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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: daylia
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 09:07 AM

in case anyone here still gives a hoot ... info/pics re Michael Jackson's skin disease

He wasn't bleaching his skin, turning against his own race etc. He was suffering from a fairly common skin disorder -- vitiligo/lupus -- that destroys natural pigmentation and leaves the skin spotted, ghostly white and extremely vulnerable to sunlight.

Its amazing -- not to mention depressing -- to watch how many people can become so blinded by hatred, jealousy, greed and meanspiritedness that they choose to ignore the explanation (its been around for years now) and continue to spew accusations/ridicule at him instead.

I think this world might become a better, kinder place if his words from the interview above were plastered over every TV screen/computer monitor for the next little while ...


"Oprah: So okay, I just want to get this straight, you are not taking anything to change the color of your skin …

Michael: Oh, God no, we tried to control it and using make-up evens it out because it makes blotches on my skin, I have to even out my skin...

But you know what's funny, why is that so important? That's not important to me. I'm a great fan of art, I love Michelangelo, if I had the chance to talk to him or read about him I would want to know what inspired him to become who he is, the anatomy of his craftsmanship, not about who he went out with last night … what' wrong with … I mean that's what is important to me."


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 12:27 AM

I guess you're as dense as you are persistent, maple_leaf_boy.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: maple_leaf_boy
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 08:51 PM

Here is a joke that I received from a friend.

Farrah dies and goes to Heaven. She meets God at the pearly gates and God says, "Farrah, you have been a gracious person in your lifetime. I will allow you passage into Heaven and will also grant you one wish." Farrah replies, "Thank you, Lord. I can only wish that all of the children in the world will be safe forever." God answers, "It shall be done." 2 hours later, Michael Jackson dies.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: GUEST,MG
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 12:33 AM

There are starting to be reports that he wanted to adopt the Octuplets, but the offer was not transmitted to the mother. That might have worked out actually. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 09:41 AM

Good to read some kind and compassionate words about Michael, 'daylia', thanks for posting that, a joy to read, albeit tinged with such sadness about the lies being told about him...


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: daylia
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 09:37 AM

I don't even want to THINK about where that tongue might have been, Ron   =]   but I do know its fairly common for young males to adore rats. My boys loved their pet rats with a passion ... nasty creepy toxic hive-mongering little beasts that they were (the rats i mean, not my kids =]


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 09:32 AM

You're right, Dani, that works perfectly.   Interesting how that clip from "Untergang" lends itself to several different scenarios.

Daylia-"Ben" is Michael at his peak?   I must have missed something. Is his tongue firmly in cheek when singing to a rat?

As I mentioned earlier, I loved Michael as a 10-year old squeaking:   "Get up, girl.   Show me what you can do". A great sense of humor shown by the producers of that. But I thought after the first 3 hits it was straight downhill.

Again, taste, I suppose.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: GUEST,daylia
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 09:22 AM

Memories of Michael as a fellow musician ... from a sound tech who knew and worked with him

"I was fortunate enough to work with MJ early in my career. He was an incredible artist. Talented beyond your wildest dreams. Extremely generous, and a hard worker...

Some random memories:

One morning MJ came in with a new song he had written overnight. We called in a guitar player, and Michael sang every note of every chord to him. "here's the first chord first note, second note, third note. Here's the second chord first note, second note, third note", etc., etc. We then witnessed him giving the most heartfelt and profound vocal performance, live in the control room through an SM57.

He would sing us an entire string arrangement, every part. Steve Porcaro once told me he witnessed MJ doing that with the string section in the room. Had it all in his head, harmony and everything. Not just little eight bar loop ideas. he would actually sing the entire arrangement into a micro-cassette recorder complete with stops and fills...

During the recording of "Smile" on HIStory, Bruce thought it would be great if Michael would sing live with the orchestra. But of course, we didn't tell the players that. We set him up in a vocal booth off to the side. They rehearsed a bit without vocals in, then during the first take Michael sang, just about knocked them out of their chairs.

His beatboxing was without parallel, and his time was ridiculous.

His sense of harmony was incredible. Never a bad note, no tuning, even his breathing was perfectly in time.

