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Betsy 18 Jul 12 - 07:10 PM
GUEST 20 Aug 12 - 03:26 AM
GUEST,Roland Dent Senior 22 Oct 12 - 08:43 AM
Jim McLean 22 Oct 12 - 11:46 AM
GUEST,Mike Alcock 19 Dec 12 - 06:20 AM
GUEST,big John 26 Jul 17 - 02:30 PM
GUEST,Big Sean 28 Dec 17 - 05:54 PM
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: McAlpine's Fusiliers
From: Betsy
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 07:10 PM

I worked on the Isle of Grain , and have also worked with Costains amongst other big construction companies.
I think the word / abbreviation "Sub" is related to "subsidise me" i.e. until next pay day.
To my knowledge guys would line up at the paymaster's window on site and sign for a sub (say £ xx) which would be deducted imediately from the man's pay packet on the following Thursday or Friday.
Unfortunately in many cases it wasn't usually as "acegardner" stated on a Wednesday - the norm being a Monday morning after blowing all his/their money on booze,the horses and dogs and the ladies and maybe, just maybe, a few quid sent back to Ireland.
It was always reconciled by " I Work hard I play hard ", or as another guy said to me " I always get it the wrong way round , why do I always pick slow horses and fast women instead of the other way round ".
Sub also called a "rub a-dub-dub" which I suppose was to make the situtaion sound more humourous / less embarrassing.
The Sub also provided a legit purpose in that a new starter could borrow the money up front to buy work boots,pay an advance on his accommodation (digs) or e.g. if he had been out of work for a while , but that type of sub ( like all the others ) would only be given if the man had already worked enough time, equivalent to the amount he was going to borrow.
On the subject of the Pubs - the Gangers generally dictated where you would do your boozing - the Gangers usually having a "deal" with the pub Landlords.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: McAlpine's Fusiliers
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Aug 12 - 03:26 AM

Thats correct;occasionally it might be from a mate or 'townie' as in the phrase "I'll sub you ....."
'Townie' is someone from the same area, county or same town.
BTC


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: McAlpine's Fusiliers
From: GUEST,Roland Dent Senior
Date: 22 Oct 12 - 08:43 AM

"But why are they referred to in the song as "fusiliers?" Am I missing something very obvious? [It wouldn't be the first time.]"

Because we..I worked for 'em...had a military mindset. The company were CIVIL engineers but we were organised to tackle anything that came our way. We took no heed what other companies did. We were the BEST and we knew it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: McAlpine's Fusiliers
From: Jim McLean
Date: 22 Oct 12 - 11:46 AM

The reference to fusiliers has been well answered above but the opening lines of the song echo the Irish Foggy Dew:
Twas down the glen one Easter morn
To a city fair rode I.
When Ireland's line of marching men
In squadrons passed me by.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: McAlpine's Fusiliers
From: GUEST,Mike Alcock
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 06:20 AM

I also worked on Kenana 1976/7 I think - setting out engineer on the roads and canals. I also sang in a group and we sang this song with yet another variant verse which I can't remember although it definitely referenced Pat Mee and Rod Palmer. There were 5 of us: Jim Hunter, and 3 others including one of the wives - memory is shot to pieces. Would love to hear from anybody who worked there and who picks up this thread. I shared a Lesser with a concrete ganger Jo Billet - you may not remember him but the ladies will and not just the company wives! He retired to Spain where I visited him a few years ago where he had set up a cat's home!

Mike


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: McAlpine's Fusiliers
From: GUEST,big John
Date: 26 Jul 17 - 02:30 PM

In reply to guest Longwoods. the Elephant John was John O'Donoghue from Cashaliveen Co. Kerry. He was his townie, John Murphy's henchman and he passed away in 1997. The song where he is mentioned in was called Murphy's Volunteers and it was about Irishmen working in the sewers of London during the Nazi Blitz. The first verse goes.

    Come on, Come On cried the Elephant John
    and swing that mighty pick,
    this aint no place for invalids,
    the crippled or the sick
    forget the Germans overhead sure they're only messing about
    now come on Pat and bend that back
    and dig those trenches out.

There has been many stories circulated about the abuse the Elephant gave men. But having worked in construction all my life I know many of these tales can grow legendary tales down the years.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: McAlpine's Fusiliers
From: GUEST,Big Sean
Date: 28 Dec 17 - 05:54 PM

What is this about?


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