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BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives

Ebbie 03 Jun 11 - 11:23 PM
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Subject: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jun 11 - 11:23 PM

By George, I think she's got it!


http://front.moveon.org/a-priceless-american-history-lesson-from-sarah-palin/


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 01:54 AM

Betty Buckley just posted this in her twitter feed:

RT @HCookAustin: Palin Thinks 'Roe versus Wade' were George Washington's two choices for how to get across the Delaware River. #PalinHistory


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 02:32 AM

A friend told me that today David Brook (conservative journalist) was asked what about Sarah Palin. He said, carefully, Well, I think that every minute that you think about Sarah Palin is a minute you don't get back.

Nailed it. I suspect that she is a sign of our times. lol


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 10:26 AM

Great stuff!
BTW, this is a very cool site. Check out some of the other clips they have there:

Fox News Hack
"Fox is of course saying this didn't happen."

And, more alarmingly: Thomas Jefferson Would Like You To Dance
"On April 13, 2008, Mary Brooke Oberwetter and a group of friends went to the Jefferson Memorial to commemorate the 265th birthday of Mr. Jefferson. But park police didn't want them shaking it with Uncle T.J. They were arrested.

"Fast forward to May 17, 2011, and the appeal of that case was decided in favor of the cops.

"Last weekend, a flash mob of folks came to the memorial and defied that, dancing until they, too, were arrested."

Sobering stuff...


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: artbrooks
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 10:37 AM

It is clearly posted that one should be quiet and respectful in the rotunda of the memorial. I suppose that it is possible that there are varying definitions of this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 11:30 AM

I wonder how her child with Down syndrome is faring while she tells the rest of us how to live.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 11:47 AM

Just accept Ms. Sarah as an entertainer and leave the rest of it alone and everyone will be fine...

Everyone knows she has no real ability to run much of anything except her mouth, which she does very well...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 11:48 AM

Are you suggesting that any child would benefit from 100% attention from Sarah Palin?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,999
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 12:15 PM

Excellent, Ross.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 12:30 PM

run ... her mouth, which she does very well...

Very Well? Apparently not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 12:42 PM

Remember back when they kept people, mainly African-Americans, from voting by making them take a test?   I think we need a new version of that policy.


Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,999
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 01:09 PM

She'll pass it, Spaw. Hell, she can see Russia from her porch.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Deckman
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 01:49 PM

I was in Wassilla a couple of weeks ago and tried to drive by her house. They wouldn't let me ... they musta' found out I was a folksinger. You KNOW what they say about FOLKSINGERS! bob(deckman)nelson


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: gnu
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 02:03 PM

A drive by? What kind of weapon? Were they worried you, being a folkie, wouldn't get off a clean shot?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Deckman
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 02:11 PM

Well ... you know ... some of those tuning forks can be dangerous!


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: gnu
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 02:22 PM

A tuning fork? At least a pitch fork for her.

Sorry about that but she presents an unclear and present danger to the earth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Amos
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 03:44 PM

Good thing that Revere fella warned all those British about how we would be armed. Imagine what might have happened at Lexington otherwise!! The rabble might have won!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 12:58 AM

Damn straight. Too bad Revere wasn't at Yorktown to warn the British too, because in his absence the bloody rabble DID win! ;-) And you see all the trouble that has caused in the world since!


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 12:17 PM

Simple. That's what happens when you try to take away our guns.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 12:45 PM

"You realize that you messed up about Paul Revere, don't you?" "Fox News Sunday" anchor Chris Wallace asked the potential 2012 presidential candidate.

"I didn't mess up about Paul Revere," replied Palin, a paid contributor to the network.

"Part of his ride was to warn the British that were already there. That, hey, you're not going to succeed. You're not going to take American arms. You are not going to beat our own well-armed persons, individual, private militia that we have," she added. "He did warn the British."

You Betcha!


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Big Al Whittle (closed)
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 12:47 PM

You Americans are SO predictable. there was all this fuss about Reagan and Bush being dumb, but you elected them.

I bet it will be the same with this Palin woman. After all this nonsense, you'll still elect her. Two terms - a racing certainty!


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Justa Picker
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 12:49 PM

She personifies EVERYTHING that is wrong with America in the eyes of the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 12:56 PM

Problem is, plenty of AMERICANS don't realize that she personifies most, if not all, that is wrong with America, PERIOD.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,999
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 05:33 PM

When she passes on, America's IQ should rise by a point or two.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 05:44 PM

I still contend that she will NOT run for the presidency of the US. Primarily because it is too much work with too little pay but also because she is not noted for taking criticism well.

However, if she DOES run, I would bet that she would go all the way to election day- but only because she does not realize the depth and width of the opinions against her. I am convinced that she thinks that the people who turn out to see her are her power base, and that everybody that counts loves her.

