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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: J-boy
Date: 27 Apr 11 - 01:05 AM

America has more than it's share of problems but thanks to a (as yet unfinished) revolution a monarchy isn't one of them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 09:23 AM

That they seem a good couple does not alter the fact that monarchies are greedy blasphemies - http://walkaboutsverse.webs.com/#225


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 08:51 AM

Fred, Not only do I have an objection to the plans you speak of concerning the English Defence League for the wedding, I have an objection to these bastards receiving airtime on tv and radio and their membership having a pulse. They are racist hate mongers. I hope that is clear enough for you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 07:24 AM

Richie. Presumably you had no objections when the English Defence League announced that they would be placing a ring of steel around the tube station exits, to stop anyone they think may be a Muslim and may be about to demonstrate?

Ok. Here's the irony. Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, the EDL leader who announced this bizarre approach to law and order, runs a tanning studio in Luton. That's right, you go in there as white as a Ku Klux Klan sheet and you come out looking, well, as brown as a Muslim. What happens if he can't tell some of his own customers from the protesters?


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 06:53 AM

They said they want to "remember the life of Diana" on their special day. Possibly that's why he asked young Hewitt to be best man.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: bobad
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 10:06 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: bobad
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 10:26 PM

It's really a lively affair -- quite the break from tradition.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: bobad
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 10:04 PM

For a preview of the wedding you can watch a video of the rehearsal here


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 09:48 PM

Seems to me that Kate and William are pretty normal folks - unlike many who post here!


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 07:13 PM

Thank God, an application to protest outside Westminster Abbey on the day of the Royal wedding has been rejected today. A group called "Muslims Against Crusades" who were responsible for burning poppies on Remembrance Day, threatened to turn the Royal Wedding into a nightmare.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: GUEST,VaTam in Once upon a time
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 11:18 AM

Knit your own Royal Wedding


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: Wesley S
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 10:04 AM

I understand from the paper this morning that - instead of wedding gifts - the couple has put together a list of a couple dozen charities and requested that people make donations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 09:41 AM

Worth buying one, these mugs will become collectors items.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 09:31 AM

Unlike family you can choose friends but it looks like on this occasion Kate hasn't chosen too wisely.

Regarding the mug (Doh!) how could they get that so wrong? But there could be a market some people might be happy to buy one, for a joke.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 07:11 AM

I just spotted this, a company in China has made a souvenir mug of the upcoming Royal wedding.

Please go to this link, they have cocked it up

http://www.guandongenterprisesltd.com/

The mug shows Prince Harry instead of William !


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 01 Jan 11 - 06:54 PM

I see a friend of Kate Middleton was interviewed under caution by police after posting an online message saying she planned to shoot illegal immigrants.

Full story here.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343017/Kate-Middletons-friend-cautioned-police-joke-shooting-illegal-immigrants.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 05:13 AM

It seems that we aren't all going to get the extra 'free' public days holiday that some of us thought. There are certain agencies that make their workforce book bank holidays including Easter and things like that out of their entitlement so in effect they will be paying for the 'freebie' not William's fault I know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: s&r
Date: 29 Nov 10 - 06:41 PM

Fact or Opinion?

Stu


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Nov 10 - 05:11 PM

That they seem a good couple does not alter the fact that monarchies are greedy blasphemies - http://walkaboutsverse.webs.com/#225


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 06:03 PM

I wasn't born when William's grandparents married, but there's one thing I'll never forgive them for - the tradition of singing the twentythird Psalm to "Crimond" was kick-started due to it's inclusion in their wedding service. Come back "Wiltshire" or "Martyrdom" (as specified in the 1929 Psalter) or maybe "Bethesda", written by Calum Martin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 03:51 PM

Lizzie, what an exquisite post: thank you. I would add that Diana of Wales did not, much as she loved them, over-indulge her beloved sons. She once overheard William, about 4 at the time, being provocatively rude to one of the policemen on duty who he knew could not answer back. She was furious; tore him off a great strip in front of the constable, and made him apologise.

Best regards

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 03:32 PM

The night before William's Mum and Dad were married, I was mourning the loss of my beautiful cat, Sophie. She'd been knocked down by a car, having been allowed out in the evening for the first time ever in her short life...

