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Subject: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 09:09 PM

Well, well, well...

looks as if a bunch of white people who didn't object one bit about paying taxes when George Bush was president have organized to make this day, tax day, their opportunity to show how much they hate President Obama...

Yep, 95% of all workers have just be given a tax decrease under Obama but, hey, lets not let fatcs interfere with their blatent hatred of Obama...

Beam my butt up, Scotty...

The rednecks are getting to be rather disgusting little hypocrits...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Alice
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 09:28 PM

Little do they know that Dick Army, who had a big hand in pushing the hype about doing this "tea bag" day, is connected to AIG and others who got bailout money. Weird bedfellows (so to speak) considering the cultural slang meaning of "teabagging" as well. How clueless, in so many ways, these "protesters" are.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Janie
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 09:33 PM

What does the KKK have to do with it, Bobert?   

There are certainly a bunch of "conservatives" in my town doing this tea party thing, but I know several of them, and those that I know are not reactionary racists. (Not saying there are none involved in this endeaver, just saying those that I know are not.) While there are a healthy dose of neo-cons among them, those that I know tend toward a libertarian philosophy. I don't agree with them, but I support their right to do this, and respect their activism in favor of their philosophy, even though I do not share their view.

I don't think it wise or helpful to diss everyone whose political views differ from my own, or to stick inflamatory labels on them in the absence of information to suggest this "tea party" protest is headed up by groups such as the KKK. Perhaps that is not what you are doing. Perhaps you have read or seen news reports that indicate this protest is in fact being organized by the KKK?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Janie
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 09:47 PM

I'm playing devil's advocate here. Dick Army (disclaimer - I don't follow the ins and outs of all this stuff closely and don't know anything about him), may be closely involved and connected to AIG, etc., because it is consistent with his socio-political philosophy. That may be based on greed and narcissism, but I don't know that. What I do know is that demonizing people doesn't change them. In fact, at a minimum, it fosters resistance and is most likely to foster defensive self-righteousness. There really are pros and cons to these issues. Validate the legitimacy of the opposition's concerns, and one just might foster positive possibilities. The Bushites had an attitude of "my way or the highway." I do not think liberals and moderates will be any more successful at winning hearts, minds, or votes by adopting the same attitudes.

Imho, "us against them" is less likely to be effective than looking for common ground and respecting valid differences.

None of us has a corner on the market of truth or reality.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 09:47 PM

ANYONE who does not agree with Bobert must be either KKK or mentally deficient- just ask him...





Thousands rally with 'tea parties' on tax day

AP - Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:25:05 PM
By JOE BIESK

AP Whipped up by conservative commentators and bloggers, tens of thousands of protesters staged "tea parties" around the country Wednesday to tap into the collective angst stirred up by a bad economy, government spending and bailouts. The rallies were directed at President Barack Obama's new administration on a symbolic day: the deadline to file income taxes. Protesters even threw what appeared to be a box of tea bags toward the White House, causing a brief lockdown at the compound.

Shouts rang out from Kentucky, which just passed tax increases on cigarettes and alcohol, to Salt Lake City, where many in the crowd booed Republican Gov. Jon Huntsman for accepting about $1.5 billion in stimulus money. Even in Alaska, where there is no statewide income tax or sales tax, hundreds of people held signs and chanted "No more spending."

"Frankly, I'm mad as hell," said businessman Doug Burnett at a rally at the Iowa Capitol, where many of the about 1,000 people wore red shirts declaring "revolution is brewing." Burnett added: "This country has been on a spending spree for decades, a spending spree we can't afford."

In Boston, a few hundred protesters gathered on the Boston Common -- a short distance from the original Tea Party -- some dressed in Revolutionary garb and carrying signs that said "Barney Frank, Bernie Madoff: And the Difference Is?" and "D.C.: District of Communism."

Texas Gov. Rick Perry fired up a tea party at Austin City Hall with his stance against the federal government, as some in his U.S. flag-waving audience shouted, "Secede!"

In Atlanta, thousands of people gathered outside the Capitol, where Fox News Channel conservative pundit Sean Hannity was set to broadcast his show Wednesday night. One protester's sign read: "Hey Obama you can keep the change."

Julie Reeves, of Covington, brought her Chihuahua Arnie, who wore a tiny anti-IRS T-shirt. "I want the government to get its hand the hell out of my wallet," Reeves said.

The tea parties were promoted by FreedomWorks, a conservative nonprofit advocacy group based in Washington and led by former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey of Texas, who is now a lobbyist.

Organizers said the movement developed organically through online social networking sites such as Facebook and Twitter and through exposure on Fox News.

While FreedomWorks insisted the rallies were nonpartisan, they have been seized on by many prominent Republicans who view them as a promising way for the party to reclaim its momentum.

http://www.mail.com/Article.aspx?articlepath=APNews\Top-Headlines\20090416\Tax-Day-Protests.xml&cat=topheadlines&subcat=&pageid=


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: pdq
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 09:48 PM

"I don't think it wise or helpful to diss everyone whose political views differ from my own..." ~ Janie

We need more of that attitude. Mudcat seems to have mostly "search and destroy" types posting right now.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 09:59 PM

Let's say that one million people demonstrated over the whole US.

Now let's work the percentages:

1,000,000/303,000,000 = 0.33%.

And I feel that same way about ANY demonstration.....


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: pdq
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 10:05 PM

"...95% of all workers have just be given a tax decrease under Obama but..." ~ Bobert

That statement is presented as fact? Please find some evidence to support it.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Ron Davies
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 10:09 PM

WSJ editorial page column puts out the idea that the "tea parties" herald a new political party--the Republicans are seen as a feeble alternative to Obama.

The rest of us should rejoice--unless we have something against the opposition dividing itself on purpose.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 10:16 PM

SPONTANEOUS UPRISING?: Although spokesmen of the tea parties have made significant efforts to portray the protests as organic uprisings of like-minded citizens, corporate lobbyists have engineered much of the planning and execution of the events. The corporate front group FreedomWorks, run by lobbyist and former House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX), had its staff organize the very first tea party on Feb. 27 in Tampa, FL, following CNBC's Rick Santelli's call for a Boston Tea Party-like upheaval to protest Obama's housing plan. Soon after, FreedomWorks began planning nationwide tea party protests and had their operatives help coordinate logistics, call conservative activists, and provide activists with everything from organizing tips to sign ideas. Americans for Prosperity, a front group run by corporate lobbyist Tim Phillips (a former partner to Ralph Reed), assisted with the effort, drawing upon its extensive field staff to plan events, write press releases, and distribute talking points for people on the ground. Newt Gingrich's American Solutions for Winning the Future -- which is funded by polluters and helped orchestrated the "Drill Here, Drill Now" campaign last summer -- has also signed on to support the protests.

FOX NEWS MEGAPHONE: Both Fox News and Fox Business have run back-to-back promotions explicitly encouraging viewers to attend the tea parties. The Fox broadcasts are in turn being used by the tea party organizers to promote their protests. Promising "fair and balanced" coverage, Fox News hosts such as Glenn Beck, Neil Cavuto, and Sean Hannity are all planning to broadcast live from the events. The segments for the tea parties are replete with enthusiastic endorsements, like the recent announcement of one Fox pundit that it's "time to party like it's 1773!" In their drive to promote the protests, Fox is fueling paranoia by making unsubstantiated, conspiratorial claims that the Obama administration may send "spies" to the tea parties. Another claim Fox asserts to justify its nonstop promotional coverage is that the network provided similar coverage for the Million Man March in 1995. However, Fox News didn't launch until 1996. 

A POLITICAL STRATEGY: Congressional Republicans have fully embraced the tea parties as a channel for opposing Obama. House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) is speaking at a tea party in Bakersfield; Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) will be speaking at an Americans for Prosperity tea party in Madison. Over 35 other Republican lawmakers have been invited to speak at other tea party rallies. Republican governors who opposed the economic stimulus package -- such as Rick Perry of Texas and Mark Sanford of South Carolina -- plan to address tea party protests in their own states. Even after being rebuked by organizers of the tea parties, Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele has moved the RNC to officially support the protests. If the GOP's effort to brand and own the protests weren't already apparent, Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) introduced legislation formally honoring April 15th as "National Tea Party Day." "It's going to be more directed at Obama," observed Daily Beast reporter Ana Marie Cox on the Republican Party's obsession with the tea parties. "This is very much, I think, part of the midterm strategy."

THE UNIFYING MESSAGE -- OPPOSE OBAMA: Despite steady, high approval ratings for President Obama, the proponents of the tea parties seem intent on demonizing him as the cause of the country's problems. The ostensible anti-tax platform of the tea parties in fact has not resonated with all the participants. The events have drawn various elements of the fringe right-wing movement, with gun rights militias, secessionists, radical anti-immigrant organizations, and neo-Nazi groups currently working to contribute to the organizing effort, bringing with them their own pet issues. Past tea parties have featured gatherings of people inspired to protest Obama over conspiracies related to the President's birth certificate. One of the most prominent Obama birth certificate conspiracy theorists, Alan Keyes, is the keynote speaker of the Washington, D.C. tea party today.(Progressive)


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Janie
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 10:19 PM

I was not wildly enthusiastic about Obama (or any other major candidate,). but I am really wowed by what I have seen of him so far. He is not so interested in "positions" as in figuring out "what works" for the greater good.

My impression is his administration is listening to the concerns of those involved and appreciating them as valid. I think he sees his task to be to balance and weigh the needs of individuals and the needs of the larger system, and try to come to a synthesis of what is most effective over-all. A hard task, and not one that is "position" oriented.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: EBarnacle
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 10:53 PM

I wonder how many Democrats and poor people showed up at these tea parties. Every report I have seen shows that the primary issue of these people is that they are not currently in the majority and in control.

It would seem that their idea of change is "less cost for me," also known as "My ass is inboard, to hell with you." Another point I heard quoted is that they were for eliminating any and all parts of the social contract. After all, to them anything that government does for people, including public education, is socialism.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: artbrooks
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 11:02 PM

Well, they were out blocking one of the main roads this evening. In addition to the anti-Obama, anti-IRS and flat tax signs, I saw anti-immigration, anti-gun control, Jesus saves, anti-bail out, pro-Iraq war, pro-oil drilling, anti-pork (vegetarians?) and other such signs. About half of them seemed to be commercially produced. We also saw one very small sign that said "I still like Obama".


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: number 6
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 11:07 PM

I'd be pissed off if my $$taxes$$ were going for the war machine, wall street bailouts, uncontrolled pork barrel spending, and most of all if the secretary of the treasury knowingly tried getting away without paying taxes .... all this tax spending and little is benefitting the working guy/gal.

People have a right to be angry over this ... sure some right wing nuts might be blowing the trumpets in this rebellion ... but a lot of working class stiffs are angry, frustrated and hurting right now ... and these are the people out there raising their fists.

face it ... the change in the white house is is not getting out to the populace ... and time is running out.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Janie
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 11:22 PM

Bruce and pdq,

You can point a finger, or you can lead the way. (And so could others.) My comments were not intended to invite finger pointing. Let me invite you, others, and myself, regardless of our sociopolitical perspectives, to reflect on our personal contributions to informative discussion and ineffective discord.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 12:18 AM

But the change in the White House is getting out to the populace, in the form of tax cuts. And if he gets his health care plan through Congress, it will have a profoundly beneficial effect on the lives of many millions of people (me included).


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 01:03 AM

The "cutting" of the defense budget from 704 billion last year to this year's 713 billion is also causing a "spontaneous" outrage.
as you say never mind the 'fcats'.

Yes the signs are commercially produced by FOX in association with their 9-12 project, tea party and million man march to come.

The attempt by FOX to create vehicles for dissent is probably funded with some TARP money if you looked close enough. So far the participants seem rather cartoonish.

All in all I belive it helped the price of tea stocks.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 01:06 AM

People do get the whole idea that this country has been ENRONIZED to the point of total bankruptcy.

WHat needs to be done is keep reminding them about the ENRONIZATION instead of being distracted by bogus tea bagging hype.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 01:57 AM

Since January the Secret Service has logged more death threats to the President than all previous Presidents combined.

Thats the Republican party of God for ya.

I suppose it is a matter of when and not if an attempt is made by groups that would openly claim FOX news commentators and talk radio personalities and GOd as their motivation to kill.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 08:19 AM

The KKK reference was not meant to be literal but figurative... I remember back after the 2000 election being purdy pissed off at how I thought the election had been conducted but when Bush was innagurated I was thinkin', "Oh well, can't do much to change the election now... Better or worse, he the president... At least Cheney will be there to keep things controlled..." (lol, rmember folks thinkin' that???)

The point is that there wasn't the hatred, even by those of us on the far left, that we are seeing today... I had a feller on another website make the announcement that the Obama administration was "the most secretive administartion in the history of the country" just 2 days after Obama took office?!?!?!?....

Now one couldn't possibly be able to reach that conclusion after just two day in office unless they were filled with contempt (hate) of Obama...

So when I used the KKK in the title of the thread I meant it to imply the "hatred" that is the cornerstone of the Klan mindset...

I saw some very hatefull signs at these rallies last night on CNN that had little to do with tax policies but everything to do with hatred...

So, again... The KKK in the title is figurative...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 10:11 AM

"I don't think it wise or helpful to diss everyone whose political views differ from my own..." ~ Janie

We need more of that attitude. Mudcat seems to have mostly "search and destroy" types posting right now.


Two words, PeeDee: Karl Rove.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 10:14 AM

"n my opinion, however, the remarkable fact is that there were no significant tax protests in the U.S. between the 1790s and the 1970s. In fact, as recently as the 1970s the federal income tax was considered the fairest tax, at a time when the top rate was over 70 percent.

Starting with the election of Ronald Reagan, conservatives have led an effort to vilify the income tax — which is reflected in the polls. However, what is often forgotten is that Reagan raised taxes twice (in 1982 and in 1986 on corporations). The modern Republican tax protest movement really only took off after George Bush Sr. broke his "no new taxes" pledge in 1991 and lost his re-election bid in 1992 (for unrelated reasons). Subsequently it became hard for Republicans to raise taxes even in the face of two unexpected wars and a huge budget deficit.

The current wave of tax protests are a reflection of this post-1992 Republican mentality. They are engineered by political operatives and are far from reflective of general public attitudes toward taxes or toward the government." (NYT)


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 10:30 AM

"The point is that there wasn't the hatred, even by those of us on the far left, that we are seeing today..."

Oh? I seem to recall as much if not more.



As for printed signs and organization, I recall a lot of that in the Pro-Saddam marches prior to March of 2003. But I guess they are OK if they are for something Bobert and Amos supports, and only wrong when supporting something they have declared to be wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Big Mick
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 10:38 AM

One of the things that cracks me up over this protest is the symbolism they chose. Another example of conservatives choosing fluff over substance, projecting their own bias on the symbol instead of what it really was.

The Boston Tea Party, if fact, was in fact an act of vandalism against the world's largest retailer. If you were going to recreate it today, you would go into Walmart and pull all the Chinese made goods off the shelf and throw them into the river.

Where were these bastards when their heroes were putting us into this mess? You have a man here who is thinking his way through this, taking the tough steps needed to begin the healing process, and these numbskulls forget all about the fact that their heroes abetted the criminals in stealing or destroying 40 to 60% of their retirement savings.

As to the "patriots" who talk secession, it appears that they only believe in democracy and the American way when it goes their way. But when the public votes against them, their first response is secession, and wishing failure upon their constitutionally elected President. That is not the America I love and fought for in war, and in the streets, and workplaces.

Mick .... sick to death of slogan slinging idiots who vote and rail against things of the basis of their own prejudices/biases.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 01:59 PM

"Pro-Saddam marches"

evidence? ...

or are you getting confused with the anti war marches?

Only Americans I can think of who might have been pro saddam were those who might have profited by his tenure or who might have seeen him as a useful ally against Iran.

Neither category seems likely to have enough numbers to organize a noticeable march ...

... presumably these happened around the same time as the marches "against Israel" theat you mentioned in a different thread.


In your view BB the world is populated by people marching against Israel and in favour of Israels enemies.


A further classic portrayal of a "siege mentality".

And what does it have to do with taxes?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 02:20 PM

In case you have comprehension problems, let me repeat:

"As for printed signs and organization,"

The pro-Saddam aspect of the so-called "anti-war" marchers was shown by their refusal to have those Iraqis who were protesting Saddam to be allowed to join them. I posted the article years ago, giving the names, place, and dates ( London, I think).

Since they did NOT tell Saddam to comply, ( and avoid war) it is obvious they were NOT anti-war, just anti-US action.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 03:08 PM

Sometimes I don't hold much hope for this part of Colorado. Here are a few choice quotes from today's newspaper article on this, both elected officials supposedly with college degrees (must've missed English grammar):

You are just real people, and you look to be real mad," Mesa County Commissioner Janet Rowland told a boisterous crowd.

On what is normally a dour day for those people scrambling to file their taxes before the midnight deadline, Mesa County Commissioner Craig Meis said, "This is the happiest I've ever been on April 15. The silent majority has officially woke up."


Most protesters had anti-Obama signs. It looks ugly and it looks racist and fearful.

I agree with much of what Janie has said, but wonder at how we can go about reaching out when people are this worked up.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 04:47 PM

These demonstrations will have the same effect as similar ones in recent years, i.e, none to speak of.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 06:07 PM

Did ANYONE see the Rachael Maddow show last night? She had Ana Marie Cox on, who had attended one 'rally', and showed a number of signs which WERE racist and hateful in the manner of the KKK. I doubt the KKK actually was involved at all, but folks who thought like them were sure around.
The majority were just 'conservatives' looking for a message, but that minority gave me the chills.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 06:46 PM

"Since they did NOT tell Saddam to comply, ( and avoid war) it is obvious they were NOT anti-war, just anti-US action."

Anti US action = pro Saddam?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 08:01 PM

Thank you, Bill, for your post...

Yeah, it was the signs that these folks were carrying that really got my attention:

"Hey, Big Brother: Show Us your Real Birth Certificate"

"Don't Tax Me, Bro"

"The Audacity of a Dope"

"Napolitano- Obama's Gestapo Queen"

"Hang 'Em High Traitors"

"Obama bin Lyin'"

"Thank you, Fox News"

"Obama, You Idiot"

These are just a few that were reported in the Post this morning... Like I've said, I gave George Bush a thousand more time respect (prior to Iraq) than these folks are giving Obama... These folks are eat up with hatred...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 11:35 PM

Very funny video about the use of the term "teabagging"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F26vC_1_8xw


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Janie
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 11:35 PM

It is frightening, Bill, to see that minority in action. Especially when one realizes that viseral, irrational hatred is nearly untouchable.

