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michaelr 17 Nov 12 - 08:03 PM
GUEST,999 17 Nov 12 - 04:12 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 17 Nov 12 - 03:04 PM
Ron Davies 16 Nov 12 - 10:31 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 16 Nov 12 - 10:17 PM
ollaimh 15 Nov 12 - 11:17 PM
gnu 15 Nov 12 - 06:06 PM
Richard Bridge 15 Nov 12 - 04:33 PM
kendall 15 Nov 12 - 01:51 PM
gnu 15 Nov 12 - 01:33 PM
GUEST,Teribus 07 Mar 12 - 01:07 AM
gnu 06 Mar 12 - 03:49 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 05 Mar 12 - 03:41 PM
Don Firth 05 Mar 12 - 03:30 PM
GUEST,jts 05 Mar 12 - 11:37 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 05 Mar 12 - 11:17 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 04 Mar 12 - 04:34 PM
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gnu 04 Mar 12 - 08:16 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: michaelr
Date: 17 Nov 12 - 08:03 PM

Witch hunt? Really? These fuckers fouled hundreds of miles of coastline, killed untold wildlife, and ruined the livelihoods of thousands of Gulf Coast fishermen and tourism providers and employees.

Richard Bridge, you are an idiot.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 17 Nov 12 - 04:12 PM

Ditto what Q said.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Nov 12 - 03:04 PM

BP has offshore interests in Arctic Canada. Their sloppy, cost-cutting practices are a worry to all of us in Canada.
Our regulations are abysmal, worse that those applied by the U.S. agencies.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Ron Davies
Date: 16 Nov 12 - 10:31 PM

It is is certainly interesting that Mr.Bridge has such a soft spot for this firm.    Read "blind spot".

So even those who love to wave the Marxist flag have an amazing liking for some of the biggest capitalists going.   One might even think there was a bit of hypocrisy here.    Nah, not a chance.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Nov 12 - 10:17 PM

There are still possible criminal charges against some BP individuals.

Hang 'em high!


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: ollaimh
Date: 15 Nov 12 - 11:17 PM

poor suffering british petroleum just pead guilty to many criminal offences and there are still pending charges against some company officers. there is still a civil lawsuit.

its so terribel this holocoust against the down trodden britsh


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: gnu
Date: 15 Nov 12 - 06:06 PM

"Witchhunt"? Ain't which about which witch spiled the oil. If your neighbour pisses on your flowers and destroys them, he owes you for the flowers.

BTW, you might think otherwise when all that piss starts fouling YOUR shoreline. It's on it's way. Just a matter of time.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Nov 12 - 04:33 PM

You can't fight a witchhunt.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: kendall
Date: 15 Nov 12 - 01:51 PM

The cost of doing business (in a half assed way).


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: gnu
Date: 15 Nov 12 - 01:33 PM

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- BP announced Thursday it settled criminal charges with the U.S. government over the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill for $4.5 billion. But that won't resolve some of the biggest liabilities still facing the company.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 07 Mar 12 - 01:07 AM

"BP took a hit in The Gulf. BP, who was just setting up operations in Libya, wanted to renegotiate the RECENT deal with Quackdaffy and he said no, so... BOOM. Of course, that was after BP pulled out it's employees."

Ludicrous.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: gnu
Date: 06 Mar 12 - 03:49 PM

I hope you didn't include me, Q. I know how companies finance. I know companies employ. Fact is, I only was making comment on the fact that "I" believe big oil starts wars with their own resources and relies on government(s) military resources to back them up. People die. Countless thousands in a decade or so.

I've said it before on other threads, including this one, I think. BP took a hit in The Gulf. BP, who was just setting up operations in Libya, wanted to renegoiate the RECENT deal with Quackdaffy and he said no, so... BOOM. Of course, that was after BP pulled out it's employees. A buddy of mine was in charge of those operations. Last time I heard from him was to let me know he was home safe and sound... just down the road from you.