It was a hot, sultry summer night. July 28th...the day before the Royal Wedding....and everywhere there was a feeling of happiness in the air, a sense of history about to be made, a feeling of a whole country 'coming together' in celebration...There were street parties planned, fun things, happy things, and all the while, throughout July 29th British History and Tradition would be on show...

But for me, that unhappy night, everything else paled into insignificance as I held my dear little cat close to me, for the last time, never to feel her gentle paw wake me up in the morning, nor see her squashy little English Blue face purring down at me, her whole body running in happiness towards me...

I'd found her in the backstreets of Baker Street, in a pet shop. She'd been there for 2 whole weeks, staring miserably out of the window at the world. I was still living at home then, where there were already 4 cats and 2 dogs, so 'taking another cat home' was really pushing my luck. I held off, telling myself I couldn't...wouldln't...but one day I went for an interview, and I had to pass the shop again...I couldn't believe she was still there. And so I promised myself that if I got the job, I'd get the kitten.

I got the job.

I went into the shop on the way home, and asked to see her. She was so tiny, the runt of the litter, apparently...She climbed straight up me and purred in my ear, then she simply went to sleep on my shoulder...

That was it. Sophie was mine and I was hers! :0)

I took her home on the Metropolitan Line, in a cardboard box, her tiny grey paw sticking out now and then, as she tried to get out to the world.....

On the way home I called in to the vet to get her checked out. He took one look at her then sighed, sadly. He told me she was riddled with fleas, had many skin conditions, all contagious, and her little belly was so round and filled with worms that she couldn't even lie down properly. "You can't take her home with all your other animals." he advised.."If they catch what she has it'll cost you a small fortune to cure. Besides, it would be kinder to put her down, she's so many things wrong with her."

Then, she looked up at him, her little green eyes screwed up into a kind of smile, in her squashy little face...and she purred, patted him with her paw. I stared at him through tear filled eyes...already knowing my decision...He sighed again, picked her up then said "On the other hand, you could isolate her for 6 weeks, and try your best!"

I was already there. :0)

And so, Sophie came home, and she was cured of all her ills and alls. She blossomed into a small grey beauty, beloved by everyone, especially my father, who simply adored her, (after he'd read me the riot act for yet another animal turning up) ;0) His temper, rarely seen, only lasted half an evening, because Sophie curled up on his shoulder too...and kissed his ear...

He didn't stand a chance... :0)

Well, Dad had just retired before Sophie died...and he was so looking forward to being at home with her all day....and then, the night of the Royal Wedding came round and his dream ended...

His grief was heartbreaking to see....




Many years later I watched an even deeper grief taking place. The grief of two young boys who'd lost their Mother, a mum they loved with all their hearts....

She was hated by some within the Media and The Intelligensia, who carped on and on how this woman had no examinations, so was apparently, 'thick as a brick'....Oh my how they criticised her, ridiculed her...

But a whole NATION turned out to see her to her final resting place, whilst an entire WORLD looked on in grief-stricked silence...

Behind her coffin walked her beloved sons, heads bowed, faces staring at the floor, minds trying to think of anything but what was all around them..

God they coped well!   

This kind, loving, sensitive woman had brought them up so well. She'd poured love into them, almost as if she knew she'd not be in their lives for long. She hugged them and kissed them and held them close. She fought for them, taught them how privileged they were to lead the lives they did. She took them to meet ordinary folks, in ordinary places...and left her mark on them in so many positive ways.

Next April Diana's first-born son will marry the woman he loves.

Yet again British History will be being made, whilst the whole world watches.

One person will be missing from the wedding, the very person who'd have loved, more than anyone else, to be there. I'm sure she'll be there in Spirit..and many of the people who turn out to cheer William and Kate on their way will the very same people who turned out to cheer Charles and Diana, and who were there for Diana at the end..

I hope they all have the most Beautiful Day of Days, especially William and Kate.

I hope the entire nation comes together again, for Diana's son. I hope that new friendships are formed, new relationships started, new communities are formed as people have their street parties and celebrations again.

There is way too much Grief in this unhappy world these days. Joy is something to be treasured.

William has known way too much grief for a young man, so I'm glad that Kate will be there for him now...and that he found it perfectly 'normal' to fall in love with a woman he loved, rather than someone from the correct Royal Circle.

