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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 07:27 PM

Being left- or right- leaning politically makes it no more excusable than Hitler or Stalin was...or Timothy McVeigh or the Provos or the mob who killed Joseph and Hyrum Smith in Carthage, Illinois or the state militia gunning down strikers in the Pullman Strike or the Peterborough Massacre or....

I hope that we can learn from this individual what makes him tick and in that way hope to prevent such carnage in the future. Unfortunately, I don't believe can prevent such, not in this world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:47 PM

The opinions of all of us turn to anger. We yelled the killer is Muslim, no the killer is Jewish, no the killer is Christian, no the killer is right wing extremist. And we are lost, bickering among ourselves.

With all the reflection of research with science and religious study, justice will never satisfy; we fall into a loneliness and depression, and feel we can no longer cry.

His guns can light up the world. When he shoots he does not feel powerless. Still he feels every insult that's hurled. He thinks he has everything to gain if you could feel his pain and that is why he is so dangerous.

We will point to patterns of hate and we'll try to accept our fate but no one or thing will change the fight of the bestial proud predator in the man who believes he is Right.





Stilly river sage, you were exemplary in witholding characterizations so kudos to you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 09:32 PM

It pays to follow some links before assuming and speculating too much!"

http://kleinverzet.blogspot.com/2011/07/thought-and-prayer.html


"[UPDATE001] There is a vicious rumour going around that Fjordman is the Oslo shooter named Anders Breivik. Sites like LGF are gleefully running with this.

IT IS NOT TRUE!

From Gates of Vienna:
I was in conversation with Fjordman all day today, starting before the shootings, during the slaughter, and afterwards. If he was shooting up Utřya, he was doing an amazing job of communicating with his friends the whole time, even after he was thrown in a jail cell."


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: bfdk
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 02:12 AM

Twisted mind


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 02:37 AM

Donuel, well written. Thanks for sharing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: mg
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 02:57 AM

Sorry..but one thing could have stopped him and that would have been a sniper's bullet before 85 or 98 or however many people died. And granted, it was an island, and they couldn't find a boat (in Norway? Near an island?). But they say most police in Norway are unarmed. That is what happens. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Lox
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 05:49 AM

Right mg

Norway (and Britain) should Arm their police, like they do in your country, and our murder rate would be more like yours right?

Thanks you can keep it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 06:33 AM

"25% of 600,000 is 150,000. So even if every Muslim in Norway was an immigrant and they all lived Oslo, you would be off by more than a third."

Even at that the you are being a bit gentle on his figures. The CIA figures actually give the population of the country as only 4.691 million and Oslo at 875,000 (not the 600,000 originally quoted here) so at 1.8% of the country's population that gives a maximum 84,6000 Moslems and if they all lived in Oslo it would make it only 9.66% Moslem. If the figures quoted by the CIA site are correct of course.

The BBC seemed to initially be making a big thing about Islam being the second biggest religion in the country. It was stated more than several times. I imagine if we treat all the different forms of Christianity as one religion then Islam will be the second religion in virtually every European country. Something so normal doesn't seem to be so newsworthy!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 06:34 AM

Even at that the you are being a bit gentle on his figures. The CIA figures actually give the population of the country as only 4.691 million and Oslo at 875,000 (not the 600,000 originally quoted here) so at 1.8% of the country's population that gives a maximum 84,6000 Moslems and if they all lived in Oslo it would make it only 9.66% Moslem. If the figures quoted by the CIA site are correct of course.

The BBC seemed to initially be making a big thing about Islam being the second biggest religion in the country. It was stated more than several times. I imagine if we treat all the different forms of Christianity as one religion then Islam will be the second religion in virtually every European country. Something so normal doesn't seem to be so newsworthy!

SORRY THAT WAS ME


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 12:12 PM

I think Teribus has it about right. To start with, the guy must have been seriously deranged to perpetrate such an atrocity.

Secondly he appears to be an extreme Nationalist who has been driven over the edge by the policies of the Norwegian govt.
(Please dont try to mis-represent that statement)

As western economies worsen and living standards, pension rights, public services come under further attack,expect to see a backlash against the policies pursued by goverments in Western Europe over the last couple of decades.

