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BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...

Don Firth 27 Sep 11 - 02:59 PM
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Bobert 27 Sep 11 - 01:30 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Sep 11 - 12:46 PM
Stringsinger 27 Sep 11 - 12:01 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 02:59 PM

Oh, Hell! 700!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 01:59 PM

"We've been over this before...matter of fact, I'm the one who first introduced 'ALEC' and exposed them into the forum!.."

Yes, we HAVE been over this before. But you were hardly the one who "exposed then into the forum." Those of us who keep up with things have been aware of ALEC, actually, since its inception in the mid-1970s. Just another Right-Wing think-tank, most people thought. But it made it back into the news in July of this year, first by The Nation magazine, then by NPR's Terry Gross.

Sorry, GfS. You and Paul Revere have little in common (unless it's the Paul Revere that Sarah Palin had in mind).

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 01:30 PM

The Affordable Care Act was not rammed down anyone throats, GfinS... Obama went to the Republican caucus in the very beginning and asked them for their ideas and asked them to be partners in drawing up the legislation...

The Republicans, in turn, told Obama essentially to go screw himself... They said their Number One goal was to defeat him in 2012 and since then everything has been 100% about just that... The Repubs have stripped him of the tools that any responsible president needs to keep the recovery going which is $$$... Every leading economist out there says that the federal government needs to get cash into this economy... Only the flat-earth/Herbert Hoover economists think we should be decreasing the deficit in this economy... It's kinda like the person who has just lost his or her job deciding that now is the best time to pay off those credit card bills... With what???

This is really the crux of the Republican push... Strip Obama of the one tool that will create jobs and then blame it on him???

And please spare us the MythTeaology about cutting taxes and regs will create jobs... We cut taxes in 2002 and lost 8,000,000 jobs... Regs are just more MythTeaology... Obama asked the Chamber of Commerce to submit a list of regs that they thought were killing jobs and the Chamber did just that and the Obama administration has cut out some regs... But bottom line, the list wasn't all that long to begin with... So regs is just another MythTeaology boogie-man...

BTW, GfinS, if you have any ideas on how to put people back to work that deals with reality, I'd sure like to hear them...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 12:46 PM

We've been over this before...matter of fact, I'm the one who first introduced 'ALEC' and exposed them into the forum!..in response to even further Bobert's bitching about the Tea Party. He didn't even know about them! (go back and check yourself..it's there!)

As to your other points, they are just argumentative and have very little logic behind them. Like most 'lib-tard' issues they are emotionally driven...and why I use 'lib-tard' over 'liberal' is because one is an idea or a set of ideas, the other is the fanatical loony side, off the deep end!

'Monopoly'?...try majority..which seems to be overlooked in this administration..(though it also applies to other administrations as well).
Taxes?...Hey you want to pay more?..Go ahead, whip out your checkbook!...As so far as misappropriating them, not just the 'unfunded' wars, but bailouts, and sleazy 'green' projects, and paying the Fed for all the interest on borrowed fiat money the are 'printing' and sending it to foreign countries, WITHOUT the consent or oversight of where its going, or what its being used for.(You'd have to scroll back into this thread to watch the actual hearings, that Congressmen were grilling the Fed's chairman, and hierarchy about that very issue, and the Fed's people stonewalled, and REFUSED to answer those questions....ABOUT SPENDING OUR MONEY, WITHOUT US BEING REPRESENTED, IN ANY WAY!!)

"At this point, Democrats are afraid of Republicans in Congress..."
Well they should be, after the abuse of both houses and the President after ramming Obama care down their throats, and circumventing due process, that had to be done with 'special deals' and waivers for cronies and votes!..especially, when the majority of the people(oh yeah, remember them?), were opposed to it, and Congress wasn't even allowed to read the fucking thing!.."So we can see what's in it"-Pelosi.
You bet, the Democrats are shaking in their boots!...Look what happened in the last mid-term elections!...and Obama's approval rating is falling like a rock...even with those who voted for him!!~!
Do I think the Tea Party is the answer?..NO!..but something was going to backlash, sooner or later, with the abuse of power by BOTH parties!
....and its going to get a lot worse, as the American public watches the soap opera antics, and gets screwed in the meantime!
Now Obama is campaigning for his jobs bill...people flat out, and across the board don't trust him, anymore!!..and you CAN'T see why?????!!!
Did he undo any of the executive mandates set forth by Bush?...NO!..Just like I said during the elections!..Why are you political partisan maniacs so blind to see that??

