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Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)

GUEST,Abdul on iPhone 19 Sep 10 - 06:43 PM
GUEST, Fido 19 Sep 10 - 11:57 AM
GUEST,FloraG 17 Sep 10 - 05:53 AM
banjoman 17 Sep 10 - 05:07 AM
stormalong 17 Sep 10 - 03:15 AM
GUEST,Hoppity 16 Sep 10 - 05:58 PM
GUEST,FloraG 16 Sep 10 - 11:22 AM
Richard Bridge 16 Sep 10 - 10:03 AM
GUEST,FloraG 16 Sep 10 - 09:48 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 16 Sep 10 - 09:20 AM
Richard Bridge 16 Sep 10 - 05:46 AM
GUEST,Ralphie 16 Sep 10 - 05:36 AM
GUEST,FloraG 16 Sep 10 - 03:30 AM
Abdul The Bul Bul 16 Sep 10 - 03:10 AM
Ralphie 15 Sep 10 - 11:59 PM
Richard Bridge 15 Sep 10 - 08:45 PM
GUEST,Mummy 15 Sep 10 - 07:16 PM
Richard Bridge 15 Sep 10 - 02:40 AM
Abdul The Bul Bul 15 Sep 10 - 02:23 AM
Richard Bridge 14 Sep 10 - 08:14 AM
Dead Horse 14 Sep 10 - 06:54 AM
Richard Bridge 13 Sep 10 - 10:28 PM
GUEST,Nualabs 13 Sep 10 - 06:59 PM
GUEST,FloraG 10 Sep 10 - 05:56 AM
banjoman 10 Sep 10 - 05:08 AM
GUEST 10 Sep 10 - 05:08 AM
GUEST,FloraG 10 Sep 10 - 03:07 AM
Kampervan 09 Sep 10 - 01:52 PM
GUEST,FloraG 09 Sep 10 - 12:11 PM
Kampervan 09 Sep 10 - 11:07 AM
Richard Bridge 09 Sep 10 - 10:23 AM
Essex Girl 09 Sep 10 - 10:06 AM
banjoman 09 Sep 10 - 06:08 AM
Abdul The Bul Bul 09 Sep 10 - 05:28 AM
Abdul The Bul Bul 09 Sep 10 - 05:27 AM
broadstairs-jen 09 Sep 10 - 04:51 AM
Richard Bridge 08 Sep 10 - 09:10 PM
Joe Offer 08 Sep 10 - 07:47 PM
GUEST,Chris Maclean 08 Sep 10 - 07:21 PM
GUEST,FloraG 08 Sep 10 - 11:58 AM
Richard Bridge 08 Sep 10 - 10:03 AM
GUEST,FloraG 08 Sep 10 - 09:25 AM
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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST,Abdul on iPhone
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 06:43 PM

Oh dear, thought this thread would die. Fido. If you must continue, please use the new Faversham thread. Not this one .


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST, Fido
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 11:57 AM

Fido's sensitive nose has been sniffing around other sources of information regarding the hop festival and detects an odour of untruth about some of the claims being made here.


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 05:53 AM

Thanks banjoman. Highlights of the Summer for me were when we were asked if we had Cds for sale - I didn't know people still bought them, and sending the money off to flood relief in Pakistan. You would have enjoyed the sessions at Faversham - good singers all. Maybe you'll make it next year.


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: banjoman
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 05:07 AM

Flora - ignore him -you have a great singing voice so keep on and thanks for all you do - keep in touch


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: stormalong
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 03:15 AM

Last year's festival (2009) was excellent from a folk perspective, but having seen the programme for this year I didn't bother going. I did look for a Faversham thread here, but, of course, didn't find it.


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST,Hoppity
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 05:58 PM

If folk singarounds were half as entertaining as this thread, I suspect they would have no problem finding a venue.


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 11:22 AM

We all have problems with the memory as we get older.
FloraG


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 10:03 AM

Modesty is a wonderful English quality.

Sometimes.

I am hard pressed Flora to remember you ever singing anything at all.


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 09:48 AM

As a singer of English songs I don't think think I have been told to take anything or leave anything yet. Kampervan has offered to investigate pubs for lunch time sing arounds and the committee are at the early stages of planning. They are considering a drop in session. ( I'm not sure how this varies from a normal session ) but I'm sure they will let us know. I think they will have a hard task of matching the quality of the C and A evening sessions but lets live in hope.

