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BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...

Don Firth 20 Aug 11 - 11:02 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 21 Aug 11 - 12:58 AM
Don Firth 21 Aug 11 - 01:07 AM
GUEST,999 21 Aug 11 - 10:35 AM
Greg F. 21 Aug 11 - 11:07 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 21 Aug 11 - 11:14 AM
Stringsinger 21 Aug 11 - 12:51 PM
Don Firth 21 Aug 11 - 02:16 PM
Bobert 21 Aug 11 - 02:54 PM
Andrez 21 Aug 11 - 06:01 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 22 Aug 11 - 02:12 AM
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Bobert 22 Aug 11 - 09:46 AM
Stringsinger 22 Aug 11 - 11:36 AM
Bobert 22 Aug 11 - 12:48 PM
Don Firth 22 Aug 11 - 02:04 PM
Bobert 22 Aug 11 - 02:25 PM
Don Firth 22 Aug 11 - 03:20 PM
Bobert 23 Aug 11 - 12:34 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 23 Aug 11 - 03:26 PM
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Greg F. 23 Aug 11 - 03:58 PM
Don Firth 23 Aug 11 - 04:20 PM
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Stringsinger 23 Aug 11 - 04:55 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Aug 11 - 11:02 PM

Exactly so, Bobert.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Aug 11 - 12:58 AM

To Bobert and Don, and anyone else, who may be reading:
The question was what 'products' were we after, and what products were we 'selling'? The Geo-political answer is not, the 'products', but rather, a typical generic..and not very far thought out answer. In other words, what did Vietnam, Iran, Central America, Panama, regions in South America, Afghanistan, Pakistan ..and of course, Iraq have in common?? Keep in mind, that Kennedy wanted out of Vietnam, and was not happy with the 'Bay of Pigs' idea, before the launch of it....and remember he wanted to do away with the 'Fed', and opposed 'secret excursions'....especially, by who?..and co-incidentally, who, as even the Warren Report, 'mentions', as did These Guys and and these guys
, point to?
Put it all together, and Voila!
Could give you a giant hint, but we'll wait to see what you may come up with. Remember, I'm NOT against you!..but rather FOR the truth, and really don't like 'corruption' in government!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Aug 11 - 01:07 AM

Looks like we're dipping into conspiracy theories again.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 21 Aug 11 - 10:35 AM

Just because paranoia makes you think you're being followed doesn't mean you aren't.


Can recall where I got that line.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Aug 11 - 11:07 AM

Bruce- I'm pretty sure it's Yossarian in Catch 22 & more like "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you", but you'd have to check; I'n not an expert on Heller.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Aug 11 - 11:14 AM

Don, It has NOTHING to do with 'conspiracy theories'. Maybe the 'conspiracy theory' that YOU believe has more to do with the 'conspiracy' to re-write HISTORY, to keep the people in the dark. Ever think about that??..Besides, weren't you in that line of work at one time, either willingly, or possibly unwittingly. No jab or offense intended...but DIS-information, from the government, is not a myth. Don't you think when they release 'disinformation' that they are 'conspiring' to keep the TRUTH, from the public?? Don't you think that to cover one lie, you have to tell another?? Haven't you had to do the same?...So, it's NOT to far fetched, that behind all the disinformation lies, that the 'perpetrators' have steered things, including our national policies, both foreign and domestic, into events, that caused their own repercussions?...and don't you think they've had to defend against those repercussions? Maybe, it's been so BIG, that American policies, inherited from administration, to administration, backed us into a corner of entanglements, that when Obama blames Bush, you believe him...but the problems Bush inherited, ass well.(even though I believe Bush has been a co-perpetrator). Could it be, that Obama is too?...or briefed on his options? When does a 'maybe' stop being a 'maybe'?...and perhaps, the 'maybe' rap, is just to afford wiggle room, and therefore MORE disinformation.
Give it a thought. Follow the money trail. Do some research on the Iran-Contra affair, the Vietnam (Golden Triangle), Mexico, South American covert ops, Afghanistan, Pakistan.......or why Lt. Col. Oliver North, as he testified at the hearings, why he got involved, and the logic behind the policies. It's all there. I didn't make this up!...It's just that when people have ideological 'leanings' they tend NOT to look at the whole picture, without disregarding the parts that 'infringe' on the 'promoters' of their particular ideological agenda. We got everybody looking everywhere else, disregarding the whole picture, while the perpetrators have gotten away with murder..literally, including ALL the casualties of war, both combatant, and non-combatant.
Should be some interesting thinking for ya'.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Stringsinger
Date: 21 Aug 11 - 12:51 PM

Of course Perry and Bachmann will decide to funnel money into churches of their choice. That's what they profess as far as their religion carries them. Obama has certainly done this with his "faith-based initiatives" so what make you think Perry and Bachmann will suddenly change course? It will be religion on steroids steering toward Republican reaction and supported by two-thirds of the American electorate, most of them believe in the inerrancy of the bible.