You want your party backed, just because of the fraudulent lies they sold you during their campaigns, and actually thought they meant ANY of it!!!...and that goes for BOTH corrupted parties!
You think Obama isn't pandering to his banker buddies, and Wall Street??...Why is Geithner there then...and he was a tax cheat..you remember those taxes you think are so much in favor by us peons...but the Secretary of the Treasury was cheating on them....you know, that crony son of a bitch from the IMF?????
Now you tell me, just WHO is delusional????????????
Strings, with all due respect..I think a lot of people of both parties are sincere, but the leadership of both of them are NOT in control, and not representing the WILL, nor the well being of the constituents....since when????

Otherwise, would we be in the fix we're in now???..and to correct it, must seem 'radical', at this point!..Again, is the Tea Party the path?..Not necessarily, but the conduct of both corrupted parties has paved a freeway to the destruction of this country!..I think you could possibly agree to that......but then, "If a man cheats you once, shame on him..If he cheats you twice, shame on you!!!"

Enough of this partisan blathering drivel, and let's get a little
real, OK?
Regards Anyway,
GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Stringsinger
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 12:01 PM

Gfs, looks like I pushed a button.

"Maybe that is an issue in YOUR head, that you project that everybody else must have...(ever think of that?)"

Actually I have examined what you say but I notice too much evidence to the contrary to deny racism; I see it in many heads.



"Maybe he is worse, BECAUSE he has carried Bush's policies forward, plus added his own, AND neglected moving in the right direction, because of both of them! Maybe they both are part of the same destructive agenda, but to appease the unsuspecting, they appear to have differing agendas.....(ever think of that?)"

I have noticed that Obama is unformed as to where he stands and is beholden to Wall Street and Harvard elites. I don't think Obama and Bush agree on everything. There is still some space between the ideologies of the two. I don't approve of Obama's war mongering, however, but he is different from Bush. I think that the DOJ should investigate Bush's war crimes. Obama is a victim of a kind of reactionary racism that takes its form in undue criticism of his policies without a rational criticism about them by white people in Congress, mainly Republican.


"According to whose editing, censoring, and DE-classification, and final authorization, and for what reason????...(ever think about that?)"

You can make an argument for or against any book or account, you are left with only your own assessment as to the veracity of the book. I don't rely on any one else's editing, censoring and de-classification as to the value of the book but I try to cross reference everything I read and come to my own conclusions.

As to the well-to-do, yes there is something wrong with them when working and middle class people are being exploited by them.

White people have had a monopoly on policy decisions in government for too long a time which is a form of racism. For example, the resistance by white politicians in Washington and the Southern States to Civil Rights for Black People and this still goes on with the machinations of Ron Paul.

As to tax hating, taxes are necessary for the functioning of civil society. They should be honored when not misappropriated for meaningless wars.

At this point, Democrats are afraid of Republicans in Congress because they are so crazy, but it is crazier to capitulate to Republicans. Wall Street sees the craziness in the Tea Party as well and if the TP's agenda were to become in effect, it would rock the Wall Street boat and they know it.

What is happening today to give a unanimity to Republican's attempt to take over the government with their authoritarian ideas is embodied in a group called ALEC, the American Legislative Exchange Council, which is lobbying Congress and various state governors to outlaw unions, promote election fraud, become autocratic replacing democratic institutions with heavy-handed political bullying. This ALEC is financed by the Koch Brothers and Dick Armey who were responsible for the rise of the Tea Party as a pseudo-populist reactive group.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 04:36 AM

Stringsinger: "As to the question of racism, how could this not be an issue? The stupidest thing to do is to deny it...."

Maybe that is an issue in YOUR head, that you project that everybody else must have...(ever think of that?)