Once, while we were taking a break, I think we were actually watching the OJ chase on TV, there was a news program talking about him being in Europe with some little boy. I was sitting next to the guy while the news is making this crap up. He just looked at me and said this is what I have to deal with.

I spent close to 3 years working with him, and not once did I question his morals, or ever believe any of the allegations. I wasn't even a fan then. I saw him interact with his brothers kids, other people's children, and at one point my own girlfriend's kids. I got to spend a day at Neverland with them. A completely incredible human being, always looking for a way to make all children's lives better. Every weekend at Neverland was donated to a different children's group - children with AIDS, children cancer, etc., and most of the time he wasn't there.

He was simply living the childhood he never had. In many ways he never grew up...

Oh, and one more IMPORTANT thing. I have never worked with a nicer man than Michael. He was gracious, talented as all get-out, gentle, humble, a perfect gentleman, never swore, was healthy, punctual, and just the very sweetest person I could have ever hoped to work with. Oh, what a brilliant star he was! Absolutely, gone too soon."

*********************************************************************

Posting this as a tribute to his exceptional talent and musicianship. Its the best, and most credible account of Jackson I've read yet. He's a few months younger than me .. I grew up admiring him, as a child prodigy. Never got into his 80's or 90's stuff - too "disco" for my taste - and I never fell for all the rot he's had thrown at him by the press and various leeches, vampires and bloodhounds over the years.

I've bookmarked a youtube video of him singing "Ben" at age 13. It had been years -- decades, even -- since I heard that song, but I couldn't get it out of my head the night I heard the news of his death. I could still remember all the words. Must have sung it along with him a million times, as a kid ...

anyway, thats how I will remember Michael - imo, its him at his very best.

Someday, press and public willing, he may be allowed to RIP.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 08:25 AM

The Hitler/MJ clip was great. My favorite Hitler parody (about the mortgage bust):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4i9myVRDsg

the "SS" gets me every time!

Couldn't find the jazz one...

Dani


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 07:58 AM

Thanks, Will.   I can't believe I've never seen that one.   Of course we used to just dream about even hearing about Monty Python, let alone see it.

Really, that is one of the all-time classics (as you know).

And it makes this whole interminable thread wonderful (though Hitler's view on Jackson's death was also a great clip.)


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Will Fly
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 04:20 AM

OK - y'all asked for it! Four Yorkshiremen


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: fat B****rd
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 04:08 AM

Luxury !!


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From: freda underhill
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 04:01 AM

oops...

I've been around the world a couple of time, or maybe more,
I've seen the sights, I've had delights on ev'ery foreign shore,
But when my friends all ask me the place that I adore,
I tell them right away.

give me a home among the gum trees
With lots of plum trees, a sheep or two, a kangaroo.
A clothesline out the back, verandah out the front
And an old rocking chair.

You can see me in the kitchen cooking up a roast,
Or vegemite on toast, just you and me, a cup of tea.
Later on, we'll settle down and mull up on the porch
And watch the possums play.

Give me a home among the gum trees.
With lots of plum trees, a sheep or two, a kangaroo.
A clothesline out the back, verandah out the front
And an old rocking chair.

There's a Safeway on the corner and a Woolworths down the street,
A New World's just been opened where they regulate the heat,
But I'd trade them all tomorrow for the simple bush retreat
Where the kookaburras call.

Give me a home among the gum trees.
With lots of plum trees, a sheep or two, a kangaroo.
A clothesline out the back, verandah out the front
And an old rocking chair.

Some people like their houses with fences all around,
Others live in mansions, and some beneath the ground,
But me, I like the bush, you know, with rabbits running round
And a pumpkin vine out the back.

Give me a home among the gum trees.
With lots of plum trees, a sheep or two, a kangaroo.
A clothesline out the back, verandah out the front
And an old rocking chair...


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 10:31 AM

Har! Har! Har!

Man, this is getting good. I wonder if Chongo has any childhood tales to tell?