Robbing poor and the elderly isn't funny today. It has come true so it's not satire like it was in the Sixties when things were economically better.

As to the role of Johnson in the assassination of Kennedy, I still like the book "Ultimate Sacrifice" by Lamar Waldron and Thom Hartmann which is not a conspiracy theory but hard work research done over ten years. You might agree or disagree with it but it is serious reading.


Disinformation is a way of getting elected, protecting corporations, keeping greed in the hands of an Oligarchy and aiding religious nut-cases who are trying to become president.
What's so shocking about that?

Kennedy and Johnson were dragged kicking and screaming into supporting Civll Rights. That's common information.

The Military Industrial Complex would benefit from a theocratic turn in the presidency, they are actively promoting this in the upper echelons of the military today. Try being a non-believer in the military today and find out what happens to you.

The MIC in the US today is big business and the Tea Party isn't saying boo about that because they not only don't care, they support it.

Who has the temerity to claim that they have an understanding of the "whole picture"?
We are all like the blind man and the elephant. Where's the real information coming from, certainly not Bob Hope or Pat Paulsen, more like Stephen Colbert or Jon Stewart.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Aug 11 - 02:16 PM

GfS, what I was doing at the radio station had nothing to do with government "disinformation." As news director for KORD, Tri-Cities, Washington, I worked with local news, not national, which came over the ABC network feed (I had nothing to do with that). I was the one who decided which, out of a whole bunch of stories that came in, would go into the newscasts (five minutes at the top of each hour, plus half-hour newscasts at 7:00 a.m., noon, and 6:00 p.m.). The five-car pile-up on the highway just north of Richland in which two people died got precedence over the cat that got stuck up a tree over in Kennewick.

As to local politics, I made sure that what went out over the air was what the candidates said. The station took no stands. My policy was "report the news."

VERY UNLIKE Fox News Service.

One of the things that job gave me was a sharp nose for bullshit masquerading as news. And that has stood me in good stead over the years since then.

After my stint at KORD in the Tri-Cities, I returned to Seattle and took a job as board announcer at a classical music station (on the strength of the fact that I was thoroughly familiar with the music and I could pronounce names like Gennady Rozhdestvensky and Mstislav Rostropovich without chipping a tooth), and for a great increase in salary.

I was hardly the purveyor of government disinformation that you are trying to make me out to be (and, yes, I DO find that offensive—you don't know me and you have no right to make the kind of assumptions you are making).

What you are saying in your above post is nothing that I haven't been fully aware of for decades. As far as "give it a thought" and "follow the money trail," I wasn't born yesterday. Far from it! And I could probably tell YOU chapter and verse about the Iran-Contra affair and all the rest that you list—and one helluva lot more!

The question, GfS, is not about spending all your time analyzing the greed for power and money—take that as given; 'twas ever thus—but how can ETHICAL and INTELLIGENT people wrest the wheel from the grubby hands of those who are steering the ship of state onto the rocks because they are blinded by the dollar-signs in their eyes?

The Tea Party folks are the last people in the world who are capable of the task. Being mostly fundamentalist Christians, naïvely opposed to the very government regulations that would solve the vast majority of the nation's problems, spittly-spittingly angry at the world in general, and displaying tendencies both to advocate and use violence, these folks are in no mental state to be setting a course of action or choosing national leaders.

NOW is the time for cool, sober thought and careful planning, NOT as you seem to be wont to do, making up falsehoods about people whose goals are, quite probably, essentially the same as your own, along with your penchant for calling them snotty names and showing general contempt just to pump up your own ego.

Okay, GfS, if you know the solution to all of the nation's—and the world's—problems, let's hear it. Now is not the time to play cute and coy.

Dazzle us with your brilliance.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Aug 11 - 02:54 PM

Well, GfinS, dismissing the geo-political reasons for the Unites States wars shows a basic misunderstanding of history... The US has been playing this game going back Teddy Roosevelt...

