harbor back to the ship and spent 5 hours helping coordinate further rescues: click here for story

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 11:40 AM

Here's the only worthwhile update I've been able to harvest, the story of the last person rescued, the ship's purser: click here for story

"Manrico Giampedroni, the ship's purser, waited 36 hours before being rescued from the belly of the ship. He has been released from hospital in Grosseto, Italy, where he was treated for injuries."

Lucky man!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 02 Feb 12 - 07:19 AM

Speaking of 'grounding' rather than 'holing', I'm reminded of the Herald of Free Enterprise', the ferry on which someone didn't close the bow doors before it set off. It filled with water on the vehicle deck and tipped over in shallow water. Many lives were lost, but the ship wasn't even submerged. I know nothing about marine design, but these passenger vessels look top heavy and unstable to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Feb 12 - 03:22 PM

Costa Concordia HO !

Won't be long before "salvagers" come to strip the ship of valuables, which include some 6000 works of art belonging to the ship, stocks of champagne and wine, and the jewelry, etc., left behind by passengers.
Even the mafia has divers.

The company legally owns the ship and passengers own their effects, so treasure seekers would be breaking the law but laws have never deterred them.

Associated Press- Feb. 2, 2012, Vanessa Gera.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 02 Feb 12 - 03:37 PM

Q-

Cheery news, indeed.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 02 Feb 12 - 03:50 PM

Eliza... bow doors... exactly the point of my earlier post geragding the bow visor dogs not being fully set before we entered the ice. In the case of the Harold... well, no need to think anymore about that tragedy... terrible! Just tearful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 02 Feb 12 - 03:57 PM

Gosh! I just read that the two ferries I sailed on many times were sold and scrapped in India.

Brought a tear to me eyes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 02 Feb 12 - 08:23 PM

gnu-

Sad when our old ships are towed off to Deadman's Bay.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Feb 12 - 10:20 AM

Well, here's an update on what was found by divers in the captain's cabin:

Divers found the clothing, as well as a beauty case, when they searched the private cabin of Capt Francisco Schettino, 52, who faces charges of abandoning ship and manslaughter, according to La Repubblica newspaper.

The items are believed to belong to Miss Cemortan, a 25-year-old former cruise ship dancer and tourist rep who had dinner with the captain on the evening that he accidentally steered the 950ft long luxury liner into rocks off the Tuscan island of Giglio.

Miss Cemortan reportedly told prosecutors in Grosseto, Tuscany, this week that she was "in love" with Capt Schettino, who is married with a teenage daughter.

She was interviewed for nearly six hours on Wednesday by prosecutors in a police station in Grosseto, Tuscany, amid reports that divers had found some of her belongings in Capt Francesco Schettino's cabin.

According to Italian press reports, based on interviews with prosecutors, she said she had fallen deeply for the skipper – despite him having a wife and a teenage daughter.


The link to this Telegraph story no longer seems to work.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Feb 12 - 10:28 AM

Does Italy have a "Receiver of Wreck" I wonder?


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Feb 12 - 11:25 AM

Link to Telegraph story


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 03 Feb 12 - 02:36 PM

He was gettin his rocks off when the ship struck a rock... oh Lord what a shock... he nearly tumbled over... turned nine times around... and fell into a lifeboat...

Oh, there's a song in there... not a very good one, mind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Feb 12 - 05:42 PM

gnu-

Now don't be jumping to any conclusions, as have the prosecutors, and the media.

But I would like to see a few verses.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Feb 12 - 08:34 PM

'Twas Friday night when we set sail,
And we sank to the bottom of the sea!

Maybe we could base this ballad on the one about the Vasa

Charley Noble.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 03 Feb 12 - 08:34 PM

Holy crap! I just watched the first ten minutes of The Fifth Estate on CBC. Unreal. This guy is gonna fry and so may Costa. Emails he sent to another captain about how he was gonna show up the other captain by sailing FAR closer to shore? Just unreal.