Looks like the MJ boycott thread is now totally derailed...but that's okay.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 09:48 AM

That sounds so pleasant, Freda. We had to run a gauntlet of cougars and velociraptors and giant people-eating bats (and worse) just to go out the back door to play on the gallows. Of course, we always saved those we had to kill so we'd have something for dinner, and we ALWAYS wiped our feet before coming back into the house. We couldn't afford shoes, so we painted our feet black or brown and carefully drew laces. We had our pride, you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: freda underhill
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 09:33 AM

I grew up in the hollow of a gum tree, and used the tree's many nooks and curves for storage space. I learnt to test each new berry or leaf by rubbing its juice on the outside of my lips. If it didn't sting, or cause any swelling, I squeezed some more juice directly onto the lip, and waited a while to see if there was any reaction. If not, the juice would be tried on the tip of the tongue. By careful testing, I learnt which plants could heal and which could harm, which seeds could be ground to form a chewy meal, and which leaves could soothe away infection.

My father taught me to follow the trails of the indigo spider. The indigo spider wove a spider web of darkest blue of the night sky, and in it caught little moths and butterflies, beetles and humming bees - of all different colours. As they struggled in their indigo net, their colours rubbed, rolled and streaked the indigo chains of silk, and the spider pounced. My dad would then sneak up, gathering the silken threads and taking them to his loom, in the branches of the old gum tree.

That tree was home for cicadas, buzzing in the evening, birds swooping back and forth, pecking, warbling and darting, parrots swarming, and possums playing.

in the morning I watched Playschool in TV, by cyber satellite.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 09:20 AM

The oldest of four, my father died before I was conceived and my mother never remarried or even messed around. This made the births of my brothers and sister difficult, but my mother always managed somehow. She knew that I would need siblings and so gave birth to them.

We were poor, but so was everyone in our neighborhood. As a result, we kids learned to save and to make a penny go a long, long way. I remember that we saved bottle caps, washers, half-burned bags of doggy doo that our friends put on our porch as a joke (we used the bags to take our lunch to school), hubcaps, drowning puppies, the passengers of sinking ships, and sundry other things. There was always fun things to do, however, since my father had erected a gallows in the backyard before he died -- we used it for a swing set and eventually we all learned parachute landing falls by falling through the trapdoor. This familiarity with the gallows eventually saved the lives of my two brothers after they had a minor brush with the law -- of course, they were innocent and they have since gone on to raise innocent families of their own.

Sometimes we could help Mom out and bring in money for the household expenses, few though they were. I remember one time when my youngest brother won a foot race and came in at odds of 300,000 to 1, mostly because at that time he only had one leg and that was on backwards (he finally got the hang of using a zipper). Of course we didn't have any money to bet, so we bet nothing and won big. THAT really helped out with the bills!

Every morning we had to fix our own breakfast, growing, harvesting, threshing, and milling the oats for the gruel before we'd head off to school. When I tell of this everyone says, "...and it was uphill bother ways!" but that's not true and I'd be lying if I said that was the case. No, it was downhill both ways, a 270 degree slope into a crevasse that plunged into what seemed to be the middle of the Earth. In fact, we used the bubbling magma to heat our little mugs of watersoup, our sole luncheon item.

Once, while were enjoying our spartan lunch, some grown-ups came and asked us questions. All three of them were wearing red tights and had horns and tails, but since they carried pitchforks we knew they were just local farmers so we weren't afraid. They asked us about what they for some reason called "the upper world" and we answered with so much evident love for each other that the biggest said to the others, "Well, if they're all like these kids we'll never make any headway around here. Let's see about Washington, Ottawa, London, and other more productive places" and they left, leaving only a smell like burnt matches (with which we played, burnt matches being the only toys were had aside from the gallows).

Anyway, that's a little bit of my youth and I hope you enjoyed reading about it as much as I enjoyed living it. I'll tell you more sometime, if you'd like.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 12:09 AM

Curses! Foiled again. Danged.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 11:44 PM

I don't trust people who never touch alcohol, Ebbie. ;-D

But here's what you don't know. When I was growing up we practiced vegetarianism and veganism, so as not to harm or exploit any of our fellow sentient beings, and we travelled around the yard suspended by helium balloons so as not to step on any little insects. We wore gauze face masks so as not to breathe in gnats, and we NEVER swatted mosquitos, but were happy to share our blood with the little darlings.

Furthermore, I got up at 5 AM every day and walked fifteen miles before breakfast, taking great care again to watch and not step on insects, of course!