I understand, to an uneducated extent, war and I believe it has three valid purposes. Ensuring future existence, culling the population, and opposing oppression (far too seldom on the last one). That does not mean I have to like war. Of course, I realize that my standard of living WAS won and continues to be sustained with the barrel of a gun and that I would much rather be on the team that wins. Still, to see the horror sickens me. Perhaps I am a hypocrite?


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Mar 12 - 03:41 PM

Of course the stockholders gain dividends in a well-run corporation, the dividends determined by the board based on profit, and they are reported as profit. The other payments are included in gross income, but most will appear as expenses in the tax forms.

Not sure what its is trying to quarrel about; I have been an infinitesimal stockholder in a number of corporations, and know that any dividend I receive is based on profit after expenses, but these expenses include money withheld for future use in exploration, perceived increases in expenses, additions to base, acquisitions, etc. I was merely trying to point out this fact to those who look at the gross income of a company and regard that with dismay.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Mar 12 - 03:30 PM

"...but it is impossible to make a logical case for the resource companies being responsible for wars...."

???????

Q, you're dealing in extremes, here. It's not "either / or."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: GUEST,jts
Date: 05 Mar 12 - 11:37 AM

Q,

"the bulk of income used to pay stockholders, thousands of employees, operations, and a small bit set aside for future needs."

You list "paying stock holders" first. Are you totally ignorant of how corporate business works or are you deliberately attempting to mislead?

Profits belong to the stock holders. Simply put. Revenue minus expenses equals the stockholders return on investment. Dividends and other forms of shareholder payout have to be counted as profit.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 05 Mar 12 - 11:17 AM

""To the point, BP has a new guide boss for their exploration; we hope that they have learned their lesson.""

Me too, and the lesson I hope they've learned is to ditch the US companies and make and fit their own blowout preventers and move the rigs using their own people. That way they'll only foot the bill for their own mistakes.

Looks as though we were right and the US firms are skating out from under on a teflon sleigh.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Mar 12 - 04:34 PM

The usual cloud 13 lefties have entered this thread, and may ruin it as they have so many, cluttering it with nonsense.

To the point, BP has a new guide boss for their exploration; we hope that they have learned their lesson.

As briefly noted by Terribus, the well-being of BP affects a great many people, including most of those posting here, if they have savings in banks, pension funds, or stocks of the many companies that depend on the resource industry. Anyone who looks into the resource companies knows that profits are seldom more than the 10 percent that any business hopes for, the bulk of income used to pay stockholders, thousands of employees, operations, and a small bit set aside for future needs.
(Odd, few attack the current biggies, Apple and the like)

Oil is important, but it is impossible to make a logical case for the resource companies being responsible for wars and their bombs, etc.

The progress of restitution for damages in the Gulf is only beginning; BP itself has set aside 20 billion and may have to add to that if the U. S. government exacts penalties, and settlements are made for loss of revenue due to environmental damage, and consequent decisions by vacationers and businessmen to look elsewhere for their needs and interests.

Terribus strongly supports UK business and seems to have a special love for BP; the company has made mistakes and must pay for them. BP, however, will continue to be strong, and develop its potential in other energy sources as well as in petroleum.

I have raised the terrible ire of Teribus at times, but with regard to the importance and continuation of the world's current system of capitalism, I agree with his views.
Controls and improvements will always be needed, but reversion to some form of communal living is impossible.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 04 Mar 12 - 10:19 AM

"The wars are NOT about oil?"

Nope.

"Well, capitalism is utterly incapable, and probably uninterested in regulating itself, and concerns itself with making money for the few, at the expense of the many. It's ever been thus and ever will be. The whole system is short-termist and unsustainable."

Capitalism hasn't done so bad so far, and has proved to be a damn sight more durable than any socialist utopia promised by many and delivered by no-one.

