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BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot

Q (Frank Staplin) 08 Jan 11 - 03:45 PM
Genie 08 Jan 11 - 03:40 PM
bobad 08 Jan 11 - 03:37 PM
GUEST,number 6 08 Jan 11 - 03:37 PM
josepp 08 Jan 11 - 03:30 PM
Stilly River Sage 08 Jan 11 - 03:29 PM
Smedley 08 Jan 11 - 03:23 PM
Genie 08 Jan 11 - 03:19 PM
Donuel 08 Jan 11 - 03:16 PM
Genie 08 Jan 11 - 03:12 PM
Skivee 08 Jan 11 - 03:00 PM
bobad 08 Jan 11 - 02:59 PM
Donuel 08 Jan 11 - 02:55 PM
Donuel 08 Jan 11 - 02:49 PM
John on the Sunset Coast 08 Jan 11 - 02:42 PM
Donuel 08 Jan 11 - 02:39 PM
Bobert 08 Jan 11 - 02:34 PM
Donuel 08 Jan 11 - 02:32 PM
Donuel 08 Jan 11 - 02:24 PM
Donuel 08 Jan 11 - 02:23 PM
maeve 08 Jan 11 - 02:23 PM
Donuel 08 Jan 11 - 02:19 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 03:45 PM

Another kook with a gun.

Nothing known about him as yet.
All the speculation about right-wing, Palin map, etc. is nonsense at this time.

John on SC, I'll echo your post.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Genie
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 03:40 PM

This message was posted, presumably by someone opposed to Gifford's policies (or just her being a Democrat?), last June.

We don't know what motivated the shootings, but Matt Iglesias reported that an anti-Giffords event was held in June with the billing:
"Get on Target for Victory in November.
Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office.
Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly."

Rep. Giffords was also on Sarah Palin's "target list."

As noted earlier, a gun was dropped at a Giffords event in 2009, and her office was vandalized in March."

At least 5 of those shot have died and several others are in critical condition.

Nice having semi-automatics so readily accessible, isn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: bobad
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 03:37 PM

Extremist speech incites extremists.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 03:37 PM

.... and Americans are afraid to take a vacation in Mexico.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: josepp
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 03:30 PM

Expect within the next week several republicans to issue "Why I am not responsible for this shooting" statements.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 03:29 PM

The news has been all over the place. NPR usually takes the care go get it right, but apparently only got the news out first this time, and the reports of Giffords status (dead or alive) still seems to be in question. The university medical center at U of A reports Giffords is in surgery.

The stuff popping up in Twitter are links to the various stupid things put out by Palin and her ilk. There was a map with gunsights that people frowned upon when it appeared, and now it appears to have been a really poor choice of graphic, mean spirited at the very least, inflammatory at the worst.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Smedley
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 03:23 PM

Palin didn't just name Giffords, she had a graphic on her website with sooting targets on a map of the US, each one signifying a politician deemed worthy of 'attack' - the Palinistas will no doubt say the target thing was a metaphor, but is some dumb young far-Right kid going to work that subtlety out ??


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Genie
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 03:19 PM

She is, BTW, a Democrat. But that hasn't stopped hordes of internet message board posters from speculating that Obama's socialist brownshirts were somehow behind the shooting because they oppose Jan Brewer's AZ border security measures.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 03:16 PM

Cable FOX news has rebroadcast the local Tuscon FOX TV station KGUN
which stated that Gabrielle GIffords' Local office has been subject to repeated violence in the last two years which includes threats and broken windows and doors.

Right wing web sites have targetted the Congresswoman for over 5 years.


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Subject: Our sensationalist, trigger-happy media
From: Genie
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 03:12 PM

Our so-called "news media" seem to be tripping all over themselves - and the facts - in the attempt to "scoop" their competitors.

I've just read headlines from a number of "reports" on this incident, ranging from Giffords being a "Republican" to a "Democratic Congresswoman" who "was shot dead" and who "is in surgery" in the ICU.

Then, of course, there are the hair-trigger, knee-jerk attempts at "analysis" of what it was about Giffords or the attacker (or Obama, Palin, the Republicans, Glenn Beck, the Democrats, etc.) that prompted the violence.

Here's a wild idea: How about not reporting "the facts" -- much less, analyzing them -- until we know what they are?


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Skivee
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 03:00 PM

FWIW I just tuned in Fox News. Their coverage was reasonable. They retracted an earlier report that the congresswoman had died, explaining that they had obtained what seemed like 3 reliable sources' confirmation. Now it seems that she is in surgery with very serious injuries.


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: bobad
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 02:59 PM

The Web is raging right now with curious references to failed vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin after a speech she gave last September criticizing Giffords, a Democrat, for supporting Obamacare. Months earlier on her website, Palin named Giffords as one of 20 Dems in her "target practice" crosshairs.

According to NPR, six members of Giffords' staff were killed in today's attack. According to the Associated Press, 12 people were shot.