I and my fifteen adopted brothers and sisters who came from every visible minority group possible used to hold "brotherhood and sisterhood" seminars to which all the local children were invited, and there we helped them rise above the evils of racism, sexism, and all other forms of prejudice by reading from various spiritual and ethical texts and telling parables that encouraged equality and tolerance.

No homeless animal, stranger or alien was ever turned away from our humble little door. One time when an alien vehicle from Andromeda crashed in our backyard we sheltered the injured crew for 2 weeks and helped them rebuild their vessel which we camouflaged with papier-mache so that it looked like a children's playset of Swiss Mountains, like from "The Sound of Music". They were so grateful that they went back to their home planet and cancelled their scheduled upcoming invasion of Planet Earth, since we were just too nice to invade!

The fact is, Ebbie, you and every other human being on Earth owe your lives and liberty to the selfless actions of me and my family back in 1959.

Beat that, sistah! ;-D


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 10:59 PM

Little Hawk, let me follow your lead here- and I'm positive that you will find me even more virtuous than thou.

Not only did we not have a television in my youth we didn't even have a radio!. That, alone, should ensure me a certain stature here.

Better yet, neither my parents nor any of their nine children smoked in all the years that they lived at home. And no one ever touched alcohol. Oh, and no one ever abused cars or such like; we never had a car.

But we had books and games and we always had enough siblings around to play most any game and our backyard was permanently set up for long jump and pole vault and a sprint track and we had horses and dogs and we grew our own food.

Oh, so good am I.

:)


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Ron Davies
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 10:36 PM

Well, it seems as if the translation of the Hitler-MJ video is pretty close--after all, Hitler is ranting that he is surrounded by traitors who allege that Michael is dead, and swears he will not leave Berlin without seeing Michael.

Who knew?


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: heric
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 04:16 PM

The first I saw was about the Canucks missing the playoffs. Taken off by the copyright protectors and apparently the jazz one is too - I can't find it. This one probably won't be there long. It's a shame really as the "Hitler reacts to . . . " series is becoming a cult classic.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 04:14 PM

Yes indeed. (smile)


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: number 6
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 04:14 PM

I agree L.H. .... but with all the hoopla about MJ going on, that was a much needed reprieve.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 04:11 PM

It's good...but the one about the jazz music is best of all.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: number 6
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 04:04 PM

That's hilarious Poppagator !!! LOL


thanks for sharing it.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 03:53 PM

Thanks, Don. ;-D Capatain Kirk is incredibly awesome, isn't he? I can only wish I was even half as amazing as William Shatner...God knows...but at least it gives me a benchmark to aim for!

****

My father is the guy to blame for the fact that my parents didn't smoke and we had no TV in the house. He was a bit of a nonconformist for some reason on certain matters. He had never smoked, in an age when virtually everyone else did, and he convinced my mother to stop smoking when they first started going out. (She'd only been smoking for a few weeks at that time, so she didn't have much trouble quitting.)

He didn't want a TV in the house because...

1. They were very short of money in the early days and couldn't really afford any luxuries like that.

2. He considered it trivial, escapist, and something that would waste a large amount of his valuable time...and he always wanted to be busy doing something he considered valuable (sort of a workaholic tendency, I'd call it).

My father was a very stubborn guy, and he stuck to certain ideas like that.

If it had been up to my mother and she'd been married to anyone else, then I'm sure the family would have smoked, had a TV, and done all the usual conventional stuff typical of that time period.

So it's my Dad's fault that I turned out this way, Don, such a purist as I am! ;-D Take it up with him.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: PoppaGator
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 03:33 PM

From YouTube:

Hitler finds out that Michael Jackson has died

(I think this same film has appeared before, with different English-language dialog dubbed in, as "Hitler doesn't want jazz played at his birthday party." Or words to that effect.)


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 02:01 PM

AHEM. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 01:38 PM

I'll answer your questions, Ebbie...

"Little Hawk, your dissertation requires a disclaimer to the effect that you did NOT spend most of your young years in Canada but in the US."

I spent years 1-10 in Ontario and years 11-21 in the USA. We were located in the upper part of New York State, however, and were able to pick up CBC radio quite clearly there, so that's what we listened to. The political situation around us in upstate New York was radically different from that in Canada, that's for sure, (it was far more right wing and reactionary) and we were radically in disagreement with it for the most part. I felt like I was living in exile... ;-)

"I would further note that a kid without television at home most usually watches it at friends' homes, especially when "every other kid in my school classes did watch" it. In fact, I know several adults without television at home are glued to tv screens at other people's homes."