Diana taught him well...and she'd be so very proud of him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: mandotim
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 08:02 AM

If you are going to mess about with systems, the real key is to have a clear and wide ranging understanding of the system before you do so. This is my main beef with politicians of any stripe; they don't seem to look behind the narrow, headline grabbing 'initiative' that produces an immediate and obvious result; not realising the systemic action that then produces long-term damage. Some of the recent policy announcements are classic examples of this. No-one can be infallible in this respect, but there is good research and a lot of tools and techniques that help to understand wider, non-linear systems; I've never heard a politician express the slightest interest in any of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 06:08 AM

Pompous or wot! Nothing like going tru-2-form...


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 05:49 AM

Sorry M,

I'd already decided that anyone who can write piss·off u pompous big booby must be too far gone to be worth arguing with. Your opinions are of absolutely no consequence to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 05:16 AM

April would be better for entertainers and musos. March is usually okay with St Paddys. then you'd be in a new tax year.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 05:00 AM

Well, actually Tim, we should be back well before the abuses you rubricate, to cave-dwelling in animal furs... I do take your point.

Nevertheless, it must be admitted that people do like to monkey about with systems, often thus introducing detrimental side-FX which they haven't foreseen. I think messing about with our present system, which is if course not perfect ~ but which system is? ~ would be most likely to have such an effect.

Non-linear complex adaptive systems, chaos theory, law of unforseen[or unintended] consequences ~~ call it what you like: but take it into account before plunging into change just because you are envious of someone's privileges ~~ I repeat, in the wise words of Hilaire Belloc [was it? Yes, I have googled & it was] "for fear of finding something worse".

Regards ~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: mandotim
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 04:44 AM

Just a small point, MtheGM; there is no Firm Law of Unforeseen Consequences; if it was a law, unforeseen consequences would become expected consequences. I think what you are referring to is the discipline of non-linear complex adaptive systems (sometimes erroneously called 'chaos theory), one of my research interests. If such a 'firm law' existed, then it could be used as a means of preventing change in any field, by the expedient of saying 'we can't change because there may be unexpected consequences'. By your logic, we would still have slavery, public executions, bear-baiting, no votes for women...need I go on? All of these were 'arguably ideologically questionable but pragmatically functioning present arrangements' in their time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 04:24 AM

I should imagine that most of the brewers will do something, even if it's just repackaging an existing brew.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 03:13 AM

Soooo, for and againsts aside are we ready with the bunting etc. Will there be a street party as with the Jubilee celebrations? It's going to be a chilly one in March or will there be some pub promotion specials? Or will there be a special brew of beer to mark the occasion?


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 02:10 AM


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 Nov 10 - 07:33 AM

No, but seriously Fred, having taken counsel with myself, I bethink me that your question does probably deserve a reasoned response: so here you are.

I have no particular brief for Royalty or hereditary principles. My only reason for defending them is that they are what we happen to have; & a long life has taught me the virtues of two postulates: viz

i If it ain't broke, don't fix it ~~ & it ain't: you might find it distasteful ideologically, but it works OK, & a hell of a lot better than the systems in operation in many regimes which have made the change you desire,

because they didn't take into account the 2nd postulate ~~

ii There is, too, a firm Law Of Unforeseen Consequences, against which you will inevitably stub your toe if you monkey about with our arguably ideologically questionable but pragmatically functioning present arrangements.

You will think this is pusillanimous, I expect. OK, go ahead and louse it all up, if you [as an undoubted democrat] can get enough support from enough people ~~ an eventuality I suspect you will find as easy as flying in the air: just you try & achieve this aim of yours democratically & see where it gets you!

And then, having achieved your ❤'s desire, see you keep firm hold of nurse, for fear of finding something worse.

& I hope it keeps fine for you.

♥♫❤Michael❤♫♥


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 Nov 10 - 06:37 AM

I am devestated that a man of such exquisite taste and unanswerably fine logic should not respect my views, Mr McCormick.

Oh the shame and disgrace. Oh woe alas and alack the day. Eheu fugaces. Weeping·&·wailing·&·gnashing·of·teeth. O bohoohoo. O I am stricken to the ♥. Oh my soul is afire.

I must off down the garden to eat wo·o·o·o·rms.

~leahciM~

Oh, by the way ~ almost forgot to say ~ piss·off u pompous big booby xxxxx


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 21 Nov 10 - 06:23 AM

Sorry MG eht M. If you can't come up with a serious argument for the retention of the monarchy, then your views aren't worth listening to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 21 Nov 10 - 03:37 AM

"Diana certainly was.... "

Necrophilia?