Giffords and astronaut husband Mark Kelly, who served in Desert Storm, have two children.

http://trentonian.com/articles/2011/01/08/news/doc4d28b551cbe8d148239504.txt


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 02:55 PM

http://giffords.house.gov/


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Subject: RE: BS: AZ Congresswoman Giffords shot
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 02:49 PM

Ahh I see the grouping of threads now, thank you.

Hi John, I know by watching the right wing media machine spin their diatribe of revenge and implied violence for 2 years straight.

If by any stretch of imagination the gun man has never heard of Glen Beck, I would then apologize.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendment - AZ Congresswoman shot
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 02:42 PM

Donuel, where the f*** do you get the idea Beck or any conservative had any impact on the killer of these people. Or that Beck knows or has been contacted about this murderous tragedy. Your own hate is showing.

So far the only thing said about the alleged perp is that he is young, late teens or early twenties.


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Subject: BS: Gabriele Gifford alive in surgury
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 02:39 PM

Congresswoman Gofford is linginf to live after being shot in the head at a democratic political event in a Saeway parking lot in Tuscon Arizona. Many others have been killed by what some say is a lone gunman.


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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Ariz. Congresswomen shot dead
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 02:34 PM

Wonder why this took so long...

I mean, here we have an entire fake-news station airing one loon after another threatening to jihad terrorism on people with who they disagree and no one, not one single Repub congressman, senator, judge, dog catcher has ever said, "Wait a minute"... No, Fox, the Tea Party and the Republican party have their fingerprints all over the trigger...

I have warned here on Mudcat over and over that threatenin' these "second amendment" remedies was going to bring this day...

I think John Beohner should be arrested as an accessory...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Ariz. Congresswomen shot dead
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 02:32 PM

The gun man shouted before "unloading" and then began shooting the Congresswoman her family and supporters. A security officer did manage to wound the gunman before the crowd pushed him to the ground.

What he shouted is not yet released but I am assuming it will be a familiar right wing phrase.

No comment from Hannity O'Reilly or Glen Beck who have called for for conservatives to rise up and exercise thier 2nd ammendment rights and water the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots.


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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Ariz. Congresswomen shot dead
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 02:24 PM

A child has been reported being shot dead.


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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Ariz. Congresswomen shot dead
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 02:23 PM

One person is in custody after being tackled to the ground.
His weapon may have had a twenty bullet magazine that allowed for the most effective "unloading" in the least time.

Glen Beck has made no comment at this time. Hand Gun sales are up 700% since Obama was lected and has gworn so fast that most dealers have had the experience of running out of ammunition to sell for extened periods of time.

A second ammendment solution has begun in Arizona.


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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Ariz. Congresswomen shot dead
From: maeve
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 02:23 PM

http://www.cornellsun.com/section/news/content/2011/01/08/arizona-rep-cornell-alumna-reportedly-shot-tuscon


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Subject: BS: Democratic Ariz. Congresswomen shot dead
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 02:19 PM

Along with 8 other democrats at a Safeway Parking lot in Tuscon Arizona Congresswoman Gofford was shot by a Glen Beck fanatic with a high velocity semi automatic handgun. Fox news reported that someone had unloaded on the crowd where Ms. Gifford was holding a question answer event.

The number of fatialities is uncertain but at least 8 people have arrived at the hospital at this time.


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Subject: BS: 2nd Ammendment
From: saulgoldie
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 02:09 PM

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Breaking News Alert: Reports: Ariz. Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords shot at Tucson public event
January 8, 2011 1:46:15 PM
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Arizona Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot on Saturday morning while hosting an event outside of a Tucson grocery store, according to local news reports.

National Public Radio reported Saturday that Giffords, who in November narrowly won re-election to a third term, was hosting her first "Congress on Your Corner" event when a gunman ran up and began shooting.

According to a local news report, Giffords was shot in the head at point-blank range. She was taken to University Medical Center in Tucscon; her condition was not immediately known.


And the nutjobs exercise their 2nd ammendment "rights" to thwart elections.

Saul


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Subject: Ariz. Dem. Gabrielle Giffords shot
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 01:59 PM

Just a few minutes ago --

NPR: Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona

>>U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head outside a grocery store in Tucson while holding a public event, Arizona Public Media reported Saturday.

The 40-year-old Democrat, who was re-elected to her third term in November, was hosting a "Congress on Your Corner" event at a Safeway in northwest Tucson when a gunman ran up and started shooting, according to Peter Michaels, news director of Arizona Public Media.

At least nine other people, including members of her staff, were hurt. Giffords was transported to University Medical Center in Tucson. Her condition was not immediately known.

Giffords was talking to a couple when the suspect ran up and fired indiscriminately from about four feet away, Michaels said.

The suspect ran off and was tackled by a bystander. He was taken into custody. Witnesses described him as in his late teens or early 20s.

Giffords was first elected to represent Arizona's 8th District in 2006. The "Congress on Your Corner" events allow constituents to present their concerns directly to her.

More details to come.<<

~ Becky in Long Beach


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