It is wrong-headed, in my very humble opinion, to take a default position that anyone who is anti-Obama is racist and full of racist hate. A strident and dangerous minority of those who oppose Obama do so on racist grounds. But many others oppose his policies because of differences in sociopolitical philosophy.

Confront the hatred rationally, as best one can. Contain and marginalize the clearly racist motivated opposition to a president because he is a person of color. But also acknowledge valid differences in sociopolitical philosophy. Do not feed into the opportunities for white supremists and blatant racists to form coalitions with conservatives. Acknowledge the right of conservatives to a legitimate dessenting view. Do not lump them in with those whom clearly must be marginalized. They will be much more likely to distance themselves from this hate-filled minority if they are not discounted and marginalized themselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Apr 09 - 07:19 AM

I acknowledge the right of folks to disagree with Obama's tax policies... I guess what bugs me, Jnaie, is that there are alot of ever ignorant people who continue to be led like sheep by the monied class who in allowing themselves to be duped into these sorts of demonstartions are working against their own best interests... That is sickening...

What else is sickening is that Fox News be allowed to use the public airwaves (which are owned by all of us) to take a froward role in ***making*** news... That isn't what the public airwaves is supposed to beall about... This demonstartion wouldn't have been squat had it not been for Fox News' promotion... Not only that but one of their folks even spoke at one of the rallies... It can be argued that Keith Overman gives the progressive's side of issue by MSNBC isn't out there organizing and promoting hatefilled demonstartions...

We are never going to to get anywhere with these hate-consumed people as long as they continue to be propagandized with misinformation by Fox News... I'd just like to see the FCC hold Fox accountable for their actions 'cuase the 1st rule in journalism is "Don't make the news"...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Apr 09 - 08:44 AM

It surprises me that more folks apparently are unaware of the substantial undercurrent of white supremacist groups in the U.S.-
We have met the terrorists, and they is us, so to speak.

Check it out

HERE


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Janie
Date: 17 Apr 09 - 06:32 PM

Well, and I should probably say, Bobert, that I get all of my news from either NPR or the print media (both paper and on-line,) and while I listen every day, read the N&O and check the CNN.com headlines, I'm not an extremely close follower of the news. Since I don't have a television, and haven't had one for the better part of 30 years, I don't see the viseral images that may serve to "bring home" the realities of much of the news, and don't appreciate the impact television has on shaping the news.

Greg, I think you are probably right. I am certainly aware that these groups are out there, but I think I underestimate the numbers of these extremists who are willing to act, and not just spew verbiage, (which is certainly bad enough.)


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Apr 09 - 07:26 PM

I gotta an extra TV, Janie... Awww, just funnin' wid ya'... I'm sure you are better off without one... Purdy disturbing stuff on there... And almost all of it is negative... If it bleeds, it leads...

But I also remember the Greensboro masecure of the 70's when Klansmen open fired on a peacefull demonstration... That wasn't all that long ago and when you take "The Noose" incident of a couple years ago I am not all that confident that lots of these folks are ripe for their brand of jihad right here in the US of A...

And when a major network is allowed to whip racists into a frenzy then I am double concerned, especially when we have a black president... Someone needs to say to Fox in no uncertain terms that promoting hate is against the law and that the FCC can pull the plug...

Fox is right on the borderline of practicing treason...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Janie
Date: 17 Apr 09 - 08:06 PM

On the other-hand, bring it out in the sunshine, where these attitudes can be respectfully confronted. Back in the late '80's the KKK obtained a permit and held a well-publized march in Hillsborough. They were vastly outnumbered by the many, many citizens who turned out to bear peacable witness against the Klan. The Klan members ended up feeling embarrassed in front of their neighbors, and the like has never happened again.

Hillsborough and Orange County did itself proud that day.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Claymore
Date: 17 Apr 09 - 08:14 PM

Jamie, you may not necessarily underestimate them.

Back when I was a cop working on a KKK case (Roy Frankhouser, Mark Bablin, & Leroy Fick) I had series of "sidebar arguments" with Morris Dees, the head of the Southern poverty Law Center, and later members of his staff. He was publishing hysterical and wrong "facts" about Klan activity in PA. I had spent two years nailing these folks, and his information was plain wrong. I pointed out that I had all the names of the groups operating out of Reading, PA, and that many of these groups had the exact same membership, just with a different name. Thus the White Socialist Workers Party (Frankhousers group) was the same group as the Peanut Militia (named for a bar in Reading) and the Christian Identity Movement (an attempt to get into the prisons under the guise of religion). Dees was not happy that, when I pointed out the evidence that these groups used the same barrel of weapons, dug up for each meeting and that half of them were members in these groups to buff up their CI creds either for the FBI or the ATF. The ATF and FBI agents could show they were on the case by disclosing ("disclosures for investigative purposes") their informant disbursements, the CIs got a six-pack or two, and Dees got to proclaim the fight against racism and for fundraising. The ATF actually sent Roy up to Toronto in the late 70s to inform on Black September. (If you don't know about Black September you need to move to another thread before your brain explodes). He brought back a tape of some Arab waiters in a political discussion.

Please understand that Morris and his folks did yeoman service in lawsuits against serious hate groups, bankrupting them in the process, but the map of the US hate groups is a hoot. Roy got five years after I convinced the two others to testify against Roy, and later Lyndon LaRouche (who got five years). When he got out he began hosting a cable access show, the White Forum, and two years ago, he sued to be allowed to hold a Klan rally at Artillery Week in Antietim (a local event at the Battlefield using old cannons from the Civil War). He had all of five people at the rally, and left in a huff when I called out to him to take out his glass eye and he recognized me. Dees does not return my calls…

As for the other comments, it is another hoot to go back about three years and read about the subversive leftists who were doing the exact same thing under names like MoveOn and Kos. I was pointing out to a friend of mine at DCs Friday Night Open Band that the reason(s) that Obama is not about to attempt in any way to further any investigation about anything to do with any "interrogation memos", and in fact has gone ahead and signed off on FISA and NSA "findings" are contrary to the perceptions of both groups of "wing-nuts".

1. He is not a fool and knows that the idiocy of the Church hearings in the late 70s allowed terrorist groups to flourish, and Carters nomination of Stansfield Turner to the CIA, and the resulting "Debacle in the Desert" would doom his presidency and the Democrat Party for generations.

2. He has the presidency and must now protect the Nation, and not the ideologues of the Democrat Party.

3. He is a student of history and has probably read "Shadow" by Bob Woodward and its premise that Democrats create political monsters such as "Special Prosecutors", which come back to haunt them because Republicans, once bitten, get better at biting. This is generally true for "Borking", Political Action Committees, filibusters, Senate "holds", and the terrible, previously-Democrat-tactics sanctimoniously proscribed by those suffering short-term memory loss (see above).

4. He knows that the last disgruntled ex-military person to commit mass murders was a black dude named Mohammed...

5. One of his staff has read my homemade bumper sticker "What Would Jack Bauer Do," and Obama (see #1) is not an idiot.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Apr 09 - 08:39 PM

Interesting post, Claymore...

It would appear that you have some level of respect for Obama's pragmatism and intellegence... Me, too... Hey, I might not agree with it all but I do respect his thought processes in general...

Think he's let Cheney and Co. off the the hook too easily but...

And, Janie... Yeah, I can see yer point... Dumbasses are best seen in the day of light...

Sho nuff saw 'nuff of them last night on CNN doing their tea party thing...

BTW, what occured yesterday had absolutley nothing in common with the Boston Tea Party... Something about having an elected governemnt kinda thows those arguemnts out the window...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: open mike
Date: 17 Apr 09 - 09:33 PM

for those who cannot load videos, and those who are unfamiliar with the term, could someone please define tea bagging? thanks...

and wasn't the main point of the 1773 tea party to protest taxation without representation? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/letters/article6115109.ece


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Janie
Date: 17 Apr 09 - 09:43 PM

I don't know if this thread drift, or a natural evolution of the discussion....

Having worked in the public sector all of my adult life in programs and agencies that (quite properly) have strict legal constrictions on the information they can release to protect the privacy and confidentiality of recipients of assorted publicly funded human and social services, I have read many a news story that was inaccurate, in part, but only in part, because only one side of the "story" was available to the news media. The news media, however, is very aware that social service agencies are very restricted in the information they can release, and is therefore aware they are only getting part of the "story." That could be put across in reporting in more clear terms than "citing privacy restrictions, the Dept. of Social Services had no comment." The amount of knowing spin reporters put on such stories has always dismayed me, and leads me to a basic scepticism about most reported news. Reporters of generally reputable news sources put the spin to it because it makes good copy and sells newspapers. Quoted "experts" put their spin on it in order to influence public opinion toward their particular cause or perspective. News media know this, but often fail to make this apparent in their reporting. NPR seems to me to do a much better job at providing objective coverage than any other news outlet in the country, but they certainly do not do a perfectly objective job.

One reason I do not follow the news extremely closely is because of my perception that there is little news that is reported in an objective manner. I do not have the time or the interest to closely read or follow a number of different news sources with different biases to try to separate the facts from the spin, and must rely on my own wit and discernment. So I take most of what I read or listen to with a grain of salt, always wondering where the "truth" lies, and always trying to be mindful of how my own philosophical leanings or emotional reactions might color how I interpret the news that I take in.

Claymore's post tends to confirm for me the need to be skeptical of all that I read that is reported as news, or reported as expert opinion.    I have a lot of respect for the work of the Southern Poverty Law Center. Claymore, if you had not given Dees and the Center their due for the effective work they have done, I would tend to discount your other comments about Dees, because it would not fit in with my own biases. Thanks for sharing your experience, knowledge and perspective.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Apr 09 - 11:25 PM

teabagging

The video I posted is a satirical look at how a teabagging organizer might deal with the awareness of what the term means.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST, heric
Date: 17 Apr 09 - 11:35 PM

I'll one-up you Janie: On the handful (less than a handful) of incidents where I knew the facts underlying a news story, I was amazed at their (mainstream newspapers) inability to accurately report the facts, before any bias is added to that. I still am a news junkie, but from the perpective a whodunnit reader, faced with unreliable narration.

(I met Morris Dees briefly after a speech, once. Brave man.)


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,The Authority
Date: 18 Apr 09 - 12:49 AM

We got our eye's and ears on these FOX Monsters. LET THEM SAY THE WRONG WORDS and they will be in the lockup.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Claymore
Date: 18 Apr 09 - 01:49 AM

Janie, My father used to say that "Both sides lie; your job is to figure out who... I make a point to read two papers a day, usually the Washington Post and the Washington Times. Before the Times it was the Evening Star. I do not listen to radio because both the music and the talk shows are just.....noise. I do watch politics including MSNBC, CNN, Fox, and the old majors, CBS, NBC and ABC. I enjoy myself by trying to figure out as the news cycle evolves who is going to "flog" the story, and who is going to rein it in? This execise can usually be guided by the principle of Whose Ox is Gored?, and Ockhams Razor.

The next paragraph is utter BS written to put a shot through the spanker sail of certain writers above.

Even amateur philosophers should know that I am referring to a reduction of William's writings that in the original was, as my studies in philosophy instructed me, "Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem," roughly translated as "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity." And "Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate," which states "plurality should not be posited without necessity." This is all to say, when multiple competing hypotheses are equal in other respects, select the hypothesis that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities.

To cut through the BS; when faced with a set of multiple choices, the most obvious choice is usually the best.

But I digress. If you or Bobert really want to get to know the KKK, may I suggest that you get a copy of "The Turner Diaries" written in 1978 under the pseudonym of Andrew MacDonald, but was really written by William Pierce. I had my own copy when McVeigh blew up the Murtagh building, which I had seized in the arrest of Frankhouser in 86. When the news broke I faxed a copy of the "entry" of Oct. 13, 1991 (note: 13 years ahead on the diary and 17 years ahead of the explosion in 95). It detailed exactly how a small group of white supremacists, including the fictional Earl Turner blows up the FBI building in Washington DC at 9:15 AM with a bomb made of ammonium nitrate and fuel oil. It is tough reading with graphic hangings of women who have slept with blacks while the "Order" goes after the ZOG (Zionist Occupied Government). During Frankhousers trial, one of the AUSAs and I had hats made that said "Special Agent, ZOG."

(I've just had a bout of cranial flatulence and googled the Diaries. It sells for $4.95 at Discount Books). Ye Gods, and some gimbal-headed twits are worried about tea parties…

And finally GUEST:heric: When I was the PIO for the Loudoun County Sheriffs Department, I went to Richmond to testify against a bill opening more police data to the press. When I was introduced as Sgt Donald Moore, I began my statements, pointing out that the LaRouche folks had invaded our county and some of them were parading around as "reporters." We had just concluded a raid on several of their offices, based on a grand jury investigation (using my warrent; I was the PIO while waitng for the trials to begin). I stated several objections and then pointed out that anyone could style himself a "reporter". I then held up a LaRouche Paper whose headline read "Rabid Grand Jury Psychopaths Indict LaRouche," and in a room full of reporters, I finshed with "Unfortunately many people believe what they read in the newspapers." The rueful laughter was tempered only by the story about the hearings in the Viginia Newspaper Trade publication that listed my name as "Sgt. Donna Mo."


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Apr 09 - 03:43 PM

The next paragraph is utter BS...

Ya sure it isn't ALL the paragraphs, Landmine? You do have a well-established history as an unrepentant Serial Bullshitter.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Stringsinger
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 12:38 PM

It was an anti-Obama rally. Racism was there.

The Boston Tea Party has been misunderstood by historians. Thom Hartmann clarified what it was. The East India Tea Company had a monopoly and was forcing local businesses out.
The stock holders included King George.

The rebellion was because of the rights of the local businesses to survive.

"Taxation without representation" was not the real cause. It was corporate monopoly.

The use of the Tea Party to rebel against Obama doesn't quite fit the analogy. Tax cuts
do nothing to keep corporations from bilking the public. If anything, it protects their coffers.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: robomatic
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 02:31 PM

I'd love to comment on Tea Party day but I think the title of the thread pollutes it by coupling it with KKK/ which is rather stupid, since it is precisely the same tactic as the very thing it seeks to expose.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 02:42 PM

This one's hilarious (and like "teabagging" is also based on an actual campaign)...

2M4M 4EVER!


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 06:47 PM

It's only stupid to you, Robo...

Hate is hate... No two ways about it... The KKK epitomized the kinda hate that we witnessed this past week... It goes hand in hand with the people who attendede the Palin rallies who wanted Obama hanged...

Sorry, I call it the way I see it and where you might5 not agree with the way I call it, stupidity isn't an issue here... Hate is...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 01:37 PM

And now we have a former (thank goodness) Rep. from Colorado laughing while holding up a tee shirt at the teabaggers shindig which says "America is FULL!"

He also let his racism show when he opened his mouth:

(From ProgressNow)

At the national "Tea Party" Convention February 5th, former Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo said that "people who could not even spell the word 'vote' or say it in English put a committed socialist ideologue in the White House." He added that President Obama was elected because "we do not have a civics, literacy test before people can vote." (NY Daily News, 2/5/10)

Tancredo praised the radical 'Tea Partiers' for launching a "revolution," and told the audience gathered that "it is our nation."

"Civics tests" to vote have a long and ugly record in America, primarily as a means of denying minorities the right to vote during the so-called "Jim Crow" era of legal discrimination and segregation. Such "tests" were banned by the landmark Voting Rights Act of 1964, ending what is universally considered today a dark chapter in American history.

Rep. Terrance Carroll, the first-ever African-American Speaker of the Colorado House of Representatives, rejected excuses made by Tancredo for these statements, saying Tancredo should know "how hateful those tests were and how hateful that period of history was." (Denver Post, 2/6/10)


"revolution....OUR nation?" This is not sounding good.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 08:57 PM

Yes, Tancredo should have stuck to what he knows best, saving the environment.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Janie
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 09:17 PM

I listened to his inflamatory remarks on NPR driving home from work yesterday, as well as to some "man on the street" interviews with attendees. It is frightening to me, the appeal to the most base instincts and irrational fears of people. I hope some rational and responsible conservatives with well-thought through ideas will step up to the plate and counter this.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,David E.
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 10:38 PM

Seems that whatever the situation is, the media will always focus on the most extreme segment of participators, which probably represents only 0.01% of the people who are trying to have themselves heard, which is a real shame. All you can do is take CNN&NPR&FOX, divide by three and add a large dose of common sense.

David E.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 09:02 AM

Tom Tancredo = David Duke


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 12:22 PM

No, David Duke is a racist.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 01:36 PM

All you can do is take CNN&NPR&FOX, divide by three and add a large dose of common sense.

Nice try, but these teabagger idiots HAVE no common sense; if they did, they wouldn't be a part of this criminal idiocy.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 02:41 PM

Why criminal?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,David E.
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 03:23 PM

"...they wouldn't be a part of this criminal idiocy."

Criminal because you disagree? Someone was asking on another post what the term "liberal fascist" was suppose to mean... I haven't seem anyone smashing windows, over turning cars, setting fires or throwing rocks at the police. Last time I checked, we still live in something close to a democracy.

David E.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 03:59 PM

Well I'm glad to see someone here can think with both sides of his brain.    Well said guest, tho' I'm not too sure about the "living in a democracy" bit.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 08:41 PM

The deFacto founder of tea partiers is Dick Army as Alice reinterated.

I have despised Dick ever since he was found to be the one who snuck into the capitol building and stuck in a secret ammendment to a Pharmaceutical bill at 2 AM. The Bill was passed the next morning without anyone but him knowing that it had been revised. The law that he inserted at 2AM made it impossible for parents to sue Drug companies for more than several thousand dollars when their children were maimed or killed by drugs that were knowingly poison or negligently developed.

Dick is not looking out for the little guy. Neither are Tea bag birther gun toting real americans - simply because they are misled by shills such as Glen Beck , Bill O'Reilly , Mark Levine , Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh. ( The Greats of American Statesmanship and Constitutional scholars.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 03:03 PM

Well Well Well. Looks like someone is desperately using the term KKK to try to attach some sort if racial injustice and unfairness toward people whom they disagree with.