Strings: "...Obama is not as destructive as Bush was but has unfortunately carried Bush's policies forward..."

Maybe he is worse, BECAUSE he has carried Bush's policies forward, plus added his own, AND neglected moving in the right direction, because of both of them! Maybe they both are part of the same destructive agenda, but to appease the unsuspecting, they appear to have differing agendas.....(ever think of that?)



Strings: "Suskind's book gives a good insight into what went on during Obama's first years."


According to whose editing, censoring, and DE-classification, and final authorization, and for what reason????...(ever think about that?)

..........
As to Bobert's: "It is packed with well-to-do, white, tax-hating Republicans who have moved there to retire... That is reality... Florida's demographics isn't like any other state in the country..."


Bobbie: "It is packed with well-to-do,...."

Something WRONG about that?

....... "white",

Something wrong about that??....

....."tax-hating"

Most people do, something wrong about that?....

...."Republicans"

Oh, in reality, they are just another stupid group, like Democrats, but neither side see it that way..(see, they're the same).

..."who have moved there to retire"

GOD FORBID!! Those nasty pesky rascals!..I bet they're too old as well, to be much of a riotous threat!..(Shit, even your ninety year old Mom said she went to one of their conventions and managed, with her walker, to escape alive!!!..It must have been quite a chaotic, violent affair, complete with mayhem galore!!!)

"That is reality"... Florida's demographics isn't like any other state in the country"

Neither is Arizona's to Oregon's!..or Colorado's to California's...or New York to Utah's...Rhode Islands to Texas......Kansas to Massachusetts....Arkansas to Alaska.....Hawaii's to New Jersey's...Tennessee's to Nevada's...and so on and so forth....

BTW, were you trying to make a point???...or just venting???

Jeez, those lib-tards get so whooped up about nothing!!!

Wait till you see whats REALLY coming down!!!

I'll pull this one up later, I assure you!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Stringsinger
Date: 26 Sep 11 - 10:50 AM

Don has the right idea in quoting Lakoff. More people should read what he has to say. "Moral Politics", "Don't Think of an Elephant", they're all easily found on search engines.

Madeleine Murray O'Hare doesn't typify the views of many atheists, today. As to the nature of what a true Christian is, this is thread creep, but to stay on subject,
the Tea Party, as Don has so rightly pointed out, is hell-bent on crude authoritarian behavior, bullying, yelling and ignoring useful facts imposing their ugly belief systems on everyone else.

Ayn Rand is a disturbed sociopathic personality reminiscent of Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan, and Scott Walker which is not just ideological but behavioral.

As to the question of racism, how could this not be an issue? The stupidest thing to do is to deny it. Obama is not as destructive as Bush was but has unfortunately carried Bush's policies forward. Suskind's book gives a good insight into what went on during Obama's first years.

Obama may not be ideal president but when you compare his qualifications to Perry, Bachmann, Mitt, or W. I think the contrast is made effectively.

Obama remains an educated thinking man unlike the ignorant Three that move to the top of the Tea Party. To say otherwise is to claim membership in a fool's club.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Sep 11 - 09:45 AM

Guess you don't know Florida like I do, GfinS... It is packed with well-to-do, white, tax-hating Republicans who have moved there to retire... That is reality... Florida's demographics isn't like any other state in the country...

This ain't about partisanship on my part... It's about reality... These people ain't up to going to town meetings a roughing other people up, or threatening to shoot people with whom they disagree or yell "hang 'um" at Palin rallies in reference to a black man...

Here's what I will bet you... Cain will not win another straw poll or primary... That will be my proof that I am indeed a student of American politics and that if you're looking for "fucking crazy" all you need to do is check out the nearest mirror...

BTW, you oughta sweep up all those loose screws around your feet... I'd hate to see one go thru the bottom of fuzzy pink slippers and you spending the day at the Urgent Care Unit but if that occurs get them to put them back in your head where they belong...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Sep 11 - 09:32 AM

Bobert: "No, GfinS... If anything, it reinforces my feelings that these people are racists... No, we wouldn't expect that of Floridian Repubs, however, who tend to be rich white people... These folks are more just purer Repub, and less Tea Party, than the other states."