I dare say the insurance waivers will be challenged. Gross negligence surely outweighs a waiver of limitation of compensation in case of "accident", no? This was not an accident. It was caused by negligence and or incompetence. According to what just I saw on the TV and have thought all along.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Ed T
Date: 03 Feb 12 - 09:02 PM

A good documentary Gnu. It was just over, and will likely be online soon.

CBC Fifth Estate


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 09:32 AM

gnu and Ed-

The summary from the CBC Fifth Estate link certainly correlates with what we've been able to harvest on this thread.

This was not an accident but a irresponsible blunder by the captain. The only saving grace is that the consequences could have been worse.

So there's the captain on the bridge in the late evening with his girlfriend, chatting on his cellphone, with the ship tearing along at 15 knots, and he fails to make his turn in time to clear the well-known rocks off the coast of Giglio. Shit!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 09:37 AM

Channel 4 : Terror at Sea : The sinking of the Costa Concordia


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 10:20 AM

Here's another snippet update about the captain's thinking that night on the bridge:

An email was found that was sent by Schettino that promised to get closer to the shore than previous captains were able to do. A "contest" had formed to see who could sound the horn of the ship while closest to land. This was done to impress the tourist who were on the island.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 10:23 AM

Peter-

Evidently some of us cannot view this Channel 4 video without signing up. Do you have a summary?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 01:33 PM

Charley... if you can eventually access the CBC show you will be shocked. The accepted allowable distance to shore is FAR beyond where the ship struck the rock. Further than where the other Cappy had been as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 02:07 PM

According to Franco Gabrielli, head of the [Italian] Civil Protection Authority, contracts will be let in March to refloat the Concordia, and remove it as a whole.
"By that time [est. end of March] it is hoped that a Dutch company, Smit, will have been able to extract the 500,000 gallons of diesel and heavy oil in the liner's fuel tanks.
"The salvage operation is expected to take up to 10 months, meaning that the ship will spend at least a year wedged on rocks in clear sight of Giglio's main port and settlement."

Another report says a thin film of oil is spreading from the wreck's location.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk, Nick Squires, 03 Feb 2012, "Costa Concordia 'will be refloated and removed whole'."

I have not seen a report on the progress of the oil removal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 02:54 PM

Charley... the CBC vid is only available in Canada.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Ed T
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 05:45 PM

Huff


From the Huffington Post


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 05:46 PM

Charley... Fron the CBC program... she was supposed to be 5 miles out but she was 0.5 miles out, under visual control and the captain turned off the alarms which would signal they were too close to rocks that could damage the ship.

The Captain and crew did not warn the passengers... they were told everything was okay but MANY passengers actually went to the lifeboats and got in them. Within minutes, the captain was informed that the engines were gone, the lights were out... it goes on... unreal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Ed T
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 05:50 PM

Fifth Estate


Part of the program that seems to be worldwide?


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 07:17 PM

I can't seem to get the Fifth Estate video to work; maybe I'm too impatient. However, I've copied their time-line, which I'll reprocess and post later. I'm surprised they don't show a version of this in the States.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 08:21 PM

Timeline-The Fifth Estate (my remarks in parentheses)
2/3/12

MONDAY, JANUARY 9

Angelo and Danielle Pezzino of Verona, New Jersey, and Andrea and Laurence Davis of Calgary, board the Costa Concordia in Barcelona.

FRIDAY, JANUARY 13

5:45 p.m. Alan and Laurie Willits of Wingham, Ontario, board the ship in Civitavecchia, a major seaport about 80 km northwest of Rome.

7:45 p.m. Angelo and Danielle Pezzino reach the 11th deck Club Concordia restaurant for an 8 p.m. reservation.

8:30 p.m. The Pezzinos the ship Captain Francesco Schettino and his blonde dinner date enter the restaurant and take a window seat.