No discussion of the KKK is complete without the oldest KKKr Bob "sheets" Byrd from good ol Wes Ginny:

Byrd joined with other Southern and border state Democrats to filibuster the Civil Rights Act of 1964, personally filibustering the bill for 14 hours, a move he now says he regrets.[21] Despite an 83-day filibuster in the Senate, both parties in Congress voted overwhelmingly in favor of the Act, and President Johnson signed the bill into law. He also opposed the Voting Rights Act of 1965, but voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1968. In 2005, Byrd told The Washington Post that his membership in the Baptist church led to a change in his views. In the opinion of one reviewer, Byrd, along with other Southern and border state Democrats, came to realize that he would have to temper "his blatantly segregationist views" and move [flipflop] to the Democratic Party mainstream if he wanted to play a role nationally. [get re elected]

Because of his opposition to desegregation, Byrd was often regarded as a Dixiecrat, a member of this Democratic Party wing that opposed desegregation and civil rights imposed by the Federal Government. However, despite his early career in the KKK, Byrd was linked to such "Dixiecrat" Senators as John C. Stennis, J. William Fulbright or George Smathers, who based their segregationist positions on their conception of states' rights in contrast to, for example, James Eastland, who held a reputation as a committed racist.


But hey, when you are fighting a loosing battle with no truth to back you up, you have use every dirty trick you have right?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 04:58 PM

Criminal because you disagree?

No, criminal because of what they have done and what they advocate doing. Guess you haven't been paying attention. The very least they're guilty of is assault.

And don't insult intelligence with this "we live in a democracy" crap, because the teabaggers' agenda and tactics are inherently anti-democratic.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 05:40 PM

For some reason rallies where they talk about taking away people's voting rights, just don't sit right with me. Hah, maybe I'm just old-fashioned that way.

And the ugly hatred that was stirred up at Palin's campaign rallies, and at these Tea Party events, makes me think of a different sort of rally, 70 years ago.

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 03:23 AM

The Tea Baggers Credo: THE ONLY ENEMY OF REAL GOD FEARING AMERICANS IS THE Unconstitutional control and spending of Big Goverment.


Waking up America and understanding common sense.

Obama will lead you to enslavement and extermination just as we have seen tyrants in history attack their own people during times of economic hardship. Never mind if he is not qualified to be the legal President, what he and his fascist communists have done is to buy up our car companies and banks with our tax payers money and plunged us into historic debt.
Big Goverment needs Texas more than Texas needs Big Goverment.
Big Goverment needs to end democracy, liberty and gun rights to leave American families defensless.

We are being called racist christian gun nuts just because we are standing up for what our country used to stand for...Freedom!
We stand for down to earth sanity and will bring down tyrants from the top down and fill Congress from the bottom up with real Americans who love and worship God. We have the common sense answers to every goverment theft of our land water and income. We understand the common sense that it is ungodly murder to kill our unborn babies.

The Bernie Madoffs and the Barak Hussein Obamas of this world will pay for their stealing from hard working Americans, and will feel the wrath of our common sense. If they don't undertand we will elect Real Americans who do and get rid of the rest who just don;t get it. College Professors don;t get it, Hypocritical Hollywood types don't get it, Hip Hoppers don;t get it, Librerals don;lt get it....BUT WE SILL SHOW THEM WHO DOES - !


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
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Date: 09 Feb 10 - 03:59 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 08:06 AM

There's a big difference between the racism of the 40s and today's racism... It's called the Civil Rights movement...

The hardest thing for folks to do is change their hearts... Senator Robert GBryd did just that... I'm not too sure about alot of the folks I hear and see in the coverage of the Tea Party... Lotta of them remind me of the folks who live around these parts where the "n" word never disappeared from the family vocabulary...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:31 AM

"the "n" word never disappeared from the family vocabulary"

It never disappeared from mr "changed heart" Byrd's language:

"In a March 4, 2001 interview with Tony Snow, Byrd said of race relations:
"         They're much, much better than they've ever been in my lifetime... I think we talk about race too much. I think those problems are largely behind us... I just think we talk so much about it that we help to create somewhat of an illusion. I think we try to have good will. My old mom told me, 'Robert, you can't go to heaven if you hate anybody.' We practice that. There are white n*****s. I've seen a lot of white n*****s in my time, if you want to use that word. We just need to work together to make our country a better country, and I'd just as soon quit talking about it so much"

Right there he is being condescending. He is saying they are just as good as us. He has to keep pointing out the difference.

The people who keep saying this and that is racist and how black people are different from white people and therefore need special treatment are the racists and bigots.

That is the racial divide in America. The people who have integrated and the ones who want to keep it alive so they can have something to crow about. Something to be self righteous about.

Let these chest beating 1960's vintage freedom fighers go away and form their own little personal guilt hell and leave post-segregation America out of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:56 AM

Yeah, Sawz...

You'd kinda have to live in that culture to understand what Byrd was sayin'... I never said that he fully changed... There's only so much cahnge you can expect outta people who come from ignorant backgrounds... I know lotta white folks who, like Robert Byrd, have changed their hearts but there is still alot of ignorance in them in regards to the "n-word"... Yeah, I know they think they sound fully enlightened but that level is somethin' that they will never reach...

It makes me sick to hear white folks who think "nigger" refers to anyone who is "lazy and worthless", white of black... It shows a lack of historical perspective but that's about as far as some folks have come... Does that mean that they haven't changed??? No, it doesn't... It just means that they have changed about as much as they can... Ya' gotta remember that the culture in which one is brought up is difficult to shake completely... Byrd has done about as much as anyone I can think of having come thru what he has come thru...

I mean, one does not go about changing an entire culture in one generation... Think about "gay rights" or the "Green Movement"... Ain't no light switch...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 10:57 PM

Post-segregation America? Dude what you on?

O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 10:43 AM

We are all people. The lazy and shiftless are not sorted out by color. If we keep pointing out the way it was and claiming it still is that way, It lives on forever.

Older generations may think that way but find some younger people who believe it. They are looking forward not backward.

And trying to connect conservatives or republicans to the KKK is ridiculous.

Where did the Republican party come from? That party was started specifically to keep slavery from spreading to the new states.

Where did the KKK come from? The first Klan was founded in 1865 by Tennessee veterans of the Confederate Army. Klan groups spread throughout the South. The Klan's purpose was to restore white supremacy in the aftermath of the American Civil War. The Klan resisted Reconstruction by assaulting, murdering and intimidating freedmen and white Republicans.

In an 1868 newspaper interview, former slave trader and Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest stated that the Klan's primary opposition was to the Loyal Leagues, Republican state governments, people like Tennessee governor Brownlow and other carpetbaggers and scalawags. He argued that many southerners believed that blacks were voting for the Republican Party because they were being hoodwinked by the Loyal Leagues. One Alabama newspaper editor declared "The League is nothing more than a n****r Ku Klux Klan."

In 1870 and 1871 [president Grant, Republican***] the federal government passed the Force Acts, which were used to prosecute Klan crimes. Prosecution of Klan crimes and enforcement of the Force Acts suppressed Klan activity. In 1874 and later, however, newly organized and openly active paramilitary organizations such as the White League and the Red Shirts started a fresh round of violence aimed at suppressing Republican voting and running Republicans out of office. These contributed to white Democrats regaining political power in the Southern states in the late 19th and early 20th centuries....

Historian Eric Foner observed "In effect, the Klan was a military force serving the interests of the Democratic party, the planter class, and all those who desired restoration of white supremacy. Its purposes were political, but political in the broadest sense, for it sought to affect power relations, both public and private, throughout Southern society. It aimed to reverse the interlocking changes sweeping over the South during Reconstruction: to destroy the Republican party's infrastructure, undermine the Reconstruction state, reestablish control of the black labor force, and restore racial subordination in every aspect of Southern life.
     To that end they worked to curb the education, economic advancement, voting rights, and right to keep and bear arms of blacks. The Ku Klux Klan soon spread into nearly every southern state, launching a "reign of terror" against Republican leaders both black and white. Those political leaders assassinated during the campaign included Arkansas Congressman James M. Hinds, three members of the South Carolina legislature, and several men who served in constitutional conventions."

...The name Ku Klux Klan has since been used by many independent groups opposing the Civil Rights Movement and desegregation, especially in the 1950s and 1960s. During this period, they often forged alliances with Southern police departments, as in Birmingham, Alabama; or with governor's offices, as with George Wallace [Democrat] of Alabama. Several members of KKK-affiliated groups were convicted of murder in the deaths of civil rights workers and children in the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, and the assassination of NAACP organizer Medgar Evers [by Byron De La Beckwith who boasted of his role in the death of Medgar Evers at several Ku Klux Klan rallies and other similar gatherings in the years following his mistrials. In 1967, he unsuccessfully sought the Democratic Party's nomination for Lieutenant Governor of Mississippi].

***A distinguishing characteristic in the Grant Presidency was Grant's concern with the plight of African Americans and native Indian tribes, in addition to civil rights for all Americans. Grant's 1868 campaign slogan, "Let us have peace," defined his motivation and assured his success. As president for two terms, Grant made many advances in both civil and human rights. In 1869 and 1871, Grant signed bills promoting voting rights and prosecuting Klan leaders. He won passage of the Fifteenth Amendment, which gave freedmen the vote, and the Ku Klux Klan Act, which empowered the president "to arrest and break up disguised night marauders." By 1871, there were 3000 indictments and 600 convictions, of persons committing racial crimes against African Americans. The result was a dramatic decrease in violence in the South. Attornery General Amos T. Akerman gave credit to Grant and even told a friend that no one was "better" or "stronger" then Grant when it came to prosecuting terrorists.
     Grant continued to fight for African Americans civil rights when he pressed for the former slaves to be "possessed of the civil rights which citizenship should carry with it." However, by 1874 a new wave of paramilitary organizations arose in the Deep South. The Red Shirts and White League, that conducted insurgency in Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Louisiana, operated openly and were better organized than the Ku Klux Klan had been. They aimed to turn Republicans out of office, suppress the black vote, and disrupt elections. In response to the renewed violent outbreaks against African Americans Grant was the first President to sign a congressional civil rights act. The law was titled the Civil Rights Act of 1875, which entitled equal treatment in public accommodations and jury selection.
     Grant's attempts to provide justice to Native Americans marked a radical reversal of what had long been the government's policy: "Wars of extermination... are demoralizing and wicked," he told Congress. The president lobbied, though not always successfully, to preserve Native American lands from encroachment by the westward advance of pioneers. Recent historians have emphasized Grant's commitment to protecting Unionists and freedmen in the South until 1876. Grant's commitment to African American civil rights was demonstrated by his address to Congress in 1875 and by his attempt to use the annexation of Santo Domingo as leverage to force white supremacists to accept blacks as part of the Southern political polity.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 10:52 AM

Where did Jim Crow laws come from?

During the Reconstruction period of 1865â€"1877 federal law provided civil rights protection in the South for "freedmen" â€" the African Americans who had formerly been slaves. In the 1870s, white Democrats gradually returned to power in southern states, sometimes as a result of elections in which paramilitary groups intimidated opponents, attacking blacks or preventing them from voting. Gubernatorial elections were close and disputed in Louisiana for years, with extreme violence unleashed during the campaign. In 1877 a national compromise to gain southern support in the presidential election resulted in the last of the federal troops being withdrawn from the South. White Democrats had taken back power in every Southern state. The white, Democratic Party Redeemer government that followed the troop withdrawal legislated Jim Crow laws segregating black people from the state's white population.

     Blacks were still elected to local offices in the 1880s, but the establishment Democrats were passing laws to make voter registration and elections more restrictive, with the result that participation by most blacks and many poor whites began to decrease. Starting with Mississippi in 1890, through 1910 the former Confederate states passed new constitutions or amendments that effectively disfranchised most blacks and tens of thousands of poor whites through a combination of poll taxes, literacy and comprehension tests, and residency and record-keeping requirements. Grandfather clauses temporarily permitted some illiterate whites to vote. Voter turnout dropped drastically through the South as a result of such measures.

     Denied the ability to vote, blacks and poor whites could not serve on juries or in local office. They could not influence the state legislatures, and, predictably, their interests were overlooked. While public schools had been established by Reconstruction legislatures, those for black children were consistently underfunded, even within the strained finances of the South. The decreasing price of cotton kept the agricultural economy at a low.

     In some cases Progressive measures to reduce election fraud acted against black and poor white voters who were illiterate. While the separation of African Americans from the general population was becoming legalized and formalized in the Progressive Era (1890sâ€"1920s), it was also becoming customary. Even in cases in which Jim Crow laws did not expressly forbid black people to participate, for instance, in sports or recreation or church services, the laws shaped a segregated culture.

     In the Jim Crow context, the presidential election of 1912 was steeply slanted against the interests of Black Americans. Most blacks were still in the South, where they had been effectively disfranchised, so they could not vote at all. While poll taxes and literacy requirements banned many Americans from voting, these stipulations frequently had loopholes that exempted White Americans from meeting the requirements. In Oklahoma, for instance, anyone qualified to vote before 1866, or related to someone qualified to vote before 1866, was exempted from the literacy requirement; the only Americans who could vote before that year were of course White Americans, such that all White Americans were effectively excluded from the literacy testing, whereas all Black Americans were effectively singled out by the law.

     Woodrow Wilson, a southern Democrat and the first southern-born president of the postwar period, appointed southerners to his cabinet. Some quickly began to press for segregated work places, although Washington, DC and federal offices had been integrated since after the Civil War. In 1913, for instance, the Secretary of the Treasury William Gibbs McAdooâ€"an appointee of the Presidentâ€"was heard to express his consternation at black and white women working together in one government office: "I feel sure that this must go against the grain of the white women. Is there any reason why the white women should not have only white women working across from them on the machines?"

     President Woodrow Wilson introduced segregation in Federal offices, despite much protest. Mr. Wilson appointed Southern politicians who were segregationists, because of his firm belief that racial segregation was in the best interest of Black Americans and White Americans alike.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: olddude
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 11:05 AM

The problem today bottom line in this country is this. Republican or Democrat the shift has gone from what is good for the people, what is consistent with the bill of rights and the advancement of the economy to What is good for the party. Either party. Until we start electing people who look past the party lines and start doing what they were elected to do, we only have the decent common folks railing at each other.   Me I think this way, the only way Americans seem to get good decisions is if no one party has full control of the executive branch and congress. The disagreements seem to make any decisions a bit more thought provoking I think. When either party has full control then it is we will pass anything because ... well we can .. I think debate and discussion is a good thing. I am not republican nor democrat but independent and like to see balance. I wish we would get back to the people and the constitution and not "those radical republicans, those nazi democrats" and I keep hearing everywhere including the talking news heads ... They both better start working together and make well thought out decisions. That is the only way we succeed instead of this constant party trash talking.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 11:10 AM

Theophilus Eugene "Bull" Connor (July 11, 1897, Selma, Alabama, USA â€" March 10, 1973) was a Democratic Party politician and police official from the city of Birmingham, Alabama, during the American Civil Rights Movement. As the Public Safety Commissioner of Birmingham, Alabama, in the 1960s, Connor became a symbol of bigotry. He infamously fought against integration by using fire hoses, police attack dogs, and even a small tank against protest marchers. His aggressive tactics backfired when the spectacle of the brutality being broadcast on national television served as one of the catalysts for major social and legal change in the South and helped in large measure to assure the passage by the United States Congress of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Connor entered politics in 1934, winning a seat in the Alabama legislature. Connor's vocal skills also served him during a stint as the radio broadcaster for the local minor league baseball team, the Birmingham Barons. That position had developed after he had made a name for himself by using a megaphone to forward telegraph reports of baseball games to Birmingham pool halls. In 1936, Connor was elected to the office of police commissioner, beginning the first of two stretches that spanned a total of 26 years. Connor's first term ended in 1952, but he resumed the post four years later.

In 1948, Connor's officers arrested U.S. Senator from Idaho, Glen H. Taylor, the running mate of Progressive presidential candidate (and former Democratic Vice President) Henry Wallace. Taylor, who had attempted to speak to the Southern Negro Youth Congress, was arrested for violating Birmingham's segregation laws. Connor's concerted effort to enforce the law was sparked by the group's reported Communist philosophy, with Connor noting at the time, "There's not enough room in town for Bull and the Commies." During the Democratic National Convention that year, Connor led the Alabama delegation in a walkout when the party included a civil rights plank in its platform.

In 1950, Connor became a Democratic candidate for Governor of Alabama. He announced he would be campaigning on a platform of "protecting employment practices, law enforcement, segregation and other problems that have been historically classified as states' rights by the Democratic party." That bid, along with another attempt in 1954, would fail, but Connor remained a focal point of controversy that year by pushing through a new city ordinance in Birmingham that outlawed Communism.

In late 1951, Connor's wife reportedly saw an incident of police brutality by Henry Darnell. Connor investigated and charged Darnell with conduct unbecoming an officer. The issues between the two men truly exploded on December 26 when Connor was arrested after being found in a hotel room with his 34-year-old secretary, Christina Brown, following a Christmas party five days earlier. Claiming he was set up, Connor nonetheless was convicted, fined $100 and given a 180-day sentence. Impeachment proceedings followed soon after, but on June 11, 1952, the conviction was thrown out by the Alabama Court of Criminal Appeals. The surrounding controversy led Connor to announce that he would not run again for the city commissioner position.

After returning to office in 1956, Connor quickly resumed his heavy-handed approach to dealing with perceived threats. One prominent instance came when a meeting at the Reverend Fred Shuttlesworth's house with three Montgomery ministers was raided, with Connor fearing that a spread of the bus boycott that had succeeded in Montgomery was imminent. The ministers were arrested for vagrancy, which did not allow a prisoner bail, nor any visitors during the first three days of their incarceration. A federal investigation followed, but Connor refused to cooperate.
     Shuttlesworth had been frequently in danger in the previous two years, having seen his church bombed twice. He, his wife and a white minister were also attacked by a mob after attempting to use white restrooms at the local bus station.

In 1960, Connor was elected Democratic National Committee man for Alabama, soon after filing a lawsuit against the New York Times for $1.5 million, for what he said was insinuating that he had promoted racial hatred. Later dropping the amount to $400,000, the case would drag on for six years until Connor lost a $40,000 judgment on appeal. In November 1962, Birmingham voters changed the city's form of government, with the mayor now working with nine councilmen instead of three county commissioners. The move had been in response to the extremely negative perception of the city (which had been derisively nicknamed "Bombingham") among outsiders. The most prominent example of this continuing embarrassment came in 1961 when the president of the city's Chamber of Commerce was visiting Japan, only to see a newspaper photo of a Birmingham bus engulfed in flames.

