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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: GUEST,Wotcha
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 04:38 PM

We got the news on board ship via Polish satellite TV before leaving Lerwick for Stavanger. More than a bit of a damper for the Tall Ships event. It is a terrible thing. Lerwick held a suitable memorial (outdoor Church Service in the rain) service before the ships left: Eternal Father Stron to Save resonated with all. Upon arrival in Stavanger a minute of silence and flags at half mast was the order of the day. Flowers everywhere.    This will take considerable time to work through -- at the same time the Poles are just getting around to the aircrash that wiped out their president and senior leaders 18 months ago at Katyn... Scars that may never heal.

Blessings,

Wotcha just off the sea ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 04:52 PM

Thanks for that post. It was a nice one. I don't know this song or the word "Stron." "Eternal Father Stron to Save" could you please elaborate?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: MartinRyan
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 05:03 PM

GUESTWotcha

What ship? I sailed into Lerwick about 10 years ago on board the Norwegian barque Staadsrad Lehmkuhl. Coincidentally, just three weeks before last week's massacre, I was in Bergen, her home port, for a weekend, on holidays. The rest of our time was in Oslo - so it really hurts to watch them suffer. At the same time, of course, I'm lost in admiration of their reaction.

Regards


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 05:06 PM

"Strong"...
........................

One thing that has struck me is how impressive the Norwegians seen on TV have been in the way they have responded to all this.   

That includes the Prime Minister, Jens Stoltenberg. I kept on imagining how most British politicians I am accustomed to seeing on TV would have coped.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Penny S.
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 03:16 AM

Navy hymn


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 03:18 AM

"It was a rhetorical question."
It was a rhetorical response - met this feller before.
Jim Carrol


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 06:15 AM

"This is how one holds bigotry in one's mind in the face of reasonable exrernal evidence." - Jerkwad Jack

What a great pity therefore that no such "exrernal" or even "external" evidence reasonable or otherwise has been proffered by said Jack or anyone else for that matter.

Back to the terror group Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami and the lies they told. Without a shadow of doubt they did that to cause trouble and make a bad situation even worse. But in doing so they follow the precedent and example of existing and previous Muslim leaders

Ayman Al-Zawahri's message was used to lend "credibility" to their lies. But there is no bullshit involved with regard to the statement this terrorist made in 2003. It is an irrefutable fact that he specifically mentioned Norway as a target - or does Jerkwad Jack dispute that?

The one time leader of a faction of Arabs in Palestine Haj Mohammed Effendi Amin el-Husseini (The uncle of Yasser Arafat) deliberately propagated lies to foment trouble between the Jewish and Arab people of Palestine on at least three occasions before the Second World War resulting in riot, bloodshed and death.

Subsequently the people who Jack and his partner have elected to champion have consistently elected to chose the path of violence, terror and war to further their cause. That being the case they should then learn to live with the consequences of their choices and actions - everybody else on this planet has to what makes them the exception?

If the official UN definition of a Palestinian is someone who has lived there for two years, then the Jews are as much Palestinians as the Arabs and have as much right to live there as the Arabs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 08:40 AM

Go off and start another thread please, Teribus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 08:42 AM

You could even stick a link to it in this thread, in case anyone wants to join you in a discussion of the things you want to talk about.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 08:54 AM

Thank you Penny. That was lovely. I remember that hymn from my childhood in my Grandmother's Anglican church. I guess I was too young to be aware of the words. Beautiful. Beautiful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 09:03 AM

Don't think I'll bother doing that Kevin and I think I've said all I want to on this. I have to brace myself for a funeral associated with this outrage early next week and just simply cannot be bothered devoting any more energy arguing with the likes of you or Jerkwad Jack.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 09:23 AM

My sympathies to you, and all who are touched by this obscenity.
keith.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 07:01 PM

When a couple rescue 40 people under fire you might expect it to be an internationally reported story, yes?

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/190990/20110802/norway-massacre-oslo-shooting-utoya-anders-breivik-lesbian-couple-rescue-youth-c

Funny how the British media never noticed that one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 07:10 PM

Your link didn't work Jack. I found this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 07:23 PM

Fixed link:

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/190990/20110802/norway-massacre-oslo-shooting-utoya-anders-breivik-lesbian-couple-rescue-youth-camp.htm

Some kind of limit on the length of URL I could copy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: GUEST, - AKS
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 12:02 AM

11 days later . . .

