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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 04:21 PM

Most people agree that the killer/killers are deranged, however I have pointed out time and again that they are inately as normal as you and I.

The conditioning inside a secret society combined with a near worship of guns and a like minded group of people feeding each other xenophobic fears until bigotry comes out thier ears is potent enough for normal people to join the darkside in surprisingly little time.

The social science experiments of assigning pretend prisoner or guard status shows the turn around to take only 3 days.
The experiments of normal people given a task of torture of another human will do so 80% of the time.

When children are put in competitive situations against a rival team conflict can be great.

Where there is hope for normal people resisting such social pressure when the opportunity for altruism exists. Altruism has a slight advantage.

Conforming to a group and its ideosyncracies is far more powerful for people who are repressed and lonely. Of course mudcaters being non conformists for the most part, singing protest songs and love songs gives them an advantage in being thier own person.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: pdq
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 04:36 PM

I read a recent article on "hate crimes" in the US.

It said the 67% of all "hate crimes" are directed at Jews (2 % of the population) and only 2 % were directed at Muslims (3 % of the population).


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 04:41 PM

I can believe that coming from a Jewish household, but the definition of hate crime might be leaving out many more "crimes of hatefulness" along racial lines.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 04:42 PM

I think that is more telling about the "articles" you read than anything else.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: freda underhill
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 06:08 AM

I think giving credence to this man`s hatred of a particular religious group is achieving exactly the outcome he wanted.

He represents a tiny group of extreme rightwingers (not so many of them in Norway) and to somehow make Muslims responsible for this atrocity is very manipulative.

A better way would be for all of us to look at our own bigotries towards any group and think how dangerous those feelings can be when they turn into generic hatred.

One answer is further restricting gun access, as we did in Australia after the Martin Bryant shootings. Our gun crime rate dropped considerably, and has stayed down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: freda underhill
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 06:10 AM

ps I've been planning a visit to friends in Oslo since early this year. One works in another government building, very close to the one that was bombed. He's grateful he wasn`t at work that day. I'll be interested to see what their views are when I get there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 08:37 AM

Stepping back to gain some perspective on this tragedy is, like stepping back into an abyss.

The bloody work of this home-grown fanatic will, no doubt, impact Norwegian society for years. No longer will people feel safe in their homes or in their towns, or even at a youth camp. It's hard to regain a sense of social sanity once it is challenged like this.

Racism, anti-Simitism, anti-Islamic sentiments, anti-immigrant paranoia all continue to challenge our own society's guiding principles.

I hope that the 10th anniversary of 9/11 passes as boringly uneventful but like all too many I dread what may happen.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 08:43 AM

"I think giving credence to this man`s hatred of a particular religious group is achieving exactly the outcome he wanted.

He represents a tiny group of extreme rightwingers (not so many of them in Norway) and to somehow make Muslims responsible for this atrocity is very manipulative.

A better way would be for all of us to look at our own bigotries towards any group and think how dangerous those feelings can be when they turn into generic hatred."

How can anyone take this view? This guy is obviously mad,and his actions inexcusible, but it seems clear that his rage was directed towards governments which operate an "open door" policy to immigration.
Most Western governments are presently being forced to start closing the door as the idiocy of this policy becomes apparent.

Being against unrestricted immigration has nothing to do with hatred.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 08:49 AM

The biggest problem with "liberals" is that they like everything tidy and taped into little boxes.

Life is no moe like that, than it is equal or democratic!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 08:52 AM

A previous poster stated that, "This guy is obviously mad, and his actions inexcusible"
Fair enough, he killed over 70 innocent civilians. But, wait a minute, the body count for innocent cilivian deaths as a result of the Iraq war is over 100,000! Does that make the British and American governments - and the armed forces - all "obviously mad" too?
And, if not, why not!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 08:54 AM

"Being against unrestricted immigration has nothing to do with hatred. "

Bringing it up in this context has a lot to do with bigotry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 09:03 AM

Jack...I was responding to Freda's post.

Many "liberals" here equate all opposition to immigration as "hateful"

You were quick enough to jump in an label me a bigot(above), when you should know very well that I am not.

This is symptomatic of people who define themselves by their labels,
I stated before that opposition to unregulated immigration is not confined to "right wingers"


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 10:16 AM

"On radio Glen Beck said "The kids in Norway at that political camp reminds me of the Hitler Youth, who does that? Thats disturbing." (Beck)

How can this man get it backwards everytime. - (Donuel)


Oddly enough Norwegians listening to the news reports on BBC World News actually made comments about this.

I believe the BBC described the Camp on Utřya as being a "Youth Labour Camp"

One of the Norwegians on hearing this said, "That sounds terrible put that way it sounds like Nazi Germany in the 1930's, I hope people realise what sort of camp it really is and what sort of organisation was running this week-end rally."