I occasionally saw some TV shows at friend's houses. Not a lot, but now and then. It wasn't a big deal to me one way or the other. Mostly I loved reading books. I started reading very young (before entering primary school), read everything I could find to read, including my mother's Agatha Christie novels, and it served me well later in school.

Are you intimating that at such an early age you totally agreed with your parents' rules and reasons on the subject? That you were already so self-disciplined that you resisted any such exposure? Goodness gracious.

Yeah, I took my parent's lifestyle for granted and I figured it was good. There was no smoking in the house ever...except if visitors came...so I detested the smell of cigarette smoke and I've never had a desire to smoke anything at all (not even in my teenage years)...though I have smoked tobacco in some Native ceremonies (that was a courtesy)...and I have smoked marijuana on a handful of times so as to find out what "all the fuss is about". ;-) My conclusion: it's really not that big a deal and I can do without it.

It's not that I was particularly aware of being "self-disciplined". It's just that I naturally followed the example that I saw in front of me every day in my own home.

My parents didn't lay down any rules about not watching TV or not smoking or anything else like that. There were no such rules in place. They just didn't have a TV, that's all, and they didn't smoke, and they listened to CBC. There were no rules about this or that, they just did what they did, and it seemed okay to me, so that's what I did also.

As for alcohol, there were no rules in place about that either. We sometimes had wine with dinner...or a liqueur after dinner. Maybe once or twice a week we would do that. I was allowed to have some if I wanted it. I never saw anyone get drunk in our family, and I've never had any problems with alcohol since.

If you make rules AGAINST stuff like smoking, alcohol, TV watching, then young people will rebel against those rules when they hit their teen years, and they'll run considerable risk of going too far the other way. My parents didn't make rules against anything like that...they just demonstrated a certain lifestyle themselves, and I followed in that pattern. It made sense to me.

I later did watch quite a bit of commercial TV, by the way, mostly in the 70s and 80s, and I enjoyed it a lot, but I gave up on it by the late 80s.

As for my parents, they eventually got hooked on TV. (grin) My mother now watches the bloody thing all day long! What does she watch? Mostly CNN and stuff like that. She's a politics junkie.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: PoppaGator
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 12:48 PM

This just in:

Michael Jackson is still dead!

(The ongoing hype reminds me of an old running joke from Saturday Night Live's opening season, when the world-class celebrity whose death stayed in the news way too long was Generalissimo Francisco Franco.)


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: number 6
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 12:31 PM

Maybe L.H.'s parents lived close enough that they could tune into the CBC from wherever they lived in the U.S.

CBC, September 9th, 1954

static ... static ... Marilyn ... static .... Bell ... static, static ... has ju..static .... stepped ashore ....yes .. static ... ladies and gen .. static ... Marilyn ... static .. ell .. has become the firs ... static .... erson to swim Lake ... natario ... static, static, static

The Lady of the Lake, great moments in CBC history.

Yes, L.H., me and probably the rest of us Canucks were there (radio, or T.V.)

biLL (feeling a bit of nationialistic pride on this rainy Canada Day)

now ... back to "why I am boycotting the MJ thread"


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 11:51 AM

Evidently my post disappeared in transit so here goes again:

Little Hawk, your dissertation requires a disclaimer to the effect that you did NOT spend most of your young years in Canada but in the US.

I would further note that a kid without television at home most usually watches it at friends' homes, especially when "every other kid in my school classes did watch" it. In fact, I know several adults without television at home are glued to tv screens at other people's homes.

Are you intimating that at such an early age you totally agreed with your parents' rules and reasons on the subject? That you were already so self-disciplined that you resisted any such exposure? Goodness gracious.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: number 6
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 06:18 AM

As I stated before LH, I disagree ... the Internet is now the new TV ...the new MASS MEDIA .... and a much larger MASS MEDIA



my apologies for getting caught up in this thread drift.

Now ... back to Michael Jackson and why I'm boycotting his obit thread ......

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 02:24 AM

The days of BIG MEDIA are over instantly for any individual who thinks for himself and regulates what he's watching and listening to in an independent and aware manner. They are not over for those who passively follow the herd.