I have been at both Tenterton and Deal when very little was happening until we started something. Other years have had things more organised. ( paid)?. I think festivals vary year to year and just because something works one year does not mean it will happen the next year. I think my best concert ever was on Deal Pier when the heavens opened. What a fabulous night. Does anyone else remember that? And now they don't use the pier so the experience will never be repeated.

I've never met a Yoof, but I might add it to my list of hobies. Yoof spotting.

I do so hope Faversham continues - where would I get the pies from otherwise.
FloraG


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 09:20 AM

""I dont think you understand the meaning of some of the words you use - get a life and stop annoying people""

You might be on a loser there Banjoman, since the precise meaning of words is Richard's stock-in-trade.

He knows exactly what he is saying, and as Joe said, he can be hard to take, but at the same time, can be a bloody good friend, as I've found on numerous occasions in the past.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 05:46 AM

Actually if you check you will see that those promoting (and/or congratulating) themselves have done exactly that - but singers of English folk song (and similar) have been told (with the exception of a possible drop in session for next year) to take it or leave it.

Neither Deal nor Tenterden suffer from that attitude: there are always enough relaxed mixed sessions (in addition to some uptight ones) and they are mostly not drowned out by mid-atlantic electric rock, and although the American dancing (with PA rigs) can get a bit invasive at both it is not constant and it is not audible for nearly a mile.

I have seen one example at Deal of a person controlling the singing of songs (not in a folk club as such) and repeatedly calling embarrassing singers in stead of far better ones or providing a fair distribution, but it was only once.

Those with long memories might remember the long-gone sings (and tunes) sessions chaired by Foc'sle in the Eagle in Rochester during Sweeps. They were exemplary but were lost I think due to a disagreement betwen Foc'sle and their then agents. The three members of Focs'le made sure that all incoming singers were identified, and that singers were given two songs warning of impending call without simply going round the room (which is at risk of "place jumping", which I have heard criticised at Broadstairs - not in Bob's sessions) or undue favouritism (which I have also heard criticised in a different session in Broadstairs, again not Bob's) - and, like the club tent at Cambridge (when it was a folk festival) booked artists were encouraged to drop in and were fitted in for just a couple of songs as and when arriving.

John Barden's "sing-a-Z" sessions are almost always great fun, wherever they are, and I have usually enjoyed No Worries slightly less free-form sessions at the Ship in Deal.

Alas Sweeps has (maybe "had" in that it has been taking active steps to reduce street nuisance) also since come to suffer from too much lager and too much mid-atlantic electric rock and the people who like (and people who purvey) both, but it has at least preserved the admirable Good Intent sessions (as well as more rigid ones) . In Faversham there is no equivalent, and the singers of English folk songs and similar are not being served (although the trend may be dented halted or reversed next year, which would it seems not have happened had I not made this thread and pursued it). The overall flavour of Faversham this year (and indeed the targetted market if you read the piece from the Publican about preparations) - including the closure of three pubs (allegedly in one case not under compulsion but by licensee initiative) - was a more than sufficient basis for my joshing (and not very original) intitulation of the thread.

I know of one case in which young-ish male members of a side needed to get rather physical in defence of the side from "yoof" and another in which middle aged women (sorry for the ungallant reference, you know who you are) needed physically to deal with other "yoof" - oh yes, and a drummer who found he needed to offer to use his sticks innovatively - and there may be others examples of the problems of the recent Faversham.

If you want to be ostriches, feel free.


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 05:36 AM

Hi Abdul and FloraG.
Please don't get me wrong. I'm sure that the majority who attended this year had a perfectly wonderful time.
The Hop Festival was always a high point during the years I lived there. I know only too well how much work (mainly unsung) that goes into running it. I hope that all the organisers and publicans can get together during the winter, and build an even better event next year.
Faversham is a lovely town, with some great people. Good luck for next year.
I might even pop down for old times sake!


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 03:30 AM

Ralphie - most of the comments have been very positive about Faversham. Its really nice that publicans and members of the committee have taken time to make comments/ answer suggestions on how the festival might be run / improved next year despite the disparaging title the thread was given.