This has GOT TO BE one of the stupidest posts ever to grace the Mudcat Forum!

Maybe we should all move to Florida and be rich white folks...who vote for black people, and still be called racists!

See folks, this is exactly why political party partisanship, makes people absolutely fucking crazy!

I guess all the Democrats and independents who voted for Obama in '08, who say they won't vote for him again in 2012 all live in Florida, and are rich white racists as well!

Methinks your brain just popped its springs and the screws all fell out!...
....but who could tell?.....You're 'The Bobert'!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 08:30 PM

No, GfinS... If anything, it reinforces my feelings that these people are racists... No, we wouldn't expect that of Floridian Repubs, however, who tend to be rich white people... These folks are more just purer Repub, and less Tea Party, than the other states...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 07:55 PM

Hey, maybe!    Just maybe!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 04:14 PM

Stringsinger definitely has a clear view of the situation the country is in.

Regarding the Tea Party, religious fundamentalism, and Ayn Rand:

Even though, to any rational person, there is a blatant, head-butting contradiction between the religious fundamentalism that the Tea Party folks embrace and their acceptance of Ayn Rand's ideas of how the country should be run, this kind of contradiction actually permeates the thinking of these people. And this, in itself, explains a lot about them.

Christian fundamentalists, when it comes down to it, are not Christian at all. Claiming that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, they pick and choose the verses that support the view of life that they favor. What George Lakoff calls the "strict father" cultural principle:   father lays down the rules, and woe be to the child who transgresses or disobeys. "Thou shalt not—" with dire punishments to the transgressor. Stick and carrot. The carrot, of course, is everlasting life, blissfully drifting around on a pink cloud, playing a harp, and praising God (the stern Father – not the endearing "Daddy"). The stick? The threat of Eternal Hellfire if you disobey! Or even question!

An acquaintance of mine, who "defected" from a fundamentalist church after he sat down with his Bible and actually read it, rather than merely looking up selected, out of context verses assigned by his minister, commented about the church he had just left, "In addition to trying to control everybody's lives and being angry and vengeful toward anyone of falls short of their expectations rather than being understanding and forgiving as Jesus says one should be, their minds are so selfishly set on their own personal salvation and getting to heaven that, instead of being good Christians in this life, they are no earthly good whatever!"

This, as contrasted with Lakoff's "nurturing parent," the parent or parents who raise a child with love rather than fear and do their best to help their children achieve their own best potential. And to be loving and giving. And forgiving!

Simplistically put, the Christian fundamentalist's God is the angry, lightning-bolt hurling Patriarch of the Old Testament.

What my acquaintance did was to read much of the New Testament—greatly neglected in his church, save for the Book of Revelation—especially the Gospels, seeking out what Jesus (presumably) actually said (much neglected by his church). And THIS, to him, was a revelation. "The Beatitudes" (Matthew 5:3-12) were never mentioned in his church, nor was the passage in Matthew 25:35-40 ever talked about. These passages, to many liberal, open Christian churches, are the very (if I may use the word in this context) CRUX of genuine Christian belief.

Now.

Here are Ayn Rand's political ethics in her own words:
"Men must deal with one another as traders, giving value for value, by free, mutual consent to mutual benefit. The only social system that bars physical force from human relationships is laissez-faire capitalism. Capitalism is a system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which the only function of the government is to protect individual rights, i.e., to protect men from those who initiate the use of physical force. Objectivism rejects any form of collectivism, such as fascism or socialism, and it also rejects the current 'mixed economy' notion that the government should regulate business and the economy in general, nor should it redistribute wealth."

"When I say 'capitalism,' I mean a pure, uncontrolled, unregulated laissez-faire capitalism – with a separation of economics, in the same way and for the same reasons as a separation of state and church."
Ayn Rand on environmentalism:
"From the most primitive cultures to the most advanced civilizations, man has had to manufacture things; his well-being depends on his success at production. The lowest human tribe cannot survive without that alleged source of pollution: fire. It is not merely symbolic that fire was the property of the gods which Prometheus brought to man. The ecologists are the new vultures swarming to extinguish that fire."
She goes on to say,
"Environmentalists should get down on their knees before the dirtiest smokestack they can find and give thanks for the benefits that the Industrial Revolution has brought to them!"
(Give thanks to who or what, I wonder.)