Perhaps we may yet see Mr Powells "rivers of blood".....I certainly hope not, but action needs to be taken now to reverse some of the policies which have created the "time bomb"


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 12:18 PM

There is an open thread on the Who did it part. I'd like to bring this thread back to how awful it is for the Norwegians, and see how they will become more open in response to this atrocity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 12:18 PM

Sorry wrong thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 12:21 PM

The mad, like the poor, will always be with us. The poor are far easier to identify and do something for than the mad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 12:43 PM

What does "deranged" mean? And how is it relevant? This was clearly a very well planned action carried out by someone who remarkably well organised, highly articulate, and completely rational. Like so many other Nazis before him - and others.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Penny S.
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 12:59 PM

Logical, maybe. But in my book rationality demands a recognition of the realities of the world, and of the reality of other people.

He is clearly intelligent. He is capable of planning something effectively. I don't think that makes him not-mad.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 01:08 PM

On which basis much of Europe for much of the 20th century have to be judged as mad. Just for as start.

Possibly true. But not really a useful definition of madness.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Lox
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 09:46 AM

McGrath,

A psychopath is a person who is defined roughly as someone who is disconnected from any sense of empathy or understanding of the emotions of others.

Psychopaths are often intelligent and appear otherwise balanced, though they are without exception deeply narcissistic and motivated by selfish interests.

This guy fits that profile pretty comfortably.

The right wing connection aspect is a concern, but his behaviour clearly goes beyond the bounds of a healthy mental state.

All those who wish to excuse or to explain his actions via political considerations are deluded in the extreme.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Lox
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 09:48 AM

Correction,

"someone who is disconnected from any sense of empathy or understanding of the emotions of others."

should really read:

"someone who is disconnected from any sense of empathy or understanding of the humanity of others."


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 10:41 AM

"...someone who is disconnected from any sense of empathy or understanding of the humanity of others."

There's an awful lot of that around. At the heart of our society.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 10:52 AM

Initial reports deem him to be sane. Regarding his motivations, it seems to reflect a growing feeling shared by many throughout Europe at present, only difference is, he took it to the extreme. Governments must take some responsibility when individuals act in such a way. They ignore the silent voices at their cost it would seem.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 10:52 AM

""...someone who is disconnected from any sense of empathy or understanding of the humanity of others."

There's an awful lot of that around. At the heart of our society. "

Are you saying that the killer's psychopathy is common and "At the heart of our society."

I see a lot of greed and apathy and defeatism. Not as much homicidal psychopathy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 10:55 AM

I think most of Europe is pro-tolerance and sanity. I think that appeasing the homicidal bigots would be a grave overreaction.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: open mike
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 03:28 PM

this is so sad...I had not heard til last night....glad to hear the perpetrator is in custody.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 11:09 PM

Now are they saying a terrorist cell, or is that just US hype?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 12:10 AM

When you gather a bunch of repressed men with xenophobic tendancies and love the allure of secret societies that hold guns sacred, you get Right Wing militias who know they are always right. They will fight for thier right to show the world how right they are. That usually requires acts of horrific destruction. Remember they don;t have tools, they have guns.

It is the same old story and evolution of madmen like Hitler and his cronies.

Scandanavia has its share of dark hearted fascism under the banner of Nationalism. Its been that way for a long time. The propoganda we here is about a democratic utopia, but people being irrational, thereis a dystopia lurking in the crevices of Scandanavia.

What is odd here is that that they did not target the Muslim "invaders" but instead, the children of the Democratic party.
I guess they a thought a forward thinking plan to rid Norway of liberals in the future was preferable to killing Muslims.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 12:38 AM

I assume that they did kill Muslims. One of the young victims had a name that could be associated with that religion, or could not..of course a girl named Peggy O'Toole could be a Muslim or a girl named Fatma Izbuk could be a Presbyterian. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 07:43 AM

Some clarification on figures (11th January 2011):

Oslo district contains about 950,000 people

Oslo (the city) has a population of 596,973 people

Innvandrer (Immigrants) most live in Oslo (the city) 170,204

That amounts to 28.5% of the population of Oslo (the city)

"Registered" as being followers of Islam are just over 95,000, or 16% of the population.

