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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 12:15 PM

Richard probably is in touch with other centennial posters!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 03:01 PM

"I have explained this to you twice before Jim."
And I've pointed out to you that the authorities have expressed concern that other rabid right wing organisations might carry out copycat actions, so they suggest that until all the facts are known they have urged that no chances are taken.
Nor, at this stage, have the Norwegian police been able to give anything other than an opinion that he was probably acting alone, so they will not be taking any chances either - despite your assurances!!
Perhaps they should just have asked you - then Keith could put your name down on his list of impeccable experts", thus saving him the trouble of taking responsibility for his own opinions.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 08:19 PM

"And I've pointed out to you that the authorities have expressed concern that other rabid right wing organisations might carry out copycat actions, so they suggest that until all the facts are known they have urged that no chances are taken.

Really?? Where?? Security alerts for any sort of attack are heightened where?? As far as I can make out they remain much the same as they did before. In the UK the major security concerns remain to be the Real IRA and Islamic Fundamentalist motivated attacks in that order. In Norway where I have been just recently there is no evident concern at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 09:42 PM

Responses as suggested by Jack

"Step up security:
- Do not discuss him in the context of politics.

- Look for manifestos and keep an eye on the authors.

- Monitor fertilizer sales

- Monitor gun sales.

- Have plastic surgeons to report anyone who asks to look more Aryan.


Well outside of a few eedjits on this forum nobody is dicussing Breivik in the context of politics.

Any idea how many manifestos are written, and written perfectly legally? How would this stand with the right of free speech and self-expression?

"Monitor fertilizer sales"? Already done and was done in this case, that alone tells you nothing. Breivik only made one purchase which on face value was completely above board. It is not only sales you want to monitor it is verified use you need to keep track of.

"Monitor gun sales"? Already done, but illegal guns are available to any crook that wants them, so this measure guarantees nothing whatsoever.

Requests to Plastic Surgeons?? You are kidding right??


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 09:45 PM

- Have plastic surgeons to report anyone who asks to look more Aryan

Yes you eedjit on this forum, it was a joke.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 12:41 AM

You are a million laughs Jerkwad


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Goose Gander
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 01:11 AM

I don't like right-wing fascists, left-wing totalitarians, violence-prone religious fanatics of any kind, etc. And threads like this remind me why I don't like dilettantes of any stripe.

Anyone still want to talk about music?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Goose Gander
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 01:16 AM

I'm Against It

And if that's not clear . . .

I'm Against It


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 07:46 AM

"As far as I can make out they remain much the same as they did before."
If you mean we are still in a situation that a right wing nutter can plan and carry out slaughter on a massive scale to publicise his racst agenda - yes, things do remain as they did before - which is exactly why a full investigation is necessary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 08:10 AM

Unfortunately for you Jim Lad the investigations so far all indicate that Breivik (Note Spelling) did act alone.

Anything cancelled? Nope? Any heightend Security that I could detect going to or returning from having attended one of the funerals? Nope

Add on targets for those other "cells" and accomplices you wish to scare us with - The Norway Cup (Great target if your beef is with foreigners coming to Norway) - The "Flower" Procession in Oslo about 220,000 at that.

Of course investigations are ongoing but your suggested links to EDL and other UK right-wing groups have so far turned up nothing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 10:26 AM

"Unfortunately for you Jim Lad the investigations so far all indicate that Breivik (Note Spelling) did act alone."
And one more time Terrytune, I have not disputed that he PROBABLY did act alone - still not a known fact though - as you say, "the investigation so far" which you seem so anxious to call off.
I have nowhere mentioned "cells and accomplices" - that is solely your own invention.
The concern all round - except from you apparently, lies with the nutters who could decide to copycat his actions (aren't you into guns? If not, there are certainly plenty of nutters out there who are).
Read the Telegraph (hardly a leftie scaremongeing publication) article you keep ignoring. Sorry, your "Come out with your hands up and we won't harm you" plea doesn't really ring true somehow.
Given your track record, I'd sooner take their word for it, thanks all the same.
Why are you so anxious to convince us that there is no risk from these maniacs I wonder?
Still relying on the typos as a replacemet for argument I see.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 12:33 PM

"In spite of your claims to the contrary, a likely link has been established between two English fascist organisations and the killer" - Jim Carroll - Date: 10 Aug 11 - 02:55 PM

So you've never mentioned cells and accomplices, eh? No link, likely or otherwise, has been established - has it.

"a recent massacre aimed at inciting race hatred and further killing." - Jim Carroll - Date: 10 Aug 11 - 02:55 PM

Care to explain to us how Breivik's attacks could possibly incite race hatred? I can see how the claim by Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami could do that, and that is why they did make their claim of responsibility, but not Breivik's attack on the Government Office in Oslo or the Arbeiderpartiet Youth Organisation rally on Utřya. Breivik's motivation can be described as racist, his selected targets most certainly were not, they were demonstrably political in nature.

The full investigation into Breivik will not prevent any future "copycat attacks", particularly if it is found that he did act alone.

So I am "anxious to call the investigation off" am I. Care to provide any evidence in support of that supposition of yours?

Do I believe that the UK faces greater terrorist/security threats than any possible future Breivik-type copycat attack - Of course I do, but at no point at all have I ever proposed or suggested that the investigation into Breivik be called off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 01:46 PM

A link has been established and Breivik's stated aim was at inciting race hatred and furer killing wher does that imly "cells and accomplices" - it was a "wake up call" against immgration - all somewhat evasive, don't you think.
Your downgrading of the investigation to less important than punishing combatants in past conflicts, and your attempt to ridicule those who are concerned about symapathy response by British fascists by introducing "assocates" and "cells" into he discussion is indication enough that you would like to see it ended.
BTW was I right; are you a gun-nut?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 02:22 PM

Here is a video of part of an Oslo Art Walk dedicated to the victims. I hope it can be viewed by anyone regardless of where you are.
http://vimeo.com/27497831


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 02:26 PM

Making up stuff again Jim Lad Tsk, Tsk.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 02:29 PM

From: Teribus - PM
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 12:41 AM

You are a million laughs Jerkwad <<<<

That is a million more than you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 04:10 PM

"Making up stuff again Jim Lad Tsk, Tsk. "
Avoiding your own statements again Terminus Tsk, Tsk!
Jim Carroll


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