If Mr Bridge chooses not to attend the C and A or the Bear session that is his choice - not the fault of the festival. I did not hear of anyone else who had problems. Me - I'm in the middle of negotiating a private booking for next September and I'm trying hard to encourage the theatre group not to pick the first week in September. Were missing Deal and Tenterdon this year because of bookings - which is a shame as we have been going most years since both festivals started and have enjoyed whatever programme the organising committees have put on.
FloraG


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 03:10 AM

......and all of it uunder the annoying title of Chaversham and not Faversham. As above Joe, this seems to be dragging on and on, can you change the thread to Faversham Hop Festival?
Al


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Ralphie
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 11:59 PM

I'm really saddened to read this thread. What used to be a joyous weekend seems to have descended into mindless bickering.
I wish next years Festival all the best. But I'm not holding out much hope at the moment.


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 08:45 PM

Of course you are.


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST,Mummy
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 07:16 PM

So what exactly is it Mr. Bridge brings to the festival other than his opinions? Would he like to steward? Run a singaround? Organise a stage and its' artistes? I am genuinely interested and not trying to score points.


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 02:40 AM

That is excellent news


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 02:23 AM

The drop in singing session was discusssed at the FFC committee meet and agreed in principle so should be happening atthe 2011 Festival. One problem for the folk club is the proximity of the Chimney Boy to the Preston St Stage however I'm told this may not be a problem next year.
Al


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Sep 10 - 08:14 AM

Surprisingly apt.


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Dead Horse
Date: 14 Sep 10 - 06:54 AM

I prefer Matthew 7:6 "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
And the old proverb: You can lead a horse to water, but beer is best.


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 10:28 PM

While I do not usually cite the Bible, Matthew 7:5 comes to mind in certain respects.

Nuala, in general this thread has been unusually and perhaps unnecessarily restrained, to the point of lack of clarity. Let me put this positively: Bob Kenward never gives (as far as I know) the impression that he thinks of himself as more important than the session, and I have never seen him apparently give studied insult to particular participants.


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST,Nualabs
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 06:59 PM

I am sure that if we work with the committee and the folk club, venues in and around the town can be organised. I would imagine the Elephant and the C&A are ideal for a short walk on tired feet to the camp site!

Bob's sessions were great last year, they were also timed to work in between the other music. Sometimes he was so popular that the sessions merged!

Please consider talking to the pubs, most I am sure will accommodate.

Trying to convince people that our lovely town in not just chavs and white lightning is like trying to convince some people that all Muslims are not terrorists, all rottweilers are savage etc. They will believe what they choose to believe regardless of the truth. However we are here to correct wrong statements. There is something that I find strange, there are places and events I don't like, so I don't go there.

I also forgot to put my name on a guest post, and just for the record the Landlady of The Old Wine Vaults.

Nuala


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 05:56 AM

Since I found some really offensive name calling on this site last year I have tended to keep an eye out for it. I notice one of the Morris sides who were so abused were not at faversham this year - I do hope it was not because of the name calling.

I spent a lot of my working life explaining to children how hurtful name calling could be, how unneccessay, and how sad people think it is OK when it isn't. I like to think I had some success at this. When anyone finds it and where ever they find it I think it is important that they point this out.
   
FloraG


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: banjoman
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 05:08 AM

Richard - your response emphasise the point I was making - I dont think you understand the meaning of some of the words you use - get a life and stop annoying people


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Subject: Anyone for more threads about festivals?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 05:08 AM

Go, enjoy. For pity's sake don't bore the rest of us with it.


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 03:07 AM

Kampervan
What a good offer. Do let the committee know as they might be able to publicise any event. They have a feedback section on the official site. I have found that sessions are more likely to work if you can get 3 or 4 friends who are likely to support. I am usually lucky as with the C and A we had 5 members of Priory this year who supported both evenings and at Broadstairs members of the OT Band when we did the Crown session. This then tends to attract others in. Have some jolly tune sets prepared so you can follow any 50 verse balad singers. Enjoy.
FloraG


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Kampervan
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 01:52 PM

Lunchtime sessions would be fine. They used to run in the Phoenix from around 12 -3pm on Sat and Sunday, sometimes they went on longer.

The main problem with that was that the space was a bit limited if there was a big crowd. There were some very good evening sessions too, especially when Trommelflut (spelling?) were around.

It's only in the last couple of years that the only singing sessions that I've found (Synbyn at the Vaults excepted) have been at the Crown and Anchor; and, for very good reasons, they don't start until quite late.