9:05 p.m. Captain Schettino is seen leaving the Concordia Club with Domnica Cemortan (doesn't correlate with 9:30), an off-duty ship hostess and translator, and another officer. A witness says the group had consumed at least a decanter of red wine, although Schettino says he drank no alcohol that night.

9:08 p.m. Francesca Tievoli, whose brother Antonelli Tievoli is the ship's chief steward, posts on Facebook: "In a little while the Costa Concordia will sail so close so close ..."

9:30 p.m. Angelo Pezzino sees an officer walk over to Captain Schettino's table and whisper something to him. A few minutes later the officer, the captain, and his dinner date leave the restaurant.

Approximately 9:40 p.m. Captain Schettino allegedly calls Tievoli to the bridge saying: "Antonello, come see, we are very close to your Giglio." Witnesses claim Tievoli, standing on the bridge, tells Schettino: "Careful, we are extremely close to the shore."

9:42 p.m. Captain Schettino is at the helm of the Concordia when he steers the ship into rocks off the island of Giglio while trying to perform an "inchino" or sail-past salute for a former Costa Cruises captain and chief steward Tievoli.

Domnica Cemortan is also on the bridge when the accident happens.

Alan and Laurie Willits, who are watching a magic show in the theatre, are forced out of their seats when the ship suddenly tilts toward the port side. The lights go out and people start leaving the theatre.

9:45 p.m. The ship is listing by seven degrees and some passengers begin to realize that something is wrong and phone relatives. One passenger calls his parents in Tuscany, who call the local Carabinieri, who then call the coastguard in Livorno on the Tuscan coast.

10:05 p.m. Captain Schettino calls his employers, Costa Crociere, to report a problem with the ship.

10:06 p.m. Police in Prato contact the Harbour Master's office in Livorno. They say a woman has called to say her mother is on the Corcordia, that the dining room ceiling has fallen on her and that the crew has ordered passengers to put on life jackets.

10:14 p.m. The Harbour Master contacts the Concordia asking if she is having problems. An officer replies that it's only a blackout which has been going on for 20 minutes and which they will fix shortly. The Harbour Master asks about passengers putting on life jackets, but the officer insists it's only a power outage.

10:16 p.m. Guardia di Finanza (finance police) patrol boat G104 is close to the island of Giglio and asks if it should check the Concordia.

10:17 p.m. The Harbour Master informs superiors there may be more wrong with the Concordia than the ship's officer is letting on.

10:26 p.m. Forty-four minutes after the Concordia's collision, the Harbour Master contacts Captain Schettino. Schettino says the ship is taking on water through an opening on its left side and the ship is listing. He says there are no dead or injured. The Harbour Master asks if he needs help. Schettino requests a tug boat.

10:30 p.m. The ship is listing by 20 degrees.

Mario Pellegrini, deputy mayor of Giglio, arrives at the port after receiving a phone call from the police telling him there was a ship sinking there. He decides to board the ship to help with the rescue effort.

10:34 p.m. Fifty-two minutes after the collision (doesn't correlate with 10:58), the Harbour Master contacts the Concordia, which sends a "distress" message. They are now evacuating the 3,208 passengers and 1,023 crew members from the ship.

10:39 p.m. A Guardia di Finanza patrol boat reports the ship is leaning heavily to one side.

10:44 p.m. One hour after the collision, the Guardia di Finanza reports the Concordia is grounded.

10:45 p.m. Captain Schettino denies the ship is grounded, saying it is floating and that he will try to bring her around.

10:48 p.m. The Harbour Master asks the Concordia to consider abandoning ship. Answer: 'we are considering it'.

10:58 p.m. Twenty minutes after issuing a "Mayday" signal and one hour and 16 minutes after the collision, Captain Schettino tells the Harbour Master he has given the order to abandon ship.

Shortly after 11 p.m. Deputy Mayor Pellegrini climbs aboard the ship using a rope ladder and finds pandemonium as passengers and crew rush the lifeboats.

11:23 p.m. The Concordia reports it has a large tear on its right side.

11:37 p.m. Captain Schettino says there are still 300 people on board.