Ayn Rand categorically rejected any idea of God or a Creator. In fact, she was downright hostile to the idea of religion, exceeded only in her atheistic zeal by Madeline Murray O'Hare.

So--How does the Tea Party's embracing of Ayn Rand's philosophy, despite her militant atheism, square with their "Christian" fundamentalism?

It doesn't. But they either will not, or are incapable of, acknowledging that fact.

Just like their cherry-picking of religious ideas in the Bible. They can splinter their minds and adopt only what suits them, AND totally ignore the contradictions that are obvious to any rational person who takes a good look at them.

This, in itself, is a symptom of minds that are irrational.

Don Firth

P. S.   No, GfS, Obama does not come anywhere near the level of "shittiness" that Georgie Porgie did. It was W, who will probably go down as one of the "shittiest" (to use your incisive, if juvenile term) presidents in American history. He took the budget surplus he inherited from the Clinton administration, pissed it all away, and managed to get the country into the deepest hole it's been in since the Great Depression.

The only problem with Obama is that he is not doing ALL of the things he could do to dig us out of the hole faster. Part of that problem is that the Right Wingers in Congress won't let him do what is necessary—and they're blocking his efforts out of sheer, mindless spite.

DO try to reason with your brain (if any) rather than your spleen.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 02:31 PM

Anybody following the Wall Street protests? The kids have been at it for a week. I love those little fuc#ers. At last, people who have seen the enemy for what it is. While the talk goes on here, the walk goes on there.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 01:26 PM

Stringsinger: "...No one could be shittier than W as a president..."

Except Obama. They were BOTH disasters!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Stringsinger
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 12:42 PM

Making a point before I leave, the Tea Party is based on religious reaction, not economics (as witnessed by the ignoring of facts) and this is why they support Bachmann and Perry who belong to religious fundamentalist organizations such as Perry does with the New Apostolic Reformation. Ayn Rand was a self-avowed atheist and her views work in opposition to the religious bias of the Tea Party. This creates a schizoid ideology within the framework of the Tea Party.

Obama is not completely formed yet. No one could be shittier than W as a president. His administration bankrupted the U.S., corrupted the Congress and the Supreme Court, killed many innocents in Iraq and unfortunately Obama bought into some of this. Obama didn't play the race card to get elected. People wanted something better than Bush and they saw hope in Obama's intelligence and education. The "race card" accusers have to examine their own racism in their remarks. This is analogous to the term "political correct" which is used by those who defend their reactionary positions as if they were objective.

Obama has made some serious errors, continuation of the war in Afghanistan, executing Osama bin Laden without a trial, allowing his financial advisors to run roughshod over him as shown in Suskind's latest book, keeping Guantanamo open, not allowing the DOJ to investigate the Bush war crimes, diluting health care by taking single-payer off the table, and by compromising too much when dealing with Tea Party Republicans. This last point may be changing.

"It ain't over t'il it's over" and we might see a different Obama if we're lucky. Otherwise, if the Republicans get in, we will be consigned to a shitty administration for another four years.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 11:32 AM

LMAO!!...
Herman Cain won the Florida straw poll!..by a landslide!!

So, Bobert, there goes your 'Tea Party and them being racist theory'!!
So, now you'll probably have to shift your hate blather from Palin/Bachmann to Cain...but watch out!!...Remember all those accusations you made about everyone who criticized Obama??...and you labeled them racist bigots??!!!
Shoe is on the other foot!

..and actually as I've posted several times, Obama's problem wasn't that he was 'black'...he's just a shitty President, who played the race card to the 'left' for his advantage...and the silly suckers went for it!!!

Have a Beautiful day!
GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Sep 11 - 08:39 PM

What worries me is that intelligent people think that everyone else is, at the very least, as intelligent equal to that of a box of animal crackers...