Endorsed by the Governor of Alabama, Connor attempted to run for mayor, but lost on April 2, 1963. Bull and his fellow commissioners then filed suit to block the change in power, but on May 23, the Alabama Supreme Court ruled against Connor's position, ending his 23-year tenure in the post. Birmingham had voted to change from a commission form of government to a mayor-council form of government. Connor, citing a general law, contended that the change could not take effect until the October 1 following the date of the election, but the Supreme Court of Alabama held that the general law was preempted by a special law applicable only to the City of Birmingham.

The day after the April election, civil rights leaders, led by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., began "Project 'C'" (for "confrontation") in Birmingham against the police tactics used by Connor and his subordinates (and, by extension, other Southern police officials). King's arrest during this period would provide him the opportunity to write his famous Letter from Birmingham Jail. The goal of this movement was to cause mass arrests and subsequent inability of the judicial and penal systems to deal with this volume of activity. One key strategy was the use of children to further the cause, a tactic that was criticized on both sides of the issue. The short-term effect only increased the level of violence used by Connor's officers, but in the long term the project proved largely successful, as noted above.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 12:58 PM

The last post was supposed to start with Who was Bull Connor?

I am not trying to paint the Democratic party racist. I am trying to point out that to try to use the KKK to indicate that the tea baggers are racist because they are Republicans is in itself racist and bigoted.

The efforts of "disgusting little hypocrites" spreading hatred simply because they disagree with someone.

If you are claiming tea baggers are Republicans, they have a history of championing civil rights.

I don't give a damn about Sarah Palin. I do not care about the Tea Party.

However these people have a right to demonstrate and believe what they want as per the second amendment and I think they should be allowed to do so with out racial attacks from others simply because they disagree.

People like Byrd can use the N word without being called racist but not tea baggers. Byrd = good, tea baggers, as judged by a different set of standards = bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 01:18 PM

Bobert:


R*****k is a derogatory term as offensive and hateful as N****r.

Only a racist would use such a term to describe his fellow human beings and somehow indicate that whatever they think is somehow basically wrong and based on race.

Anybody that uses the R word in such a derogatory manner is hateful, a bigot, a racist and affiliated with the KKK because they are racist.

Redneck is a disparaging term that refers to a person who is stereotypically Caucasian and of lower social-economic status in the United States, particularly referring to those living in rural areas.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 01:29 PM

Well, you'd be hard pressed to convince my neighbors that "redneck" is a bad term... Half of them have bigass "Redneck" decals in the back windows of their cars and trucks...

Don't know no black folks with "Nigger" decals in the back of theirs...

As for political parties??? They have shifted ideologies over time... The last major shift was when the Democrats and Lyndon Johnson purdy much told the South to "Fu*k off" in passing the Civil Rights Act...

There's also another difference between the terms "redneck" and "nigger" in that "redneck" is not used exclusively to mean anyone who is white while "nigger" is used exclusively by some to mean everyone who is black...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 01:59 PM

See that guy with the carpet bag? See the mule with the KKK on it?

Wonder which indicate Republican and which indicates Democrat?

I guess the Democrats were for segregation before they were against it.

Before, they didn't want black folks to vote or own anything so they formed the KKK.

Suddenly it means more votes and re-election.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 02:29 PM

R*****k has two general uses: first, as a pejorative used by outsiders, and, second, as a term used by members within that group.

N****r has two general uses: first, as a pejorative used by outsiders, and, second, as a term used by members within that group.

John Murtha: "there’s no question Western Pennsylvania is a racist area"

"What I said, that indicted everybody, that's not what I meant at all.

This whole area, years ago, was really r*****k,"
Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC: "Interesting images today: Barack Obama, Mark Warner in southwest Virginia. This is real r*****k, sort of bordering-on-Appalachia country. This is not the Northern Virginia, you know, sort of high-tech corridor, and these are voters that he would not logically be, you know, gravitating to. This is the beginning of a pivot,"

Later: "I owe an apology to the good people of Bristol, Va., for something stupid that I said last week. I was trying to explain based on reporting from Democratic strategists why Barack Obama was campaigning in Southwest Virginia. But without attribution or explanation, I used a term strategists often use to demean an entire community."

Where is your appology Bobert?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 02:35 PM

Sawz:

While I accept that it was true during the rise of the KKK that they were Southern Democrats, it is a serious semantic error to think that an 1890 Democrat and 2010 Democrat are in any way similar; the extremist, anti-alien, pro-white wing of current American politics is very much the neocon and fundamentalist right wing, not the left. The Democrats of 1890 were probably right-wing, too. I believe there was a major zig-zag in labels between 1900 and 1970. The leaders of the Civil Rights movement-- JFK, RFK, and LBJ, for examples--were very much on the Democratic and liberal side of the spectrum.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 04:49 PM

Very true Amos.

After the Democrats found out they could no longer block Black folks from voting, they did a flip flop because they then needed the black vote to win. Now black folks are a tool in their hands that they can use to get re-elected.

Suddenly Civil rights became a noble cause that the chest beating Democrats had been pushing all along and it was the Evil Republicans that were blocking it until then.

They can hoot and holler about what they did for black folks against the wishes of the evil Republicans.

They constantly make references to the KKK, Jim Crow and Bull Connor as being evil but they never mention the fact that they were Democratic. They never give any credit to Abe Lincoln and other Republicans for being anti slavery and pro civil rights.

Democrats must use hateful, stereotypical, pejorative terms to refer to people that disagree with them.

Watch out. "They" are right wing extremists, radicals, R*****ks and racists.

Vote for is kindly, always been for civil rights, Democrats and we will protect you from "them".


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 05:50 PM

"95% of all workers have just be given a tax decrease under Obama"

HMMMMM. How much were your taxes cut Bobert?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 06:13 PM

I don't own no one any apology, Sawz...

Listen son... I know alot about different white folks an alot about different black folk... I've worked in the Richmond City Hail as a jail house teacher... I've worked at a half-way house in the inner city... I've worked in social work... I'm a blues musican havin' learned from black folk in Mississippi where the 'lectric wires don't go... And I've lived around mountain white folk and what I refer to as rednecks... The folks I refer to as rednecks are the kinda folks that if I called 'um a redneck or them call me one wouldn't be nuthin' but good fun... Same with black folks... When I was workin' in the jail and halfway house black folks would call me "nigga"... No big deal...

Ya' see, I understand these words probably better than anyone you have ever met... I ain't braggin' 'er nothin' here... I'm just expalinin' the context of what I know about these words... Lotta dumbass white people love to say "I ain't racist when I use the term nigger 'cause it don't mean black" but then ya never hear these sazme peoples callin' any white folks "niggers"... I mean, like never... A reneck call another redneck "nigger" and there's gonna be some guns comin' into play... So I don't buy that line at all... Might of fact, I go into this general store just about every morning to buy my Washington Post and the joint is absolutely filled with rednecks... Hey, I get along fine with these peoples 'cause I know how to get along with folks... They all know I worked for Obama but it don't stop them from using the "n" word freely in talkin' about him??? Like go figure... But I understand that... I really do... I understand rednecks... Redneck can be a bad thing or a good thing between rednecks but it's never exclusively about white folks...

That's where you miss the point, Sawz... Nigger is never used by rednecks as anything but race...

But I don't reckon you can undersatnd that... But I reckon there is no reason on earth why you should... Maybe ya' gotta understand the black culture a little more... You can't understand it from afar... The only way you can understand it is to do what I did and emerse yerself for many years in it...

Does that make me some kinda hero??? No, it doesn't... It does give me a perspective that few white folks have... I didn't go lookin' for those experiences... They found me...

Believe me, Sawz... This is not the battle where you nedd to make your stand... Go fight with me on other stuff... Not this one...

TAX CUTS??? Yeah, lets fight about them...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 06:20 PM

Suddenly Civil rights became a noble cause that the chest beating Democrats had been pushing all along and it was the Evil Republicans that were blocking it until then.


Sawz, please don't be an ass, if it isn't too late.

The Democrats I know, in 2010, tend to be humanistic, liberal, educated and compassionate folks; often the same folks who rode the buses, registered voters or stood in protest circles in the heat of the civil rights movement. I dunno what you were doing in those years or if you were even alive then, but we did what we could to turn around hatred and human intolerance. Do you even know the words to "We Shall Overcome"? Or do you not sing?

Now, back then, we didn't count it as a political football, but as an issue of individual ethics. Connors wasn't evil because he was a Democrat and your effort to drag today's polarization and ruthlessness, started by the Bush campaign more than any other, into the historic efforts of civil rights is completely misleading and disingenuous, sir.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 06:34 PM

Yeah, what Amos said...

My own family was every interesting in the 60's... My mom worked for JFK and my dad voted for Nixon... My mom marched in civil rights marches, worked with the Poor People's Campaign, was arrested half a dozen times, worked in the anti-war movement, etc... My dad, bless his stibborn heart, continues to vote for Republicans and had no interst in any of those things... The dinner table was very interesting... We had a long dinner table which sat 12 and my dad at one end and my quite Democrat mom at the other and my poor broghter and me on the sides watchin' the nightly brawl, "f-bombs" included...

Yeah, there just weren't Repubs out there workin' in the Civil Rights movement and none in the anti-war movement... These were Democrats... Make no bones about it... Democrats or kids of Democrats...

But, I gotta say that my mom wore my dad down and when he marched against the war on the Moritorium that was the proudest I have ever been of my dad... He never voted Repub again, either... Think he had enough with Nixon...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 07:58 PM

Actually redneck is not derogatory from the workers point of view.
The term redneck was coined by the private police and armies hired by robber barons to kill unionists and unions in the mining industry.

Red banadanas and neck scarfs was the identifier among workers who chose to defy the bosses.

The other meaning of red neck from working outside in the sun is not all that derogatory in my book either.

Seeing that West Virginia was the setting of the wars against recnecks by goon squads, may be the reason that the meaning has become one denoting poverty. It was the fight against imposed poverty that the rednecks were dedicated.

The only people who would take pleasure in demeaning rednecks were the aristocracy.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 08:05 PM

But historic realities get lost in time and a twisted perspective is what remains with the help of those who are priviledged enough to be paid to publish official versions. Money talks louder than truth, but truth has more voices.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 08:14 PM

from what he posts, one might think that Sawz is an articulate, well read person. Until one notices that he lifted every bit of it from elsewhere. Want to learn about attribution, Sawz?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 08:27 PM

Yeah, a real cut 'n poster, that Sawz...

But I reckon that he believes the stuff he heists??? I donno???


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 09:13 PM

Well Well Well.

Seems like the same [ethnic slur omitted] folks who didn't mind getting tax rebates from GWB are now posting hate speeches about people who are now exercising their constitutional rights to protest taxes and are using Obamas tax cut as a political weapon to ridicule people simply because they do not agree with then.

They even stoop so low as to use pejorative stereotypes like R*****k, call them disgusting and try to link them to the KKK.

Hoot Hoot: Trumpets blaring:
The Making Work Pay tax credit, normally a maximum of $400 for working individuals and $800 for working married couples, is reduced by the amount of any Economic Recovery Payment ($250 per eligible recipient of Social Security, Supplemental Security Income, Railroad Retirement or Veteran's benefits) or Special Credit for Certain Government Retirees ($250 per eligible federal or state retiree) that you receive. If you are affected by this reduction, you should review your withholding to ensure that sufficient funds have been withheld to meet your tax obligation.

What the hypocritical hate mongers hope has been forgotten:
Tax rebates created by the law were paid to individual U.S. taxpayers during 2008. Most taxpayers below the income limit received a rebate of at least $300 per person ($600 for married couples filing jointly). Eligible taxpayers received, along with their individual payment, $300 per dependent child under the age of 17. The payment was equal to the payer's net income tax liability, but could not exceed $600 (for a single person) or $1200 (married couple filing jointly).

Those with no net tax liability were still eligible to receive a rebate, provided they met minimum qualifying income of $3,000 per year. Rebates were phased out for taxpayers with adjusted gross incomes greater than $75,000 ($150,000 for couples filing jointly) in 2007. For taxpayers with incomes greater than $75,000, rebates were reduced at a rate of 5% of the income above this limit. Individuals who were claimed as dependents by another taxpayer were not eligible for the rebates.

The $3,000 of qualifying income includes earned income (e.g., wages, self-employment income, Social Security), however Supplemental Security Income does not count as qualifying income for the stimulus payment. Also, low-income workers are required to file a return to receive the payment, even if they would not be required to file for income tax purposes.

Some taxpayers who exceed the income limits, but have qualifying children, will still get a rebate. For example, a single parent whose 2007 adjusted gross income was $90,000, pays more than $600 in 2007 taxes and has two qualifying children will receive a rebate of $450. The IRS adds together a $600 rebate for the parent and $600 for the two children to get $1,200, then subtracts the phaseout reduction of $750 ($50 for each $1,000 income above $75,000) to get $450

What Mrs Obama had to say about the GWB stimulus check: "You're getting $600 - what can you do with that?" Mrs. Obama said in
Pontiac, Michigan last week. "Not to be ungrateful or anything, but maybe it pays down a bill, but it doesn't pay down every bill every month. The short-term quick fix kinda stuff sounds good, and it may even feel good that first month when you get that check, and then you go out and you buy a pair of earrings."

Yeah. $400 is manna from God but $600 is chump change depending on which of the two standards you use to judge the value of things.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 10:48 PM

"humanistic, liberal, educated and compassionate folks" Barf.

Who orders the drones into Pakistan? Are they humanistic, liberal, educated and compassionate? Have you run out of material for your Obama thread?

Like I said Republicans have been for Civil rights ever since there has been a Republican party.

Democrats have been anti-civil rights up until the civil rights act of 1964.

Who is disingenuous? Amos with his marvelous weaving of words tries to say Democrats were actually Republicans back then and now the Democrats are Republicans? Yeah, They changed sides somehow according to Amos.

Now I got two Daddys here on the mudcat.

Seems like one of them wants to drag JFK's and LBJ's war into it and try to use that to discredit the teabaggers or anybody else that disagrees with him.

Bobert opened this thread with a hate speech against R******s and teabaggers and claims the teabaggers are hateful. An obviously bigoted position because displays animosity toward people who disagree instead of why he disagrees and how they are wrong.

Now he backs off and says it is all about taxes.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 11:14 PM

sheesh You tend toward the pathetic.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 11:20 PM

Like I said Republicans have been for Civil rights ever since there has been a Republican party.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

At the national "Tea Party" Convention February 5th, former Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo said that "people who could not even spell the word 'vote' or say it in English put a committed socialist ideologue in the White House." He added that President Obama was elected because "we do not have a civics, literacy test before people can vote." (NY Daily News, 2/5/10)

A civics and literacy test before voting? This is "for Civil rights"? Dude 1964 was a long time ago. This stuff is going on NOW.

O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 12:48 AM

"we do not have a civics, literacy test before people can vote."

Do you think those "rather disgusting little r******k hypocrits" and people "with their blatent hatred of Obama" would pass?

Bobert thinks they are ignorant and the people that like Obama are intelligent so what would be the problem?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 01:00 AM

Senator Reid "was wowed by Obama's oratorical gifts and believed that the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate, especially one such as Obama â€" a 'light-skinned' African American 'with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one,' as he later put it privately."

No condescending Democrat racism there.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 02:21 AM

Ah, the old "throw sand in the face" ruse. I've been caught in a falsehood so rather than take my lumps, I'll find somebody on the other side of the aisle I can denigrate (legitimately too!).

Coward.

O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 08:22 AM

I gotta agree with, Sawz... The tax codes are and have been terribly out of kilter...

Ya' have the upper 5% that has corraled 80% of the wealth and pays only about 50% of the taxes... That ain't right!!! That's why we have massive deficits... There is clearly 30% of the wealth just sittin' there doing nuthin'...

(But, Boberdz... It's the upper 5% that create all the jobs,,,)

First of all, let me ask you, "How's it workin'(pun unintended) for ya???"... But past that bit of mythology there are one heck of a loy of jobs created by small businesses whoes owners ain't in the upper 5% but the kinda folks that roll-up-their-sleeves and go to work ever day...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 08:40 AM

And the insanity of the tax-codes still goes on. Obama came out and said he wanted to increase the "child deduction" for individual tax payers. But what he should have said is: we will increase the "child deduction" for up to two children, the third child will stay the same, and there will be no additional deductions for any children over three.
             That way we'd be rewarding the responsible tax-payer and really doing something to help get runaway popultion growth under control.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 11:37 AM

Child tax deduction is foolish. It helps the rich more than the poor. What you want is a cash benefit, but taxable.

Population growth is better resisted by increasing the old age pension and pension-age cash benefits so that people do not need offspring to look after themselves in later life.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 11:54 AM

Well, those are good points, Richard. A taxable cash benefit makes a lot of sense.
                I was just following up on what the president said last week.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 06:25 PM

Well I be danged. Here I done jumped in Bobert's s**t thinkin he was gonna get all riled up and start lashin' out like Godzilla trashin Tokyo but it seems like he ain't too mad after all.

I will defend Bobert's right to say whatever he wants to say and to believe anything he wants to believe.

My point is you don't point out how hateful someone you disagree with is by showing hatred toward them.

There is such a thing as constructive criticism.

Yep, They are off a bit. Who ain't? Who is the perfect party?

You just have to sit back and decide for yourself which of their ideas is right and which is wrong with out a lynch mob mentality.

You don't need a talk show hate monger to help you decide.

I watch Al Jazeera, French news, Russia today, Euro news, Nigerian TV Hongkong TV, Tiawan TV Vietnamese TV etc. which are amazingly unbiased compared to our Cable news chanels.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 06:44 PM

That is the problems, Sawz...

Little Hawk probably says it best: it is the $y$tem and the $y$tem is all about keepin' folks at each other's throats... I mean, vien poppin' Tea Party typr anger is what the $y$tem loves to see... That means that the $yStem will keep fleecing everyone... The $y$tem is what I refer to as Boss Hog... He wnats to keep all the peons pissed off at each other...

"Ya got keep 'um seperated..."

That's the problem I have with the Tea Prtiers... They are so outragious that they are even rilin' up moderates... The gantlet has been laid down by them: Scream at someone or stand aside and let someone who is willin' to scream at someone to ccupy yer space...

This is a very dangerous movement that will insure that Boss Hog and the $y$tem will stay hummin' along like a fine tuned BMW and everyone else will be screamin' at each other...

