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Subject: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 02:31 PM

According to Nicholas Watt in a Guardian blog on Wednesday, Thatcher's allies believe that Palin is "a frivolous figure who is unworthy of an audience". One of Thatcher's "allies" is reported to have said, "Lady Thatcher will not be seeing Sarah Palin. That would be belittling for Margaret. Sarah Palin is nuts."


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 03:55 PM

Richard, I'm sure you will have spotted that the comment from a so-called ally doesn't actually amount to Lady Thatcher calling Palin nuts.

The Blessed Margaret is quite fragile these days (while hanging my coat up prior to attending a Road Safety Bill committee session in the House of Lords a few years ago I was asked by Palace of Westminster staff accompanying her along the corridor to move out of the way lest she might trip over me and fall). I'm doubtful whether she knows or cares who Sarah Palin is. And while not one of Hilda Margaret's fans, I doubt whether she'd have had time for SP while she was still in possession of her faculties.

Kitty


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 05:01 PM

Hence the question mark


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 05:31 PM

Is Palin smart enough to be nuts?


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 05:49 PM

The term "nuts" is a bit indefinite. Do we mean "deranged", "mad", "incompetent", "has a screw loose", "daft", "out of the loop", "empty-headed" or merely "irretrievably stupid"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 06:07 PM

Not that I'd imagine Thatcher using it, I think one would need to precede "nuts" with the "f" word to get "deranged".

Maybe "potty"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 06:08 PM

How about "soft in the head" or "bonkers"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 06:10 PM

"bonkers" sounds good to me...


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 06:22 PM

Bonkers are little drums, right?


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 06:33 PM

How about "living in some other world than this one"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 07:05 PM

What question mark?


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: John P
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 07:09 PM

She's not really nuts. She's just shallow, ignorant, self-involved, and clueless.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 07:11 PM

She's also the best post-war Prime Minister that we've ever had


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 07:18 PM

Poster is Rapparee
Sarah Palin? That's who I was talking about.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: kendall
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 07:29 PM

Not threaded all the way on.
Has a room upstairs that's not finished.
Comes from the shallow end of the gene pool
Two bricks shy of a load.
One wheel in the sand
Doesn't have both oars in the water
Thinks Western Union is cowboys underwear.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 07:37 PM

takes one to know one....


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 07:42 PM

A whole picnic shy of a sandwich.
Swaps out tires to see which one is flat.
Isn't buckled up very tight.
Good ship, but the sails are missing.
The horses are hitched but the wagon's missing.
Mounts from the wrong side of the horse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 07:44 PM

No Teribus, not the best and not post-war because MT started another war. As did Tony Blair. The best Prime Minister since WW2 was Clem Attlee...

Kitty


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: GUEST,Wayne. near Baltimore
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 08:25 PM

Has had one too many cars slip off the jack.
Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Someday the media will lose interest, she'll grow older, no longer cute, bitter, but still mouthing off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 01:48 AM

Going by what you say, it sounds like she'll end up just like a lot of people on this forum, Wayne.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 03:37 AM

My how they hate a strong opinionated woman.

T's right Thatcher did what had to be done from her perspective and for what she saw as the interests of the Capitalist system....and it worked .....dont moan about the poor or the unemployed, this system just wants to dig a hole and bury them.

Blair in contrast was motivated by self interest and personal power.

Sarah is an idealist......searching for ideals....thats where you come in, shes the only popular politician that I've seen for decades who seems willing or able to tackle the "liberal democratic party system"


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 04:14 AM

The relevant thing for Thatcher wouldn't be whether Palin was nuts or bonkers or whatever, but whether she was "one of us".

I suspect that her verdict might actually have been that she was.

As for "tackling the liberal democratic system", in itself that isn't necessarily an indication you're going to improve matters. After all, that's what Hitler set out to do with some success. Hitting a faulty computer with a hammer is one way of tackling it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Silas
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 07:07 AM

"She's also the best post-war Prime Minister that we've ever had "

Hey Joe, can you move this to the 'Joke' thread?