It doesn't seem so important now what the killer's motivations were for the horrific slaughter of so many innocents, or who &/or what claimed responsibility at the time, or any of the extraneous B.S. that often follows large newsmaking events.

What really matters is the tragic loss of lives . . .

NO more - - - and certainly NO LESS ! !
May all of their families know our condolences and find comfort in their memories of their loved ones.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 03:29 AM

"NO more - - - and certainly NO LESS ! ! "
Sorry, can't possibly agree.
As tragic as the killings are, the implications reach far beyond the events and those directly affected.
This massacre was carried out as an attempted rallying call to all racists - an attempt to "wake up Europeans" to the "threat of immigration and multi-culturalism".
There are those out there who believe, and openly advocate that anybody who is different from us is in some way inferior and a threat to our way of life and should be "dealt with" or, as somebody put it, "action needs to be taken now to reverse some of the policies which have created the "time bomb"
Already, links are becoming apparent between the killer, the English Defence League and crazies like the newly-revived Knights Templars - ignore this and the Breiviks of this world win.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Penny S.
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 03:44 AM

This morning, while looking for something totally different, I found a report about a murder in a Kent town, involving a family from the Baltic area. There were comments. A lot of them were thoroughly poisonous, ignoring the tragedy in order to express opinions about immigrants. One used the username BNP. Some tried to counter this.

Years ago on a site supposed to be about re-uniting school friends, there were message boards dripping with xenophobia.

Even more years ago, as a teenager, I wrote to my local paper on an issue about a particular ethnic group, and was sent obnoxious mail in response. My mother intercepted some (I don't know how she knew what it was like) but I did read one before it was burned.

I don't know what the solution is about these people. By now, one would hope that there would have been some effect from education, but it obviously cannot counter the home background.

Breivik, I now hear, had had plastic surgery to make himself look more Aryan. That and testosterone suggest serious self image problems, as well as the racist delusions.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 04:55 AM

I was in Oslo a few weeks ago. It was a sunny day. Young men holiday maker clothes. beautiful young girls in summer dresses. All e-mailing and chatting on their mobile phones in the sunshine. Sad to think some them may now be dead.

Did anyone ever claim responsibility for the Birmingham pub bombings?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 05:37 AM

"Did anyone ever claim responsibility for the Birmingham pub bombings? "
There was no need - the authorities had the information on who actually carried them out years before the Birmingham Six were released - read Chris Mullins' excellent 'Error of Judgement'.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 10:15 AM

The "cigarettes" defense?

In the picture shown the killer has that same strange infantile placid look on his face as Osama Bin Ladin has in many of his pictures.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 11:44 AM

Jim,
"ignore this and the Breiviks of this world win."

So, what should be the correct response to a lone, deranged psychopath?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 11:48 AM

Step up security. Do not discuss him in the context of politics. Look for manifestos and keep an eye on the authors. Monitor fertilizer and gun sales. Have plastic surgeons to report anyone who asks to look more Aryan.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 11:56 AM

Agree Jack.
Jim, had the same crime been committed by a lone Jihadist as a blow towards establishing an Emirates in Europe, would you make the same comment?
He would doubtless have made connections to extreme Islamic groups.

Are you perhaps exploiting this appalling crime to push your particular viewpoint?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 12:00 PM

In response to a lone Jihadist as a blow towards establishing an Emirates in Europe: Step up security. Do not discuss him in the context of politics. Look for manifestos and keep an eye on the authors. Monitor fertilizer and gun sales. Have plastic surgeons to report anyone who asks to look more Aryan. But do not call him a "Jihadist" that furthers his aim. Anti-social lunatic who happens to have attended a mosque would be more to the point.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 12:08 PM

Speaking of 'Aryan', I came across an unusual name a week ago.

I manage an apartment building and process many applications for tenancy.

One man put down as reference his friend, "Aaron Nation". There is no way I would rent to either him or his friend.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 12:25 PM

You know I was wondering why I was getting no job offers.

Here are my references

Axel Murderer
Heddy B. Job
Newt Gingrich


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 02:31 PM

Again I agree Jack (not about your referees.)

The existence of one nut job, far Right or extreme Islamist, should not influence the debate about levels of immigration, multiculturalism, integration, ....