No, the tax codes suck... They have been wriiten by Boss Hog to protect Boss Hog.... No, it goes beyond just protection... Seems everytime ya' turn around Boss Hogg is gettin' another socialistic welfare check from the peons...

BTW, Richard... I love yer idea... Actually, what is wrong with the country and will bring it down is waht is wrong in any country where the governemnt is owned by the rich... There just ain't alot of money after Boss Hog been to the trough and had his fill left for things like that... But great idea... Anything that wrestles some of the wealth ***back*** to the working class is a good thing for the overall, long term health of the country...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 07:44 PM

Another thought on the Tea Partiers... In a way they are modern day Yippies except that a scarey percentage of them are mad because a black man is president... But the rest of them are just anti-governemnt... You know, yippies...

Yeah, I know this is a stretch but I have really been thinkin' about just who these people are and what they want... Like yippies, they aren't sure what they want but very sure what they don't want (until they need it, of course)... They just hate the governemnt and, hey, after the last year of unprecidented anti-governement ads by the isurance industry, I wonder if they are parroting or they really just flat out hate the governemnt... My problem with these folks is that I know these kinda people... Yeah, they hate the governemnt until they find that the governemnt is only gonna pay "x number" of days for their mama in long term for rahab from that stroke... Then they really hate the governemnt... But let's back up here... These folks say they want out from under the governemnt... Thay say that they don't want a strong national governemnt... But when they need something the first place they turn is to, ahhhhhh... The governemnt that they hate????

But thems is like, ahhhhh, details that haven't been fully worked out by the Tea Partiers... But they sho nuff hate the governemnt...

Yippie!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 11:30 PM

There's that hate hate hate creeping back in. I hate them because I claim that they hate the government.

Boss Hog did it. Somebody did it to me. I lost. Somebody else won unfairly. It's not my fault. What a loser mentality. "I have lost. I can't win. I will continue to lose all my life. Boo Hoo. Take pity on me and help me out. I can't handle it my self. It's too hard. Life is just too hard."

I just watched a Documentary on Colonel Sanders. He started out poorer than dirt. No government took care of him. He worked his way up and now I suppose Bobert would claim he is Boss Hogg cause he made so much money.

I feel sorry for you Bobert. You have your own personal hell you live in that makes you bitter so keep at somebody's throat.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 11:45 PM

I have an idea. America has so much unused land. Put the people who want no government on reservations, with no government and no government support. It's just the original tea party reversed. From "No taxation without representation" to "No representation without taxation".


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 07:32 AM

Except, America doesn't have any unused land.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 07:41 AM

My personal hell is condescending conservatives, Sawz... They have played their little pathological/mythological "elitist" card so many times that for people who don't view the government as the enemy it's become very irritating...

When ya'll conservative wake up and wnat to be part of the solution then maybe we can get somewhere...

But to hear alll your hand-wringin' about "elitists" ain't part of any solution... All it is is the corpoarte head-in-the-sand knee jerk reatcion that Boss Hog want to get outta his massive takeover of media and information.... Garbage in- garbage out...

Yes, intellegent people who want to see the playing field leveled so that the average Joe won't go bankrupt if his kid get's sick, or lose his house if he loses his job, or get sicker because he can't afford health insurance, or, or, or--- yeah, we feel completely "victimized" by folks who think they are "superior" because they have been mindless ebough to buy every lie that Boss Hog has put in theor little inimaginative minds...

The fact of the matter is that progressives have had 3 decades of being ***ruled*** and ***preached to*** by stingy, selfish, unamiaginative, corporate puppets... No one like to be condescneded to and, yeah, we've had enough of ya'll's bullshit and bad policies... No wonder this country can no longer compete... Thde stupid people are running it...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 11:48 AM

Another KKK/Bobert hate speech. He views the government as the enemy.

I'll take this government over any in the world. If there was a better one where people were better off, I would go there. That is if I could pass their immigration laws and of I could swim upstream in the flood of people disparately trying to get into the US

Howard Dean: "the only way to get this many bl**ks in a room like this is to hire them as wait staff"

That's not condescending is it? Not if you use two standards.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,David E.
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 02:32 PM

"I'll take this government over any in the world."

I'd second that.

David E.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 04:58 PM

First of all, my name ain't Howard Dean, Sawz...

Secondly, I'm sure if Howard actually said this it was in jest and has been lifted outta context by who else but Boss Hog hisself...

As for KKK hate speech, Sawz??? Even heard of "projecting"... Youy support so many haters in your threads that for you to call me on hate speech is a joke...

Yes, there are some things I hate... I hate being cheated... I hate being lied to... I hate having my tax money used for stupid wars... I hate it that the corporations have taken over our government... I hate it that the Repub appointed FCC has allowed media consolidation... I hate it that the Supreme Courth has got 5 memebers with their heads up Rush Limbaugh's ass... I hate it that progressive thinkers don't get any microphone time.... I hate it that the conservative movement is backed to the hilt by corporations... I hate it that the poverty rate in our country is a higher percentage than it wa 30 years ago.... I hate it that 1 in 5 children go hungry at night.... I hate it that those forces who have hated the New Deal have their eye on dismantling Social Sec urity and Medicare... I hate it that the upper 5% has now coraled 80% of the wealth... I hate it that 30% of our nation's wealth goes untaxed because it means less services for th working guy.... I hate it that Boss Hog has been able to use his vast wealth and ownership of the media to get woking people to vote agsint their best interests... I hate it that we don't have publicly financed elections... I hate it that the conservatives cry like babies when they are being called upon to expalin why they think they own everything... I hate it that the corpoarte interest have demonized the word "liberal"... I hate it that we have such a high percentage of rednecks who think it's cooler to be that way than to have gotten an education... Speakin' of eductaion, I hate it that the conservatives have taken over school boards and won't let teachers teachers teach real science... I also hate it that our schools don't teach critical thinking... I hate it that Big Oil is standing in the way of real movement in Green technologies and in fighting the polution that fosil fuel burning creates... I hate it that flat-eart scientists have gotten the microphone and have convinced so many non critical thinking folks that greenhouses gased don't contribute to global warming... I hate it that the current Republican Party is using the fiilibuster like it has never been used in order to shut down the governemnt... I hate it Booby Kennedy, Martin Luth King and John Kennedy were assasinated because it ended the last progressive movement... I hate it that conservatives gloat so much... I hate it that conservatcves get away from callin' thinking people "elitists"... I hate hypocrisy whereever it is found... I hate it that news depeartments are having to cut their staff budgets because that means less real information... I hate it that it'd been 3 deacdes
since we had our last caring presdient until Obama... I hate it that a Tea Party gun-nut can show up at a ralley where the president is with an AK-47 strapped to his leg but if I were to have shown up anywhere with a gun where Bush had been speaking I would have been shot... I mean, I could go on...

Yeah, if this is hate speech, then quilty as charged... But it ain't no KKK or racist speech...

That's the difference between me and the Tea Partiers... I'm not sayin' that they are all racists but I am suggesting that a good portion are... They weren't all that pissed off at the goverenment when Goerge Bush was president... I mean, he spent like a runken sailor... He gave money to the banks... Leads me to wonder why all this anger all of a sudden... Obama ain't no liberal... Ain't no socialist, either... Might of fact, he seems to be more "moderate" than Bush was... Definately more cautious... So that leads me to wonder how people could get so worked up??? Everyhting points to race here, Sawz...

That's the way I see it...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 09:25 PM

"He gave money to the banks" Loaned money to the banks.


I say we get some goons and go stomp those teabaggers into the ground. The hateful bastards.

I bet those disgusting little r*****k hypocrits Buy moonshine just to screw the government out of the taxes.

I bet they smoke dope and brag about it to show how much contempt they have for the law.

Don't those hateful people know the right to bear arms is just a mistake written into constitution by gun nuts?

Why should we allow them the same privileges and rights that "we" have?

They don't deserve it according to the different standard that applies to them.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 09:32 PM

Sawz, your capacity to spew irrelevance is astounding.

Stomping teabaggers into the ground? TOtally irrelevant to what Bobert said.

Moonshine? Totally irrelevant.

Redneck? Totally irrelevant.

Smoking dope? Totally irrelevant.

Right to bear arms? Totally irrelevant.

Allow to have same priviliges as we? Bizarrely irrelevant.

Different standard? Stupidly irrelevant.

What planet are you from?

O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 10:45 PM

"I hate it that 1 in 5 children go hungry at night"

According to the Obama regime:

More than a million children regularly go to bed hungry in the US, according to a government report.

According to the US Census Bureau there were 73,941,848 people in the US under 18 as of July 2008.

Help me with the math Bobert. Whip out the Ol' WGSR and divide 1 million by 74 million.

Does it come out to one in 74 children?

There were 21,005,852 people under 5 years old so if your statistics featured a cut off point where every person over 5 was fed at night but every one under five did not get fed it would be one in 21 children.

Check it out with the WGSR and get back to me.

I am in agreement that a million are too many but why does it happen?

And then we are told:

WASHINGTON - First lady Michelle Obama on Tuesday launched "Let's Move," her biggest-ever campaign, aimed at conquering childhood obesity within a generation.

Earlier Tuesday in the Oval Office, President Barack Obama signed a memorandum on childhood obesity. He said it would trigger a 90-day plan that "provides optimal coordination" among federal agencies to fight the epidemic.

About one in three U.S. children now is considered obese or overweight, meaning the country leads the developed world in the problem, said Judith Palfrey, president of the American Academy of Pediatrics.


U.S. Surgeon General Regina Benjamin delivers remarks about government and community efforts to fight childhood obesity during an event with first lady Michelle Obama and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius while visiting the YMCA January 28, 2010 in Alexandria, Virginia. Benjamin released a paper on the public health challenge posed by the rise in obesity, particularly among children, and the importance of involving parents, health care providers, schools, and local communities in finding comprehensive solutions.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 11:44 PM

And your post is relevant to what?? Your point is what??

You don't like what I say or what I think so you attack me personally.

I don't mind it a bit because you have that right and you are welcome to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 11:46 PM

My point is that Bobert posted a long post and in response you posted what seemed to be a response to it, but the points in your response didn't respond to anything bobert had said -- it was just spleen-venting. None of them was relevant. As I said.

O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 11:52 PM

"I hate it that Boss Hog has been able to use his vast wealth and ownership of the media to get woking people to vote agsint their best interests"

Most of them voted for and elected Obama. Isn't he the one that is in their best interests?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 03:56 AM

Very well said Bobert.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 07:41 AM

Thank you, Richard...

Yeah, the term "hate speech" has generally be used in terms of hating someone because of their race, national origin or sexual preference... "Hate laws" address those concerns and not hating specific policies...

Yeah, as I pointed out above there are alot of things that I "hate" but none qualify as "hate speech"...

Yes, do use the term "redneck"... The term redneck does not specifically refere to anyone's race, national origin of sexual preference...

Sawz is very much like these activist Supreme Court justices and thinks he can jsut rewrite law to fit his own biases and prejudices... Most folks here see and understand that... Hey, if yer gonna rewrite the rules then, yeah, one can label anyone anything they want to label them...

Hate speech, as defined by the current defination, ain't me...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 08:36 AM

BTW, Sawz... The claim of 1 in 5 children go to bed hungry is from statistics provided by, ahhhhhh, the leftie U.S.D.A!!!

Google "1 in 5 Children Hungry" for deatils...

Don'tcha just *hate* it when ol' hillbilly knows what the heck he's talkin' about??? lol...

I hate it that there are so many right winged corporate sponsored think tanks that *hire* so many righties and actaully *pay them* to do nothin' but sit in front of computers all day long and twist information into a form that it can be easilly digested and reguritated by folks who were never taught to think for themselves...

So add that hate to my list...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,David E.
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 11:01 AM

"I hate it that there are so many right winged corporate sponsored think tanks that *hire* so many righties and actaully *pay them* to do nothin' but sit in front of computers all day long and twist information into a form that it can be easilly digested and reguritated by folks who were never taught to think for themselves..."

Unlike NPR... (smiling)

David E.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 11:56 AM

Correct! They are VERY unlike NPR.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 12:49 PM

I didn't realize that NPR actaually hired people/reseacrhers that did
nuthin' but twist information for the sake of politics???

NPR is not radical at all... Or even liberal... The problem with NPR is that in trying to be, ahhhhhhh, objective (what a concept), yes, compared to the rightie media outlets they do seem to be liberal... Heck, I am way left of NPR... I mean, way left!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,David E.
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 02:33 PM

That's what's interesting about how we view news, life, opinions, everything really. It's all a matter of where we are standing. Bobert uses the term "rightie media outlets" and I'm not even sure what that means. News reporting seems to go from extreme one-sidedness (Democracy Now!) to what is termed the objectiveness of NPR but with most of it (CNN, Reuters, most newspapers) on the "left" side of things. Again, from where I am standing, based on my experiences and values. Sure beats living in Iran anyway.

David E.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 03:44 PM

Bobert, that is a wonderful summation of what is wrong in our nation.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 05:46 PM

Thank you, Eb... I reckon that Sawz will come along now and say I hate America...

Nah, that is bogus thinkin'...

Let me add that to my hate list...

I hate it that if you do what Tom Jefferson expected us to do in questioning our governement then the right says you hate America...
Amd I hate it that the right is so smug in their self-righteosness that they don't even have a clue what I just said...

As for CNN??? No they are very much to the right of center... DemocracyNow, yeah, is right (bad word) about where I am politically...

Here's what I would love to see... I'd love to see a debate between and average "leftie" and an average "rightie"... No, not celebs like Amy Goodman and Rush Limbaugh but a couple folks off the street who define themselves as lefties or righties... I think that would be interesting because, even though this isn't going to happen, I'd put my money on the average leftie to take the average rightie to the cleaners...

(Oh, Boberdz... That sounds so elistist... You really think that folks on the left are better informed and smarter that their rightie counterparts???)

Yo betcha, I do...

That's why the Repubs won't put forth any ideas on health care reform... With their dull normal IQ's they just don't have any... If their positions run off the end of the bumper sticker they are lost...

But thanks, Eb... But aren't you afriad to be associated with a man filled with so much hatred??? lol...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 08:04 PM

Are you projecting all these Bobert facts onto the teabaggers?

"I hate it that the Supreme Courth has got 5 memebers with their heads up Rush Limbaugh's ass"

That must be painful. Now where is the documentation?

Are the stats purported to be from the U.S.D.A correct or is the Obama stats and the Census bureau correct?

Why is Obama only interested in the epidemic of childhood obesity?

"Don'tcha just *hate* it when ol' hillbilly knows what the heck he's talkin' about???" No Bobert, the hate is your forte.

Nowhere have I said I hate anybody or anything.

"The claim of 1 in 5 children go to bed hungry is from statistics provided by, ahhhhhh, the leftie U.S.D.A!!!"

Where Bobert? When I google "1 in 5 Children Hungry" I see

No results found for "1 in 5 Children Hungry" Below that it says

"Fact: 1 in 5 children in South Africa go to bed hungry each night."

I see nothing like that at the USDA website.

do seePrevalences of Food Insecurity and Food Insecurity With Hunger

National Conditions and Trends

Eighty-nine percent of U.S. households were food secure throughout the
entire year 2003 (fig. 1). "Food secure" means that all household members had access at all times to enough food for an active, healthy life. The remaining 12.6 million U.S. households (11.2 percent of all households) were food insecure at some time during the year. That is, they were, at times, uncertain of having, or unable to acquire, enough food for all household members because they had insufficient money and other resources for food. About two-thirds of food-insecure households avoided hunger, in many cases by relying on a few basic foods and reducing variety in their diets. But 3.9
million households (3.5 percent of all U.S. households) were
food insecure to the extent that one or more household members were hungry, at least some
time during the year, because they couldn't afford enough food.



AHHHHHHH it says right there on the USDA website that 3.5 % of households hand one or more members hungry at least some time.

1 in 5 is 20 % so where did your number come from Bobert?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 08:17 PM

Bobert fact: "The term r*****k does not specifically refere to anyone's race"

Real world fact: R*****k is a disparaging term that refers to a person who is stereotypically Caucasian and of lower social-economic status in the United States, particularly referring to those living in rural areas.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 08:34 PM

Sawzaw, I don't know about 1 in 5 but if I were you, I'd be ashamed to be that blase about human hunger, whether American or not. Take a look at these stats and don't argue over who deserves food and who does not. I am ashamed of being human.

* In the Asian, African and Latin American countries, well over 500 million people are living in what the World Bank has called "absolute poverty"
* Every year 15 million children die of hunger
* For the price of one missile, a school full of hungry children could eat lunch every day for 5 years
* Throughout the 1990's more than 100 million children will die from illness and starvation. Those 100 million deaths could be prevented for the price of ten Stealth bombers, or what the world spends on its military in two days!
* The World Health Organization estimates that one-third of the world is well-fed, one-third is under-fed one-third is starving- Since you've entered this site at least 200 people have died of starvation. Over 4 million will die this year.
* One in twelve people worldwide is malnourished, including 160 million children under the age of 5. United Nations Food and Agriculture
* The Indian subcontinent has nearly half the world's hungry people. Africa and the rest of Asia together have approximately 40%, and the remaining hungry people are found in Latin America and other parts of the world. Hunger in Global Economy
* Nearly one in four people, 1.3 billion - a majority of humanity - live on less than $1 per day, while the world's 358 billionaires have assets exceeding the combined annual incomes of countries with 45 percent of the world's people. UNICEF
* 3 billion people in the world today struggle to survive on US$2/day.
* In 1994 the Urban Institute in Washington DC estimated that one out of 6 elderly people in the U.S. has an inadequate diet.
In the U.S. hunger and race are related. In 1991 46% of African-American children were chronically hungry, and 40% of Latino children were chronically hungry compared to 16% of white children.
* The infant mortality rate is closely linked to inadequate nutrition among pregnant women. The U.S. ranks 23rd among industrial nations in infant mortality. African-American infants die at nearly twice the rate of white infants.
* One out of every eight children under the age of twelve in the U.S. goes to bed hungry every night.
* Half of all children under five years of age in South Asia and one third of those in sub-Saharan Africa are malnourished.
* In 1997 alone, the lives of at least 300,000 young children were saved by vitamin A supplementation programmes in developing countries.
Malnutrition is implicated in more than half of all child deaths worldwide - a proportion unmatched by any infectious disease since the Black Death
* About 183 million children weigh less than they should for their age
To satisfy the world's sanitation and food requirements would cost only US$13 billion- what the people of the United States and the European Union spend on perfume each year.
* The assets of the world's three richest men are more than the combined GNP of all the least developed countries on the planet.
* Every 3.6 seconds someone dies of hunger
* It is estimated that some 800 million people in the world suffer from hunger and malnutrition, about 100 times as many as those who actually die from it each year.