So Vietnam's location, just south of China with a long navigable coast with 6 or 7 decent ports made it look like nice chess piece to capture during the Cold War days... That's geo-politics and that is why both the French and later the US wanted a permanent foot hold there... That was had very little to do with Communism and everything to do with location, location, location... It didn't hurt that it also had/has a solid agricultural economy able to feed more than it's own people... Not to mention rubber, tungsten, iron ore, coal, natural gas and oil...

The Bosnian War was entered into solidify NATOs grip on eastern Eurpoe to box in the Russians...

The Afgan War was called up because neocons had always wanted a foothold there to build a pipeline to move oil and because George Bush never met a war he didn't like... It was also to be yet another poke in the eye to Russia seein' as the US helped the Taliban run Russia out... As for resources up for grabs??? Tons and tons of lithium (think electric car batteries), cooper, iron, gold, etc... The Washington Post did an article last year about all the minerals underneath Afghanistan... And don't forget the poppy crop...

Iraq is easy... Location, oil, location, oil, location, oil, oil oil and more oil... If you are into trying to run the entire show Iraq is a must chess piece... Just ask any neocon... And yet another War that George Bush couldn't say no to because Karl Rove felt a new and shiny war would help Bush with the 2004 election...

Any other question???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Andrez
Date: 21 Aug 11 - 06:01 PM

Hmm,

I see I need to restate my earlier post and fix the typos. It should have read:

"How about just ending this uninformative drivel in this thread as well"!

Andrez


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Aug 11 - 02:12 AM

You know what?....I haven't been around of such a bunch of 'unwilling to learn something real' in years! Completely block headed!..so, I think I'll just bow out. Why should I risk myself on your party blindness...besides, most people I know already know this stuff, but we never talk about it, and even they are polarized politically. I think some people prefer to remain either close minded, ignorant, you're working for 'them', or just don't give a hoot. And for what its worth, what I was telling you is absolutely correct...and still I don't think any of the parties have got their fingers on the pulse.

Ciao,

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Aug 11 - 02:22 AM

Parting shot check it out on snopes!

GE

General Electric is planning to move its 115-year-old X-ray division from Waukesha, Wis., to Beijing. In addition to moving the headquarters, the company will invest $2 billion in China and train more than 65 engineers and create six research centers. This is the same GE that made $5.1 billion in the United States last year. but paid no taxes-the same company that employs more people overseas than it does in the United States.

So let me get this straight. President Obama appointed GE Chairman Jeff Immelt to head his commission on job creation (job czar). Immelt is supposed to help create jobs. I guess the President forgot to tell him in which country he was supposed to be creating those jobs in. If this doesn't show you the total lack of leadership of this President, I don't know what does.

http://news.businessweek.com/article.asp?documentKey=1376-LOUVYE1A74E901-5NJ

IS ANYBODY LISTENING? OBVIOUSLY NOT.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Aug 11 - 09:46 AM

So, GfinS... Fatcs trumped whatever your latest conspiracy theory was for the US getting in all these wars... You were bluffing and now all you can do is say that we're unwilling to learn... Learn what??? I mean, maybe you know something that historians and.or political scientists don't, I donno.... If you do then maybe you'd like to share it with *US*...

Oh, if it's Ike's warning in his farewell speech about the military industrial complex, that is a given... It all part of the big scheme to keep *US* in constant wars... Yeah, it underlies everything but that is something that Don and Jack and I know all about... It's always there... Big deal... Try stopping it... They'll MLK or RFK you in a heartbeat...

As for GE??? Why do you keep talking about GE??? Never mind... I already know... The right wing is making GE the whipping boy for ***all*** corporate sins because GE's CEO is buddies with Obama... So that is nuthin' but Repub-speak...

Why aren't you talking about Exxon??? Or Boeing??? Or Blackwater???

Never mind... I'll tell you why... Because you Repubs and Tea Partiers can't stand talking about you donors...

Just like George Soros has become your favorite scapegoat when the money he gives Dems looks like chump change compared to the $$$ the Koch brothers and the health insurane lobbies are pumping into the Repub coffers...

This is all just Basic Reality 001 (non-credit remedial reality for the insane)...

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 Aug 11 - 11:36 AM

Obama has not commented on GE's move, Jeffery Immelt aside.

My hope is that a comprehensive job bill requiring the government to hire the unemployed will be offered by Obama in September. If he runs on this, he will be re-elected. If he compromises on this issue, we can expect a Republican nut-case for the presidency.