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Stu
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 07:20 AM

There's little doubt Thatcher was also motivated by self-interest and personal power as she obviously saw elements of herself in Blair, I would suggest an ego the size of a small moon and the misguided self-delusion she was actually quite clever. As for being the best post-war British PM what todge, Clement Attlee oversaw the foundation of the NHS and that alone means his contribution to the well-being of the citizens of this island far outweighs that of a war-mongering destroyer of British manufacturing old scrote like Thatcher.

That she won't see Palin is more to do with the fact the old bat has dementia than some sudden elevation of status (unless in the imagination of those servile lickspittles that still worship her) and is being well-looked after by her cadres. Seeing the appalling way her and her government of eunuchs treated my Nan when she had dementia she should thank her lucky little stars she's not as badly off as those at the poorer end of the income scale she didn't give a shit about earlier on in her career.

Never mind, it's infuriated Rush Limbaugh so that's something. Always nice to see the right-wingers turning on each other like the nasty little pit bulls they are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 09:31 AM

Oooh, I wish I'd said that!


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 09:53 AM

Pit bulls aren't nasty...like certain radio "commentators" and politicians.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Stu
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 10:08 AM

Of course Thatcher heirs Osbourne and Mandleson have rocked up at the latest Bilderberg conference in Switzerland, the mutual masturbation club for the rich and wealthy run by an ageing FIFA-advising war criminal and a royal tart from abroad. Here the great unelected will choose how the world is run for another year or so, all the while making sure the people actually paying for it are kept outside in the cold, who this year are trying to peer over the toss-rag they've chucked over a hotel fence to make sure the kids don't see anything untoward. Thatcher was a member of the club of course, meeting as they did in Torquay on the English Riviera in 1977.

In this respect, Palin's a complete irrelevance as she's hardly likely to be invited as she's way too original a character, even though her ultra right-wing, gun-toting loony world-view must appeal to many there. Bilderberg's for the amoral type of scuzzer who likes to attach themselves remora-like to the buttocks of the sort of person that most of society wouldn't entrust their pets to for an evening in case they came home to find the blood sucked from their lifeless, limp bodies. For instance, the hedge funds who are buying up vast swathes of African farmland in murky, possible illegal deals, displacing the farmers who live there and then turning the lot over to biofuel production, causing further food supply problems for the poor but massive profits for the rich.

Business as usual really.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 10:24 AM

It's not mentioned a lot anymore, but much of Palin's activity is orchestrated by her husband, who largely ran her term as Governor of Alaska... probably breaking several laws in the process. He stays in the background, milking this cash-cow for all it's worth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 10:29 AM

In the background, milking a cow....he must be a bloody contortionist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 11:14 AM

""war-mongering destroyer of British manufacturing old scrote like Thatcher.""

Two points here:-

1. Thatcher responded to an attack on British territory by a foreign power, and the loopy left call her a warmonger. One can only guess what their response would be if she had said "Fuck the Fawklands, let the Argies have 'em!", but I'll bet my pension there would have been a storm of comment about the Tories not giving a damn for the poor working men of this British territory.

Damned if she did, and damned if she didn't, at least her war was one of defence.

2. Destroyer of British Manufacturing, again according to the loopy left.

The truth? The skids were put under British Manufacturing by the Unions, with able assistance from Harold (The Mac) Wilson, Rentawimp Ted Heath, and Bluff Jim Callaghan (all bluff). By the time Maggie T got into the act she was just in time to see it disappearing over the cliff edge.

And yes, I do know there is a Tory in there, but he was too ineffectual and the unions ate him up and spat out the pips, so he wasn't responsible for anything much.

The other two did a grand job on the economy too, between them devaluing the Pound, and sending both inflation and interest rates into orbit, from which Maggie T was tasked with recovering.

No wonder that the Tories have to make unpopular decisions. They have spent the first three years in every term of government since the 1964 election unscrambling Labour's fuckups.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Musket
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 11:19 AM

Dementia is a sad way to pass your final years. In Th*tcher's case, it is double sad as I for one would have liked her to sit and ponder on her actions and the consequences.

As far as seeing Palin is concerned and Th*tcher's view of her if she was capable of having one? The idea reminds me of a local saying around these parts;

"All the world's queer except me and thee, and I'm not too sure about thee."