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 08:30 PM

Hmmmm. I suppose Kate could be the stuff of erotic fantasies. Diana certainly was....


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 07:15 PM

Poster is Alan Whittle
a cogent argument for the retention of the monarchy

1) Some of us have sordid erotic fantasies about members of the royal family - where would that leave us?

er....that's it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 05:40 PM

No


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 03:11 PM

Glad to hear that M. If I'd said something you agreed with I'd wonder what I'd done wrong.

By the way, isn't it about time you put forward a cogent argument for the retention of the monarchy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 02:52 PM

Thank you for your response, Mr McCormick. Much appreciated.

In fact, it makes me want to throw up...


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 02:47 PM

Yes, yes, yes Fred! We need parliament to bring in a bill to abolish the whole silly system - monarchy and house of lords but in order to do this we need a proud colonel and a gray peer to stand at the doors of the houses and eject all those who wouldn't support it. I'm emigrating to a republic as soon as I can


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 01:07 PM

Because the announcement did make me feel like throwing up and it still does.

I am opposed to the monarchy for several reasons.

1. It is an outdated archaic quasi-feudal institution, which has nothing to do with the rational needs of our present society, and has no place in any modern democracy.

2. It is horrendously expensive, and an unneccesary drain on this country's resources. This is true 24/7/365, but it is even more so when we are continually being told that "we are all in this together". Would that be royal wee?

3. It is a major part of the culture of inequality, which pervades this country, and which prevents realisation of the potential capabilities of the vast majority of lower class people. (I realise that anyone born with a silver spoon in their mouth, and a public school education behind them, may not understand this point, but I do. Believe me, there were no silver spoons where I grew up, and there was no social equality to speak of either.)

I have, over the years, managed to curb my desire to incinerate the whole rotten edifice, and would now much rather see the royal family pensioned off and replaced by a democratically elected consitutional presidency. But pardon me if the words royal and wedding combined in the one sentence still make we want to throw up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 11:43 AM

Just compare some of Mr McCormick's later, quite rationally-worded posts, with his OP.

Now why, as he doesn't appear quite so much of a vulgarian as he did initially, did he think it either wise, or seemly, or in any way necessary, to kick off this thread with the assertion that the announcement of the forthcoming Occasion made him immediately "feel like throwing up"?!?

I mean, charming, wot!

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Nov 10 - 03:17 PM

Prince Philip is too old now to be taken too seriously by anyone.

That kind of ageism is as acceptable as its racist equivalent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 19 Nov 10 - 03:10 PM

Thanks goodness we don't have to listen to Richard Dimbleby or Tom Fleming with their nauseating unctuous commentaries on royal occasions any more. Where's that sycophantic StJohn Stevas these days; will he be wheeled out to lecture us all on how wonderful the royals are and what a good job they do.
I'm off either to France or the garden shed; probably the latter having paid my share of the cost.
Can someone tell me when it will be safe to turn on the radio or buy a newspaper again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 19 Nov 10 - 07:07 AM

Exactly Lizzie that is why I said it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: theleveller
Date: 19 Nov 10 - 04:52 AM

"yes, leveller, there isn't a single thing in that I disagree with."

Thanks, Wille, my comments weren't aimed at you personally - just a general observation. Oh, and following Bob Flowerdew's suggestion to put urine to your compost heap, I grow great vegetables!


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 19 Nov 10 - 04:45 AM

'I don't imagine she really speaks for her whole generation'

I bet she does - whole celeb obsessed lot of them.

Really its a pity he's not marrying Katie Price. She would have flogged the whole thing to Hello and Murdoch Enterprises and Syndications and made a profit on the deal, instead of whingeing around for handouts from the state.


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: GUEST,Allan Con
Date: 19 Nov 10 - 04:13 AM

"So there you have it, us old fogies can be miserable and grumpy about it, but don't forget the generation who have never experienced a Royal Wedding. They are damn well looking forward to it."

Your offspring may very well be excited about it but to be fair I don't imagine she really speaks for her whole generation


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Subject: RE: BS: Royal Wedding Announcement
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 19 Nov 10 - 03:59 AM

Middleton, daughter of an Air Hostess (originally before they became well off) from labouring and mining stock, is to be Queen. Wondering when the last time was that blue-bloods married outside of their class?


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