Today in schools on the east side of Oslo Fjord 95% of the pupils come from minority non-Norwegian speaking homes. This figure is so high because "native" or indigenous Norwegian parents take their children out of these schools because of the slow rate of learning due to poor language skills of the bulk of the class who only use "norwegian" while they are in school.

By 2025 the projection is that 4 out of every ten people in Oslo (the city) will be of immigrant descent.

Immigration in Norway is the "elephant in the room", a massive silent majority is extremely concerned about it. While France, Germany and the UK are secular Parliamentary democracies, Norway is a Christian Society, religion is still extremely important to the population, no political party would ever challenge the role of the church and expect to survive the next election.

Norway only became a country in 1905, the people are very proud of their country and are very "nationalistic". If you go and live in Norway - YOU MUST become Norwegian, Norway DOES NOT CHANGE to accommodate you irrespective of your language and culture. You live by their standards and you do not introduce your own. There have been massive reactions to such practices as "arranged marriages" and "honour killings" both totally unacceptable in modern Scandinavian society. The message from the majority is fairly clear, if that is how you want to conduct your lives - do so elsewhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 07:49 AM

Teribus, further clarification

96 k is considerably less than 25% of 596 k


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 07:53 AM

I think I may have mentioned this elsewhere and it answers why the gunman targeted who he did.

He may have been against a perceived Islamic "invasion" of Europe (& Sacndinavia) but his target was the political party he associated with allowing and even encouraging this to happen.

mg asked why he had not been shot by a sniper. Had that political rally not been held on that island (owned by the Worker's Youth League), if it had been held in any rural community on the mainland the gunman would not have lasted 15 to 20 minutes before someone would have shot him. The country is awash with guns and people who know how to use them (Hunters; Bi-Athletes; Target Marksmen; Home Guard & Army Conscripts - all of whom, except the last mentioned, have guns and ammunition immediately available at home)


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 08:01 AM

That's registered Jack.

You live in the USA correct? How many immigrants live in the USA according to official figures? Now how many immigrants live in the USA more? Less? The same?

Years ago I had to have my Passport renewed by the British Embassy in Oslo. I was asked to register my religion as the Anglican Church got a tax break on number of members. As I am not an anglican I refused. Lots of Muslims from the former Yugoslavia, from Turkey, from Palestine and other Arab countries come to Norway and hide their real nationality and their religion as they affect their employment prospects.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 08:04 AM

mg

"of course a girl named Peggy O'Toole could be a Muslim"

Ehm No - If you convert to Islam you take an Islamic Name


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 08:10 AM

"Lots of Muslims from the former Yugoslavia, from Turkey, from Palestine and other Arab countries come to Norway and hide their real nationality and their religion as they affect their employment prospects. "

Teribus,

Admit it, you pulled that figure from your ass, and even if were so, 5 million people in the country, 170 k Muslims, all conveniently in Oslo city as you say, hardly a tsunami of immigration. If by 2020 as you say, they are 40% the still won't even have a majority vote for city council.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 08:48 AM

Now are they saying a terrorist cell, or is that just US hype?

You mean U.S. paranoia, don't you? Today Oslow, tomorrow Los Angeles.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 09:04 AM

Breikvik himself talks of cells.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 09:05 AM

My "enemy" is right on the button here.

Read and learn!

Well said Sir!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 09:07 AM

a "terrorist cell" by definition is simply a very small group of people, not directly in contact with any others. That is about the least scary thing in this whole discussion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 09:10 AM

But I'd not put too much credence on anything he says. Wouldn't dismiss it out of hand, and it should be investigated, and makes it sensible to isolate him - but he's all the hallmarks of a fantasist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 11:30 AM

"Teribus,

Admit it, you pulled that figure from your ass, and even if were so, 5 million people in the country, 170 k Muslims, all conveniently in Oslo city as you say, hardly a tsunami of immigration. If by 2020 as you say, they are 40% the still won't even have a majority vote for city council."


Do you work at being so deliberately obtuse? Or is does it just come naturally?

1: I told you where the figure came from an interview and the immigrant population of Oslo (the city) is according to figures published by the Kommune 28.5% (The guy in the interview stated 25%) - Admittedly not all Muslims only about 55% of them.