That's a matter of individual choice. It worries me when many ordinary people don't even seem to be aware that they have such choices in front of them.

I grew up in a rather unconventional family. We had no TV in the house till I was 17 years old! Can you imagine all the shows I didn't watch in those days...and which every other kid in my school classes did watch? (We also had no cigarettes in the house...in the 50s and 60s. Like I say, it was definitely an unconventional family.)

We listened to no commercial radio stations when I was a kid. We listened only to CBC, Canada's public radio show, and there are no commercials aired on CBC. You get to hear all kinds of interesting music and public affairs shows and talk shows on CBC that you will never hear on a commercial radio station. You get to hear original Canadian folk music and various ethnic music on CBC!!! You think the commercial radio stations will play that stuff? Fat chance. They will play their usual lineup of new hits and old standards that they have always played, because that's what their sponsors think will draw the most listeners, and so it's really all about money.

A public radio show like CBC is not about the money, it's about the content...and that's what it should be about...the content.

I basically grew up without the influence of commercial advertising by way of the broadcast media, and it made me a rather unconventional person, one who read a lot of books while growing up instead of mainly watching TV.

Most people grow up exposed to literally millions of commercials on TV and radio. That affects them, both consciously and subliminally, it affects their lifestyle decisions, and they take it for granted. I don't. I will avoid such advertising any way I can, because I find it annoying, invasive, and as a matter of fact downright intolerable. That's because I was almost totally free of it when I was young.

I've been an outsider all my life. And you know what? I like it.   I wouldn't have it any other way.

You're right, Ron, that mainstream TV is on the decline now. The Internet is clobbering it. And I think that's absolutely great. TV will either have to improve itself a whole lot or its decline will accelerate.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Ron Davies
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 09:59 PM

Oh no, not BIG MEDIA again.   The days of "BIG MEDIA" are over, if they ever existed.   Media are more fragmented than ever. Particularly when anybody who has a computer can get any number of perspectives and not spend one second more than he or she wants to on any given point of view--absolutely no chance for spoon-feeding a viewpoint you may not agree with.

And this is reflected in the decline in ratings of the major broadcasters--and the decline of newspaper circulation.

And while I'm certainly as interested in the 30s and 40s as anybody else, I can't help agreeing that dragging Goebbels into a Michael Jackson thread is just a bit much.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 07:54 PM

The transcript of that interview with Oprah Winfrey


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: freda underhill
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 07:27 PM

and

Jackson donated and raised millions of dollars for beneficial causes through his foundations, charity singles, and support of 39 charities.

Jackson was accused of child sexual abuse in 1993 but the investigation was closed due to lack of evidence and Jackson was not charged. In 2005, he was tried and acquitted of similar allegations.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: freda underhill
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 07:26 PM

here's my "participation"

Jackson stated that he was physically and emotionally abused by his father from a young age, enduring incessant rehearsals, whippings and name-calling. However, he also credited his father's strict discipline as playing a large part in his success. In one altercation — later recalled by Marlon Jackson — Joseph held Michael upside down by one leg and "pummeled him over and over again with his hand, hitting him on his back and buttocks". Joseph would also trip or push his male children into walls. One night while Jackson was asleep, Joseph climbed into his room through the bedroom window. Wearing a fright mask, he entered the room screaming and shouting. Joseph said he wanted to teach his children not to leave the window open when they went to sleep. For years afterwards, Jackson said he suffered nightmares about being kidnapped from his bedroom. In 2003, Joseph admitted to the BBC that he had whipped Jackson as a child.

Jackson first spoke openly about his childhood abuse in a 1993 interview with Oprah Winfrey. He said that during his childhood he often cried from loneliness and would sometimes start to vomit upon seeing his father. In Jackson's other high profile interview, Living with Michael Jackson (2003), the singer covered his face with his hand and began crying when talking about his childhood abuse. Jackson recalled that Joseph sat in a chair with a belt in his hand as he and his siblings rehearsed and that "if you didn't do it the right way, he would tear you up, really get you".


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 07:19 PM

freda... hehehehee... yes.

Odd that people are still not talking about it so much.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: freda underhill
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 07:17 PM

There are more posts on this thread than there are on the Obit thread. This thread is not condemning the "hysteria", it's participating in it.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 07:10 PM

Fair enough, Little Hawk.