Ah "making money for the few at the expense of the many2

What complete and utter crap, i can almost hear the violins in the background. Go and find out who "owns" most of the shares in any company or on any stock market in the world - unions, pension funds and insurance companies.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: gnu
Date: 04 Mar 12 - 08:16 AM

"What the hell has BP got to do with cruise missiles and the like."

The wars are NOT about oil? Hmmm...


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Stu
Date: 04 Mar 12 - 07:03 AM

"but I do subscribe to the FACT that "big evil corporations" are recklessly destroying the biosphere"

Well, capitalism is utterly incapable, and probably uninterested in regulating itself, and concerns itself with making money for the few, at the expense of the many. It's ever been thus and ever will be. The whole system is short-termist and unsustainable.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 04 Mar 12 - 05:29 AM

" ... or do [you] subscribe to Little Hawks ludicrous comic book notion of big evil companies and corporations that are planning global domination and the enslavement and destruction of the human race."

No, Teribus, but I do subscribe to the FACT that "big evil corporations" are recklessly destroying the biosphere - which will lead, inevitably, to the destruction of the human race.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 04 Mar 12 - 03:28 AM

Rather confusing post there gnu.

What the hell has BP got to do with cruise missiles and the like.

Particularly liked the last bit:

"Go BP...straight to hell"

How idiotic - if it did, what would go to hell would be the pensions and retirement funds of millions of people - or do subscribe to Little Hawks ludicrous comic book notion of big evil companies and corporations that are planning global domination and the enslavement and destruction of the human race.

Court cases over this are not over by a long shot and the real culprits Halliburton and Transocean will be rightly brought to task.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: gnu
Date: 03 Mar 12 - 08:09 PM

$7.8B US settlement. Enough? And, of course, add to that the cost of all the cruise missiles and deaths and such.

Enjoy yer time at the gas pumps.

Go BP... straight to hell.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 03:52 PM

An interesting review, much the same data discussed in several reports.
There seems to be blame affixing to all participants, but of course the operator was responsible.
The report of the Committee will be eagerly awaited.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 08:08 AM

An internal safety review passed to the Today programme shows that Transocean - the company operating BP's Deepwater Horizon oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico - narrowly avoided a similar accident in the North Sea, four months earlier.
The blowout happened on Shell's Sedco 711 platform on 23 December last year as the Transocean crew was preparing to switch from a drilling operation to production, bringing the reservoir in stream.

The report, a nine-page safety review of the incident, details a series of errors and misjudgements that led to the blowout.

In a marked parallel with the Deepwater Horizon disaster, key indicators that something was going badly wrong were either misinterpreted or discounted - in this case in favour of a positive pressure test from a valve at the base of the well.

That valve had been dislodged, or damaged, in earlier operations and the report concludes: "The risk perception of barrier failure was blinkered by the positive inflow test."

By the time the crew realised there was a problem oil and gas from the reservoir was forcing its way up the drill shaft and out onto the rig.

Crucially there was not enough heavy mud available to pump back down into the well, counteracting the kick, or surge of gas and oil. A major spill was averted only when the BOP, or blowout preventer, was activated capping-off the well on the sea floor.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/today/tomfeilden/2010/12/a_near_miss_for_the_north_sea.html


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Nov 10 - 12:40 AM

"However, BP corporate decisions led to the Texas City 'massacre'"

What caused your Texas City 'massacre' was a decision taken 7 years before BP even owned the refinery, a decision taken the Amoco management of the day who did not lose their jobs, and who were not replaced by BP when they took over the refinery, so the place retained its working practices and safety culture - "business as usual".

Go back and read through the coverage of the Deepwater Horizon Blow Out and count the articles where any of the other players are mentioned by name. Mind you for some it has been an education, after all at the start of this thread you have people insisting that it was BP doing the drilling.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 09:17 PM

Damage to coral may bode ill for Gulf
Cain Burdeau, Associated Press, Nov. 6, 2010

Federal scientists have found damage to deep sea coral and other marine life on the ocean floor several miles from the blown-out BP well. Damage could be considerably greater than officials had acknowledged. Charles Fisher, biologist with Pennsylvania State Univ. who led the expedition aboard a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Research vessel. "He said "There is an abundance of circumstantial data that suggests that what happened is related to the recent oil spill."
Most of the bottom is muddy, but coral areas are oases for marine life.