The Gang of 12 spells disaster for the issue of spending cuts which we absolutely don't need at present. The Tea Party and its ideology will actually bring down this government and we'll have to shovel out of decades of poverty, unemployment, and economic inequality. And all this because these Tea Party wing-nuts want their Christian rapture.

Perry and Bachmann are Tea Party heads. The New Apostolic Reformation will be running our country if Perry gets in. Check that out.

Check out these names: Rousas John Rushdoony, John Nelson Darby, Abraham Vereide (from Norway), Francis Schaeffer, Douglas Coe, Muthee, Eidsmore, Oral Roberts University,Pat Robertson's Regent University and be very afraid.

Get educated people!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Aug 11 - 12:48 PM

Right on, Strings...

Obama needs to go big!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Aug 11 - 02:04 PM

When challenged to reveal his august knowledge to we ignorant peasants, suddenly GfS once again calls us all a bunch of brainwashed ignoramuses and says he can't waste any more of his/her precious time on us.

All of which boils down to a simple fact:

S/He's got NUTHIN'!!

Just another loudmouthed gas-bag.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Aug 11 - 02:25 PM

Yup, Don, she's holding a pair of deuces and betting like she's got a full house???

But I am curious as to which conspiracy theory she was going to pull on us... Maybe the "100 mpg carburetor"??? Maybe the "The world is controlled by 5 men"??? Maybe "Obama is from Mars"???

Guess we'll never know now... Shucks!!! I was so looking forward to a good fallin'-down-holdin'-my-sides-uncontrollable-laugh...

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Aug 11 - 03:20 PM

The Chihuahua stands there yapping at a pride of lions until the lions get tired of all the racket, take a look at this pathetic little snack, and let out a loud roar. Then, the Chihuahua dumps its load in sheer terror and goes kye-yiping over the hill.

I guess we'll never learn how we can all save the world. Tsk tsk.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 12:34 PM

....and the beat goes on...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 03:26 PM

1- Don: "The Chihuahua stands there yapping..(blah blah)
2- Don: "..until the lions get tired of all the racket..(Blah blah)
3- Don: "take a look at this pathetic little snack, and let out a
          loud roar.
4- Don: " Then, the Chihuahua dumps its load in sheer terror
          and goes kye-yiping over the hill." (Blah blah)
5- Bobert: "Yup, Don, she's holding a pair of deuces and betting like
          she's got a full house" (Blah blah)
6- Bobert: "But I am curious as to which conspiracy theory she was
          going to pull on us..." (blah blah)
7- Bobert: "Maybe the "100 mpg carburetor"??? Maybe the "The world is
          "controlled by 5 men"??? Maybe "Obama is from Mars"???
8- Bobert: "Shucks!!! I was so looking forward to a good fallin'-
          down-holdin'-my-sides-uncontrollable-laugh..."
9- Don: "When challenged to reveal his august knowledge to we
          ignorant peasants"..(Blah blah)
10- Don: "S/He's got NUTHIN'!!" (Blah blah horseshit!)
11- Don: "Just another loudmouthed gas-bag.' (blah blah)
12- Bobert: "..I mean, This is all just Basic Reality 001 (non-credit remedial reality for the insane)...maybe you know something that historians
          and.or political scientists don't, I donno..." (Blah blah)
13- Bobert: "So, GfinS... Fatcs trumped whatever your latest
          conspiracy theory was.." More blah blah)
14- Bobert: "So that is nuthin' but Repub-speak..." (Blah blah)
15- Boobert: "..Never mind... I'll tell you why... Because you Repubs
          and Tea Partiers can't stand talking about you donors..."
16- Bobert: "...This is all just Basic Reality 001 (non-credit
          remedial reality for the insane)..." Blah blah blah)

16 slurs and NOT ONE FACT..Great rebuttal guys!! I guess that's your way of saying you got the shit knocked out of you!.....However Boobert did make one TRUE statement that made sense....
Bobert: "suddenly GfS once again calls us all a bunch of brainwashed ignoramuses and says he can't waste any more of his/her precious time on us."


Stringsinger, though we have disagreed, here and there, was the ONLY one of you, who could ask a legitimate question, or make a comment without a slur, or insult. Though we may have a difference, hats off to you!!...SO....