And it only gets worse...


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 09:01 PM

Well, Sawz... When I Googled up "1 in 5 Children Hungry" the firast site was one where the U.S.D.A. was referenced... Maybe you got a right winged chip in yer computer that only allows rightie material to come to you... That would explain alot... Sho nuff would...

I mean, yer purdy good with the pudder so I find it astonishing that all you can find is right winged stuff... Maybe that's all you care about??? I donno???

What else???

Ah yes, redneck... Again, you are 100% wrong... Sorry, pal, but it looks like yer in a slump... It referes to white folks who really have no knowledge of the issues, are more into NASCAR, nationalism, sports, tatoos, trucks and are willin' to fight anyone who they think are elitists... I know all about rednecks... Most of the folks I know are rednecks... Hey, I gotta a little redneck in me... I like car racin'... Might of fact, Sawzm I know you will find this incredulous but I used to own and drive a mini-stocker... I like my shine... I like pot... Oh, yeah... Rednecks are into the pot these days... Their daddies just like shine but younger Redneck Nation don't mess with no shine.... It's pot...

Yo, Sawz... You ain't no bad guy... I don't hate you... You just ain't all that informed or worldly... I know it's hard fir ya to be lectured about rednecks by an ol' hippie who has lived with black folks and has lived with rednecks and brings a little of both cultures to the discussion but that's the way it is... Yeah, I reckon if I was you I'd be purdy pissed off, too... But, like I said, when it comes to race and subcultures this ol' hillbilly ain't someone you want to mess with 'cause...

....it weren't my idea to do the things I've done or live the way I have lived or experience the thing I have experienced but, no brag intended here, I have lived a most astonishing life that has brought me in close contact with alot of very different sub-cultures... This is one area where I could prolly write a book... Really... LIke I said, I didn't ask for this life... It just happened and it gives me a persoective on racial issues that I think very few people have...

I mean, this stuff is internalized... I have palyed music in juke joints in Mississippi where there weren't too many white folks... I can talk the talk and walk the walk... There's somethin' that alot of white folks don't know... I'm not sure what you call it but I call it an African American groove... When I talk with black folks who I have never met there is an instant connection... You don't have a clue what I just said, Sawz because I am guessin' that you have not emersed yourself into the black culture...

Then if you were to see me walk into the general store tomorrow morning outside of Stanley, Va. you'd see me interact with the local rednecks in a manner that is equally comfortable... Hey, when I walk into the store in the mornings everyone in there wants to talk shit with me... Hey, I know redneck...

I ain't sayin' that this makes me better than anyone else... It's just the way it is... Kinda like one guy plays the offensive line at 300 pounds better than the other guy who plays opposite on the defensive line at 300 pounds... Ain't no rhyme ot reason... Just the way things are...

But if you want to continue down this path of me being some kinda hate speech hillbilly 'cause I use the term redneck the way I have know it to be used then have at it... Don't much matter to me... I told you to pick somethin' else... Maybe some policy difference where you might get a few points on the board... You won't get any here 'cause...

...that dog won't hunt... Yer over yer head here... You can pull up as many rightie blogs as you like, Sawz... It won't help you 'cause in this one area I, by defualt, have gotten a PHD...

What else???

Oh yeah, a little refresher on hate speech... The term redneck does not refer to white people in general... It refers to a certain segment of white people... A sub-culture... So using the term, while being offensive to you, is ****not**** racist.... It is also not hate speech as defined by law...

Your proclamation to the contrary are just that: proclamations...

Now before you say that what I say are proclamations keep in mind what I have said here... If you need the details of my history living amongst various subcultures then we can do that... I don't think it will serve any purpose other than to further weaken your case but we can do that...

Like I said, find somethin' else to argue over 'cause you will lose this one 100 times outta 100 attempts... No brag, just fact...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 09:19 PM

"Youy support so many haters in your threads"

Who Bobert? got any names. If I did, did I say I hate somebody?

When?

Where?

Now you are trying to project youe hate speech on me saying I hate somebody.

And I agree with you that your name is not Howard Dean. But when a "Progressive" utters a racist statement you pull out that old tattered dogeared "out of context" card and then follow it up with the Joker card.

Which Progressive said this?:
"You cannot go into a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. Oh, I'm not joking."


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 09:24 PM

Give up, Sawz... Find something else... You are embarrassin' yourself here...

Serious business...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 09:42 PM

Ok Bobert, Here is the report.

Where is your one 1 in 5 children go to bed hungry "fact" in that report?

Where does it contain your revised "1 in 5 Children Hungry" "fact"?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 10:19 PM

R*****K:

n. Offensive Slang

   1. Used as a disparaging term for a member of the white rural laboring class, especially in the southern United States.
   2. A white person regarded as having a provincial, conservative, often bigoted attitude.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 10:44 PM

Good grief. Go to bed.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 11:01 PM

Don't see any answer from Bobert. Where is that fact Pop?

Can anybody here find it?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 06:30 AM

While the "1 in 5 children in the US go to bed hungry every night" may be elusive googling for "1 in 5 children" and "hungry every night" produces many repetitions of the expression, so if it is a fantasy it is a widespread one.

I did however find a very interesting paper

http://www.bris.ac.uk/poverty/news_files/Inaugural%20Lecture%20Transcript%2018.10.041.pdf

and if the position of the USA in some of the tables there does not make the US economic right hang their heads in shame, it really ought to.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 07:26 AM

When I Google in "1 in 5 children hungry" the very first listing is for:

http://www.foodfirst.org/progs/humanrts/hungerinamerica.html

By the way that site is for an organization called Food First

They can be contacted be email at foodfirst@foodfirst.org or at 510 654 4400

Here where I think yer problem is, Sawz... I think that you have Googled so many right wing web sites that your computer has has organized yer information to give you rightie-sites before it gives you anything else... I understand that computers do recognize browsing hstories and when you say that you cannot find a site the uses U.S.D.A. sources it tells me that you are being fed a steady diet of right winged BS from your serce engine... I'd say that yer pudder needs some serious attention becuase it is brainwashing you...

Serious business... And this would also explain the endless list of rightie0sites that you cut and paste... Yer computer is just trying to, ahhhhhh, please you...

Glad that I Google all kinds of stuff from various political leanings 'cause I'd hate for my cumputer to have the decision power over what it wanted me to know... Obviously you ahve become your computers lacky...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 02:36 PM

Yes Bobert and I have emailed that organization and asked them:
It says on your website at http://www.foodfirst.org/progs/humanrts/

"The U.S.D.A. reports that in 2000, nearly 1 in 5 children (10 million) went hungry. (4) "
While reading the referenced USDA report, I can not find that information.
Please direct me to it.
Keep up the good work.

I also sent a request to www.rainbowfund.org
Both of these organizations evidently have good intentions and I am not disparaging them.

Meanwhile at the "leftie" USDA I find:

Household Food Security in the United States, 2003/FANRR-42
Economic Research Service/USDA
Table 1—Prevalence of food security, food insecurity, and food insecurity with hunger, by year
                            Food insecure
                                        Without hunger With hunger
      Total   Food secure    All         among children among children
      1,000 1,000 Percent 1,000 Percent 1,000 Percent 1,000 Percent
Households with children:
1998 38,036 31,335 82.4   6,701   17.6 6,370 16.7      331 .9
1999 37,884 32,290 85.2   5,594   14.8 5,375 14.2      219 .6
2000 38,113 31,942 83.8   6,171   16.2 5,916 15.5      255 .7
2001 38,330 32,141 83.9   6,189   16.1 5,978 15.6      211 .6
2002 38,647 32,267 83.5   6,380   16.5 6,115 15.8      265 .7
2003 40,286 33,575 83.3   6,711   16.7 6,504 16.1      207 .5
Children (by food security
status of household):2
1998 71,282 57,255 80.3 14,027   19.7 13,311 18.7      716 1.0
1999 71,418 59,344 83.1 12,074   16.9 11,563 16.2      511 .7
2000 71,763 58,867 82.0 12,896   18.0 12,334 17.2      562 .8
2001 72,321 59,620 82.4 12,701   17.6 12,234 16.9      467 .6
2002 72,542 59,415 81.9 13,127   18.1 12,560 17.3      567 .8
2003 72,969 59,704 81.8 13,265   18.2 12,845 17.6      420 .6
Looks like Households with food insecurity and children and hunger maxed out in 1998 at 1% and In 2003 it was down to .6%
Supposing that .6% of households had 20% of the children in the US:

According to the US Census Bureau there were 72,293,812 people in the US under 18 in 2000 so 1 in 5, 20%, would be 14,458,762 million children in 420,000 households = 34 children per household.

Ahhhhhhhh, how does that work Bobert? My math could be wrong and if so I would like to know where.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,KP
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 06:18 PM

I think the link to a pdf with the reference about food poverty can be found a little way down on this page.
US food crisis

Its from the food hardship and action centre, although I don't know who they are, an agency or a charity.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 07:00 PM

I'd say that if you want to argue with anyone concernin' my claim, I've given you a phone number... Call it...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 08:20 PM

Your claim is that it appeared in some website page and they attributed it to the USDA. But where is it at in the report? Where does it say anything about 1 in 5 children?

You are refusing to answer by trying to pass the responsibility of your claim to someone else.

Or if it is my responsibiltiy to prove or disprove it, I say if the numbers in that report are right, it works out to 34 children per household. Now how is that possible?

I could be wrong but where?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 09:03 PM

"I think the link to a pdf with the reference about food poverty can be found a little way down on this page. US food crisis"

It says on blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/01/26/the-u-s-food-crisis-1-in-5-went-hungry-last-year/

Is that a right wing blog or a left wing blog Bobert?

It says:

"In it comes the striking news that one in five Americans went hungry at some point in 2009."

Now we have gone from 1 in 5 children go to bed hungry as per USDA report to 1 in 5 Americans went hungry at some point in 2009"

I am guilty of being hungry at some point in 2009. Were you ever hungry in 2009?

And it refers to a non USDA report that says:

"Of the 436 congressional districts (including the District of Columbia), only 23 had a food hardship rate below ten percent. 311 had a rate 15 percent or higher. In 139 food hardship was reported by one fifth or more of all respondent households."

So now it is 31% of all congressional districts has 20% of the households reporting a food hardship.

Quite different form the original Bobert fact that 1 in 5 children go to bed hungry"


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 12:08 AM

Here we go Bobert. I don't believe this is a right wing blog: President Obama's 2015 Paper: Tackling Domestic Hunger

"From 2000 to 2007, the number of individuals living in poverty rose by nearly 6 million, to a total of 37.3 million."
[the population rose by 20 million]

"According to the Department of Agriculture, in 2006, 430,000 children in the United States experienced hunger."
[.06% page 20 of 66 1 in 5 is 20%]

"1 in 6 children lives in a household that is food insecure" [at times during the year, the food intake of household members was reduced and their normal eating patterns were disrupted because the household lacked money and other resources for food. page 13 of 66]

I hope nobody here thinks I don't care about children going hungry or that I think there are no children going hungry. There are children going hungry and it should be corrected.

Is the statement "1 in 5 children go hungry at night" a fact or an exaggeration?

Bobert won't say it is true and he won't point it out at the USDA. He just ducks the question. I don't hate Bobert or anybody, I am just questioning his "facts".


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 12:56 AM

THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the First Lady
A DISCUSSION WITH THE FIRST LADY, SOCIAL SECRETARY DESIREE ROGERS, EXECUTIVE CHEF CHRIS COMERFORD, PASTRY CHEF BILL YOSSES AND STUDENTS FROM L'ACADEMIE DE CUISINE
White House Kitchen 3:58 P.M. EST
MS. ROGERS: We are so excited to have all of you here. And welcome to the White House Kitchen. I don't know that you've ever been in here. And so we're delighted to have all the students here. We're delighted to have the First Lady here on the eve of our inaugural dinner. One of the things that you may not know --
MRS. OBAMA: Our Governors' Ball Dinner.
.....You'll see that the chefs have selected many of the vegetables and the meats from across the country, as well as the wines. And so we are really excited about what is going to occur tonight, and particularly excited that the culinary students are here to really be able to share and interface with the staff here. Maybe one day you guys might wind up being a White House Chef. (Laughter.)
And so we've got 130 people coming tonight to eat in the State Room. And then the President and Mrs. Obama will invite them to hear the Marine Corps Band. And then of course one of the American legends, a band I really love, Earth Wind and Fire, is going to be here. (Laughter.) So with no further adieu, Mrs. Obama.
MRS. OBAMA: Thank you, Desiree. Well, welcome everybody. This is an exciting day for me, for all of us. It's my first official dinner, and I've got with me Cris Comerford, the Executive Chef, as well as Bill Yosses, who is the head of our pastry division. This is so exciting, and I want to just welcome all of the students from L'Academie de Cuisine. You guys are the top students, so we are so excited to have you here. This is going to be a fun day for us. We're going to have good food, we're going to have good music, so we're very excited....
....And of course the first things we considered are what's seasonal and what is fresh, and of course representing the best of the American spirit. And you have to make sure -- like we tried to look at the northeastern part and see what's the best thing that they could offer at the season. And let me just go through each courses, so every course will be explained well to you.
Our first course is Chesapeake crab agnolottis, which are stuffed pasta with sunchoke puree. I heard a question earlier from one of the press. They wanted to know what sunchokes is. A sunchoke is also called Jerusalem artichokes, but they're not really artichokes; they're actually a root that's very reminiscent of potato and –- (inaudible). So it has a very -- ooh, wow, on cue -- (laughter) -- this is Tafari right here, who is one of my assistant chefs, who did just a wonderful plate that we'll be serving tonight. These are three agnolottis that are served with the sunchoke puree, a little basil oil. It's really wonderful. It's very light and airy, and of course it's Mrs. Obama's favorite. So thank you, Tafari.
And then next I'm going to talk about our main course, which is the Wagyu beef, or the -- it's actually an American-style Kobe beef. It's actually a cross-breed of the Kobe and the Angus beef, and actually this particular cattle herd is from central Nebraska. In these particular feed lots, we would, like, feed the beef like grass feeding; 90 percent of it's live, and towards the last 10 percent, it's given nice, organic whole grains, and some -- you know, just to enhance -- you know, fattening and marbling of the meat.
So as Tommy is putting together a wonderful beef on the side, I'm going to explain to you some of these wonderful carrots. I'm going to take it away from Franky, who's actually a graduate of your school. So we have one of your alumni. (Laughter.)
This is a Red Dragon carrots that is growing in a greenhouse in Huron, Ohio. So pretty much, as you can see, what connects all of our menu is really trying to use up things that are indicative of this area, but then at the same time, you know, not forgetting that we could get some things that are good -- let's say, for example, in Nebraska -- just like what the beef represents. So we try to be really very good with using the best of the local products.
And as you can see, what the guys are doing right now is just cleaning it off. And later on, this kitchen at about, like 5:00 p.m. -- when this press review is over, it's going to be so busy, trying to put together things. Everything is pretty much prepared and done here.
And this is Tommy, my Executive Sous Chef, who put together this wonderful main course. And it's of course the Wagyu beef that's served on a carrot puree. And of course we have some Nantucket sea scallops that are wonderful -- and it's also Mrs. Obama's favorite, so we have to put it in there.
MRS. OBAMA: The President loves scallops, too.
MS. COMERFORD: He loves scallops, too. We won't forget him, either.
MRS. OBAMA: Don't forget about him. (Laughter.)
MS. COMERFORD: And then for the salad tonight, I mean, you want something that's really light and very citrusy, to kind of like finish this course. It's not, you know, technically heavy, but it's really kind of like -- thank you, Sam. Sam here has put together a wonderful plate of -- you want to explain what's on this?
MR. KASS: Sure. So these are -- we'll start from the bottom up. On the bottom is watermelon radishes that are grown very close to here. They're really big and beautiful. And it's a citrus salad, so we carve our oranges and grapefruit. And then our lettuces are mixed with ice plants, which grow really well through the winter. And we have crystal lettuce, and they're very -- basically the same variety of plant, and with Sicilian pistachios that have been lightly candied, and a honey citrus vinaigrette. So it should be very tasty.
MS. COMERFORD: And of course you saw all of the three courses. And of course this course won't mean anything without Bill explaining -- (laughter) -- the dessert. So I'll pass it on to you.
MR. YOSSES: Thank you. Thanks. The desserts are in the same philosophy as the main courses, in that we like to use regional specialties, natural and unadulterated, whenever possible. So tonight we're going to be serving a huckleberry cobbler with caramel ice cream. It's one of the First Family's favorites.
And here's the huckleberries. They come from Idaho, so I sort of have the West Coast covered. (Laughter.) Idaho and Washington state, Oregon, they all specialize in huckleberries. As you may know, it's a wild product, it's a wild bush that grows on the mountains. They have not been able to cultivate it yet, though they tried. Mother Nature seems to want to keep those for herself.
So we are proud to serve this tonight, and happy to have you with us.
MRS. OBAMA: And we're going to have ice cream, right?
MR. YOSSES: And ice cream, as well. (Laughter.) You've got to have that, yes. -in the meantime, I can bring some of these pieces.
For the after-dinner guests, we don't want to forget them, so we brought a little selection of goodies for them, as well. These are maple truffles; New Orleans pralines -- they seem to be requested quite often -- (laughter); a pear layer cake; these are cheesecake lollipops; this is a huckleberry -- a little version of the huckleberry tart for the after-dinner guests; a meringue; and a raspberry tart; and a passion fruit.....
"1 in 5 children go hungry" I wonder how many kids you could feed with what that elitist spread cost?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 01:02 AM

Boy, Sawzaw, you are on a roll, aren't you. There are very few political leaders who don't put on a spread for guests.

Frankly, you don't appear to actually care about hungry children at all. You are merely sniping at everyone and everything. I don't suppose you get the reason why, but I still think you should be ashamed of yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 08:02 AM

That's what partisan's do, Eb... Especially those here, many of whom are not musicans at all...

I find it interetsing that rather than take on the overall substance of my "hate rant" which dealt with the general state of affairs in the country, Sawz, like his hero Teribus, decided to find one part and attack it as if it was the Holy Grail of the liberal/progressive movement...