I am beginning to be very concerned that the intelligent people have grossly overestimated here...

Aldoux Huxley may have hit the nail on the head in "Brave New World" in that we may have sufficiently dumbed down our population that we do, indeed, have an entire EPSILON NATION in our midst... These people really have no use for facts... They are ready and willing yell "Hang 'um" at political rallies in reference to Barack Obama... They threaten to shoot people who their masters want shot... They love any anti-government conspiracy theory...

Ya' know, if we don't get back to education then this nation is going to be taken over by EPSILON NATION and their masters (Koch brothers, Dick Armey, etc...)

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Sep 11 - 05:29 PM

Now, that IS lame! Kinda like "Same to you and make that double! Nyah nyah nyah!!"

Very school yard.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: saulgoldie
Date: 24 Sep 11 - 10:57 AM

Irrespective the thread or the intimation, Don. That link is just plain HI-larious!

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Sep 11 - 10:53 AM

Pronunciation:/ˈpɒlɪtɪks/
concerned with power, status, etc. within an organization, rather than with matters of principle.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Sep 11 - 10:34 AM

Don, Thank you for giving us a link to your mentor!
Now it is clear how you became so astute!
Smirk..and a wink.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Sep 11 - 02:10 AM

Visual aid for the just above.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 24 Sep 11 - 02:09 AM

Stringsinger,

If you think it's dead, stop reviving it.

Your history is to make a remark and leave. OK. But make a point before you leave. I respect what you did, but I want something to respect now.

Three times you insulted me and I said nothing because I revered your history and courage. This is not number four. However, at some point I will question what you say, and that point is real soon.

BM


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Sep 11 - 01:40 AM

Bobert: "Regardless of LBJ's Southern and, yes, even racist past, it was this man who pushed the Civil Rights Act thru...
Do you deny that??? A yes or no will do.."

Yes he did..for what reasons, though, are still open for debate...and I hardly give a rat's ass!..He was still a crooked, and shitty President.

So what?

Songwronger: ""Tainting the tea party movement with the charge of racism is proving to be an effective strategy for Democrats. There is no evidence that tea party adherents are any more racist than other Republicans, and indeed many other Americans. But getting them to spend their time purging their ranks and having candidates distance themselves should help Democrats win in November. Having one's opponent rebut charges of racism is far better than discussing joblessness."

You MUST have noticed, that in this forum, the left is using the same old worn out tactic...It really does keep them from an honest dialogue about the economy, Obama's failed policies, his over reaching his legitimate Presidential powers, his corrupt interaction with the globalist bankers....and the fact, that he is completely inept, and relies on his glib tongue, and reading the teleprompter, on his rehearsed lies.
I have not found ANY evidence that there is one honest bone within him!.....but because he is a Democrat(in name only), the more simple minded Democrats, will make an incredible effort to make excuses for him...even though his closest cronies are against the very things that 'normal' Democrats say they oppose!!!..Like the bankers, war, Wall Street, BP, (and other oil companies), unemployment vs. jobs, the Federal Reserve, 'CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN', and a different course of policies, like his predecessor, Bush.
This guy is a scamming con artist, if ever there was one! He's been more destructive to America, than even the terrorists!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Sep 11 - 12:07 AM

Oh really, songwriter???

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck it a duck...

The Tea Party is made up of hodge-podge of government haters... The KKK were government haters... The Minutemen were government haters... The CSA were government haters...

If you bed down with fleas expect to get bit...

Any real student of 20th century America and especially Jim Crow, knows all about these people...

No, not their owners... Their owners are big shot corportists who use these people as cannon fodder or brown shirts depending on what is needed...

The Tea Party is made up of fools, pawns and dupes of the Koch brothers and a mix of other folks who want to rip us off or pollute our air or water...

It's very simple...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 11:53 PM

Hello Sawzaw!..Nice to see you on again! Have you been keeping up on this thread?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Songwronger
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 11:50 PM

This is disturbing:

Former U.S. Commission on Civil Rights Chairman Mary Frances Berry, a long-time prominent liberal activist, has admitted in an interview with Politico that the left is trying to smear the tea party movement as "racist" for strategic reasons, not out of genuine concern that the movement is itself racist.