I was talking to my friend, and he told me about this link. He is EXTREMELY 'Progressive' and he is thoroughly disgusted in this administration....so I watched the video(which is around two hours long), and was blown away, BUT it is also VERY consistent, with what I was saying. They even alluded to the change came AFTER the death of JFK!!...AND mentions about the jobs (GE) going overseas, to China. So I'm going to post it for you. It is NOT favoring ANY of the parties, including the Tea Party. Joe S., my 'Progressive' friend (Democrat, and excellent man)says there is quite a 'buzz' about this video!!(which has about 3 million hits, just on the one I looked at). I myself found it quite disturbing, but it made complete sense!!!! This is a note from below the video: "Fall Of The Republic documents how an offshore corporate cartel is bankrupting the US economy by design."
It blasts both sides!
Watch it all the way through....it goes through different subjects


The other two pouting bed-wetters are only going to post nasty posts to discredit anyone who doesn't have to try as hard as they do, to eat with a spoon, so they can, and will be ignored.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 03:51 PM

In twenty-five words or fewer, what does your post say?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 03:58 PM

Jaysus, Bruce! Be careful what you ask for, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 04:20 PM

G from the Asylum, perhaps the reason there is no rebuttal is that, other than babbling incoherently, you haven't say anything to rebut.

You keep claiming that you know what all the plagues of the world are and that you know how to fix them, and that Bobert, John P., and I are too stupid to figure it out for ourselves.

So you've been challenged to TELL us poor ignorant sods. You've been given your chance to show us how brilliant you are.

And YOU come up with zip, zilch, nada, NOTHING!!

Quit bothering the adults and go soak your head!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 04:27 PM

Open mouth--Insert foot!
Some babbling fools just don't comprehend!..or read a whole post before blathering on!

You just got busted, again!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 04:38 PM

Mt Rushmore got busted, not me.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 04:41 PM

"Some babbling fools just don't comprehend!"

Truest thing you've said yet, GoofuS.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Stringsinger
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 04:55 PM

Obama may he hamstrung by the Tea Party in that he has a corporate bent which may preclude him standing up to Wall Street or the Tea Party. Right now, he is beholden to the MIC which is really telling him what to do.

Tripoli may be another quagmire, no government established, billions going into that war, but one thing is for certain. If Obama is for it, the Tea Party will be against it.

The theological mindset of the Tea Party sees Obama as the "anti-Christ" and the wave of religious wing-nuts are giving his political demise biblical support, mostly inferential and interpretive. Their view of theology supports the idea that rich people deserve what they have because their god wills it, a Pat Robertson bromide, and the motivation for Bachmann and Perry.

The only way Obama can be re-elected is if he has the temerity to take all of this on but the question remains, why is he so intent on his view of "compromise"? Does he fear the violent power of the religious wing-nuts? Is he sympathetic to Wall Street and their support for him at the next election? Is he sensitive to the fact that racism is alive and well in the US?

Why did he agree to the gang of 12 which will reach an impasse and trigger cuts in social programs?

You saw the picture of Rick Perry with a pistol in hand at the NASCAR races. Does this
portend things to come?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 06:21 PM

Strings, watch the video on the link. it tells you who and what Obama is, and the relationship there is with the Bush administration. But you have to get past the first part, and into the meat of it!

"Ritual Defamation is used to hurt, to intimidate, to destroy, and to persecute, and to avoid the dialogue, debate and discussion upon which a free society depends. On those grounds it must be opposed no matter who tries to justify its use."

This is worth an intelligent conversation, or debate...even if you don't agree with the video...which, by the time you get to the end, is fascinating!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 07:42 PM

As far as I am concerned if there was a 2 hour video that was fact based explaining all the wars since 1963 then someone with academic credentials would have written a book on it and it would be common knowledge... I am not going to waste 2 hours of my life watching disconnected rants and unproven hypothesis's by conspiracy theorists just to have the pleasure (?) of poking holes in it...

If, however, GfinS, since you have gone out of your way to proclaim that Don and I rae so ignorant in answering of your question, then please, by all means, condense the hypothesis into a few paragraphs...

That shouldn't be all that hard... I mean, if a hypothesis takes two hours to explain then it's bogus...

B~

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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 08:52 PM

Don't waste your time on that link, folks. It's a YouTube rendition of "The Fall of the Republic." It's a production of Alex Jones, a talk show host in Dallas, Texas.

I saw it some time ago, at the insistence of one of my more angry and unstable acquaintances who loaned me her copy of the DVD.

Here's the scoop on Alex Jones:

(Sorry. I tried to make it into a link, but for some reason the bloody thing wouldn't work!)

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/alex-jones.