Will oil bring death to Gulf's rich web of life?
Miami Herald-Tribune, Kate Spinner, Nov. 6, 2010.
Worries voiced by David Hollander, chemical oceanographer, Univ. South Florida. The extent of damage to plankton may not be known for 1-2 years.

Dr. William Rea, Environmental Health Center, Dallas, expert on chemical injury, has been featured in several articles concerning illnesses associated with the oil spill.
A recent one, Nov. 11 on TV, concerns the dispersant used by BP.
"Health impacts include headaches, vomiting, diarrhoea, abdominal pains, chest pains, respiratory system damage, skin sensitisation, hypertension, central nervous system (CNS) depression, neurotoxic effects, cardiac arrhythmia and cardiovascular damage. The chemicals are also teratogenic, mutagenic and carcinogenic."
1.9 million gallons were released. The impact may not be known for some time. Ingestion in food is a major worry.
http://planetthrive.com/2010/11/dr-rea-treating-bp-oil-spill-victims/

From article by Dahr Jamail, Nov. 10, 2010.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: robomatic
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 06:41 PM

I was irritated by the very public quote in which counsel said they'd studied the 'heck' out of the matter and: "We have not seen a single instance where a human being made a conscious decision to favour dollars over safety."
Reason is, most executives don't make a conscious decision to 'do bad things'. I know plenty of BP folks (most of 'em in the US are American, BTW, and they don't get up in the morning saying "I'm going to foster corporate profits by endangering the lives of my fellow workers."

However, BP corporate decisions led to the Texas City 'massacre' and at least one fatal accident on the North Slope and they for sure contributed to the Offshore debacle in this instance. They are not alone, but they are not wide-eyed innocents. They played with safety margins at the very least.

Now they haven't got off scot free and I think they are entitled to seek co-payments from some of the other involved companies, but that counsel really irritated me.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 06:34 PM

Are you sure it was an English Setter or maybe it was an Irish Setter or a Black Welsh Setter, Jack The Sailor?

Fancy having a go at a dog.

You Yanks got it wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 06:26 PM

yes, of course, I didn't read your post so I am a bigot. Makes as much sense as the premise of this thread.
I once scolded an English setter for crapping on my lawn. That makes me a bigot to.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 06:17 PM

So, Jack, why don't you read my explanation about a million posts above about the difference between liability for the negligence of an employee and liability for the negligence of a subcontractor, and then point us to the words of the lease that make BP liable for the damage caused by their subcontractors, or STFO?

Or maybe you're a bigot?


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 06:03 PM

There is no relationship between the failure of a tanker crew and the collapse of control by those in charge of a complex drilling operation.

And let's hope that safeguards result from the investigation into the drilling catastrophe.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 04:45 PM

Who would know better?


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 04:17 PM

This is the Exxon of the Exxon Valdez fame is it?


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 02:06 PM

Wall Street Journal, Nov. 10, 2010.

Testimony led this week by Messrs. Graham and Reilly has painted a picture of managers aboard the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig .....operating on the fly, changing complex plans and making a series of decisions that increased the risks of a catastrophic blowout.
While commission officials stopped short of blaming these decisions on a desire to cut costs, they have said that cost pressures loomed over the operation.
Exxon Mobil CEO Rex Tillerson told Commission members Tuesday that it was critical for the industry to instill a strong safety culture. "It's in the companies' best interests to improve in this area," he said.
The Interior Dept. has asked Congress for an additional $75 million to hire more-skilled workers, such as petroleum engineers, instead of relying so much on rig inspectors using a check-the-box oversight approach.
It isn't clear whether the request will find support among newly empowered Republicans in Congress or from oil-industry leaders.

