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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Wesley S
Date: 13 Jun 11 - 08:00 AM

Here's a song I found that y'all may like:


Sarah Palin's Magical History Tour


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 06:26 PM

I ignore trolls.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,999
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 02:33 PM

"The far left has this strange obsession with Sarah Palin. If they were half as objective with Barack Oblabbo, they'd be hitting the ceiling, with what a phony he is!"

At last, you have said 'they' are objective. You just said she's a phony. Good for you. The first of 12 steps. -;

I was trying to do a wink there. Can't be arsed to do it 'til I get it right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Neil D
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 01:52 PM

Colbert as Revere per Palin


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: EBarnacle
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 10:18 PM

Frog Pince, you misquoted him. It was "Murkin guns"


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 06:08 PM

He seems a lot more intelligent than Bush but I thought he was going to be refreshingly different in some way. As a Uker with no republican / democrat allegiance to make up my mind whether I should hate him or love him, he seems like just another American president to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 05:40 PM

"The far left has this strange obsession with Sarah Palin."

*grin*...It seems almost everyone is fascinated with her ability to keep milking the system without DOING anything relevant or KNOWING anything useful.

As for Obama... you toss out appellations like 'phony' with no explanation or evidence. Just labeling him proves nothing. He is intelligent, educated, dedicated and hard working and keeps getting stuff done despite rabid, frothing attempts to interfere by right-wing slogan-flingers. I'd hate to see ANY of the potential Republican candidates try to deal with current problems.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 05:12 PM

The far left has this strange obsession with Sarah Palin. If they were half as objective with Barack Oblabbo, they'd be hitting the ceiling, with what a phony he is!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: frogprince
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 09:48 PM

Like Patrick Henry said, "Give me my good old American guns or give me death".


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 08:48 PM

You gotta admit she's got more people aware of Longfellow, and quoting him than anyone in the last 60 years.

I wonder if she could do the same with John Greenleaf Whittier and Barbara Freitchie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 06:10 PM

JUSTICE FOR ISRAEL BISSEL!!!!!!

Too long has he been denied his rightful place in history by the upstart Paul Revere!


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 01:57 PM

My favorite was when the Vikings brought the Holy Grail to America. They'd gotten it from the Knights Templar.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 11:40 AM

IF SARAH PALIN RAN THE HISTORY CHANNEL

Sarah Palin or someone equally erudite DOES run the History[sic] Channel which, under existing "truth in advertising" statutes, should bill itself as the Fairytale Channel, the Myth Channel, the BS Channel, or possibly all three.

No real, actual historical fact need apply; the nonsense is so much more popular.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: J-boy
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 12:49 AM

I try to laugh but mostly I want to cry. It is so very sad that in the 21st century there are those still living in the dark ages. They will be the death of us all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Lighter
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 07:27 PM

Our overseas cousins may not realize that Michelle Bachmann, while less of a publicity hound, is farther right and somewhat less clever than Sarah Palin.

For example, Bachmann warned her constituents in 2010 not to answer questions on their census forms because the Socialists of Obama's Big Government could use that information against them, particularly
if they were gun owners.

When Bachmann was told that advising people to throw away their census forms was technically urging them to commit a felony, she told them instead just not to list their phone numbers (which was optional). That way Obama's thugs can't call them on the phone.

She also made a speech to a Tea Party gathering in which she praised the Founding Fathers for making sure that the Constitution prohibited slavery. There was applause, because the Tea Party is anti-slavery.

So stay tuned.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 06:09 PM

IF SARAH PALIN RAN THE HISTORY CHANNEL


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 02:41 PM

And that's not the worst of it... as may be witnessed in the next week or so.

Having said that, what has this got to do with Sarah?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 01:50 PM

The water and air are just fine you betcha


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 01:50 PM

The water and air are just fine you betcha


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 01:05 PM

As I said, LH - and if I may quote the late lamented Daniel Partick Moynihan, the brain-dead are "entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts".

Q.E.D.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 12:47 PM

The only "facts" most people ever pay attention to, Greg, are the ones which appear to support their cause or their view. They sift through all the world has to offer, grab onto those few facts, and disregard the rest. This is how policy is formulated. ;-D


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 12:24 PM

The "real enemies of freedom" are greed, pride, superstition, and ambition...I should have added "ignorance."