Alex Jones's magnum opus is primarily a vicious propaganda slam against Obama (surprise surorise!), and then it resurrects the wheezy old conspiracy theory, long favored by the dim-witted and paranoid, about "The Global Corporate Takeover by the International Bankers." It's just been up-dated a bit.

My Dad used to get that kind of crappolla in the mail (unsolicited—people just used to send it to him) when I was a kid; but back then, it was how the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers were colluding to take over control of the world by controlling all the money.

This thing also takes a swipe at well-established science, claiming that all talk of climate change being influenced by man is part of The Plot (although how that works is pretty unclear, since most environmental laws based on reducing greenhouse gasses require that many corporations take a financial hit and clean up their acts). It also tries to explain climate variations by giving a basic (sub-basic!) lesson in astronomy, such as the the earth's axial tilt which is responsible for our regular seasonal variations, all long known information, and other totally predictable and well understood phenomena such as the sun's eleven-year-sunspot cycle, which, since it's been going on for millions of years, has nothing to do with any long term climate changes. Nice graphics, though—but irrelevant to the point.

(Astronomy is one of my areas of expertise, so don't try to snow me in that area!!)

The video is interesting, not for the information it contains and the conclusions it reaches.   Most of it is totally spurious. But it gives you an opportunity to observe rampant paranoia at work at its most virulent.

It is true that the corporations, and the wealthy and powerful, want to grab as much power and glean as much wealth, whether earned or not, as they possibly can. 'Twas ever thus! But what, pray tell, is so amazingly new and revelatory about that bit of informantion? All I can say to anyone to whom this is new and startling news is, "Welcome to Planet Earth."

Don Firth

P. S. If that's what GfS is buying into, then I've got him/her completely pegged.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,999 Sorry again!
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 09:15 PM

'"The Global Corporate Takeover by the International Bankers."'

The words, "Fait accompli" come to mind, Don.

NO conspiracy; just the way(s) money and greed work.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 09:29 PM

No, no...

I heard this from my dad growin' up in the 50's...

I made reference to this with my "5 guys run the entire world"... That's the cleaned up version... In the 50's it was "Five Jewish bankers run the world"... I heard it from my dad and heard it elsewhere as it was the "conspiracy theory de' jour"...

Thanks, Don, for plowing into it...

Yes, brucie, the corporations are a major problem but blaming them for all the wars since T-Rex is a stretch...

Lol...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 09:32 PM

True indeed, 999. Just the same old stuff.

But I don't buy the idea that we're helpless. As I've said so often that I should probably have it made into a rubber stamp:

"You can't fight City Hall" is an adage put forth by—City Hall.

Some folks are willing to just accept that bit of propaganda and surrender.

Not me. That strikes me as the coward's way. Or simple laziness.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 10:01 PM

Boss Hogg puts on his pants one leg at a time, and he has the disadvantage of having to zip his pants and buckle his belt over that wobbly, overfed paunch.

I heard someone once say that some folks have this vision of Satan as big and muscular, carrying a pitchfork, and with a spear for a tail. Nothing you would want to mess with. But it you refuse to let His Sulfurous Evilness impress you, don't buy the idea that he's that all-powerful, decide not to go along with his plan, then track him relentlessly to his lair and shine a bright light on him, you'll find that he's nothing but a mangy, flea-bitten little rat cowering in the corner.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 10:34 PM

Don (and Bobert), the reason I like getting into it with you guys is you never make me feel like an idiot when I'm wrong.

True, in this case I'm not wrong, but. . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 11:32 PM

I can understand why some wannabe cronies wouldn't want people to see it....but it is an interesting watch.
Actually. I'm not 'into' all that stuff, but i thought, being as my friend turned me onto it, and it is pertinent, that others might want to see it...IF it's OK with those who would forbid you!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 11:52 PM

Klingons.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 12:04 AM

Give it a good twist, GfS. Nobody is "forbidding" anybody to do anything. There's no way I could, even if I wanted to.

Hey! Reality is over THAT way!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 02:53 AM

When it comes to politics..or 'religion' I don't take ANYONE'S Word for anything......that's why on most all the recent links, there is stuff that YOU get to listen and watch, what is being alleged, right from the horse's mouth(even the long one)....I think people can judge for themselves!!!!
Anyway,
Ciao

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 08:34 AM

mangy, flea-bitten little rat

On behalf of rats worldwide I take exception to that characterization.