Mr Tilerson, Exxon Mobil CEO, pointed out that it would be tough for regulatory agancies to hire people skilled enough in the complex technology of deepwater drilling to oversee such operations effectively. "We are an industry hiring the best and brightest people, and we pay them so they will come work for us," he said. "It's a difficult challenge for [regulatory agencies] to have people at the same levelof competency."


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 01:38 PM

Someone did wrong. BP registered an environmental impact statement, as a condition of that lease, saying that they were capable of dealing with a hundred thousand barrels per day. They were and are responsible for their subcontractors. If they can collect in court the damages from those subcontractors, well and good. But they were and are responsible, even if not at fault.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 01:16 PM

Obama is a great improvement on the previous incumbent - but if you think back to the beginning there were many loudmouthed American jackasses (a bit like Sheriff GW Pepper in the early Bond films) all going for the alien.

Obama is supposed to be (and often is) interested in right and wrong (as, it seems to me, Bush's memoirs make plain that Bush was not). That someone has deep pockets or has the lease does not mean that they did wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 12:19 PM

He got tough with the principal owner of the lease. He got tough with the largest, most visible company with the biggest pockets.

You need to take the chip off your shoulder.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 12:14 PM

Well judge for yourself

BP - Field operator with 65% interest in the Field with exploration phase just ending - Foreign Multi-National;

Andarko Petroleum - Field Operator with 25% interest in the Field - American;

MOEX - Field Operator with 10% interest in the Field - American;

Halliburton - Service Contractor - Who fucked up and got caught in a lie - American;

Transocean - Drilling Contractor - Who fucked up - American
MMS - US Government Regulatory Body - Who fucked up - American;


Now guess who Barak Obama decided to get tough with???

Doesn't take a bloody genius does it, to identify who gets selected to fulfil the role of the "Big Bad Wolf" in Saint Obama's grandstanding - couldn't possibly be an American Company or a US Government Department could it? After all it would look bad in the press.

The continual references to "British Petroleum" which he knew damn well how to play. Well what goes round comes round. My guess is that when it comes to the gross/criminal negligence part it is going to be MMS & Transocean that get the roasting, particularly the idiots who by-passed and disabled the rigs safety systems and alarms.

And of course the Transocean employees who modified the BOP and plumbed it back incorrectly. Then there is the Transocean employee who took 40 minutes to react to the indications that the well was going to blow. Oh yeah JTS - Big Bad BP right enough - bloody pathetic.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 11:57 AM

Of course Obama was tough on BP, they had the leased the oilfield from the Feds, had they not? But implying that it was anti-British bigotry is beyond silly.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 12:27 AM

"I think the money that BP paid out was as much an admission that you will see from any company. They didn't take tens of billions of dollars off their bottom lines as a favor to Halliburton."

As the Licenced Operator of the field BP lived up to and honoured what it saw as its obligations, it did this waiving its right to hide behind the 75 million US$ liability cap. It did all this voluntarily while your President "Grandstanding" for the press was shooting his mouth off about "kicking ass" and keeping his "boot on the necks of BP". No such talk from Saint Obama about either Halliburton or TransOcean sharing the load although it is now perfectly apparent that it was they who were to blame to some considerable extent. Quite the contrary both Halliburton and TransOcean continued to profit from the accident by providing rigs, crews and support for the relief well drilling operations so in effect they got paid 200% extra to work on the job that they fucked up.

Not to worry though, they will be dragged through the courts and BP will have its pay day from both.

Of the other culprit, the US Regulatory Body, we have not heard a peep. Short-comings there were so bad they had to bury the shame by changing its name. Of all involved if any "body" showed that it needed reform it was them.

By the bye the emphasis was put on "that day" because the investigation was after all about the incident that occurred on the 20th April 2010, please do not be so blinkered as to suppose that if throughout the drilling of the Macondo Well the Operator and contractors put profit before safety right up until the last day the chief investigator would not mention it.