You bet. Also add delusion & willful disregard of proven fact.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Lighter
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 10:36 AM

I should have added "ignorance."


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: EBarnacle
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 09:04 AM

Rather than have you follow a link:

You Betcha, Darn Tootin'
By XB Cold Fingers

Listen my children but you won't hear
Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere
From a presumptive "Presidential" candidate
Who's grasp of the facts just ain't that great
Facts are boring and are easy to check
But remembering them is just a pain in the neck.

Much better to write a few words on yer hand
Stick to the script and just say what you've planned
Say "you betcha," "darn tootin'" with a folksy old grin
Blame the elitist media who makes yer head spin
By askin' hard questions like "What do you read?"
And "what color blood does a liberal bleed?"
She makes things up as she goes along
And she bats her eyes when she guesses wrong.

Says "you betcha," "darn tootin'" with a folksy old grin
Blames the liberal media who makes her head spin
Just keep drivin' them humm-dingers
To the big mart and the Mall
Science is for suckers
Gawd will take care of us all.

While we frack up the water table
Blow the mountains up fer coal
And the Saudis and the Mullahs
Will sell us all our oil
Listen my children but you won't hear
Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere
From Palin, Beck and Koch's Faux News crew
Who say what they say when they know it ain't true
For hope and change are great but real hard
"Us versus them" is an easier card

Greatness you work for is much more grand
But harder than stickin' yer head in the sand
Greatness you work for you might not achieve
But fer greatness you've lost, it's real easy to grieve
There are lands where few pay taxes
The word of God is the Law of Man
Free speech is not permitted
In religious schools throughout the land
Being gay may be punished by death
As a crime against man and God
The army runs the government
From Tripoli to Tehran to Islamabad
You Betcha! Darn Tootin'

Copyright, c, 2011, X. B. Cold Fingers. All rights reserved.

By the way, I don't hate Palin and her followers; I despise their lack of willingness to think. If they do think, it is of their own needs to the exclusion of all others.

As that great philosopher, Mr. T said, with great vehemence: "I pity the fool[s].


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Lighter
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 08:57 AM

The "real enemies of freedom" are greed, pride, superstition, and ambition.

Rate your favorite politicians!


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Lighter
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 08:55 AM

Yeah, well, there was that.

But that was a one-time publicity stunt aided by professionals. Palin does her own stuff again and again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 08:21 AM

And W wasn't an insinuating wise-ass with an eternal chip on his shoulder.

Could have fooled me! "Mission Accomplished" comes to mind, for one of many.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Lighter
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 08:14 AM

Because of the high taxes on Big Oil, Alaska has, arguably, the most "socialist" economy of any state in the USA.

Do Palin's brain-dead supporters know that? Does *she* know that? Oh, sorry, that's probably why she resigned after half a term - in protest!

The travelin' train wreck called Sarah Palin is fascinating because she shows how far a person of limited sense and maturity can go in America. At least G.W. Bush has degrees from Yale and Harvard (Palin has a communications degree from the University of Idaho). And W wasn't an insinuating wise-ass with an eternal chip on his shoulder.

But many voters love insinuating, irascible wise-asses, because that's what they themselves want to be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Deckman
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 06:14 AM

This conversation kinda reminds me of James Watt. Remember him? He was the appointed Director of the U.S. Dept. of the Interior. Early on in his career, he was quoted as saying: "Once you've seen one tree, you've seen them all."

Perhaps this phrase might be appropriate: "If you've read one history book ... you've read them all!" bob(deckman)nelson


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 05:08 AM

How many of you knew this??????...as long as your bagging on Sarah Palin

Wentworth Cheswell

Historical Background:
From 1768, when he was elected constable until his death in 1817, this man of colour held a succession of town or local government positions. Besides serving as assessor, town auditor and coroner, he was also voted a selectman. From his appointment in 1805 onwards, Wentworth Cheswell would exercise the authority of Rockingham County's Justice of the Peace.