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 12:11 PM

Kampervan - I'm not sure there would be enough interest in a day long session, as most of the likely singers are morrising, mumming or stewarding. I know a lot of the faversham folk club have been stewards in the past. You might get enough for a lunch time session.
FloraG


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Kampervan
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 11:07 AM

Essex Girl

Well I certainly would. I wonder if the Bull or the Three Tuns would be interested in hosting a session. If the demand was there I would be happy to talk to them.

K/van


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 10:23 AM

If, Banjoman, you are addressing me, in the only discussions here in which I remember you you have been gratuitously offensive (whereas I am purposefully offensive). I thought you were someone else or I would not have cut you the slack I did.


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Essex Girl
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 10:06 AM

Last year I went to Faversham just for the Saturday after an absence of many years. Bob Kenward ran a good session in the Old Wine Vaults at lunchtime but the late afternoon one was ruined by the amplified music from the garden. I fully appreciate the fact that the landlord has to make money and that this weekend is probably the busiest all year and he has to make the most of it. This year I came down to dance with Gongs during the day and find a music session in the evening. I enjoyed the Crown and Anchor on Friday (too tired to go anywhere on Saturday night).For musicians/singers wanting music all day (like the Good Intent in Rochester) couldn't interested parties contact the publicans in the pubs just a bit away from the noise and the crows in the centre? I'm sure that if they were assured of custom all day they would be happy to have a session. If one was organised in advance it could go in the programme. Anyone willing to give it a try?


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: banjoman
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 06:08 AM

I hesitate to form opinions of peple I have only had the pleasure of meeting once (you probably dont remember) but it seems that in any discussion which you enter into on Mudcat the only opinion that matters is yours. Get a life


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 05:28 AM

Joe, this thread may not die yet, can we change the name to Faversham?
Al


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 05:27 AM

Faversham Folk Club Comittee meeting meeting on Monday Jen, Will formally start the ball rolling then. Seems the best route to me. Does seem daft not to have any drop in singarounds at all.
Al


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: broadstairs-jen
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 04:51 AM

i find it interesting that each of our local town festivals (sweeps, broadstairs, faversham) are being blamed for the english problem of drunken youths on the streets (although i saw none at faversham this year). surely the problem is not a festival issue, but is much broader and although the festivals work with the police to prevent issues, the streets in general need cleaning up.

i had a great time at faversham this year although agree that i personally would love to see more folk music. shall we get back to discussing how this could happen?

jen


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 09:10 PM

1. Ah, sorry, I thought the lower case L was a typing error.
2. Irony or humour by way of lampoon depend on sufficient accuracy. See footnote.
3. Again - I said "appears" ignorant.
4. Some of the buildings in Faversham are very nice.
5. I offered no definition of "chav".

Footnote:

"Verbal irony is a disparity of expression and intention: when a speaker says one thing but means another, or when a literal meaning is contrary to its intended effect. An example of this is when someone says "Oh, that's beautiful", when what they mean (probably conveyed by their tone) is they find "that" quite ugly.

Dramatic irony is a disparity of expression and awareness: when words and actions possess a significance that the listener or audience understands, but the speaker or character does not. For example when a character says to another "I'll love you until I die!" not realizing a piano is about to crush them.

Situational irony is the disparity of intention and result: when the result of an action is contrary to the desired or expected effect. Likewise, cosmic irony is disparity between human desires and the harsh realities of the outside world. By some definitions, situational irony and cosmic irony are not irony at all, which is quite ironic."


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 07:47 PM

Chris, you have to understand Richard - he's just like that. Despite all that, many of us have come to like him. He's what you might call "an acquired taste."

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST,Chris Maclean
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 07:21 PM

Richard;
1/I'm sorry I failed to understand your definition of chav -obviously I must be one.
2/I'm sorry you should think I'm ignorant
3/I'm sorry you can't spell my name right either
4/I'm sorry you think Faversham is such a dreadful place
5/I'm sorry you failed to spot irony or humour
Life must seem very bleak for you.
I wish you luck in your efforts to improve the folk profile here.

Chris


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 11:58 AM

Richard
The concept of ownership is an interesting one. We were there at the start many moons ago when we asked the landlord if it was OK to play, when the pub had squeeky dog toys and a customer who would always do an Irish dance set if we played appropriate music. Both alas no more. However, most of the effort is put in by those from priory, gundulf and the mummers who can be relied on to audience, join in with songs, and take turns to lead with appropriate choice of material. Organising it is the easy job when you have such a reliable crowd, most of whom have been going as long as us. If there is any model of ownership it is a collective one.