So I don't think he (Beck) was that far off but it was a comment he should not have broadcast. Youth political organisations are all a bit suspect and should be viewed with great scepticism.

"I am an immigrant jerkwad." - Jack the Sailor

Question for you Jack are you a legal immigrant jerkwad, or illegal immigrant jerkwad, living in the US of A as you do having moved South from Canada?

Figures for legal immigrants to US compared to figures or estimates of illegals in the country? I still say that the illegals figure will far and away be greater than the figure for legals. Now tell me why any other country's statistics should be any different?


Some more figures for you. A bit out of date (2007) but indicative none the less:

- Immigrants in Oslo who registered their religion as being Muslim was about 7.5%

- Actual percentage of the immigrant community in Oslo who were muslim but who had not registered their religion was just over 11%.

Translate that to todays figures about 90,000 registered uplifted by a factor of 1.47 gives you? 132,300 so not too far short of the 150,000 stated by the guy I heard being interviewed on it.

Unless you can come up with a way to explain why someone who did not register his religion in 2007 suddenly wants to do so now for both himself and his family? So that you have a disparity in 2007 yet come 2011 you do not - it does not make sense.

Akenaton is right:

"Being against unrestricted immigration has nothing to do with hatred."

Breivik attacked the Governing Political Party, infrastructure (Government Offices) and their organisation (Youth Organistaion - the latter in the hope that he would kill a prominent Member of the Arbeiderpartiet Gor Harlem Bruntland), who he blamed for unrestricted immigration into Norway he did not attack any group based on their race, colour or religion.

Yet to hear anybody come up with an explanation why Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami claimed the Oslo Bombing? Or is it that something that those discussing these attacks just wish to have conveniently ignored? Why did they want everybody to believe that they had done it? To stoke up racial tension perhaps? And yet they cannot be accused of being racist - ridiculous.

Looking round various countries the following seems to be the pattern:

- In areas with little contact with immigrants there will be higher opposition in principle to immigration

- In areas of higher unemployment there will be higher opposition to immigration

The first is lack of knowledge, the second is economic nothing to do with hatred of race, colour or religion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 10:42 AM

What's the point about speculating about the motivations of some Internet nut like "Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami"? Someone out there is always going to "confess" to just about anything that happens.

I imagine there was probably someone who claimed credit for the Japanese tsunami...


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 11:14 AM

"Someone out there is always going to "confess" to just about anything that happens."

Only limited to one per incident is it Kevin?

But no nut confessed to the 1993 attack on the World Trade Centre.

No nutter confessed to the 2001 atacks on the WTC and Pentagon.

No nutter claimed responsiblity for the London 7/7 attacks.

No nutter claimed responsibility for the Madrid 11/03 train bombings

Why did they claim responsibility for something they obviously did not do? It seems to me to be a reasonable question, as it would be proved conclusively to be a load of BS within hours of the incidents taking place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 12:23 PM

Didn't they? If you've checked you might be right, but I'd be very surprised.

Why do people claim responsibility for things they obviously didn't do? I don't know. But they do. "One of the most famous instances was in 1932, when 200 people came forward to claim responsibility for the kidnap and murder of the aviator Charles Lindbergh's baby in New Jersey." (From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7950613.stm">this BBC News Magazine site)

In a way it's the obverse of the coin for Conspiracy Theories. Something to do with wanting to be part of the action when something shocking happens.   Not a million miles from us writing posts here about it, it might be argued.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 07:28 PM

>>But no nut confessed to the 1993 attack on the World Trade Centre.
No nutter confessed to the 2001 atacks on the WTC and Pentagon.
No nutter claimed responsiblity for the London 7/7 attacks.
No nutter claimed responsibility for the Madrid 11/03 train bombings<<

I believe that you are wrong in each and every one of there cases. The Wiki page on 7/7 proves you wrong on that one. I really wish that you had enough respect for us to at least research the obvious before you Bull Shit ud.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 08:30 PM

Jack the Sailor you write a lot but say very little.

"I believe that you are wrong in each and every one of there cases."

Should of course read:

I believe that you are wrong in each and every one of those cases.

If so point out where smart ass by the way are you a legal immigrant jerkwad or a an illegal immigrant jerkwad you didn't say.

" I really wish that you had enough respect for us to at least research the obvious before you Bull Shit ud."

Could you possibly rephrase that in English??

Please answer the questions that have been put to you before asking any others.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 07:58 AM

I am unimpressed with advice in communication from someone to lazy to avoid hyperbole that, by comparison makes Glen Beck look fair and balanced.

Here is some plain English.

Put up or shut up.

Prove that no one else claimed responsibility for any of those incidents.