"Tainting the tea party movement with the charge of racism is proving to be an effective strategy for Democrats. There is no evidence that tea party adherents are any more racist than other Republicans, and indeed many other Americans. But getting them to spend their time purging their ranks and having candidates distance themselves should help Democrats win in November. Having one's opponent rebut charges of racism is far better than discussing joblessness."

http://dailybail.com/home/busted-liberals-admit-racism-charges-against-tea-parties-a-t.html


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 09:46 PM

No, it doesn't say it all, Saws...

LBJ was a crass man who had a way with words (many times in a bad way) but he also said that pushing the Civil Rights Act would kill his party for 20 years... Have you ever heard the Johnson tapes and his conversations with Dr. King??? I doubt it... BTW, I have heard them...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 09:24 PM

That said it all then, but it don't say it all now.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 09:20 PM

"I'll have those ni****rs voting Democratic for the next 200 years." LBJ

That says it all


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 08:41 PM

Two things, GfinS, that you miss...

Regardless of LBJ's Southern and, yes, even racist past, it was this man who pushed the Civil Rights Act thru...

Do you deny that??? A yes or no will do...

Regardless of Ayn Rand's atheism, it isn't her views on religion that make her the darling of the today's right wing...

Do you deny that??? A yes or no will do...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 08:36 PM

GfS:

Wise ass.

Now, think 'gee ma, a male'.


Then, get in touch.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 07:04 PM

999, "666"??..your 'wits and balls' appear to have gone head over heels!..What happened?...You found a Dreamy lass??

Smirk!
GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 07:01 PM

The song is "Dream On' by Greg Brown....click on the 'Play Icon'

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 06:49 PM

I just noticed my last post was number 666.

Let that be a warning to anyone who intends to fu#k with me. lol


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 06:47 PM

GfS:

irishancestry

Make a note of that, SVP.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 05:49 PM

Stringsinger: ".....The schizophrenic nod to atheist Ayn Rand is ignored by the Tea Party who may like the elitist role played by the super-wealthy but have not come to terms with Rand's view of their religion. Are Paul Ryan, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Scott Walker, Karl Rove and Grover Norquist atheists and if so, would they admit it? (I don't think so!)"

Gosh, wasn't Obama touting that he went to Rev. Wright's Christian church???? That didn't seem to bother you....even though most Americans think he is really Muslim....So, it sounds like you just have a 'beef' with Christianity, or God, ..or even yourself.
What's your bottom line???

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Stringsinger
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 05:10 PM

The unifying raison de'etre is Old Time Religion, not taxes, not ideology but a return to a mythical "Christianized" America, using the false claims about the Founding Fathers who were mostly Deists. The schizophrenic nod to atheist Ayn Rand is ignored by the Tea Party who may like the elitist role played by the super-wealthy but have not come to terms with Rand's view of their religion. Are Paul Ryan, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Scott Walker, Karl Rove and Grover Norquist atheists and if so, would they admit it? (I don't think so!)

Perry is the principal figurehead for this movement followed by Bachmann and this is the reason that the Mormon Romney is the enemy although now as Perry tanks for his poor performance at the Republican debates in Florida, the GOP has nowhere to turn except to the "infidel" Romney. Will Tea Partiers stay home on election day? Will that matter?

Unless a "dark horse" enters the race, Romney is it. Can Obama nail him?

Here's the elephant in the room, elections are controlled throughout the country by Republican Governors almost ensuring election frauds in many states and these will be contested, despite the Supreme Court's proclamation that a "Bush v. Gore" will not be revisited. You know how SCOTUS will vote. Pennsylvania has already planned to throw it's delegates to Republicans, a model for elections in other states. Doesn't sound too democratic although they say it's legal.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 04:36 PM

ROFLMAO!!....pretty soon a whole crowd will be laughing!!

