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BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot

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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: pdq
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 12:33 PM

Tucson is about 70 miles north of the Mexican border. Essentially, it is part of the "war zone". The young shooter spent over half of his years attending violent public schools, doing drugs and listeneng to violent lyrics coming from radios and lowrider cars. No wonder he is "damaged goods".


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 12:53 PM

pdq - shut up until you actually have a clue.

~ Becky from Tucson


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: pdq
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 01:08 PM

There have been about 10,000 murders along the border with Mexico in the last few years. Yes, mostly on the other side, but not all.

I was alway told that every life has the same value, no matter what station that person has in life.

There is justifiable anger at this sensless act of violence against a elected official, but where is the outrage at the slaughter that goes on every day? Perhaps some lives are considered more valuable by some fools?


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 01:14 PM

Tucson is not in Mexico.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: josepp
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 01:37 PM

///That is the difference here, josz, that the right pretends not to get... It's one thing to argue politics... That is part of one's civic responsibility... It's quite another to use language that promotes violence... Sarah Palin is very much responsible for what happened yesterday... The entire Republican Party which until this happened was silent on threats of violence is responsible... They cannot hide from that...///

Yes, the republican party bears responsibility on this one. They let this kids of shenanigans go on for years--the violent shoot-em-up rhetoric, the hatespeech, the veiled and not-so-veiled racist comments directed at Obama--they allowed it, they nurtured it, they encouraged it. So let them reap what they have sown. They can't say this is not what they wanted. If it wasn't then why all the violent 2nd amendment remedies, reload rhetoric? It's exactly what they were bucking for and consequences be damned so I say they should be castigated in public, have their careers ruined and possibly face charges if anything can be proven.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: olddude
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 01:47 PM

No party is responsible, there is a rise in crazies an nothing more. Back in Teddy Roosevelt's day the party bantering was every bit as bad as today. The issue is the nut balls we have . I am so sick of the innocent people that continue to be victims of such insanity. Maybe it is time for all good people to figure out how to defend themselves, get some training and get an eye for security threats where ever they go. It is a sad world we live in. Get a concealed carry permit.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: EBarnacle
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 01:50 PM

I believe that one of the justices of the Supreme Court of the United States said it best: "Freedom of speech does not extend to yelling 'Fire' in a crowded theater." The issue here is incitement...and the responsibilities which go with it.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: pdq
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 01:52 PM

Thanks, oldude. It's nice to hear from a grownup occasionally.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 02:06 PM

Well, gol danged, folks... Lets just line up every Democrat or progressive and shoot 'um all 'cause pdq is pissed off about the shit goin' on on the Mexican border???

Not!!!

I absolutely do not get yer logic here, pdq... Are you actually making excuses for what happened yesterday???

And if you are then are your Taliban dues paid up because that is the kinda of thinking that permeates Taliban thinking...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: bobad
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 02:09 PM

Hmmm.....yeah, great solution, give everyone a gun....that should do it.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 02:20 PM

Need a new bumper sticker:

Guns Don't Kill People
The TEA PARTY Kills People

Loughner doesn't seem to have exhibited any behavior more bizzare than the Weeper Of The House does.

justices of the Supreme Court... shouting fire

That was Justice Holmes - not even CLOSE to being "left wing"- who also said that taxes are the price we pay for civilized society.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 02:21 PM

'The very subject of this thread and from reading through these posts disturbs me ... and convinces more that the U.S. is a nation of very frightened, extremely paranoid people ... a nation that has lost all reason, a polarized nation where right and wrong is defined by republican, or democrat, right or left and humanity is pretty well all but forgotten.'

To be honest, you've got plenty to be paranoid about. As we found to our cost in Northern Ireland, with political violence - the genie is a damn tricky thing to get back in the bottle. You see nutcase groups will give it a push, politicians will use it, other parties will see a business opportunity.

Without the efforts of Bill Clinton we'd probably still be in a hell of a mess over here. And we had gun control over here.

It all starts with immoderate language and abuse of political debate by firebrands. In NI we had Paisley, Thatcher and the young Gerry Adams (he got older and wiser). Over there you have Palin - don't worry someone will see an opportunity and start giving it back in the other direction. Then the shit will really hit the fan.