During the Revolutionary War, Cheswell was on the Committee of Safety. He acted as a messenger, transferring messages back and forth from Newmarket to Exeter.
Wentworth Cheswell is honored as a Revolutionary hero rather closely modeled on the figure of Paul Revere. As the town messenger on the Committee of Safety during the Revolution, he too, had made an all-night ride back from Boston to warn his community of the impending British invasion.

Pretty cool, huh?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 01:26 AM

And now, a brief positive note about Sarah Palin.

She was a person who, on becoming Alaska's Governor, many people underestimated as a bimbo. In fact, she took on the Big Oil Interests that had been running the state for years. In fact, she made Big Oil TAXABLE and accountable for what had been long proclaimed their right: Taking the resources from Alaska with no financial responsibility to either the state or the country.
Think I'm joking? Look at the record. She flew in the face of the legislative branch,which was controlled by the Republican Party, and forged a center-left coalition of Dems and Republicans who imposed reasonable taxes on what was being taken from th state's natural resources.

Now, what happened to her? She bought into the Rightist Demagoguery which has become what passes for passion in the Republican Party. And it was an easy role for her to adopt, and a very profitable one.

She is no statesman, and lacks many of the speaking skills of a high school gym teacher. But I believe she once had the idea that opposing ideas could be brought together for the greater good, and actually performed this task well, and achieved something very difficult. What is it about our present day political process that perverts this impulse in favor of being a true believer?

In my mind, a more important question than who Paul Revere warned.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 01:10 AM

Or Trump. He makes Barnum look like a sideshow carny.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 09:26 PM

Oh, and BTW, again, Where is the fucking money?!?!!..and don't give me that crap, "Oh it would have been much worse", Democrap line of horse-shit!
A Trillion dollars is more money, ('seasonally adjusted', of course), than in takes to fight a world war. Where did it go? and what is it being planned to be used for????
Maybe its being used to get ready to fight the American people..you know, those fucked up 'Tea Partiers', and any other people who don't believe in the neo-polit-bureau-crats'

Keep arguing for stupidity...you might find some new morons to believe you!...maybe even nominate P.T. Barnum!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 09:12 PM

Anybody who believed this crap, is too stupid to criticize Palin!~

Now watch this!!!

SUCKERS!!!!!!

So piss, bitch and moan all you want, about Sarah Palin(though I also am not particularly a fan), You've already had your chance to show how stupid and gullible you are...and you did quite well!!
Maybe you show 're-adjust your thinking apparatus!

And BTW, Little Hawk has a far hipper take on it, that some of you...but then, like psychotics, history shows us that man never learns from history.

Hope you enjoyed the links!! Your 'Messiah Idol' at his best!

GfS

P.S. I could have put this in the lying bastard of the year thread...but why not here....


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 06:31 PM

Ah, but who decides what is "for the better".

I remember how her council house sales policy was hailed as a triumph. It was certainly a political masterstroke for the Conservative Party, but turned out to be a disaster for the poorest in society. Only a few small voices opposed it.

I cannot agree that Mrs Thatcher brought real change....it was all smoke and mirrors.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 06:27 PM

Hey, Ebbie, it's almost as bad in Canada! ;-D Only it's smaller. And a bit more polite and restrained. (political corruption, I mean...) (no wisecracks, please!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 06:13 PM

"...it has to be real change this time"

And "real change" means change for the better? If only that were true.

The truth is, in any situation, most of the possible changes available make things worse. The important thing is to find out the few changes that make things better and achieve them.

Margaret Thatcher brought "real change". So would Sarah Palin. And Bin Laden brought "real change" to the Two Towers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 05:59 PM

Mr McGrath....Thatcher reformed the system, made it work very well ...in the short term.
In the eighties, the system still had breath, enough breath to suck the fibre out of manufacturing and the class of people who served it.
We still believed in the booms generated by council house sales, IT, Financial products.

A present day "Sarah" does not have that option,it has to be real change this time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 05:28 PM

Never rely completely on any one source, including Wikipedia. True.
But use them, and check them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Lighter
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 05:22 PM

Never rely on Wikipedia.

Never.

Never.

Never.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 04:35 PM

If only we had a 'Sarah.'