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 10:03 AM

Chris MacLean - 1. The google ranking is none of my doing. There are hundreds of other sources for the term "Chaversham" than me.
2. I'll try again. Not knowing obscure folk songs does not make one a chav or an oaf, but if one is a chav or oaf one is unlikely to know many obscure folk songs. Is that clearer to you?
3. The reference to folk songs as "Kelly-Pom-Tiddle" appears to be (which was what I said - "appears" ) ignorance.

Flora
4. So it is your session then? And you run it? Not Priory?
5. A session where all may join in is not the same as one where all can join in.
6. Songs should wherever possible be in the singer's key - certainly if the singer has already started.


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 09:25 AM

We had a couple of fine singers from the Gong Scourers on Friday night. I don't know if they play, dance or just dress up as Gong Scourers. They were very welcome.

Bob, I think you are right in encouraging the type of song that everyone can join in with. The sort of song we would do for a paid set is not always right in an open pub session. Likewise I try to do the accompanied repetoire in G or D - so the melodeons ( bless them ) can join in, even though these might not be the best key for the singer. The tunes sets I played over the weekend were determined by the penny whistle player who is still on book one - but doing very well. The mummers nearly always do choras songs or amusing ones. If we have a not so appropriate solo singer I often swap the order of who sings when so I know the next singer will pick up the tempo.

I'm sure the C and A session would go on if I wasn't there but since we first asked the landlord if it was OK to use the pub - somewhat more than five years ago - I've fallen into the habit of making sure everything runs smoothly. I've been in other sessions where the host dominated the singing or there were too many precious songs/ tune sets that had little interest to anyone but the performer. From what I've read of the weekend this has obviosly worked well enough as other sessions have come and gone but ours is still going.

FloraG


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 08:47 AM

My apologies for not putting my name to the last "Guest" post. It was an oversight.
Richard, I don't understand "Horse, cart, Guest".
Yes, "Chaversham" does feature on Google. And your post is third on the list. It is your vitriol that helps perpetuate this myth.
How can you presume I am "supremely ignorant about folk song?" What do you know about me that suggests that?
I am sure it isn't necessary to shovel such unpleasantness into a genuine debate about concerns about folk provision at the Hop Festival. You certainly haven't warmed me to the idea!
It's odd ~ I thought I could help!
Chris Maclean


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 08:15 AM

Horse, cart, Guest.

Google "Chaversham" - you will find all the evidence you might want.

People are not oafs or chavs because they do not know obscure songs, but because they are oafs or chavs they do not know them. You also appear to be supremely ignorant about folk song.

Bob - yes, I am strongly in favour of "all join in". That does not mean dumbing down to "the Wild Rover".

PS: I meant, of course "principle" not "principal".


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: synbyn
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 07:53 AM

Richard, I know you're on the side of the folkie, sometimes I just cavil at your way of expressing it! I'm sure your heart is in the right place.
As you may have noticed, I've run singarounds/ open mike sessions over the years as requested and now think that the session in which all present join in as often as possible right through over say a two-hour span is the way I like to go- purely personally- as there seems to be a shared understanding, a swelling of mutual sound, a harmony, which doesn't automatically arise where individual performers do slots.
In sessions like this, it's the host's part to ensure that everyone gets to lead fairly, that other performers accompany sympathetically and that ( the part I particulary enjoy) there is a balanced variety of music and song throughout. In my experience it's quite rare for that to arise spontaneously- often the ablest performers take things away from the others at their pace. The very best, of course, are usually pretty generous in helping others along if the session is set up and explained beforehand... think of CT or SM or CS or KK or Liam Robinson in this respect...
So we all have our preferences, and will find venues suitable- and at the end of the day, if we find ourselves in the auction room with an unsold lot, may reflect that we just didn't bring what people wanted to take home with them... any more grizzled philosophy comes in my slim volume 'Life, 6 Chords & A Capon'.....
Bob


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST, Poxicat
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 05:46 AM

Is Flora Green is completely right in what she says to Fido above?