So take a stand - it means ordinary decent people have got to stand up and be counted, and demand change.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: bobad
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 02:34 PM

Palin aide, Rebecca Mansour, attempting to spin the gunsights on the map as surveyor's symbols.

http://www.slate.com/BLOGS/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/01/09/palin-spox-targets-on-sarahpac-map-were-actually.aspx


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 02:39 PM

olddude, a lot of garbage in this thread. As you say, absolutely nothing has pointed to any party or group influencing the mind of the shooter.

Many of these crazies, including this one, give out signals of their sickness, but little is done to control or treat them.

Arizona is a divided state politically, as much of the country, but most of us are satisfied with rhetoric and political action.

The shooter's twisted mind (and possibly that of others- police are looking for another) will be exposed as investigations progress.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 02:41 PM

Exactly, Alan...

That is my greatest fear... The right has been bullyin' and threatening the left for a long time now and there will come a time when the left has had enough of the right's boorish bullyin' and shoot back...

No, bILL,

We did not kill the Kennedies... The right wing did... Just as they have and continue to do... There are people out there in America who consider this shooter a "patriot"??? Okay, maybe the4y are sorry that the 9 year girl got killed but in their thinkin', "Hey, that girl shouldn't have been there to talk with that Democratic congresswoman..."

*********************************************************************

So, back to the discussion and sincere hopes that we won't have any other posters making excuses for the shooter...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 02:56 PM

That whole "dial it back" Jon Stewart thing makes even more sense now.

The problem with the mentally ill folks like Loughner is that nearly none of them actually kill people, and mental illness often isolates people so no one might notice anyway. Just opinion.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: olddude
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 03:04 PM

Give every law abiding reasonable and legally licensed person allowed to carry one .. yup it does work. Heck crime in my area by gun violence and home invasion. Virtually doesn't exist. Good chance that 80 year old grandma is packing and knows how to use it


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 03:40 PM

Statistics don't back that up, Ol'ster... More people are killed in houses where there are guns than in ones without...

We are already the most heavily armed developed nation in the world and we have, by far, the highest per capita murder rates... Gettin' even more guns into the population is not an answer but a prescription for even more murders...

I agree, Jeri... We do need to dial it back... Speech that is bigoted needs to be called... Speech that advocates using violence needs to be called... Speech at inappropriate places such as Rep. W@ildon yellin' "You lie" during the State of the Union address needs to be dialed back... Speech from the minority leader in Congress that you wouldn't wnat your children to use as in "Hell no, we won't" needs to be dialed back...

I'd challenge anyone on the right to post examples of the kinds of speech that Dems and those of us on the left think needs to be dialed back...

(They just don't want to hear anything outta ya'll, Boberdz... What don't you get about that???)

Okay, I understand that, Anon, but in a democracy aren't we permitted to to have opinions and believe in them with any level of passion as long as we aren't promoting violence???

(See, Boberdz... It's this way... The right has been bullyin' so long that it no longer thinks you are a right to say a thing so just "Shut the fuck up"...)

What if I don't???

(Then it's got a bullet with yer name on it...)

Hmmmmmmmmmm???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: GUEST,Old Timer
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 03:56 PM

Very likely this young man has been on the path to disaster for years. At some point he was rewired to explode and someone was going to be hurt. The gun was a tool of convenience and the Congress woman was a target of choice. The Judge and the little girl and the others where targets by virtue of their being there. Nobody but the demons in Laugher's mind told him to do this. How and who he perceived the demons to be had nothing to do with who Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin or Rush Limbaugh are or their own brand of aberrant politics.

Timothy McVeigh's weapon of choice was a rental truck, diesel fuel, and fertilizer. Trucks, fuel, and fertilizer in that part of Arizona are as easy to obtain as is an auto loading pistol. The point is the depth of murder and mayhem is limited only by imagination and not the availability of weapons. Imagine the carnage that a tractor trailer
loaded with nothing at all could have done to that crowd of people.

I don't like Glenn, Sarah, and Rush even a little bit. They are guilty of a few things but not this crime. I believe his was the work of a mentally ill man and perhaps another, nobody else.