And give me a rat rather than a Tea Potty loonie any day of the week.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 08:50 AM

Here's the deal... These films are made with one intention and that is to misinform thru a series of manipulations, bogus statistics and and an intention to brainwash you...

Ya' know, it might be ***interesting*** to eat rat poison but knowin' it will make you sick or kill you is why people don't eat the stuff... Same with information or misinformation... If an Obama-hater offers to share a film with you and says it's interesting then you can bet that what you're about to stick in your head is rat poison for your thinkerator...

There are tons of these films out there that all have one thing in common: they were made to misinform you...

Now TO WIT: GfinS has been playing this little "I've got a secret" with a few of us telling us that we don't know jack from jack about jack because we haven't eaten enough rat poison and she has??? Hope it was tasty, GfinS... One thing is fir sure it might explain part of why you have such a deep hatred of a rather centrist president...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 09:17 AM

"...right from the horse's mouth..."

Sorry, when it comes to the science in that video, it is coming straight from the horse's other end. Pure thoroughly debunked and politically-motivated drivel.

The horse's mouth for climate science is here:

www.skepticalscience.com

Note that this site links directly to the actual published, peer-reviewed data and papers. If you care to debate the issues do not stop at the opinions/interpretations - go look at the data.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 01:50 PM

GfS claims that s/he takes no position, neither left nor right, but is above it all and see's the whole picture, while we poor dupes haven't the brains to believe anything but the propaganda fed to us by The Powers the Be.

If this be true, then why is it that s/he is always taking pot-shots at "liberal loonies" (like us, of course, even without having taken a poll to see who really believes what), while, at the same time shoving links to Right-Wing web sites and propaganda videos at us?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 02:55 PM

Bobert: "Here's the deal... These films are made with one intention and that is to misinform thru a series of manipulations, bogus statistics and and an intention to brainwash you..."

The 'films?...or the 'news'?

Don: "GfS claims that s/he takes no position, neither left nor right, but is above it all and see's the whole picture, while we poor dupes haven't the brains to believe anything but the propaganda fed to us by The Powers the Be.
If this be true, then why is it that s/he is always taking pot-shots at "liberal loonies..."

The video I posted takes shots at BOTH sides, and how the globalist BANKERS are the ones corrupting both the right and left, to get their agendas through...and in the process, destroying REAL liberalism, and co-opting REAL conservatism. If you would have paid attention to the film, Bernancke is being questioned by a DEMOCRAT Congressman, when the Congressman asked him if he knew where a trillion dollars went, and Bernancke answers, that 'I don't know'...and the Democrat Congressman presses him about that. Good for the Congressman!!! Then they have a Republican Congressman grilling him....and he just stonewalls him too. Being as that is caught on film, and the film is about preserving our system of government, and NOT letting it being overtaken by corporate fat cats, to which we will have NO SAY, I'm surprised that you're objecting!!!
The problem is, is that either side of the two parties, who have polarized themselves, tend to get 'protective' of their 'side' ONLY, and throw out the baby with the bathwater!!!.....and that's what has happened to some of you, and you are blowing it for both your party, and our country, and are the ones being manipulated. even the film brings that out...if anyone even watched it all the way through.
If you can't see that, by what is happening to our country, by now, then it is YOU who are supporters of the very people you SAY you are against!!
Fair enough?
They are creating the financial crisis in the country, and globally, and getting their 'victims', to unwittingly point the fingers at each other, as a distraction from where it is coming from!!!! This SHOULD be obvious by now, even if you hadn't seen the videos. THEN they create and back a re-reactionary, group, such as the Tea Party, and the focus falls onto the Tea Party, and STILL not on them.
We all agree that the globalist bankers ARE the problem, with their agenda....what some of you are blinded to, are their tactics!...You think it's ALL political!....and in that, you are sincere..but also sincerely wrong! This WHOLE mess is being driven by them, and THROUGH certain factions of ALL the political parties. To single out this guy, or that guy, on BOTH sides of the aisle, does NOT mean either side, as a whole are fucked up....and that's where fanatics who favor either side, are misdirecting the truth from being uncovered!!!

Now, I guess, here come some stupid rebuttals and slurs(again), but what I just said IS true, and will remain as true, whether you spin it, or not!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 03:04 PM

You must be very young, GfS, because you're just catching up to the twentieth century. We're already in the twenty-first. This is the same old stuff that I heard when I was a kid. And I'm no spring chicken.

The question is

And need I remind you (of course, I do!) the YOU are the one with the stupid slurs?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 03:14 PM

Sorry. My mouse got too eager.