2: If that 170,000 is camped right next door to you and you lived in f**kin' China it would still appear that you had been "invaded" albeit "locally". In the good ol' US of A I dare say that the native Americans did not think that the Pilgrim fathers would be much of a problem - How many Palefaces to how many Indians?? - How did that pan out for the indigenous population Jack? Multiculturalism at work.

Oh you never did pay me the courtesy of answering my question about the declared number of immigrants living in the USA compared to the actual number including illegals. But come on Jack admit it you could probably take the official figures and triple them (how many amnesties have you guys had to have now?).

3: Your last sentance there Jack is breathtakingly stupid - they would politically own central and the eastern districts of Oslo - Then just wait for the next election.

Hells teeth I can see why people might be getting worried, what I completely and utterly fail to see is why 100-odd people the vast majority of them youngsters between the ages of 15 and 19 have to die just to attract attention of the nation in order that this twat could voice his concerns in a court of law.

By the bye, the sentencing available under Norwegian Law, is that if he is considered to be a continuing danger to society he more or less in theory can be held indefinitely - he goes up for review as his term comes to an end and he is just returned to prison until the next review. He more or less guaranteed himself that when he came out with the "Not criminally responsible bullshit".


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 01:19 PM

"From: Teribus - PM
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 09:05 AM

The "immigrant muslim community" of Oslo amounts to 25% of the population"

"I told you where the figure came from an interview and the immigrant population of Oslo (the city) is according to figures published by the Kommune 28.5% (The guy in the interview stated 25%) - Admittedly not all Muslims only about 55% of them."

55% of 28% is a little under 15% As I said before, even allowing for all of your hyperbole, you are off by more than 1/3.

Rather than continuing to restate the same stupid statement why don't you simply admit that you misstated the facts? That should not be so hard since you have already attributed the error to hearsay. Hearsay from some TV interview which you have obviously misinterpreted or misremembered.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 01:38 PM

Jack I misunderstood and mistated what was reported - Happy??

Meanwhile, the situation remains very much the same and people in Norway are extremely worried about it and so they should be. The concerns voiced by the person interviewed are not rendered meaningless or irrelevant because he muddled his percentages.

While measures taken against a terrorist organisation as Bush did with Al-Qaeda and their Taliban hosts can halt that organisation dead in its tracks and get everybody muttering about asymmetric warfare. The lesson thrown out by last Friday's rampage shows what one person with a modicum of knowledge, a bit of training and a great deal of planning can do.

Through the strands of the intelligence communities web it is possible to detect the preparation and planning being undertaken by a group. It is virtually impossible to detect the likes of Breivik because his "security" is rock solid right up until he acts and by then it is too late.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 01:43 PM

"Meanwhile, the situation remains very much the same and people in Norway are extremely worried about it and so they should be. The concerns voiced by the person interviewed are not rendered meaningless or irrelevant because he muddled his percentages."


No I am not happy. I am not happy because you are not only careless and ill informed. You are expressing horrible bigotry. You are misstating and exaggerating to do so. My only comfort is that, ill informed and careless with the facts as you are, you have nearly no credibility.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 02:12 PM

And you have lived and worked in Norway for how many years Jack??


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 02:21 PM

I am an immigrant jerkwad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 02:30 PM

What a thoughtful memorial for those who died.
Well done, gentlemen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 03:15 PM

A lone obsessive like Breivik could have just about any kind of belief system, and be just as dangerous. Seeing him as somehow representing anything and anybody other than himself is to miss the point.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: pdq
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 03:34 PM

The horrible atrocities committed by Breivik must be condemned by all rational people.

However, that does not mean that there is not a problem with excess Islamic immigration in many countries, not just Norway.

Having an unassimulated minority in someone else's country will eventually cause problems. Likely lots of bloodshed or civil war.

All immigrants should ask to be accepted. Those who just show up uninvited are asking for trouble.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 03:36 PM

You are right Sinsull, the moral should be small minded bigots reinforcing the purpose of the crime.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 03:59 PM

On radio Glen Beck said "The kids in Norway at that political camp reminds me of the Hitler Youth, who does that? Thats disturbing."

How can this man get it backwards everytime.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 04:06 PM

I believe it's what he does for a living. Apparently there are lots of Americans who enjoy it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 04:10 PM

A lot of people on this forum who I hope would be disgusted by that statement admire and defend him as a "friend of Israel." Is Israel better off with or without such "friends?"


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