Yer right, Eb.... Sawz really doesn't car one way or another about kids being hungry... But that is the conditioned repsonse one expects of today's so-called Republicans... They watched George Bush spend like a drunken sailor for 8 years and applauded... The fact that George Bush created quite alot of deficits that would kick in during the next president's term doesn't stop them from their daily pounding away at Obama as a "big spender Democrat"...

Yer right, Eb... They just want back in power so they can get back to the deeper end of the money trough... That's what this is about... Iy's not about caring for country, for ones countrymen or for one's countrykids... It's all about being in power... Power, power, power... That is the only goal for folks like Sawz... That have had it for 30 years and they are not ready otr willing to either share it or let the other fraternity have it...

It's like a bigass "capture-the-flag" game for them that has nothing to do with the kids going hungry, the highest incarceration rate in the so-called civilized world, broken families, stagnation of wages for the working class...

No, Eb, it's about power and how much more wealth they can extract outta a sinking economy and society...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 04:07 PM

Was George Bush spending like a drunken sailor when he was AWOL from the National Guard?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 04:30 PM

Whut?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 05:13 PM

Word on the street is that George was spending his daddy's dough on coke, Rigs... No, not the cola...

Was that "whut" fir me, Eb??? If so, I wasn't really sayin' that you said those things but I sometimes take our tandum thinkin' for granted...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 06:07 PM

I heard he never made up that time he was AWOL -- zat true?

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 06:10 PM

Well, doesn't Commander in Thief count fir anything, mouser???

I mean, when he was asked about the job he said it "was hard"...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 06:20 PM

Barbie said that about mathematics too.

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 09:15 PM

Did she write numbers of the tips of her fingers, or did she just chortle and fake amnesia like Ronald Reagan?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 09:19 PM

No, the powers controlling her just pulled a string on her back. Sort of like Bush fils.

O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 09:22 PM

No, Beaubear, that WHUT? wasn't for you. I agree about the tandem thinkin', by the way. It was addressed to Rig, seemed an odd question to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Riginslinger
Date: 16 Feb 10 - 09:08 AM

Well, I mean he wasn't actually a sailor, but drunken, well...?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Feb 10 - 01:23 AM

"you don't appear to actually care about hungry children at all" Then you have not read what I posted, You just lash out rather that prove your "Facts"

Now like I said, wouldn't that lavish feast for the elitists have fed a lot of hungry children or not? You seem unconcerned about the feeding of the children except as a hate point to discredit those you do not agree with.

Obama says "When times are tough, you tighten your belts" but that does not apply to his budget. The man of the people goes out for a photo op at a hamburger joint, then they serve $100 per pound Wagu prepared by two full time chef's and several assistant chefs.

Michelle Obama gets chauffeured to the Capitol Area Food Bank for Feeding America event wearing $540 sneakers. Back at the white house: "So it has a very -- ooh, wow, on cue -- (laughter) -- this is Tafari right here, who is one of my assistant chefs, who did just a wonderful plate that we'll be serving tonight. These are three agnolottis that are served with the sunchoke puree, a little basil oil. It's really wonderful. It's very light and airy, and of course it's Mrs. Obama's favorite. So thank you, Tafari."


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Feb 10 - 01:30 AM

Still can't find anything supporting the Bobert magic 1 in 5 "fact" and he is too lazy and smug. He prefers bigoted ad hominen attacks and racial slurs or facts.

Do people really go to bed hungry?

.......The United Nations reported in June 2009 that 1.02 billion peopleâ€"one of every sixâ€"are acutely hungry every day. The great majority of these people live in grinding poverty on a daily basis, causing them to eat both less food overall and cheap food, which is often less nutritious........

......The U.S. Department of Agriculture reports that in 2005, about 11% of American households did not always have enough food for each member to have an active, healthy life. These families might be an older couple with unusually high utility bills or a struggling family in which the adults skip meals in order to feed the children.......


Here are the sobering statistics: More than 12.6 million children were at risk of hunger at some point last year. That's 17.2% of all children, or one in six. Among them are:

5.1 million kids -43.6%-living at or below the poverty threshold.

5.9 million kids living with a married couple.

5.8 million kids -one-third-who live in single-woman households .

5.3 million Caucasian kids-1.4 million or more than any other racial group.

10.6 million kids living within metro areas-5 times the number living outside metro areas.

5.2 million in the South-more than in any other region of the country.

The report said 6.7 million people were defined as having "very low food security" because they regularly lacked sufficient to eat. Among them, 96% reported that the food they bought did not last until they had money to buy more. Nearly all said they could not afford to eat balanced meals. Although few reported that this was a permanent situation throughout the year, 88% said it had occurred in three or more months.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Feb 10 - 02:05 AM

Now here is another hate filled rant from Bobert, centered around a typical Bobert "fact" that he cannot back up execpt with more rhetoric and ad hominem attacks:

"I hate it that a Tea Party gun-nut can show up at a ralley where the president is with an AK-47 strapped to his leg"

How does one strap an AK-47 to their leg?

Care to flesh out your hallucination with something to support your "fact"?

Or will it be the usual weaseling out?

I think this urban myth falls into same category as the gold plated M-16 given to Saddam Husein, hatched on Bobert's favorite left wing hate blogs.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Feb 10 - 07:08 AM

That was figurative, Sawz, and you know it... Wheteher it was an AK47 or another kinda gun isn't the point... But, as per usual, you'd rather attack the details rather than the sentiment of the post...

Okay, Big Shot... What kinda gun was it??? You saw the picture just like everyone else... You also saw the sign that the man was carrying that suggested some sort of removal of leaders.... You know, that tree slogan...

The real weaselin' here is you and yer little juvinilistic tactics of attackin' the deatils rather than the real isssues... I mean, even yer fellow righties ain't comin' in here with posts which I guess has alot to do with yer piss-poor behavior...

The M-16, was also figurative... The fact is that the Donnie Rumsfeld did take gifts to Saddam... Whetehr it was a gold plated M-16 or a gold plated sowrd is not the issue...

How about gettin' with the discussion, Sawz, and leave yer annoying gnat behavior alone... It's terribly childish and it waters down what ever it is you are trying to say...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Feb 10 - 07:11 AM

Bobert,

"I mean, even yer fellow righties ain't comin' in here with posts which I guess has alot to do with yer piss-poor behavior...
"

No, it has more to do with the assumption you make that all conservatives are racist KKK members.



Keep informing us of the facts, ubermensch.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Feb 10 - 07:18 AM

Bobert,

By YOUR standard, I can now start a thread

"bs: Murderer/Obama supporters"

Re the shooter at U of A. :"A family source said Bishop, a mother of four children - the youngest a third-grade boy - was a far-left political extremist who was "obsessed" with President Obama to the point of being off-putting."

That describes a number of Obama supporters, here and other places.


But I have a little more understanding of facts and logical processes than you seem to demonstrate.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Feb 10 - 09:17 AM

all conservatives are racist KKK members.

No, not all.

But a substantial number of BuShite Neo-Conservatives ARE. And that's way too many.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Feb 10 - 09:20 AM

But a substantial number of Liberal activists ARE murderers, or at least attempt to be. And that's way too many.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 17 Feb 10 - 11:51 AM

Yes, because it was Liberal activists who wore t-shirts saying democracy needed to be watered with blood. Oh wait. Anyway it's Liberal activists who took guns to town meetings. Oh wait.

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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Feb 10 - 03:17 PM

"That was figurative, Sawz, and you know it"

That was another Bobert fact same as

"The term r*****k does not specifically refere to anyone's race"

Here is some advice from the Ol' Wesginny changed heart KKKr that you should heed:
"My old mom told me, 'Robert, you can't go to heaven if you hate anybody"

Now as to the real issues, assuming you believe in the rule of law with the exception of dope and 'shine is that the guy with that big mean nasty old gun that gets you all scared shitless, had all the permits required and Arizona is an open carry state. Otherwise the Secret Service would have been on him like a duck on a junebug.

Plus, with you being a constitution thumper and all, it is right there in the right to bear arms clause.

Personally I would rather have the guns visible, big, nasty and easy to see rather than the weaselly concealed guns like John Wilkes Booth, the hateful Democrat, used.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 17 Feb 10 - 03:20 PM

Interesting you should demonize someone whose most famous statement was "Sic semper tyrranis" and who was promoting the principles of smaller government, less Federalism, and more States' Rights. Not a defense of Booth, but you forget how much the poles of American policy have switched places in the spectrum since Lincoln's day.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Riginslinger
Date: 17 Feb 10 - 04:07 PM

There's a problem in taking issues and stacking them up on one side or the other. That's probably why such a huge number of voters are registering independent.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Feb 10 - 05:21 PM

Interesting how Amos should point out his tortuous attempts at changing the bad to the good and the good to the bad by simply changing his standards.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 17 Feb 10 - 05:38 PM

What? As usual, Zzzz, you make no sense at all.

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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Feb 10 - 06:40 PM

First of all, Sawz, "redneck" refers to a minority segment of the white race... Not the entire white race... I don't refer to whites as rednecks when I am talkin' about, ahhhhh, white friigin' people... That is one place that you are seriously confused... Maybe you need to take this and run this post off and go talk with a college professor who teaches race studies and ask them... Maybe they can get to to grasp this simple concept but I doubt it 'cuase you have proven to be a ve4ry slow learner...

As fir hatin' folks, Sawz... You got that one wrong, too... I hate the sins but not the sinners...

As for yer 2nd ammendment??? Once again you pay attention only to the second half of it because if taken with the first half it doesn't fit you little narrow minded agenda...

As for Booth??? I think Amos stated it correctly... The ideologies of the parties have swithced over the years... Don't believe be... Enroll in American History 201 and, more importantly American History 202 and amybe you'll learn a little about the history of the country in which you live... That would be novel, indeed... BTW, I don't claim to be the greatest historian that ever lived but History was my 2nd major and I was certified to teach it when I graduated with my 1st degree so I do have a workin' knowledge of things that have occured in this country...

As for guns, Part 2... I agree... Outlaw handguns and make folks carry the big heaters...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 17 Feb 10 - 06:45 PM

Sawz:

I did no such thing, sir, and your innuendoes are as asinine as they are groundless.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Feb 10 - 10:57 PM

So Amos says Booth was not hateful.

"The ideologies of the parties have swithced over the years"

Beginning when the democrats couldn't hold back civil rights any longer. Then the great flip flop occurred when they found out they needed those votes.

Who said "I'll have those n*****s voting Democratic for the next 200 years" ?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 17 Feb 10 - 11:45 PM

You are a flailing mass off ill-comprehension, Sawz. I never said Booth was not hateful--or that he was hateful. I simply said that he was in favor of many of the same policies you and yours seem to endorse.

In fact I said at the time that this observation was NO defense of Booth, but you chose to blank that bit out, I gues.

Wake up.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 12:41 AM

"What do you mean seem to endorse" You can claim anything you want but it is nOt automaticaly true because you claimed it.

You seem to endorse Booth and his famous "Sic semper tyranis" which actually goes back to Caesar's time.

He killed the person that ended slavery. Now you claim others twist things around while you claim the sides have swapped.

Now think up some big words that you think will change the facts into your fiction.

Bobert claims "R*****k" does not refer to a race and then he says it refers to a segment of a race. If it denotes people of a certain race, it is racial.

Does the term "W***e N****r" refer to an entire race? If not I guess it is not racial or offensive and socially acceptable.

How about "P**r W***e T***h" or "T****er T**sh"?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 08:06 AM

In the hood there is the term "gang bangers", Sawz, that refers mostly to black memebers of street gangs...

Now if I were to use the term "gang bangers" in place of the term "black folk" as if the two were interchangable then maybe you'd have something here... But I don't...

Amos is right, mah man... You are flailing here...

I suggested that you run this thread off and take it to a college professor who teaches race studies... Just about every decent sized college or university has such a course... Some have many classes that deal with race... Have a professor read what I have written and then maybe they can better explain to you the difference between "redneck" and "nigger".... Maybe no sssin' on you are hell-bent on playin' your little twisted race card which, BTW, is twisted well beyond any academic studies on race...

Let me put it another way... You don't know shit about what you are talkin' about here... You are in way over yer head... Perhaps that is why you are flailin', I donno... I suggestee a while back that to pick something that you have some knowledge about to argue over but, no, you picked somethinng that you thought you could just twist the bullshit right and make chicken salad outta chicken shit...

But don't belive me.... Run the thread off and go get some eductaion...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 02:34 PM

I see not a single answer from Bobert, just more down talking.

"One of the most notable filibusters of the 1960s occurred when when southern Democratic Senators attempted, unsuccessfully, to block the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by making a filibuster that lasted for 75 hours, which included a 14 hour and 13 minute address by Robert Byrd (D-WV)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 03:10 PM

National Affairs: The Southern Manifesto>

Time Magazine Mar. 26, 1956

On the floor of the U.S. Senate last week, Georgia's Walter F. George read a manifesto signed by 82 Southern Representatives and 19 Southern Senators. It pledged the signers to exert "all lawful means" toward reversing the Supreme Court's desegregation decision, and it appealed to Southerners "to scrupulously refrain from disorder and lawless acts."

The idea for a Southern manifesto was conceived by South Carolina's Senator Strom Thurmond, who enlisted the powerful aid of Virginia's Senator Harry Byrd. At a caucus of Southern Senators, Thurmond produced mimeographed copies of his own arm-waving call for nullification. The caucus pushed Thurmond aside, ordered the paper rewritten by more temperate Senators. The final version was written mostly by Georgia's Senator Richard Russell, with amendments by Florida's Spessard Holland and Texas' Price Daniel and polishing by Arkansas' highly polished J. William Fulbright, a liberal hero. At that point Strom Thurmond elbowed his way back onto the scene, posed for photographers dictating the final draft—with which he had nothing to do—to his wife seated at a typewriter.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 03:44 PM

The record for the longest individual speech goes to South Carolina's J. Strom Thurmond who filibustered for 24 hours and 18 minutes against the Civil Rights Act of 1957.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Filibuster_Cloture.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 04:28 PM

Sawz:

You produce a really admirable volume of tangential irrelevance in your diligent pursuit of tangential irrelevance.

If you were to try to make a short, articulate statement of your point when you flood the Cat with these pieces, it might be helpful. Otherwise, it is easy for a reader to get the impression that you are wholly incomprehensible.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 04:56 PM

Whatever Amos. I presume I still have the same rights that you do.

You can disprove anything you want or as an alternative to facts you can use rhetoric, bloviation, Ad Hominem attacks, the tired dogeared worn out of context dodge as you desire.

You can't even confirm that John Wilkes Booth was hateful or not.

Was he in favor of slavery or not?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 05:09 PM

Another Bobert "fact" is born:

"The fact that George Bush created quite alot of deficits that would kick in during the next president's term doesn't stop them from their daily pounding away at Obama as a "big spender Democrat"

Care to document that?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh Where is the TARP money that is being repaid with interest going Bobert?

It is characterized by you as "He gave money to the banks". However if you were knowledgeable in the matter you would know it was a loan to the banks to be repaid with interest to the Treasury to bring down the national debt.

Is it going back to the Treasury Bobert? If not why?

Demonstrate that "eductaion" that you say you have and you claim I need.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 05:33 PM

You can't stay on one thing longer than a couple posts and then it's off to another... I'd think ADD but it isn't that at all... It's that when you feel cornered you change the subject...

You want me to demonstrate the education that (I) say (I) have that (you need)??? Tell ya' what, pal.... When you have made the effort to get your right winged head out of yer quite ignorant poeterior and have made some effort to meet with a professor or assitant professor of racial studies about yer assertions here that I have used "hate speech" then maybe we can move down the rest of yer list of particulars but...

...until then, I'll just assume that you think you know everything there is that you need to know and have no use for further education...

I mean, it's not an unreasonable request on my part...

But for the record, I know all about the Dixiecrats and the Byrd Machine... No story there that any casual historian doesn't know...

Do you know that Lyndon Johnson said that by pushing his former Comgressional buddies that the Democratic Party would suffer for decades to come for having done so??? Nah, I reckon that don't mean nuthin' to you, either...

Let us know how your visit with the professor goes... Be sure to take the entire thread... Okay??? Oh, and be sure that whomever you meet with is agreeable to gettin' a phone call from me, also, por favor...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:27 PM

Was [John Wilkes Booth] in favor of slavery or not?

Most defininitely pro-slavery & a Confederate sympathizer.

His response to Lincoln's speech from the second-storey window of the White House on receiving news of Lee's surrender was:
"That means nigger citizenship. That is the last speech he will ever make. By God, I'll put him through".

Hateful enuf fer ya?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:33 PM

There ain't enough hate in the world for this brand of right wing haters, Greg... They are eat up with it... They are so consumed with hate that many would love nothin' more than to see the United Sates become a "failed state" because of their hatred of a black president...

Sad, but true... But then when they are confronted with that they have the balls to call the folks who call them "the bigots" and "the haters"... What we have is a nation that is about to come apart becasue of the right wing demanding that "their country" be returned to them??? LIke why do they think it's theirs??? Because they say so???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:34 PM

Is this a racist remark?

"So ya'll righties want to see the country sink further in the recession to get the "n***a" out???"


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 10:30 PM

Well, there's hate enough to go around, but it seems to get a whole lot worse in times of recession.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 08:16 AM

Nuthin' racist about it... Like I said, Sawz... Have a college professor who teaches "race studies" read this ***entire*** thread so that the context isn't missed and have that professor try explain it to you...

Seems that me tryin' to expalin it to you is like tryin' to get the square peg thru the round hole... You just don't have the background or the inclination to understand...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 11:18 AM

Are college professors a terrorist group?

Dr. Amy Bishop was taken into custody outside the Shelby Center for Science and Technology on the UAH campus Friday afternoon. She is charged with capital murder.

She is accused of shooting and killing three biology faculty members in a third floor conference room during a faculty meeting, and wounding three others. The shooting happened around 3:57PM CST. Dr. Bishop was arrested without incident approximately 10 minutes later. The 40-year-old woman joined the UAH faculty in 2003 after graduating from Harvard with a genetics degree in 1993.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 11:59 AM

"Labeling political advocacy as 'terrorist activity' is a threat to legitimate dissent which has never been considered a crime in this country," said Kary Moss, Executive Director of the ACLU of Michigan.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 12:20 PM

Sawz,

You don't think that Bobert considers ANY disagreement with his views to be "legitimate dissent", do you?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,David E.
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 12:39 PM

Well...I'm thinking Bobert will be going over the 18,000 posts mark before the weekend is over.