And Q is perfectly correct there is a long way to go yet, lawyers not qualified on the date of this incident will have very successful careers and retire on the proceeds from the cases arising from it. Personally I cannot wait for the reports relating to the BOP to come out, I do not think that TransOcean are so keen though.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Nov 10 - 07:11 PM

I heard the head of the commission say that they did not trade safety for lowers costs that day. and he stressed, that day.

I think the money that BP paid out was as much an admission that you will see from any company. They didn't take tens of billions of dollars off their bottom lines as a favor to Halliburton.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Nov 10 - 06:17 PM

Sorry- Missing line in Reilly statement-
"....BP, Haliburton and Transocean are major respected companies operating throughout the Gulf and the evidence is... need........ reform."


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Nov 10 - 06:11 PM

Wall Street Journal, Nov. 9, 2010

The federal panel is seeking to move beyond findings that rig workers "didn't consciously put costs ahead of safety."
"The problem here is that there was a culture that did not promote safety and that culture failed," said Bob Graham, co-chairman of the panel created by U.S. President Obama. "Leaders did not take serious risks seriously enough; did not identify a risk that proved to be a failure."
William Reilly, the other co-chairman, said that "BPthe evidence is they are in need of top-to-bottom reform."
He said that "we know a safety culture must be led from the top, and permeate a company."
Possible root causes are the subject of current hearings.
Steve Lewis, a drilling engineer...... said one reason that rig workers may have missed red flags is that the well was designed as an exploration well with only the possibility of producing oil-...... when workers shifted to developing a production well after oil was discovered, BP may have had to rush to put new plans in place.

The hearings have a long way to go and it is too early to predict the outcome or what the conclusion will be. It begins to look like none of the three major participants will escape blame.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Nov 10 - 05:30 PM

My take away on this debacle is that all of the oil companies were promising in their environmental impact statements that they could handle a 100,000 barrel per day spill. They were all lying. BP got caught in that lie. - JTS

Operative words are "Spill" as opposed to "Blow-out"

They were all trading off profits for safety. - JTS

Well John a certain Mr Bartlit seems to totally disagree with you, you know which Mr Bartlit I am talking about don't you JTS, the one in charge of the Federal Investigation into the Deepwater Horizon Incident, the put in charge of it by the President of the United States of America.

Don't know about any apologies from Barak Hussein Obama but I bet there are few who earlier on were extremely vocal on this and other associated threads have now wound their necks in, there will be no apologies from them either, not the thing really to put your hands up and admit that you got it wrong.

The shit of course will really hit the fan when it comes to revealing what went wrong with the BOP and why TransOcean took 40 minutes to react.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 09 Nov 10 - 03:14 PM

Couldn't agree with you more Richard.

The yanks bark becuase they think they own the world and can do and say what they like. They have done this with BP and now the truth is coming out.

May I also mention George Bush who thinks that waterboarding is acceptable, because HE was the president of the almighty USA and he can do what he damn well likes, including drawing the UK into his battles with that bottom creeper, Tony Blair.

Things have a way of coming back and biting you in the bum. Its starting to happen.

You never know Bush and Blair may well one day face a War Crime tribunal. Also Obama may get thrown out at the end of his term.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Nov 10 - 12:09 PM

So the facts are out at last. US companies at fault - not BP.

About time for an apology, don't you think?


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Nov 10 - 11:30 AM

My take away on this debacle is that all of the oil companies were promising in their environmental impact statements that they could handle a 100,000 barrel per day spill. They were all lying. BP got caught in that lie.

They were all trading off profits for safety. But since that was "standard industry practice" they were excused.


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Nov 10 - 11:18 AM

A US presidential commission investigating the Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster has found no evidence to support charges that BP and its rig partners put profits ahead of safety.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/8118435/Everybody-hates-me-says-BP-oil-spill-investigator.html


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Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 Sep 10 - 01:40 PM

We shall see what we shall see.
And miles to go before we sleep.


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