The question, GfS, is, with all of your brilliance, DO YOU HAVE A SOLUTION? AND IF SO, WHAT IS IT?

If so, let's hear it.

Anybody can whine and complain about the state of the world and make snotty remarks about other peoples' view of things, but very few people, it seems, are motivated to do anything to attempted to solve the situation. All they want to do is bitch.

So again: let's hear it!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 05:47 PM

Ain't going to compute, Don... GfinS is a one trick pony with no real ability to take in new information but will sit down to any feast of bullshit, lies and propaganda that the other Obama haters want to serve up... Her "both sides" ballgame is no more than a smokescreen to make her feel like her Obama hating is perfectly okay... It isn't...

People are starting to see that this hatred is in a new class of it's own and also see just what factors make it different...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Stringsinger
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 06:17 PM

From what I can tell, Alex Jones is trading as a conspiracy theorist.

As to the banking industry,and Nafta, Cafta, IMF and the World Bank, the deals made with them, has outsourced our jobs and made CEOs wealthy. I don't buy the monolithic takeover theory but I think the Banksters are culpable, but remember it started with Clinton when he repealed Glass Steagal and then they passed the The Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 (CFMA). This was the start of the bubbles and exporting of jobs. Now gas prices are controlled by speculators on Wall Street in case you wonder why you are paying so much at the pump.

Obama is looking to Wall Street to finance his next election which shows you just how much the system is broken. Thanks to the Roberts Court, money buys elections today. In comes the Koch Brothers with their "Americans for Prosperity" which finances the Tea Party.

The Tea Party is now supporting the governor of Texas who killed an innocent man, carries a laser sighted pistol with him at all times and brandished it at a recent NASCAR meeting.
His "Response" had the New Apostolic Reformation ministers on it. Perry and the Tea Party will damage this country.

Lloyd Blankfein (Goldman Sachs) says he is doing "god's will".


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 06:21 PM

Normal, Strings and...

...300???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party- New & Improved Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 06:25 PM

Don: "You must be very young, GfS, because you're just catching up to the twentieth century. We're already in the twenty-first. This is the same old stuff that I heard when I was a kid. And I'm no spring chicken."

I think you are living in the past...of what you THOUGHT the Democratic Party USED to be!...They co-opted the '60s anti war movement, but didn't really believe in what they were all about....it was just rhetoric to get votes.

Same goes for Bobert...except for him, in his quest for being so 'open minded, and 'liberal' he's turned into a VERY close minded, stuck in partisan propaganda from yesteryear.

As far as a solution, the Constitution has been breached and not enforced, when it comes to loopholes and concessions, of which the manipulator puppet masters, have corrupted, our due processes of law. They will tell you that it is 'outdated' and other such nonsense..BUT there are anti-trust laws, that have been enacted(Constitutionally), which I'm sure the Democrats would be in favor of, anti banking abuse laws, election laws, that have been abused, minting laws, tariifs and revenue laws, border enforcement, balance of power laws and parameters, sovereignty laws...ALL which partisan politicking have fucked with, to get that 'one little thing' through..which chip away at the INTENT of the law!! If the Constitution were enforced as of now!..things would change...the only problem is, a lot of the 'chipping away' was done to appeal to a constituency, along partisan lines(as in 'divide and conquer')......but the real motive behind that, was to allow gaping holes, in which treasonous traitors, and greedy pigs, to keep people down, while they manipulated our legal system, banking laws, etc etc.
It has had a negative effect both to the 'left' AND the 'right', neither get what they wanted, and then somewhere in the mid-term of an administration, (which ever party is in power), their constituency starts thinking that their side LOOKS like the other....and can't figure out what the hell is fucked up!....THEN, you get the 'remedy', which pissed both sides off(such as the Tea Party), and the country stands on the brink of collapse, socially and economically, while the perpetrators stand ready to move in, and set up their own totalitarian state neo fascism which fucks EVERYONE over....except, of course themselves!
We are being, or attempting to be, deceived every day that we live!
Just look around you.
An open mind could easily grasp this. A truly liberal mind sees it. A progressive mind sees it...and Conservatives see it...and its pissing us ALL off!!!
So, I'm NOT against you, at all...but you guys are promoting a mindset that is keeping people blinded, and divided, as Americans.
Hell, I'm only a musician, and I see it..ONLY because I didn't get sucked into it!!!..and am still objective.
No slurs, no slams, no errors!

GfS


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