Johnson BLOCKED civil rights legislation under Eisenhower!
Johnson, even in Texas, was known as a horse's ass!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 10:37 AM

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 09:07 AM

Actually, as repulsive a man as Lyndon was, as president he was able to get things done that John Kennedy couldn't... John Kennedy never would have gotten the Civil Rights Act true Congress... It took a Southerner to do it... But not just any Southerner... Johnson had personal relationships with just about everyone "up on the hill" and the "Johnson tapes" reveal just how Lydon went about twisting folks arms and cajoling them to do stuff that they really didn't want to do... He deserves our respect for doing that... He also deserves out respect for putting policy over party because he said that in passing the Civil Rights Act he would set his party back 2 decades...

Missed on that one... Here we are into the 5th decade of Southerners still punishing the Democrats for civil rights...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 02:13 AM

No, not at all.
Hey just look it up. What I posted was TRUE.

"God help this country, if Lyndon ever becomes President" -John Kennedy speaking of his then Vice President.

Guest, 999, I haven't heard back from our 'mutual friend' (as you said, but not exactly sure who you meant) to see if was able to receive the attachments and open them successfully. The ones I sent him were older ones, but still pretty good. The new stuff is killer!.....and should soon be on iTunes.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 01:31 AM

Amd you know this because you were one of them, I take it?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 12:17 AM

Don: "...Ya know, GfS, you really need to look beyond the obvious."

Ya know, Don, you might really even consider the obvious...(that way you might not have to project your bullshit into other people).

...and YES, McNamara Did have a policy of moving kids busted for pot, and other things into '1-A'...also there was a lot of kids who were offered to go to Vietnam, instead of jail, for certain busts...and if you don't 'recall' that, then keep your 'education' to yourself, and don't even try 'educating' me..or frankly anyone. You just make shit up!..and deny the truth.

save it!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 04:38 PM

Just to set the record straight, GfS.

During the Sixties, Robert McNamara was generally regarded by young men of draftable age as the ultimate villain. But in actuality, he was not the ultimate villain, even if he was right in there with the bad guys.

As Secretary of Defense, he did have a great deal to say about how the draft was conducted. But he did NOT have the final say. Nevertheless, noting that the armed forces were made up mostly of men from lower economic classes, including racial minorities, while the sons of more "privileged" families managed to get conveniently "passed over," in order to make the draft more equitable, McNamara instituted what he considered a fairer way:   a draft lottery.

This, of course, didn't go over well with those "privileged" families—nor on college campuses, because it made getting a student deferment considerably more complicated than merely registering for school. Student deferments were no longer automatic. This was one of the major spurs of the anti-Vietnam war protests, especially on college campuses.

McNamara was certainly not one of the "good guys" in the Vietnam brouhaha, but he got a helluva lot more bad press over this that he really deserved.

Ya know, GfS, you really need to look beyond the obvious. And frankly, I don't have the time to spend on your education. Why don't you learn a fact or two before you start shooting your mouth off?

(Talk about "lame!!")

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 03:10 PM

True, Greg. Too bad it takes 1000 bad politicians to ruin the reputation of one good one.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 01:30 PM

Hey, I remember growing up the 50s in Northern Virgina and guess what???

Everyone lived modestly... In the subdivision we moved to when I was 6 years old, all the houses had either 2 or 3 bedrooms and no air conditioning... But in the subdivision there were a couple congressmen, one admiral, at least two generals, doctors, lawyers and Indian chiefs... Okay, I made up the Indian chief but we did have an Native American country singer named Marvin Rainwater... But we also had people like my dad who worked for Ford Motor company and our next door neighbor worked for a printing company...

That's the way America used to be and we didn't have all these crybaby Tea Partiers threatening to kill people who disagreed with them...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 12:02 PM

Bernie Sanders.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 11:06 AM

If you're going to San Francisco
Be sure to wear . . . .


This line from that article says it all to me:

"Unlike many prominent politicians Humphrey never became wealthy, and through most of his years as a U.S. Senator and Vice President, he lived in a modest middle-class housing development in Chevy Chase, Maryland."

Who can that be said of today?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 10:59 AM

Yup, Greg... Plus it was so secret that Nixon himself didn't know what it was... lol...

B~


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