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 11:38 AM

Oh oh, there goes another nut. Or two if you count Mather mithering.

Check again Don. In which direction was the Belgrano sailing when sunk? Remember, Snatcher trued to duck that question 3 times in the house, but eventually had to tell the truth. You might try the same medicine.

Oh, and you need to check again about manufacturing too. You might not like the idea of a fair day's work for a fair day's pay (unless it's you getting the pay of course) and that too was the problem with the 60s and 70s. Workers were at last able to get a fair crack of the whip but shareholders and managers kept milking the companies as before - result as seen. Then Thatcher deliberately engineered a recession to humble the workers - never mind that it killed industries too. But she never even tried to tame the bosses. Nor do the current arseholes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Stu
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 12:11 PM

It was Thatcher's monetarist policies that did for manufacturing, plain and simple. As for the Falklands, it was an war she did nothing to prevent and won another election on the back of it at a time when she was deeply unpopular. She revelled in that conflict, saying at the time it made a change from dealing with "mundane issues like the environment".

Loopy left? Are you a Sun reader or something? At least be original and not so hackneyed and dull in your stock retorts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 01:45 PM

Are you 100% sure SP knows who Thatcher is anyway?

I bet she's got Thatch down as the one that rode all night and rang the bells to warn the Argentinians.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Musket
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 02:07 PM

Mithering?

Dozy (steady Mather, you promised Joe you wouldn't get angry..) old sod. I'm having a pop at Th*tcher, not agreeing with Don! (Although I do a lot of the time, Don, I just reckon giving Th*tcher any credit for anything is not something I can do just yet.)

Ok Bridge, this is Th*tcher so stop thinking I automatically disagree with you, because as much as I don't rate your opinions an any of the issues I have read to date, my enemy's enemy is not necessarily my friend. This is Th*tcher, remember? The one who called my profession the enemy within whilst using your profession to fetter us and our communities.

Oh, in response to another thread, I just googled McLibel thanks. But started typing McDonalds by mistake. Only got as far as McD and hit the return key. Interesting....


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: gnu
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 02:50 PM

The Falkland Islands? I found it odd they would would Falk with the Brits in the first place. They got what they wanted... a fight they could not win.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 06:28 PM

Mither: I am not actually aware of your "profession". Do tell. Your accusation at my profession relates merely to part of it.   I half expected Mr Google to find something interesting on "McD" - it was a moniker some large-income lawyers gave me - but 5 pages in there is nothing. You seem to be a bit obsessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: pdq
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 06:37 PM

"Oh oh, there goes another nut. Or two if you count Mather mithering." ~ Richard "Low" Bridge

This Bridge fool is Britain's equivalent of our Greg F'ing Moron. The low point in Mudcat's history. Perhaps both can find a more suitable forum to push their daily haterd and let the rest of the civilized posters live in peace.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 03:28 AM

Did you have a point to make, Quicky?

Are you not in some difficulty here? Two right wing nutjobs disagree with each other. Which are you going to side with?


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 04:35 AM

Let's get something straight. I AM NOT RIGHT WING!

But I hate blinkered liars who try to transfer the responsibility for fuckups to the opposition. British manufacturing was killed, not by attempts to achieve a fair wage, but by stupid actions of the trades unions demanding 40 and 50 percent pay increases which would have bankrupted their companies and thrown THEM out of work,

Add to that stupid demarkation disputes in which we saw strike after strike over who did what. It got to the point where it almost required two men to fit a nut and bolt, one for the nut, and a second to apply the bolt.

By 1970, there were so many strikes that British goods could not be delivered, and with eager competitors all round the world just waiting for the chance, it was bye bye Britain.

There was also the question of quality. The motorcyle industry had stagnated, and was producing bikes that were the same as those made during and just after WW2. Enter Honda, exit Norton, Triumph et al.

I don't think I need to go further. It is obvious that all this happened, and happened pre-Thatcher.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Silas
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 04:48 AM

Hi Don

I can't argue with what you have said, but it was not all trade unions that caused the problem. The management of british industries was dreadful, the motor industry in particular suffered from chronic lack of investment and terrible management practices, they were turning out crs that were simply revised designs of cars that were designeed in the 1950's, the BMC engines were hoplessly outdated. British Leyland lost £200.00 on every Mini (its most popular model, people were on wqaiting lists for them) this was not a marketing ploy or because of production difficulties, it was because BL management decided on the retail price before costing its manufacture!