Approximately 11:58 p.m. Witnesses see Captain Schettino wrapped in a blanket getting on a lifeboat.

SATURDAY, JANUARY 14

00:10 a.m. Local authorities say there is not enough room for all evacuees on Giglio and that they will begin to transfer them to the mainland.

One hour and 12 minutes after the evacuation order, Laurence and Andrea Davis cannot get into a lifeboat and decide to jump in the water and swim to shore. Laurence's wristwatch stops when it gets wet.

00:12 a.m. The Guardia di Finanza report that lifeboats can't be launched on the left side of the ship.

00:34 a.m. Captain Schettino says he is in a lifeboat and can see three people in the water.

00:36 a.m. The Guardia di Finanza can still see 70 to 80 people on board including children and the elderly.

Approximately 00:30 a.m. Angelo and Danielle Pezzino reach shore.

00:38 a.m. A rescue crew in a helicopter sees many people on board and some in the water.

00:42 a.m. Captain Schettino and all his officers are in a lifeboat. Captain De Falco, who is in charge of the Harbour Master's office, orders them to get back on board to coordinate the evacuation.

00:50 a.m. The Harbour Master's office takes control of the rescue operation.

1.04 a.m. A helicopter lowers an air force officer on board who reports 100 people are still waiting to be rescued.

1:45 a.m. An officer confirms that a rope ladder strung across the hull is safe to use.

1:46 a.m. For a second time Captain De Falco orders Captain Schettino to get back on board using the rope ladder.

2:00 a.m. Laurence and Andrea Davis reach the local Giglio island school which is being used as the rescue shelter.

2:29 a.m. Three people are reported hanging from the prow of the ship.

2:53 a.m. A Guardia di Finanza officer boards the ship using a rope ladder and says that Captain Schettino has been seen heading towards port in a lifeboat.

3:17 a.m. Carabinieri identify Captain Schettino on the quay at the port on Isola Del Giglio without detaining him.

3:44 a.m. An air force officer on board reports there are 40 to 50 people left to evacuate from the ship.

4:22 a.m. The number of passengers remaining on board falls to 30.

4:46 a.m. Six hours after the collision, the ship's evacuation is complete.

5:00 a.m. Captain Schettino calls his 80-year-old mother Rosa, telling her: "Mamma, there's been a tragedy. But don't worry; I tried to save the passengers. I won't be able to phone you for a while. Just stay calm."

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 09:10 AM

I've been wondering why the engines failed after the initial collision. Some insight is provided from The Old Salt's Blog:

"The ship blacked-out after the grounding. Was this cause or effect? The Costa Concordia is a diesel-electric powered ship which means that a loss of the electrical system also means a loss of engines and steering. This could have caused the ship to go off course and hit the rocks. Earlier this year, Cunard's Queen Mary 2, also a diesel electric ship, suffered a black-out due to a failure in the capacitors in the harmonic filters. Thus far, however, we have heard no such reports from the Costa Concordia. The black-out could have been the result of the grounding rather than contributing to it. Pending a further investigation, no one knows."

Clearly at some point back-up generators kicked in, enough to power the ship's bow thrusters and enable her to swing full around and then drift into shore and become hard aground, while repowering the lights.

Charley Noble

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 02:43 PM

That Old Salt clearly muddies the waters in that statement. That is, it makes no sense to me. No sense in picking it apart, tho.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 07:49 PM

gnu-

Could you elaborate or is it all too speculative? We know that the ship after the initial collision had a blackout for some period of time and that there was an associated loss of engine power.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 08:02 PM

Charley... you just answered your own question, MAYBE. He said, "The Costa Concordia is a diesel-electric powered ship which means that a loss of the electrical system also means a loss of engines and steering. This could have caused the ship to go off course and hit the rocks."

Does that make any sense to you? There has never been any report of a power failure prior to the ship hitting the rocks... was there?