The Crown and Anchor evening song sessions are always run by her, from the centre of the room, even if there have been others in there singing or playing before she arrives. This may affect her perspective. It may affect the perspective of others. For about 5 years (until last year) surely she (with Andy her husband) led in Gundulf kit. Now she is not with Gundulf and may be with Priory. I am also slightly surprised by her assertion that Gong Scourers were in her part of the C&A this year: as far as I know their main musicians were elsewhere both evenings.

However a lunchtime mixed session at the Chimney Boy (maybe upstairs, where it could run on if wished) would be a good idea. I think it was floated further up the page.

I fear however that there are already widespread reports on the internet about low-life behaviour in Faversham, not just during the hop festival. See for example http://www.chavtowns.co.uk/2004/10/chavershamfaversham/


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 04:31 AM

I'm sure your right (landlady guest). Having seen Rochester become a playground for 15 year olds over the years I have not had that feeling from Faversham.

Fido - priory morris run the C and A sing arounds as they have always done but well supported by Gundulf, Faversham folk club and the mummers and this year we had people from the Goood Intent, Dead Horse, Gong Scourers and Sompting. We know most of the people by name as they come back every year, so I think we get more things right than wrong. More singers than musicians but it is not exclusive.

What I don't understand is why Brogdale and the local schools are not more involved. It would seem an obvious venue/ date for Brogdale to publicise its work and offer trips round the site for people staying the weekend. ( Both the caravan and the caravan and camping club had sites for the weekend). We met a trustee of the Kent Wildlife trust and saw their stall but nothing from Brogdale.

Could faversham folk club run a lunchtime sing around?

We were the band for a local charity event this year and we raised £2000 for the air Ambulance - but the local state school did a country dance display and a local dance school and Flyball club were involved. The scouts sold vast numbers of beefburgers and hot dogs.   I'm sure Faversham has equally enterprising organisations.

However, its easy to make suggestions without doing any of the work involved from someone who does not live in the area. I do hope that there is enough local interest for the festival to continue and having been involved with Hepstead I do understand how much of a committment it is to organise anything like this - it is a bit like OFSTED - so much easier to critisise and then run - than roll your sleeves up and get involved.

FloraG


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Sep 10 - 08:02 PM

I believe there is a "debrief" for the hop festival that I will be going to and letting other publicans and businesses know about. I believe we all have the interests of the festival at heart, personally not just from a business point of view. I moved here when I was 16 and have every time I moved away I have moved back. I am proud of Faversham but not blinkered to it's faults. However the reputation it has is far worse than the reality, an example of this is the rumours (not just on here but other blogs etc) that pubs were shut by the police. I think the Hop Festival promotes the town very well.

I think we need to look at the timings of bands so we can fit music to all tastes, maybe themed venues is the way forward. I am sure lots of ideas will come out and maybe some will be tried. The important thing is that we have one next year. There are lots of pubs of all shapes and sizes around the town so there will be venues to suit most.

Skynflint did a great job riunning the sessions and these fitted in with other music at The OWV, but it is very hard to keep people quiet when they are having a good time. I was more than happy, but I have to try different things. Many traditionist do not like Sur Le Docks, but Saturday night they were great and enjoyed by many, who all seemed to be singing along and even praying at one point with the band (you would have had to be there!). Thanks Synbyn for getting them they really ended the night well. This is only my second so I am on a learning curve!
PS I am a Landlady!


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: GUEST, Fido
Date: 07 Sep 10 - 05:58 PM

synbyn, here you ignore both the facts and the elephant in the room, although your songs show your observation.

There weren't venueS (plural) providing for folk song this year.

There was the the Crown and Anchor (well out of the centre) that had two sessions - Friday night and Saturday night: both led by whom?


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Subject: RE: Chaversham Hop Festival (3-5 Sept 2010)
From: synbyn
Date: 07 Sep 10 - 03:26 PM

Agreed,K/van, which was why I brought in Skynflynt last year- divided, the fee barely covered Rob's petrol... Nuala & David have done a terrific job in turning the Vaults round, and it was an unknown quantity- you'd not have had a singaround in there in previous years! And the Phoenix, the previous venue, was out of action. Both Sat & Sun morning sessions were workable, but on Sat we were asked to recommence in a room full of drinkers, which we did, and you may remember a couple of local girls who'd never sung doing so & dancing... I do agree that a quiet room is ideal for those that wish to play to each other and aren't concerned with outside events- and it seems there are venues providing this, so I can't quite see what the beef is.


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