If she does run I hope she garners 19% of the total vote.

I still say she will NOT run.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 06:37 PM

Department of explanation and clarification:
(later, still Palin):
"Part of Paul Revere's ride — and it wasn't just one ride — he was a courier, he was a messenger. Part of his ride was to warn the British that we're already there. That, hey, you're not going to succeed. You're not going to take American arms. You are not going to beat our own well-armed persons, individual, private militia that we have. He did warn the British."
And this: "In a shout-out, gotcha type of question that was asked of me, I answered candidly. And I know my American history."

I guess a gotcha question is any one ending with a question mark, or asked with a rising inflection at the end.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 06:42 PM

The woman is incredible and carries this insufferable bubble of impenetrable indifference to reality about her. She is a potential catastrophe in fancy underwear.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Amergin
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 07:05 PM

Some of her fans have been going onto wikipedia and trying to rewrite this history in her favour. Fortunately, their additions get caught and removed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 07:31 PM

LOL!! If you fail the test, change the reality!! LOL!! Wodda buncha maroons.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: gnu
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 07:37 PM

"...with a rising inflection at the end."

Don'tcha just cringe at the way little brain dead girls talk these days, asking a question or not? It just grates on me when I hear it. I just wanna smack them and say "Don't talk like that... it's not SPEECH!" It's worse than BABY TALK!


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 08:23 PM

. . . chewing gum and twisting a strand of hair while they're doing it.

Get 'em out of the gene pool!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,ollaimh
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 08:59 PM

with my stir of the pot; most americans don't seem to know that there were four times the number of french soldiers at yorktown as american soldiers. the french won that one folks!

and their naval victory stopped the british supply armada. one of the only french naval victories over the british but very timely for the continental army. the french wanted revenge for the seven years war and to break up as much of te british empire as they could.

although their commanders came home full of republican ideal--which didn't go well for the bourbons and the ancient regime.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: artbrooks
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 09:06 PM

7,800 French, 8,000 American regulars (Continentals) and 3,000 militia.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 09:31 PM

The assistance of France was indeed vital to the success of the American Revolution, and the French were regarded very positively by Americans all through the 1800s because of it...and right up until their unfortunate defeat in 1940 by the new German blitzkrieg tactics. Their military prowess was much admired prior to WWII.

Now there is a popular American myth that the French can't fight and are cowards. NOT TRUE! The French fought very hard in 1940, lost over 200,000 men in desperate combat with the invading Germans, but were utterly unable to deal with the revolutionary new German military tactics which would have defeated any army in the world at that time, given relatively even odds on the battlefied in terms of numbers.

It seems rather sad to me that America's longstanding admiration and affection for French courage has recently been replaced by this post-WWII denigration of French capabilities.

If you read Mark Twain, for example, his admiration for the French is notable, while the British are still held in considerable suspicion. Interesting how these things change in the wake of one war or another...former enemies soon become new allies and friends...former friends are soon scorned.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 10:32 PM

Danged. The last two post-ers spoke well to ollaimh's assertion. I would add two things:

1: What makes anyone sure that their own history books are freer of bias and error than thoe of the Americans?

and
2: ...one of the only french naval victories ... " One of the only? What does that sentence actually mean? One of the only? One of the many, yes. One of the few, yes. One of the only?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,ollaimh - PM
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 08:59 PM

with my stir of the pot; most americans don't seem to know that there were four times the number of french soldiers at yorktown as american soldiers. the french won that one folks!

and their naval victory stopped the british supply armada. one of the only french naval victories over the british but very timely for the continental army. the french wanted revenge for the seven years war and to break up as much of te british empire as they could.

although their commanders came home full of republican ideal--which didn't go well for the bourbons and the ancient regime.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: artbrooks
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 10:35 PM

I rather doubt that anyone who ever served in the US military would ever consider French soldiers cowards (and, IMHO, no other American's opinion counts). The service of the Free French contingent of the Allied Forces in Europe served in an exemplary manner. Their small contribution (one battalion) to the UN forces during the Korean War went home with three US unit citations. Their troops in Bosnia during the three-sided war there did quite well, considering the restrictions imposed by the UN. The French governments did them no favors by requiring them to execute abysmal foreign policy, but that is a different story.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 01:38 AM

Yes, those who have fought beside them know perfectly well that the French are not cowards. I was speaking rather about a generally ignorant attitude that one hears from some people whose opinions are not based on their own experience, but on superficial gossip and hearsay that they've picked up somewhere. Let's ask Sarah Palin about the French and see what she says. ;-)

When it comes to naval history, the British more often were the victors in the almost interminable series of wars between France and England, but now and then the French bested them....as did the Dutch, on occasion. (The USA also had some spectacular small action victories over British ships....as in the case of the frigate Constitution defeating the British frigate Guerriere and another British frigate whose name I don't recall. These were pinpricks to the dominant Royal Navy of the time, had little effect on the overall naval war situation in the War of 1812....but they certainly did embarass the British Navy...and gave the USA something to celebrate for the next century and then some.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 01:44 AM

"Now there is a popular American myth that the French can't fight and are cowards."