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 04:53 AM

"She's also the best post-war Prime Minister that we've ever had "
She was a political thug who tore Britain in half, dismantled its industrial base and took away what little say working people had in their own lives.
Her last notable political act was to use her influence to help torturer and mass-murderer Augusto Pinochet escape being brought to trial for his crimes.
Her legacy to Britain
"there is no such thing as society".
Palin and Thatcher - sisters under the skin.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 04:59 AM

Actually, Don, you were not the rightwing nutjob to whom I was referring but anyone with the devotion to the oppression of his own class that you seem to display has to have more than the occasional screw loose.

Workers were only after a fair crack of the whip to replace the -er- crack of the whip of the oppressor.

The problems of the motor-cycle industry were largely design issues - a pattern later repeated with Hesketh and the Meriden co-operative - and a management decision to focus effort on the non-expanding sector. The Japanese (and later competitor) bikes were cheap transport, and if you consider the British designed attempts to counter the flow, for example the Raleigh Roma scooter, the Raleigh Wisp moped etc they were turkeys through and through and without the packaging flair (again not a worker issue) of the Italian stylists. The Germans also got parts of that very wrong, for example the NSU Quickly and the Heinkel scooters.

Reliability on say the Morris Minor was second to none and it remains a sought after classic today, but I believe the material costs were high leading to low profit margin. The Mini I believe never made a profit - the design was too expensive to make.

None of these were worker problems.

The management practices at Ford could very probably have been treated as constructive dismissals today - but the law of unfair dismissal did not exist at the time.

Standard-Triumph were killed not by workers, but by the pad decisions (remember the Standard 8 adn Standard 10) of the Black family who ran it - and as for the Sunbeam Tiger - a v8 on a Hillman Husky chassis, the widowmaker of its day.


Your slavish adherence to capitalist dogma low taxation and unfettered management powers is indeed right wing. The fact that at the same time you bewail your own historic lack of job security, the lack of state funding for certain charities (eg the one for which you used to drive), your own paucity of welfare rights (dentistry), and the effect of age discrimination against you (married women's pensions) show that you are irrationally right wing at that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Musket
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 05:03 AM

You know Bridge, if you read what I put, you will know what my profession was at the time of Thatcher, by my statement regarding the enemy within.

Don, I fully agree that manufacturing industry was in decline in the '70s, unions confusing their obligations to members with their larger political aims and yes, Red Robbo & co typify our decline. That doesn't mean Th*tcher is off the hook though. You don't solve a problem with throwing the baby out with the bath water. She could have tried to save our manufacturing powerbase but that meant keeping strong unions, and if you get rid of the industry, you get rid of the union influencing it. She became obsessed with the city, despite her chancellor Lawson ensuring sterling had no future as a reserve currency. I am no financial genius but even I can put that in the same file at Brown flogging off the gold with prices at an all time low.

I am not obsessed with anything Bridge, apart from Sheffield Wednesday. Steamin' Willie mentioned in the pub that as I had come across you and your views, he told me you are beyond redemption, so better not try to argue with you. Mind, he also told me to go on your corporate website to see if you practice what you preach. You see, he knows you and actually gets on with you whilst keeping his moniker to himself. But even he thinks your attitude towards what you call "bastard conservatives" and "corporate thieves" is a bit rich when you boast for all to see how you got rid of all your staff, replaced them with computers and then use that as a marketing advantage in passing savings on to clients.

Th*tcher would be proud of you. Palin would be err... "Say, any moose here in Kent?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Stu
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 07:02 AM

"But I hate blinkered liars who try to transfer the responsibility for fuckups to the opposition."