They are both irrelevant to informed, rational debate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Penny S.
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 02:40 PM

Aaron Nation? Where did he think Aaron came from?

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 03:39 PM

"....lone, deranged psychopath?"
Lone, deranged psychopath - do you know something the rest of us don't?
As I have already pointed out, early days yet - we have no idea if Breivik was acting alone - he has already claimed to have been in contact with the English Defence League and their respose has thrown little light on the accuracy of those claims - "Leader of the league, Tommy Robinson condemns the killings (they would, wouldn't they!) "but he does not want to decry the beliefs that led to Breivik's actions.... "the slaughter might wake Europeans up"" Empathy if not active co-operation.
Brevik's and Paul Ray's statements that he has been in touch with and inspired by Ray, ex EDL and now head of the Knights Templars, has been taken serious enough by the police for them to have detained Ray for questioning.
We know that back in the late 1980s there was a European League of Fascists - The Singers Club abandoned its venue at the Cora Hotel in Woburn Place in protest when the hotel manager accepted a booking from Marine Le Pen for a week-end conference there.
Of course, none of this is definite enough to reach any hard and fast conclusions - certainly not a claim of Breivik being "a lone, deranged psychopath" - the Norwegian police are considering whether or not to charge him with "crimes against humanity".
"What should be the correct response to a lone, deranged psychopath" - if that is what he is?
One of extreme caution - the Norwegian police are still attempting to find out if he acted alone; he cerainly has sympathisers elsewhere, if not active supporters, and, as you know yourself, the world is full of racist nutters who would act on their beliefs that, for instance, all Muslims (particularly males) are culturally tainted and need to be sorted out - ah - if only they could find the bottle to come out from behind their computer screens!!!
"Are you perhaps exploiting this appalling crime to push your particular viewpoint?"
Veiwing the situation based on the evidence at hand can hardly be described as "exploiting" and I certainly make no apology for holding the veiws that I do on racism, even if I didn't have the benefit of being handed them by "impeccible sources".
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 03:44 PM

OK how about a deranged psychopath who may or may not have acted in accord with other lone, deranged psychopaths.

Other than a full and thorough investigation of the man, his actions and associations, which I assumed was self evident, the proper response remains the same.

I would not, as you have done include any other group or individual with him until concrete evidence is provided that others are involved.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 03:53 PM

He was a far Right fanatic.
Of course he made contact with far Right individuals and groups.
Of course he had conversations with them.
My understanding is that Norway believes he acted alone.

Please do not start suggesting again that I have ever posted a racist idea, or that I am racist.
I have not, and am not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 04:41 PM

"My understanding is that Norway believes he acted alone."
Do you have an impeccible source for that?
The British police think both his and Ray's statements are serious enough to be acted on - he claims links with the English Defence League and with The Knights Templars, his actions were aimed at "waking up Europe"; god knows there are enough nutty racists around for some to possibly have heeded that call (we even have evidence of appeasers on this thread).
"I would not, as you have done include any other group or individual with him until concrete evidence is provided that others are involved."
What evidence do you want, another massacre? Surely you act on the side of caution where behaviour such as this is concerned?
I suggest you re-read Tommy Robinson's statement "the slaughter might wake Europeans up" fairly close to Breitvik's own.
As I said, early days; too early to take chances.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 08:07 PM

"Do you have an impeccable source for that?"

It has been widely reported that he is believed to have acted alone.

He has made links with far Right groups and individuals, as you would expect in the age of the internet.
A lone, obsessed Jihadist would have established links with extreme Islamist groups.
What would be the difference?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 09:02 PM

The attempted bomb attack in Exeter was by a lone deranged jihadist with links to extremists.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5619151.ece
Another lone Jihadist with links to Islamic extremists.
She stabbed an MP in stomach.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11682732

Neither their nor Breivik's crimes should be used as evidence in reasoned political debate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 10:02 PM

Jim, Accusing him of NOT acting alone in the Mudcat is doing nothing to fight crime. It is eroding your credibility.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 04:10 AM