Old Timer


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Slag
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 04:45 PM

Genie, right. Bobertz, the point is thi is not a political event. The guy is a whack job. His rant could have been about the CIA or Martians contolling his mind. This is about mental illness and it is wrong for anyone of any political stripe to take off on their favorite opponent. The need is to reign in the political and focus positive support for the victims and loved ones.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 05:15 PM

Would a couple of aides carrying have taken the guy out before he did any damage?

A politician must rub shoulders with the crowd; danger can't be wholly avoided, but some protection should be provided.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 05:21 PM

The point is, Slag, that this was an assassination attempt of a federally elected congressman... Not some whack job in the tower in Dallas... Major difference... She was his target...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: olddude
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 05:22 PM

don't really know the stats bobster, you are most likely right. I think it has a lot to do with the culture where you were brought up. Guns in my area is like tractors, they are respected and not abused. However I can't help thinking if one law abiding armed citizen was there, something less than 18 people would have been shot. Oh you won't be able to stop the first few rounds, but someone trained would have stopped him before so many were hit (I think anyway)

Police can't be everywhere all the time, we really do need to look after out own safety. I respect those that say they would never carry so do something else to protect yourself, take a marshal arts course something. Too many innocent victims anymore from crazies, people need to start thinking self defense and awareness. I am thinking of opening up my dojo again. Something I said I would never do.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 05:31 PM

This isn't the end but the beginning, apparently:

There was a Facebook page, now apparently removed, that said: Jared Lee Loughner American Hero, with a comment: Jared Lee Loughner: The man who fired the first shot in the 2011 US Civil War. Mark today in history and let the revolution begin!

Spin that, right-wing apologists.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 05:43 PM

What have the crazies to do with right or left wing?


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 06:00 PM

Everybody calls on statistics, but can't quote specifics.

Senator Mike Lee, Utah-
"I don't think we're going to legislate our way out of the risk. To the contrary, there is abundant research suggesting that in cities where more people own guns, the crime rate, espacially the murder rate, goes down."
Canadian Press, January 9, 2011; Lee-Ann Goodman.

I think Senator Lee is correct, at least for the West, but I can't produce reliable statistics.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 06:04 PM

Q: What have the crazies to do with right or left wing?

Depends. Whose rhetoric are the crazies playing out? Do words have no effects, or at least on the crazies? Or is it possible that crazies see irresponsible words and somehow take them on board?

This is a wake-up call. Painting it like a one-off, having nothing to do with the poisoning, gun-threatening rhetoric in right-wing politics, we will have missed a valuable opportunity. Already it's going that way; look at this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Genie
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 06:15 PM

Kendall, I'm not calling for a ban on hand guns. It's more the semi-automatics (guns that let you get off dozens of shots without reloading) that I'm concerned about.

You're right that kendall armed robbery, murder, and assassination do occur in societies that ban guns, but you're overlooking an important point.   If guns (or certain types of guns) are prohibited or their ownership/carrying strictly regulated, a would-be assassin CAN BE arrested and disarmed BEFORE s/he shoots anyone.   Seems like in the US today, we pretty much allow nearly anyone to carry very deadly weapons (unless, of course, they've been convicted of possession of marijuana, of course) UNTIL they use such weapons in an act such as murder.    I think you'll find that gun-involved homicides are more frequent in the US than in most other democracies that have more restrictive gun-control laws.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: bobad
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 06:28 PM

"What have the crazies to do with right or left wing?"

Why then, pray tell, is the right scrambling to scrub their public faces of the rhetoric of the wild west?

Oh, look here's another one: GOP senator urges media not to talk about Palin's violent rhetoric


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Genie
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 06:30 PM

bobad, I'd say to Palin and Mansour,
"If it looks like shooting-range target, talks like a shootin-range target, and quacks like a shooting-range target, chances are it's a shooting-range target."


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: olddude
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 06:45 PM

Genie
it depends on the state, some states it is indeed easier to get a license but even in those states you better not have any convictions of any type. Likewise all require an FBI background check and mental health record it is unlikely but not impossible that a crazy can get a license. It has happened but more rare i think.