Or be considered a Bull Shitter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 08:13 AM

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/393042/july-25-2011/norwegian-muslish-gunman-s-islam-esque-atrocity?redirect=true


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 08:25 AM

Daily Show response


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 09:01 AM

Tell us who Mohammed Atef was.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 09:14 AM

Teribus I have no interest in conversing with you. But I will point out your Bullshit. Be a little careful about it, stop insulting our intelligence and you will not hear from me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 02:02 PM

The organisation who claimed responsibility for the 7/7 attacks in London was ......... wait for it ........... Al-Qaeda

Mohammed Atef was while still alive Chief of Operations responsible for the organising, planning and support of all attacks carried out by ......... wait for it ........ Al-Qaeda

The group or faction that took his name after he was killed in Afghanistan by forces attached to the US-OEF mission was part of which terror organisation ........ wait for it ....... Al-Qaeda

By Christ Jack if you had a brain you'd be dangerous.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 02:19 PM

I need to call BullShit again.

At least two groups claimed credit. At least one group was obviously a nutter claiming false credit.

It's not rocket science. Unless your world view is that all Muslims, are in the same group or that any people claiming to be part of Al Qaeda are not nutters.


Now please PROVE that NO one besides the perpetrators claimed credit for any or those attacks. Or shut up about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 07:02 PM

Good heavens Jack are you asking that I prove a negative?

Thought that was impossible. I made a statement you disputed it it is up to you to provide substantiation not me.

Khan tape mentioned Zawahiri, if Khan had received his training from the Atef group then all three could legitimately lay claim to responsibility all for the same organisation and all for the same cause.

The Islamist crowd that claimed responsibility for the Oslo bomb did so for one reason and for one reason only - they hoped to provoke a violent reaction in Oslo and in Norway against the Muslim community - they failed and the authorities were onto preventing that extremely quickly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 07:13 PM

Good heavens Jack are you asking that I prove a negative?

Good Heavens No! I am asking you to prove your claim. I know it is unprovable that is how I am showing everyone here that you are a Bull Shitter and and idiot. You claimed to know something that is not knowable and had the balls and stupidity to use that unprovable claim in an argument.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 07:16 PM

Here is a list of things you have to prove. You said it. Now prove it!

>>But no nut confessed to the 1993 attack on the World Trade Centre.
No nutter confessed to the 2001 atacks on the WTC and Pentagon.
No nutter claimed responsiblity for the London 7/7 attacks.
No nutter claimed responsibility for the Madrid 11/03 train bombings<<


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Jul 11 - 01:01 AM

Already disproved your assertion over 7/7

You are saying that somebody else claimed responsibility for the 1993 attack on the World Trade Centre - Should be simple enough for you so who?

You Jack are a bigot and a fool, you are indeed an immigrant jerkwad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Jul 11 - 02:39 AM

Wow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jul 11 - 03:47 AM

Whose turn is it in the barrel tonight?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Jul 11 - 05:59 AM

There's something very clumsy about claiming a series of negatives ("No nut confessed to..."), and then, when asked to back-up that claim, responding "...are you asking that I prove a negative?"

"I am not aware of any claims..." might have been a way of avoiding that trap.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jul 11 - 06:23 AM

That's a good point, McG. Unfortunately, when the tension and invective are ratcheted up the way they've been here and on the other 'Norway' thread(s), the concepts of careful construction of arguments and use of polished grammar have a tendency to leave the building.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Jul 11 - 06:41 AM

And that is one reason why careful construction of arguments is important, since it tends to counter that tendency for disagreements to be ratcheted up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jul 11 - 07:07 AM

Right on the button McG.
BTW, hope your health's holding up. Good to have your sagely words around here again!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jul 11 - 07:34 AM

The problem is that if he had said "I am not aware of", it would not have made his original argument and it would not have served his main purpose of belittling Kevin's argument. It also would not have pissed me off.

The fact is that Kevin was absolutely correct. There are nutters out there willing to claim almost everything. The Psych wards are full of people convinced that they are Jesus and Napoleon. To state categorically that it did not happen in several well known cases. is very reckless and arrogant. Is it not?

I also remember reports of different "groups" claiming responsibility for the 1993 bombing. Of course I do not remember the details. Such claims even then were common, even then they were little more than background noise.

Teribus has called me a bigot, he says I am a bigot because I am prejudiced against his ideas. That is not the definition I use for the word "bigot" is it yours?

This exchange has convinced me that Teribus, like many of his unfortunate political persuasion, is a Bull Shitter, talking in scientifically measured prose but pulling data out of his arse or out of the arses of the right wing xenophobic arseholes he likes to listen to on the radio. We should all take everything he says with a large grain of salt.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Jul 11 - 11:11 AM

But no nut confessed to the 1993 attack on the World Trade Centre.

You Jack are claiming that that statement is untrue decrying it as bullshit, yet when challenged to substantiate why you think it is untrue you are somehow unable to do so - sounds like its you thats doing the bullshitting.