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 08:28 PM

DescriptionCosta Concordia is 290.20 metres (952 ft 1 in) long, with a beam of 35.50 metres (116 ft 6 in) and a draught of 8.20 metres (26 ft 11 in). She is equipped with a diesel-electric propulsion with six 12-cylinder Wärtsilä 12V46C[14] four-stroke medium-speed diesel generating sets with a combined output of 75,600 kilowatts (101,400 hp) and two 21 MW electric motors connected to fixed-pitch propellers.[15] Her service speed is 19.6 knots (36.3 km/h; 22.6 mph),[9] but during sea trials she could achieve a speed of 23 knots (43 km/h; 26 mph).

(WIKI Updated their info.)

Other info, not sure if was linked before:Loss of Electrical Power


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 08:45 PM

common design fault ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 09:37 PM

Oh my. Could there have been a power failure BEFORE hitting the rocks? Why has this never surfaced before?

Smoke and mirrors. If she had been 5 miles off where she should have been none of this would have happened. Power failure or otherwise.

Sorry... I am NO expert or even an avid buff in these matters. Just a guy who worked with similar ships and finds this story compelling.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 10:28 PM

gnu-

Nothing wrong with working on this puzzle. I haven't the engineering skills to figure out what was mechanically happened aboard this ship but I do keep track of other clues.

Evidently Capt. Schettino didn't want to be distracted by any alarms while he was doing his closest encounter with Giglio; he turned off all the automatic warning systems and was navigating by sight alone. Judging distance at night is always more challenging, especially when you're talking to your old mentor on your cell phone at the time. There ought to be a law against a captain using a cell phone while at the helm, during the night, of a major luxury liner.

Sure hate to be judgmental but even Schettino has been quoted as saying he does not expect to ever command a ship again. I wonder if the Moldovan dancer Domnica Cemortan, who shared his cabin, will still stick with him if he's shipless?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 08:20 AM

Oh, and here's an update on the Molovan dancer headlined "Mystery over Captain's lover deepens": Click here for story!

Oh, damn, the link has grown stale. Here's the juicy bits:

Domnica Cemortan, 25, reportedly told investigators last week that she was "in love" with Capt Francesco Schettino, as it emerged that search and rescue divers had found her lingerie, clothing and make-up bag in his cabin.

But in an interview with Italian television, her aunt insisted that there was no romantic relationship between the two.

"Was my niece Schettino's lover? I really think not. A lot of things in this whole business have been misinterpreted," said Lucica Cemortan Gurina.
"Show me a passenger who took a photo of the two of them caressing, embracing or kissing. I don't believe there is one."

She said her niece certainly "admired" Capt Schettino, whom she met when she worked on the Costa Concordia as a crew member.

"Maybe Domnica saw something in him that she wasn't able to find in others, namely friendship."

Mrs Gurina said her niece had been badly affected by the death of her father, who drowned in 1996.

Ms Cemortan was interviewed for nearly six hours last week by prosecutors in a police station in Grosseto, Tuscany, where the investigation into the January 13 accident is based.


You can't write fiction this bad and get it published!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 08:45 AM

Here is a report of Costa Europa hitting a quay in Egypt.
3 crew died.



Among the passengers on board the Costa Europa in 2010 when the accident occurred were Chris and Ron Cleal from Guernsey.

They immediately ran onto the deck where they were met by crew soaked to the waist.

"They were speaking about it being similar to the Titanic - opening bulkhead doors and being hit by a six foot wall of water," Mr Cleal recalls.

The ship had begun to list after hitting the quay and Mr Cleal says when he asked one of the crew whether he should get his life jacket, he was told not to, and that the incident was an exercise.

The Cleals say it took an hour for the captain to inform passengers of what had happened.

During this period Mrs Cleal said she was "absolutely petrified - the crew were all coming up absolutely soaking wet".

"It was obvious that there was a big problem down below," she told the BBC.

It took five hours for the Cleals to be taken off the vessel. During that time they say the only crew they saw were entertainment personnel.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16823955


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