The class of weapon would not make a difference, a crazy would just bring multiple wheel guns with him or her instead. If all guns were banned he or she would just cook up a home made pipe bomb .. can't stop crazies no matter what you do, you just have to train yourself to spot them hopefully first. The Secret Service are masters and picking out those with an agenda , they are highly trained as i am also.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: artbrooks
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 06:48 PM

Being as how this happened in Arizona, I'd be surprised if there weren't more than a few people in the crowd carrying. I'm glad they demonstrated the good sense to not get into a major firefight in a congested area. I have no personal problem with people carrying for individual self defense, but the idea of one or two - or a dozen - untrained John Waynes all trying to get involved at the same time scares the crap out of me. Concealed carry classes do not teach anyone how to react in this kind of situation. The guys who manhandled the shooter to the ground and took his gun away did exactly the right thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 07:15 PM

artbrooks: The guys who manhandled the shooter to the ground and took his gun away did exactly the right thing.

At no slight risk to their own safety. They are the true heroes here.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: olddude
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 07:28 PM

point taken art, hence more training should be required beyond the safety training .. can't speak on it, I only know people who are very highly skilled ex special forces or police .


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 07:29 PM

to GUEST:

I'm sure they meant roadrunners.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: olddude
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 07:30 PM

However, shots were already taken in a congested area, but only by the killer


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: bobad
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 07:33 PM

Sorry, that GUEST post at 7:27 was me - dang it I have a new add on that removes cookies when you leave a site and I'm trying to figure out how to put in exceptions - guess I don't have it figured yet. I apologize. Will repost under my login if you wish.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: olddude
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 07:37 PM

yes bobad, repost darn it for heaven sakes none of this guest stuff :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 07:38 PM

Bullet's path leaves uncertain future for trauma victims


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: bobad
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 08:06 PM

A brief anecdote from the last time I was in Arizona.

Camping in a remote campground in the Dragoon Mountains one day a car pulls in and an old couple (probably in their eighties) gets out of their car, opens their trunk and proceeds to strap on holsters and six guns.

I asked them what they were going to do with the guns. They replied that they were going up the mountain trail to target practice.

I asked them what they were practicing for, they replied "varmints".

I asked what kind of "varmints"?

They replied,"the two legged kind".

I gave them a wide berth.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 08:16 PM

to bobad:

I'm sure they meant roadrunners.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: bobad
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 08:50 PM

Mousy, seeing that we were very close to the Mexican border, I think I got the idea of what "varmints" they were referring to.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 09:03 PM

Like the Tucson sheriff said, "Arizona has become the mecca of bigotry"...


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Leadfingers
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 09:24 PM

In UK we do have a diffferent set up - but I cant see how ANYBODY needs an Automatic Weapon unless they are Uniformed Military ot Police !!


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 09:32 PM

Ditto, Terry...


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: olddude
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 09:40 PM

Lead,
you are correct, no one needs an automatic weapon. I have a real beef with the semi-AK 47s as they can be altered too easily.   They are illegal here also. Well you can get a machine gun permit but it costs a ton of money with some very serious rules and very specific license restrictions and only a few of those licenses are ever given. I only knew one guy that ever had one. Also who the heck could afford the ammo.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 09:41 PM

"Apparently Fox News agrees with the senator from Tennessee [Lamar Alexander] because when Palin's name was mentioned at a vigil for Giffords, they cut the video feed.

Palin offered her 'sincere condolences' on her Facebook page Saturday.

'We never ever, ever intended it to be gun sights,' Palin aide Rebecca Mansour told conservative talk show host Tammy Bruce.

Mansour agreed with Bruce's suggestion that the crosshairs were simply representing a 'surveyor's symbol.'
"

Jaysus, Mary, and Joseph, gimme a break!!!

Don Firth

P. S. (Aren't you supposed to beep when you back up like that?)


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 09:53 PM

And a big ditto to that, Don...


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: EBarnacle
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 10:14 PM

Gollee, I didn't know that gun ws loaded....


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 10:19 PM

a 'surveyor's symbol.'...right...what % of the public interprets crosshairs as 'surveyor's symbol.'?

"Well, no sane person would take literally the idea that WE were suggesting real violence toward our opponents!"
....no need...seems we have plenty of non-sane ones to do the deed...


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