In this instance the majority of those you did carry out the attack were either captured or killed. Operation financed by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

No nutter confessed to the 2001 atacks on the WTC and Pentagon."

Again Jack is unable to substantiate his claim that someone other than Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility for this attack, so on the face of it that statement of mine is perfectly correct and it is Jack that is bullshitting.

No nutter claimed responsiblity for the London 7/7 attacks.

This one has already been dealt with only one organisation has claim responsibility Al-Qaeda, so unless Jack comes up with information to the contrary this claim stands as being correct.

No nutter claimed responsibility for the Madrid 11/03 train bombings

Those who operationally carried out the attack, those who committed suicide after the attack, were described as a loose cell. The technical support (the design and construction of the bombs used) was obtained from the Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group who were taught to make the bombs in Jalalabad in Afghanistan by......wait for it.......Al-Qaeda.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jul 11 - 11:28 AM

No pal. You are the bullshitter. You made the outrageous claim. You need to support it.

Think about what McGrath of Harlow said.

"I am not aware of any claims..." might have been a way of avoiding that trap.

Even after that you claim that the burden of truth is on me. You have given yourself license in an argument to claim everything that is unprovable supports your side. Be careful with this. It will lead you to delude yourself. It may even lead you to think that your Bull Shit arguments matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Jul 11 - 06:32 PM

Ah, so in other words Jack you cannot substantiate your assertion that other organisations or groups claimed responsibility. Why not just say so. Put up or shut up, I have told you who did claim responsibility, now it's your turn to come up with your alternatives. If you can't then it is you who have been bullshitting not me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jul 11 - 06:53 PM

My words are clear enough for anyone to read. No one needs your skewed interpretation of them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 04:40 AM

Ah so definitely cannot come with the names of organisations or groups that claimed responsibilty for those attacks.

And your only complaint is that I did not "hedge" my bets in making the statement that I did - Pathetic.

Now tell me why the Jihadi Group attempted to claim responsibility for the Oslo Bomb? MGOH - Kevin I am asking a specific question, I do not want a whole rake of carefully hedged bullshit about, "well its what people do"

My belief is that they claimed it in the hope of fomenting trouble and creating a situation that they hoped to exploit in order to radicalise muslim youth in an area that really is rather peaceful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 05:13 AM

"Attack the missions of the United States, the UK, Australia and Norway and their interests, companies and employees. Turn the ground beneath their feet into an inferno and kick them out of your countries," - Ayman Al-Zawahri Taped Message aired by Al-Jezeera Television - Reported 21st May 2003

Oslo bomb 22nd July - Could this - www.norwaycup.no - have been the event that the terror group Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad wanted to stir things up at.

If so they have failed remarkably the tournament involving some 54 countries and thousands of young people is proceeding uniterrupted as planned.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Monique
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 05:39 AM

The link Teribus provided doesn't work, here it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 06:15 AM

Early days yet, but there is growing evidence of a link between the killings and the English Defence League.
According to this mornings Irish Times, in what is described as a "rambling statement"... Breivik has claimed links with the league," though oddly, he thinks that they are "anti racist, anti fascist and anti Nazi, and he decries them for accepting non-white members"
Leader of the league, Tommy Robinson condemns the killings "but he does not want to decry the beliefs that led to Breivik's actions.... "the slaughter might wake Europeans up""
Ex League activist Paul Ray, now head of the newly revived Knight's Templars, who claimes to have provided the inspiration for Breitvik's actions, has been detained for questioning by the British police.
Whether organisations or groups have "claimed responsibility" they all seem to have crawled out of the same cess pit.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 07:46 AM

>>Ah so definitely cannot come with the names of organisations or groups that claimed responsibilty for those attacks.<<

Its interesting that at first he said "no nutter" which would mean no individual or group. But to refute his unsupportable statement, which he refuses to defend he now demands the names of organizations. This is the way the bigoted mind works. This is how one holds bigotry in one's mind in the face of reasonable exrernal evidence.

Will he stop before he completely destroys all credibility on this forum?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 07:54 AM

Again, Bull Shit by Teribus. Invoking alleged 8 year old statements on this thread and thus implying that the events were linked.

If Teribus believes this paranoid crap, he should be talking to a mental heath professional rather than polluting this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 08:03 AM

Overheated rhetoric "pollutes the thread" as well as "paranoid crap". Absolutely no point to indulging in it. Might as well stand in a corner and shout.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 08:22 AM

Overheated rhetoric ... "paranoid crap"

Hardly "overheated". It seems a reasonable & accurate description of what's been expresed by this individual.

Now "pollute" may be inaccurate, but not by much.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 09:38 AM

"Will he stop before he completely destroys all credibility on this forum?"
Credibility????
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 09:41 AM

It was a rhetorical question.


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