Really!?? That's news to me!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 03:41 AM

Pardon, c'est moi.....Chongo :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 04:10 AM

This is not about Sarah personally, though most of you are so full of hatred and jealousy either for her looks or her popularity, that you miss the main issue.

If you want real change in your society, someone must tackle the one party system....get off the political see-saw and let the virtues which have always resided in "Middle America" shine.

None of it will sit easily with the centre left, blinded by years of political psychobabble, but like the young ash tree we must learn to bend with the wind, before we achieve our objectives.
The revolution in America will never come from the left, there have been too many smoke screens over the years

Demolish the monolithic Party system first, get some real representation on the ground.....only Sarah has the nerve and charisma to stand up to the system, but she will only be what YOU want her to be.

Forget world domination,this
   is the real America


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 04:16 AM

Sorry wrong link.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hBeykKAXaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 11:19 AM

Sorry, ake, you are wrong. That links to a beautiful rendition of a song - with Mark O'Connor on fiddle, no less - but you are describing the American south; the song says nothing whatever about the soul of America. I suspect you have never been here.

I am a church beside the highway where the ditches never drain
I'm a Baptist like my daddy, and Jesus knows my name
I am memory and stillness, I am lonely in old age; I am not your destination
I am clinging to my ways
I am a town.

I'm a town in Carolina, I am billboards in the fields
I'm an old truck up on cinder blocks, missing all my wheels
I am Pabst Blue Ribbon, American, and "Southern Serves the South"
I am tucked behind the Jaycees sign, on the rural route
I am a town
I am a town
I am a town
Southbound.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 11:33 AM

Dick-

"Paul Revere's ride"?

Well, I guess the British might have learned a lesson after their march on Concord and Lexington but it's not because Paul Revere told them directly.

One thing about Palin is that she never backs down!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 12:37 PM

And the "British" were mostly Germans anyway. (Like King George.)

The scary thing is, as Big Al said there, the Americans have a bad record of electing dumb presidents when given the chance. The thought of Ms Palin in the White House is terrifying.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 12:40 PM

"Now there is a popular American myth that the French can't fight and are cowards."

Really!?? That's news to me!

Don Firth


Have you forgotten the "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" in the BuShite run-up to the Iraq War & the re-naming of "French fries" to "freedom fries" n the congressional cafeteria?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheese-eating_surrender_monkeys


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 12:40 PM

Don - You've clearly been lucky enough not to be within earshot of the ignorant people (or the ignorant periodicals) of which I am speaking, people who enjoy characterizing the French as cowards and who rave on about "freedom fries" when they are under stress. ;-)

There is a similar myth, by the way, about Italian cowardice in WWII, and that one was created by Allied propaganda. The Italian soldiers, airmen, and naval personnel generally fought with great courage....but their country was lacking in some vital things which you need in wartime:

1. intelligent leadership
2. a large enough economy to fight that war effectively
3. enough modern and competitive equipment

Their navy was courageous and had fine ships, but it lacked radar, and it lacked aircraft carriers and a naval aviation arm. This rendered it extremely vulnerable in the Battle of the Mediterranean. It also lacked sufficient fuel to conduct operations after about the halfway point in the conflict, so the ships mostly sat helplessly in harbour after that.

Their air force again was very courageous in combat, but many of the Italian aircraft were obsolescent, and the more modern planes they had were not available in sufficient numbers.

Their army was courageous on an individual basis, but they lacked the modern equipment they needed to win battles. Their tanks were hopelessly outclassed by the Allied tanks. Their artillery was not adequate.

The presence of the German Afrika Korps alongside the Italian army gave the Italians much-needed assistance, as the German equipment was far superior, but it wasn't enough in the end...as we all know.

*****

The MCC song about the southern town is a really beautiful song, captures the feel of those sleepy towns perfectly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 12:52 PM

Also it helps to believe you are fighting for something worth fighting for - as the Italian partisans demonstrated after the fall of Mussolini.

It's been suggested that nations that rely on unmanned drones to deal with the enemy shouldn't really make too many comments about cowardice...


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Wesley S
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 01:02 PM

Warning the British that we were armed and waiting?

Isn't that treason? Shouldn't this Revere guy be arrested?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 01:09 PM

He's worse than that traitor, Arnold Bennett!


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 01:27 PM

Paul, you're confusing him with the guy who invented the egg dish.


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