We did - she was called Margaret Thatcher.

There were differences of course,but they were basically cosmetic.

There were even people on the left who thought that she might be a way of breaking up a pretty shoddy consensus, and shaking things up, and that in the end that might work out for the better. And true enough, she shook things up.

She was a total bloody disaster. We haven't recovered from the damage done by her and the people who voted for her, and it seems as though we never will. Tony Blair just took it over and carried it on with different slogans.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 04:17 PM

Little Hawk, Obama has done 5% of the things that FDR did to curb the abuses by super capitalistic corporations and monopolies.

Yes it is only 5% but it is 5% that would not not have been done by conservatives.

Saving the American auto makers is 3 of that 5%.

FDR sweepingly nationalized the banks, called the banking execs the most despicable of people in the country and created the WPA.
He also tried to stack the Supreme Court but failed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: artbrooks
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 04:15 PM

Yes, it does appear that the manager of the House of Representatives cafeteria changed the name to 'freedom fries'...and then quietly changed it back a couple of years later. I suppose that I was confused by the fact that nobody real did so or ever used the name.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 04:11 PM

The others have made so many gaffes of one kind or another that they'd be an open target for Democratic campaigners.

Only if you assume an intelligent populace - for which, condsidering events of the last 15 if not 30 years, is one helluvan assupmtion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 03:50 PM

If only we had a "Sarah", Wesley!

WE have a "left" "right" political combination punch, engineered to floor the people....again.

At least you have a chance to fight back!


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: JennyD
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 03:44 PM

Jack - so far, Tim Pawlenty, governor of Minnesota, Mitt Romney, former governor of Massachusetts, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Herman Cain and possibly Michelle Bachman. I think it very unlikely that Sarah Palin will run - this bus tour was all about garnering publicity and therefore money for her public speaking gigs, and also putting the kibosh on Mitt Romney's chances by competing with the announcement of his run. She's still hosting a show on Fox, and if she runs as a candidate that will have to go off the air because of legislation about equal air time. Sarah's all about the money, I think. You can google the others. The only serious contenders IMHO are Pawlenty and Romney. The others have made so many gaffes of one kind or another that they'd be an open target for Democratic campaigners.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Wesley S
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 03:43 PM

I keep wondering if the Canadians and British who come here to complain about American values and politics spend even half as much time in the real world trying to actually improve the values and politics of their own countries?

Maybe.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Penny S.
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 03:40 PM

It hyas been suggested to me that the people who are editing Wikipedia to match Palin's views may not actually be her supporters. Who benefits of people think that her people would do such a thing?

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 03:36 PM

Do yourselves a favour and go with Sarah, she is your only chance to break the one party system

Nothing in this world is easy you have to work at it

To change anything politically people must be united, and most here are still in thrall to the Old Divide and Rule. Do you really think a socialist revolution to bring change is possible ....it is not!

America is a conservative nation and there are many virtues in that conservatism....forget your petty differences and break the mould.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 03:32 PM

Well, Ebbie, I'm afraid that Little Hawk apparently has the idea that since the corporations already rule the United States, we may as well just cancel elections and generally give up. Granted, there are a lot of really thick-headed people out there who are far more interested in "The Simpsons" than they are in watching something like "Frontline" or even "60 Minutes," and in the light of Thomas Jefferson's remarks about the necessity of an informed electorate for Democracy to survive, one should indeed be apprehensive about the future of the country.

But—

In addition to the marching morons that some folks here seem to think comprise the country's entire population, I know a lot of very well-informed and politically active people. And I am also aware that the "Tea Party" is not the only grass-roots organization that has formed recently. One I'm thinking of in particular has been meeting in peoples' living rooms all over the country, and has been growing quietly—and exponentially—for the past two years. And they don't show up at political rallies packing firearms, nor do they make a lot of noise. They study. They think. They meet and discuss. Then, they go to work diligently on various issues and for various well-chosen political figures.

No. I'm not ready to embrace the doctrine of the defeatist.

Don Firth

P. S. Do you know who first started circulating the well-known adage, "You can't fight City Hall?"

City Hall.

Think about it. . . .


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