Nevertheless, you are in the habit of standing to one side in any thread in which there might be some difference of opinion and "keep score" in a pretty frivolous and, frankly, superior manner, as if you regard yourself as "above such petty squabbles." Petty squabbles such as matters of civil rights, for example.

You're obviously an intelligent guy, but damn, Little Hawk, forgive me for saying so, but that can get tiresome and bloody annoying after a bit.
"Lord, what fools these mortals be!"
--Puck, in Shakespeare's "A Midsummer Night's Dream," Act III, Scene 2
I know you realize this, but sometimes I get the impression that you need to be reminded of the fact:   You're mortal, also.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: pdq
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 06:43 PM

I could not stand MJ, but I feel obligated to defend his "artistic expression" because it was creative, a hallmark of American culture.

Not that all new creations are necessarily good. Much of the creatuve stuff going on now stinks. At least he US ain't stodgy like much of the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 06:42 PM

I think Liechtenstein has got you guys beat hollow when it comes to creativity, flugelhorns, and pastries." LH

I read that as "flagellation".


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 06:35 PM

Now...don't go into a patriotic frenzy, pdq! ;-) I love Bugs Bunny, Coney Island hotdogs, and baseball. I really do.

Still....I think Liechtenstein has got you guys beat hollow when it comes to creativity, flugelhorns, and pastries.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: pdq
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 06:32 PM

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public"   ~   H.L. Mencken

The word "taste" does not mean the same thing as "stupidity".

There were many very intelligent people who liked Michael Jackson's product. They did so from an emotional basis, most likely. Also possibly from the "herd mentality".

The average American may not have quite the IQ measured in Japan or Israel, but we hold out own with the rest of the people of the world. We are a dammed sight more creative too.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 05:26 PM

Ping!

Pong!

Da, da, da, de dum...and round the Mulberry Bush we go once more...

Don, just go back to my original post. I didn't say "people do this" or "people are like that".

What I said was: "Yes, of course anyone can avoid the Michael Jackson media frenzy on TV...just by deliberately watching something else on the TV instead. It's just that so many people don't, that's all. ;-) They tend to eat whatever they are served daily on "the news" by BIG MEDIA, rather like sheep at the trough or citizens in Orwell's 1984. And that's what worries me about the influence of BIG MEDIA on the public."

"It's just that so many people don't"

"So many" means a lot of people, Don. It does not mean all the people, it does not necessarily even mean a majority of the people, it just means a lot of people.

And I stand by that. A lot of people eat whatever they are served by the mainstream media daily, and they don't question it. They take it as gospel.

I'm not suggesting you are one of those people, so I see no need for you to raise a personal objection to what I said. I'm not suggesting that a majority of people do that...although...it certainly wouldn't be unusual to think they do, would it? ;-) Remember the old phrases that we have heard from some of the greatest wits in American history:

"There's a sucker born every minute."

"No one ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the American public."

That was also true in Roman times. It was true in Napoleon's day, and Hitler's day. It was true in virtually any ancient society, and it's true today. It's easy for a government and a mass media to fool most of the people in a country most of the time.

(occasionally, though, the people wake up to the fact that they've been fooled...and then there's a crisis in confidence, a change in government, or a revolution)

You know all this stuff already, Don. You could just as well be firmly positioned on the other side of the argument and insisting to someone else that what I said is so...had you said it first. If it had been your idea, you'd love it. ;-) That's how capricious the arguing mind is when it gets going.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 04:31 PM

Little Hawk, it is you who are making unwarranted assumptions about me. I do read carefully. Remember, I used to work as a technical writer and editor. However, when you make flat, blanket statements the way you have the habit of doing ("People do this" or "people think that"), then one has no reason not to assume that you are referring to people in general. If you don't want folks to take what you write as absolute, all-or-nothing statements, then perhaps you should phrase things a bit more carefully.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 03:54 PM

"More people can quote Jackson than Shakespeare, etc."

Obviously the standard of public education is extremely low, but that is another topic.


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Subject: RE: BS: I am boycotting the MJ obit thread
From: fat B****rd
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 03:52 PM

wHAT DOES ymmv MEAN?


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