"It has been widely reported that he is believed to have acted alone."
I'll take that as a "no" then.
The investigations have hardly started when you are suggesting that the police call off the hounds - I wonder why?
You have been presented with evidence that links this massacre with two racist groups in Britain - you have the public response to one of those groups, which you haven't even bothered to acknowledge, so here it is once again for you to ignore:
".....but he does not want to decry the beliefs that led to Breivik's actions.... "the slaughter might wake Europeans up".
There are other such groups scattered all over Europe and the stated aim of this guy was to stir such groups into action.
There have already been violent racist incidents in some of the former communist states, attacks on Roms and on immigrant workers.
And in the light of these attacks the governments concerned should sit on their hands - yeah, right, fits in perfectly with everything you have argued on racism so far!
"....accusing him of NOT acting alone"
Not accusing him of any such thing SJ, I am suggesting that until we know whether he was or not, and if his wake-up call has had any effect, you don't take chances, racism is too near the surface in Britain and elsewhere to ignore any possibilities, especially when you get statements like this that pass for serious debate on the subject of mass murder - not unsimilar to the reaction of the English Defence League:
"This guy is obviously mad,and his actions inexcusible, but it seems clear that his rage was directed towards governments which operate an "open door" policy to immigration.
Most Western governments are presently being forced to start closing the door as the idiocy of this policy becomes apparent.
Being against unrestricted immigration has nothing to do with hatred."
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 04:35 AM

Jim,
"The investigations have hardly started when you are suggesting that the police call off the hounds"

I somehow doubt that my posts will influence them much.
I am confident that they will explore the possibility of accomplices.
It really has been widely reported that he is believed to have acted alone.

His contact with far Right groups, as I keep saying, is what you would expect.
Even if he did act alone, others could be convicted of incitement, as happened with the female Jihadist I referred to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 04:45 AM

And Jim,
" fits in perfectly with everything you have argued on racism so far!"

I have only ever argued that it is abhorrent, as is your ongoing desperation to smear me with it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 04:48 AM

Jim...you never seem to tire of posting quotations out of context.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 04:57 AM

"I somehow doubt that my posts will influence them much"
I'm sure it won't - just look upon your insistence that the investigation into whether he acted alone is complete as confirmation of an earlier opinion of you.
Ake;
"Jim...you never seem to tire of posting quotations out of context."
Your statements have made position quite clear - perhaps you'd like to expand on them?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 06:46 AM

Jim,
"your insistence that the investigation into whether he acted alone is complete"
"My insistence"!!
Why do you say this stuff about me??!
What I actually said was, "it is believed he acted alone"!
What is your objection to that true statement of the current situation Jim???


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 07:25 AM

Another one bites the dust....


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 09:05 AM

"it is believed he acted alone"!
Where?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 09:35 AM

Backwoodsman
"Another one bites the dust.... "
You are of course right, this squabbling over inanities is certain to wreck yet another thread - apologies.
This enquiry has only just started - nobody knows anything for certain, whether the killer acted alone, if he had support from within or outside the country, whether he will be charged with murder or, as has been suggested, crimes against humanity, or will be declared not fit to plead due to insanity.
We cannot possibly know if his "wake-up call" will meet with any response; it is far to early to make definitive statements and it is both irresponsible and/or agenda-serving to make them.
This mornings press announced that the Norwegian police have launched what they estimate will be a year-long international enquiry into how he financed himself with money salted in bank accounts all over the world; the enquiry will involve the police forces of Britain, America and the Nordic countries.
At the present time we know nothing definite and that is how it will remain for a long time to come
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 10:23 AM

So associating his actions in this thread with English Defence League and with The Knights Templars, simply because the deranged lunatic claims links with these groups is, at best, premature?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 11:07 AM

Just as referring to him a deranged lunatic before he has even been given a psychiatrist, let alone having seen one, is premature, do you mean?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 11:47 AM

Or indeed the secret adopted son of Osama bin Laden avenging his father's death.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 12:03 PM

No I think the actions are proof enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 12:04 PM

Random selection Jim.

Police are increasingly certain that Anders Behring Breivik acted alonehttp://itn.co.uk/world/25055/Norway+police+Breivik+acted+alone
Breivik Acted Alone, Says Norway Intelligence Chief
http://www.businessinsider.com/norway-bomb-anders-behring-breivik-oslo-shootings-2011-7
Norwegian domestic intelligence chief Janne Kristiansen has told the BBC no evidence has so far been found linking Anders Behring Breivik with far-right extremists in Norway or elsewhere.

But Ms Kristiansen said she thought he had acted completely on his own.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14303363


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