Nice. More name calling. The responsibility for the decline of British manufacturing certainly does lay partly with the unions I would agree, but Thatcher made a concerted effort to change Britain's reliance on manufacturing (a massive strength with a huge knowledge base and skill set) to an economy based on service industries and technology. Whilst we still lead in technology (for the time being - watch China) there has been the realisation since (and even John Major had the wit to recognise this) that the way to a more stable economy was to actually produce goods. Unfortunately, by the time Thatcher had finished turning us all from citizens to consumers, she had essential decimated a manufacturing base that had existed uninterrupted since the industrial revolution. Perfectly viable small family companies went to the wall due to her creating a US style sort of cut-and-thrust economic environment that encouraged the type of competition we still see today.

Of course, her failure economically was this total commitment to the free market. Their failure to regulate themselves (a pipe dream is ever there was one) led directly to the banking crash we are all still paying for (a global catastrophe to be sure, but the UK's own demise was overseen by pseudo-Thatcherite wonks Blair and Brown - but largely supported by the Tories except for the last 18 months before the election). The service industries she so loved are all heading en masse to the far east where the masses are cheaper to exploit and have few or no rights to get in the way of making shareholders a profit.

In the meantime, Britain has become a country of desolate, wind-blown out-of-town retail parks with their vast, empty car parking fields surrounded by gaudy, ugly corrugated metal sheds peddling their wares to the shuffling soporific masses blundering through them. Industrial and 'enterprise' estates built on green-belt land, inevitably half-finished with the human equivalent of factory farms squatting in a sadly threatening low-rise two-teired way, all receptions and meeting rooms and open-plan divided-into-booths offices where the employees of US hedge-fund owned companies blearily slave to try to keep their jobs from joining the exodus into the rising sun.

This is the result of the Thatcher years for ordinary people. In recent re-appraisals of the miners strike there can be little doubt that Thatcher's and McGregor's heavy-handed and brutal tactics to towards people who understood that their very communities and culture was under threat now looks (as it did to many at the time) unfair, vindictive and immoral. The police have never been the same since; Orgreave set in motion the sort of copper mentality that has repercussions this very day with thuggish yobs in uniform kettling peaceful protestors and assaulting and even killing them seemingly without recourse, or at least years of battle against the reticent, self-protecting authorities.

Nationalisation, the destruction of long-established communities, industries and cultures and trust between the people and the police, the ever-widening gap between rich and poor, the loss of our economic powerhouse, greed is good, no such thing as society, pander to dictators that are on our side and fuck the people they oppress, look after number one etc etc

These are Thatcher's legacies and now our fractured, sick society is paying the price.

And Don, don't ever call me a liar again please. If we differ in our opinions that's one thing and you can call me (if you must use names) a fat twat, smug bastard, pompous git or anything else that floats your boat, but calling someone a liar is bang out of order when they're not and I take deep offence to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 07:42 AM

Try again Mither.

I left the corporate blankets of city firms, which I despise, and set up entirely on my own. Didn't sack a single person. Do try to get some facts right. Later I merged in to my current operation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 10:26 AM

Who gives a rat's ass what Thatcher said about Palin

and really

who gives a rat's ass about Thatcher or Palin ... do you ??


biLL ... getting out of this thread and the madcat to do some gardening


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Max Johnson
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 11:56 AM

The late Jake Thackeray once said "I don't mind people being nutters if they don't mind if I take the piss out of them".

And... you know... I feel that we can all learn a little bit from that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Musket
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 12:23 PM

Always one to learn from Jake Thackeray. He also said something that both people this thread is about could learn from. "I cannot tolerate intolerance."

Bernard Wrigley summed up Mr Thackeray. "Anybody who can write a song with the opening line, "I love a good bum on a woman, it makes my day" must be a genius."

Number 6 has it right. I have just been in the garden, came back to google a plant I reckon is dying... and found myself looking at this thread again. Bridge is right too, I must be obsessed with something. Perhaps amazed at some of the tripe being served. Th*tcher and Palin meeting wouldn't really be a meeting of minds, and this thread isn't going to work out who can be most right wing with their comments. I may / might get a beer now.

Love my new name by the way Bridge. I will just refer to you as Bridge if that's ok. I can't top M'Unlearned Friend" or "Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! so won't try.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Thatcher rightly calls Palin nuts?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 01:07 PM

Ah, Mither. Try Wiktionary.

When did mining become a profession?


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