David E.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 12:54 PM

Well, Amos stands at 54,822 posts and no end in sight. 31 more Amos posts yesterday.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 12:57 PM

Bobert? Sure he does. He's willing to exchange points of view. What he thinks is beyond the pale is histrionic mugwumpery of the sort that Sawz&Co specialize in.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,infowars.com
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 01:48 PM

Obama has Bill Ayers as an advisor. Ayers said race war had to be promoted in America. That was back when the SDS was breaking up. I can't recall any other presidential advisor advocating race war. Obama has an advisor who advocates race war.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:31 PM

Are moonshiners members of the KKK terrorist organization?

East Texas Man Arrested for Making Moonshine

Angelina County deputies along with agents with the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission arrested an East Texas man Friday on charges relating to the manufacturing and selling of "moonshine".

Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission agent Ron Clinton, along with his boss, Jeff Taylor, displayed what was confiscated from the residence of Charles Rash in the Redland community of Angelina County.

"Last week, a subject made contact with me and wished to basically just tell us a story of what he believed was an illegal moonshine operation going on in the county. I guess for no other reason he felt like that the underage population in the county, or some of them may have been buying moonshine from this subject." said agent Clinton.

Not only were quarts and quarts of homemade alcohol found.. which allegedly sold for thirty dollars a quart, a small arsenal of rifles, shotguns and pistols were also discovered, along with thousands of rounds of ammunition.

"When we arrived to execute the search warrant and arrest warrant, Mr. Rash attempted to flee the scene. He had to be subdued by offers that were there to execute the search warrant."

But maybe the most surprising find had nothing to do with guns or alcohol. There was a lot of Ku Klux Klan paraphernalia in the home, including patches, bumper stickers, a donation jar, and an application.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 05:59 PM

What's your point, Sozz? There was a moonshiner who was also either a KKK member or afficionado. SO? Will it offend you if we don't die of shock?

O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 06:19 PM

This is becomin' really funny!!!

It's obvious that Sawz is one the defensive here with his sarcasim about this and thet being terrorists or hate groups... That way he really doesn't have to look at the *real* situation that is occuring in the Tea Party... There is a reason why when you look at the pictures of these Tea Party rallies that 99% of the folks are whiter than a Sears washer... That oughtta say somethin'... Maybe the same somethin' that explains why black folks didn't join the Klan... Just a wild supposition... lol...

As for me gojng over my 18,000 posts??? Why would I do that... I've got my fan club to do that and now and then come up with a "But you said___________________"... Hey, I'll satnd behind everything I've written here so I don't need to revisit any of my posts... Yeah, I've had a couple of fans take stuff outta context and I've had to revisit to see just what they were up to but the body of my writing her in Mudville I stand behind 100%... Not 99.9%...

BTW, I got a line on some real fine shine... $25 for 2 litres!!! Hey, that is cheap fir good shine... I reckon I'll get me 4 litres and hide it from the P-Vine who can smell good shine thru a safe's door... I mean, bless here heart... She is good as gold and I don't deserve such a wonderful women but ya gotta hide the shine real good 'er she'll get into it... The last bottle I got was hid way back in the bottom shelf of the refrig... So I go to get me a little shot of it and it's half gone... "Hey, Baby, you been hittin' my shine?"

"Well, I mighta had one sip..."

One sip, my boney hillbilly butt!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 06:23 PM

...and 200...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 09:34 PM

Are dope dealers a KKK terrorist group?

KKK Leader Ran Group With Drug Money

A Ku Klux Klan leader was arrested on charges of selling marijuana and using proceeds of drug sales to help operate a faction of the white supremacist order, authorities said Wednesday. A spokesman for the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said Gregory Eugene Walker, identified as the leader of the Southern White Knights, was accused of selling 5 pounds of marijuana and methamphetamine to an undercover agent beginning in February. Walker, 35, also was accused of selling an AK-47 semiautomatic rifle and a sawed-off 12-gauge shotgun.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 09:51 PM

What does the Bobert fan club say about this remark:

"So ya'll righties want to see the country sink further in the recession to get the "ni**a" out???"

Noun, ni**a (ethnic slur) extremely offensive name for a Black person.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 07:42 AM

That was written exactly the way that alot of peope are sayin' it, Sawz... I think it is imporatnt, while you righties here who are far removed from the real world, righteously pound away on me for reportined what is being said in the real world...

I stop in this joint every morning because they have the Washington Post... It is a little redneck general store where country folks hang out and BS about this and that... You prolly would be sacred to go in there yerself, Sawz, but everyone in there is frioendly to me 'cause most have heard me play music here or there and I have taken it upon myself to learn everyone's name and try to a good neighbor and all that... So I am thought of as, well, not one of the boys but someoene who they don't have to say "Here comes _________ so wacth yer language...

So, yeah, I do hear what Redneck Nation is sayin'... You prolly don't 'cause, like I said, you prolly be scared to death to go in there and mix it up with these folks...

So when I talk about the manner in which folks are talkin' I am talkin' from the experience of hearing "nigger" as if it wasn'ty an off-limits word... So for me to say what alot of righties are thinkin' ain't racistt on ****my**** part.... It's reporting the racism that is deeply seated in ****ya'll's**** part...

But you won't understand that either... Be sure to run this post off as well when you go to see the professor of "race studies", will ya???

Ya' know, Sawz... Einstien said that a problem cannot be solved from the same consciousness that created it... I think it would do you a world of good to do exactly what I've said... Maybe even audit a course on "race"... Right now you sound like one of those folks who wouldn't ride in cars becuase the grand-daddy said that man was not intended to ride in cars... In other words... Eat up with ignornace!!!

No offense intended... Just the way it is... Yeah, get your ignorant self into some academic setting that will push yer brain outta the totally "reactioonary" (knee-jerk) cycle that you are stuck in...

Square business (might have to have that professor expalin that term also...)...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 08:50 AM

'"So ya'll righties want to see the country sink further in the recession to get the "ni**a" out???"'

               You probably won't get them out--they belong here, so where would they go? But it is working to get the illegal aliens out, and they're simply going home, where they belong.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 10:02 AM

Bobert is constantly passing responsibility for racist remarks to other people.

Seems to me that the person that made the ni**a remark is calling Obama a ni**a.

I think that is offensive. Regardless of his skin color, he is the president, duly elected by the people.

Also he is saying anybody that is unsatisfied with Obama's performance is doing so because they are "whitey" and therefore a white racist.

Please analyze this Bobert:

"I do not regard the N***o as my equal, and positively deny that he is my brother, or any kin to me whatever"


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 10:42 AM

"That was written exactly the way that alot of peope are sayin' it, Sawz"

Where?

Is this a racist remark? "We, frankly, are tired of carrying yer r*****k asses"


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 08:11 PM

Like I said, Sawz... You are an ignorant white man who is clueless about race... I've suggested that it would be to your benefit to have a professor in "race studies" examine this thread and give you their un-biased read on it but, no... You'd rather just stay ignorant and call me a racist???

Maybe they can explain to you the difference between "redneck" and "nigger" since you seem clueless...

Here's my question for you Sawz: Do you enjoy being ignorant???

Here's my next question fir you: "If you were sick would you go to see a doctor???

Here's my last question fir you: "If you would go to see a doctor if you were sick then why wouldn't you go see a college professor if you thought you might be ignorant???"

Like what's the big fear here, Sawz??? Afraid that I might be right??? Horrors, man, horrors!!! That would be worse than, ahhhhhh, worse than anything...

You are quickly becoming just another troll here... You know what trolls are, don'tcha??? They're just little people with little minds who use the internet as a forum to be obnoxious and disruptive??? Why??? Different reason but bottom line, there comes a point where they are not willin' to do anything but troll more... They are not willing to learn new stuff... Or explore possibilities... They just sit in their armore in front of their computer and pound out trollism...

Hey, I am very serious, Sawz.... You say yer wife is a teacher??? I'm sure that she knows someone who could find you a reputable professor that teaches a course on "race"... NO, not a Bob Jones U professor who is also a member of the local Klan... But a real professor...

Waht are you afraid of, man??? The truth??? Enlightenment??? Learning that it's perfectly okay to have a black president???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 10:12 PM

"Do you enjoy being ignorant???" Complex question and logical fallacy

"If you were sick would you go to see a doctor???" Simple question. Answer: Yes

"If you would go to see a doctor if you were sick then why wouldn't you go see a college professor if you thought you might be ignorant???"
Complex question and logical fallacy.

Philosophy 103: Introduction to Logic philosophy.lander.edu

Complex Question

Abstract: The fallacy of complex question is discussed, and several typical examples are presented.

               
I. Complex Question: the fallacy of phrasing a question that, by the way it is worded, assumes something not contextually granted, assumes something not true, or assumes a false dichotomy. To be a fallacy, and not just a rhetorical technique, the conclusion (usually the answer to the question) must be present either implicitly or explicitly.
   1. The fallacy of complex question is usually (but not always) in the form or a question. Usually it's just the fallacy of giving a question that assumes something not generally granted or given unto evidence.
   2. If an argument is present, the question, itself, must be considered as a statement, i.e., it implicitly has a truth value.
   3. The informal structure of the fallacy is usually similar to the following:
      How (or why) is statement p true (or false)?
      Statement p is true (or false).
   4. The problems associated with both the fallacy and the rhetorical techniques of complex question are involved with "dividing the question" in law or rules of order. This kind of presupposition is also used in arguments for a "line-item veto."
   5. Occasionally, the fallacy of complex question is simply an unwarranted assumption in an argument and the passage is not presented as a question.

II. The assumption or presupposition to a complex question can only be known from the context. Not all cases where something not generally granted is assumed are fallacious because not all such passages involve arguments.
   1. E.g., a prosecutor demands from a defendant, "Did you commit the murder before or after you bought the soft drink?"
      No argument is being given, so no fallacy occurs. Obviously, the whole sense of the question changes if the prosecutor is asking the question just after the defendant confessed to the murder.
   2. The classic question, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" would not be a fallacy unless explicitly or implicitly the speaker is assuming without evidence that you beat your wife, and this is the very point he wishes to draw as a conclusion. It's difficult to construct this example in such a way that a fallacy, instead of a rhetorical technique, occurs.
   3. Consider what is being assumed in the following question: "What church do you and your husband attend?" The main assumptions can be unpacked as follows.
         1. You attend church.
         2. You have a family.
         3. Your family attends church.
         4. You and your family attend the same church.
III. Examples of complex question:
      "If a choice must be made, I'll adopt God's nonexistence as a working assumption. If I am mistaken, I hope He is not offended by my demand for evidence. (Many believers seem to think that God is offended by atheists. Is he overly proud or merely insecure?) Kent Bach, Exit-Existentialism, 14.
      How can we save our country from the bureaucratic dictatorship, the corruption, and the creeping socialism of the present administration? Only one way: vote Independent.
      "Look very closely. You will see that no person and no circumstance can prevent you from becoming a self-understanding man or woman. Who is stopping you at this very moment? No one." Vernon Howard, The Mystic Path of Cosmic Power (New Life Foundation, 1999), 64.
      The students bring not only money but also the air of sophistication and cosmopolitanism that mark so many of New England villages. How else to explain the prosperity of Hadje's Persian Restaurant out on Rout 9 between the cornfields and the roadside tomato stands, or the shop clerks' discussion Thoreau over tables of Shetland sweaters?" New York Times, Travel Section.
      The following passage on the problem of redistribution is discussing whether people should be paid on how hard they try, rather than rewarding those with natural ability.
      ""How hard you're willing to work is powerfully influenced by how much skill nature has given you and thus how much chance you have of achieving a satisfying success. The case for redistribution is not without its troubles: Anyone who says that what nature has given you has nothing to do with what you should be allowed to keep must ultimately answer questions like why couples who produce beautiful children shouldn't be made to give some of them to parents who can only turn out ugly ducklings." "Up Against the Wall," Wall St. Journal (06.18.79), 22.

IV. Nonfallacious examples of complex question are usually rhetorical techniques, as explained above. If a question's presuppositions are legitimately assumed by all parties, and the presuppositions are all relevant, then no fallacy has been committed.
   Check this distinction with the following examples. Are there any fallacies in the following passages?
   1. "An almost equally exasperating aspect of the autonomy struggle is the toddler's inability to make choices. The parent asks whether the child wants a cookie or a lollipop. First the child says, 'Cookie,' but as soon as he gets the cookie, he wants a lollipop. The parent patiently takes away the cookie and gives the toddler a lollipop, but now the child wants the cookie again. The problem is that the child wants the right to choose, but does not want to make a choice. From the child's point of view, he does not have a choice unless he can choose them both." (Source misplaced.)
   2. "Shoppers at F.W. Woolworth Co.'s stores might detect one means of a company minimizing its borrowing needs. According to Ellis Smith, executive vice president of finance, the company 'hardly acknowledges' it own charge system. 'The first question our people are instructed to ask is, 'Is the purchase case?' If it isn't, the second question is "Is this Visa or Master Charge'" Wall Street Journal (02.25.80), 1.      
   3. "There is a tale, probably apocryphal, told of that notoriously merry monarch Charles II. There was a dinner to commemorate the foundation of the Royal Society. At the end of the evening, 'with the peculiar gravity of countenance which he usually wore on such occasions," he put a challenge to the Fellows. 'Suppose two pails of water were fixed in two different scales that were equally poised, and which weighted equally alike, and that two live bream, or small fish, were put into either of these pails.' he wanted to know the reason why that pail, with such additions should not weigh more than the other pail which stood against it. Many suggested possible explanations, and argued for their own suggestions with more or less vigour. But at last one who perhaps remembered that the motto of that great society is 'Nullium in verba' (Take no man's word for it!) denied the assumption: "It would weigh more." The King was delighted: 'Odds fish, brother, you are in the right.'" I. D'Israeli, The Quarrels of Authors (London: John Murray, 1814), 341.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 08:51 AM

In other words, you have no interest in expanding your horizons...

I see...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 04:43 PM

Bobert: To expand ones horizons they need to get beyond logical fallacies like complex questions, rhetorical questions and ad hominem attacks.

I believe you are not interested in facts but general ideas about how you think things "should" be. If they are not that way it is because someone is preventing them from being that way and you proceed to find someone to blame it on.

Then if someone else thinks things should be another way that is different from your way, you attack them.

The answer to getting along peacefully in the world is to take things the way they are, deal with it and show mutual respect for people that think differently.

Make whatever improvements along the way but don't force your ideas on others like some kind of missionary who knows the only true way that things should be.

You call rich people crooks that stole their money from poor people. Boss Hoggs I think.

Eg Bill Gates. This guy has given more money away than you could ever count.

Ever hear of Pro Mujer? In short they make micro loans to latin american women so they can start an enterprise to make money of their own instead of a hand out that leaves people dependent on handouts.

Financial Access Initiative
    A $5 million grant allows Financial Access Initiative to do field research and answer important questions about micro finance and financial access in impoverished countries around the world.

Pro Mujer
    A $3.1 million grant to Pro Mujer, a leading microfinance network in Latin America, and a pioneer at combining financial services with healthcare for the poorest women entrepreneurs. The five-year grant will be used to research new opportunities for serving the very poorest segment of the Latin American microfinance market.

Grameen Foundation
    A $1.5 million grant allows Grameen Foundation to make more microloans, to support Grameen's goal of helping five million additional families and successfully freeing 50 percent of those families from poverty within five years.

Rice Research
    Between November 2007 and October 2010, the gates foundation will offer $19.9 million to the International Rice Research Institution. The aid is intended to support the increasing demand the world has placed on rice. The Bill and Melinda Gates foundation claims To keep up with worldwide demand, the production of rice will have to increase by about 70 percent in the next two decades. Yielding higher grade crops will ensure local farmers get the best return out of their crop annually and be able to offer greater quantities.

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation today announced a $306 million package of agricultural development grants designed to boost the yields and incomes of millions of small farmers in Africa and other parts of the developing world so they can lift themselves and their families out of hunger and poverty.


And that is a tiny fraction of what they have given away. Would you rather that he never made any money and never donated any of it?

Ever heard if Heifer International? In short they give two breeder animals to a poor family with only the stipulation that they eventually donate two animals to someone else.

Ever see those people going to a remote village and digging a new well or cleaning up, covering and putting a pump the existing well so they can have clean water?

Ever see those people carrying bags ot Sakrete and a mold on donkey back to remote villages in Africa to make a peanut sheller so they can cooperatively make a product and trade it or sell it? The Full Belly Project?

I believe this is the way to end poverty and suffering in the world.

All this blood in the streets and buy guns and claiming somebody is a terrorist and racist is nothing but hate and it will only produce more hate. Why try to divide people into groups to oppose another group which will end up nullifying anything good that might have been done.

Try to find what is right in the world and improve on that instead of adding fuel to the fire.

I think part of the responsibility for the current hate and divisiveness is modern communication, mass media, the internet, cable news etc. They instigate. They try to divide people into groups that oppose one another so they can profit from it. It is just a living to them. Politicians do the same thing to get elected. People just have to learn to look beyond all that antagonistic crap and decide for them selves what is right and wrong.

I watch Aljazeera, Euro News, Russia Today, French news, world news and 5 others to get away from the US mainstream media for a different perspective. It is amazing how unbiased they are. When they reported that plane crash they did not even mention terrorism except one cop in Texas saying it was not terrorism.

I am trying not to be hateful or condescending. You can disagree if you want but I don't think you will accomplish anything positive by stirring up animosity.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 07:46 PM

Animosity??? Strange comin' from you, Saws...

As for our differences... It's not a matter of opinion one one side has a dog in the race... You apparently have a dog in the race or you would not be so hell-bent on you carte blanche support of a corporate run country... I don't think there is one policy that the corportists advocate that you have broken with... That's not an attack... Just an observation... Where's the free thinking there when you side with the Big Boys 100% of the time.... That is what the brownshirts did... That's the problem I have with your thinking... It lacks the think part... You are a good foot souldier but, no offense, you seem to lack an ability to do anything but sing the company fight song...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 08:18 PM

you seem to lack an ability to do anything but sing the company fight song...

Not entirely true. He also has the ability to cut and paste copious amounts of text. Of questionable relevancy, granted.

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 10:55 PM

Bobert: You automatically think I have a dog in the race. I don't.

It is from the heart. But that is not what you want to hear. All you want is a fight and you accuse others of singing a fight song.

With the exception of the dope smoking, 'shine guzzling and guitar pickin, I am doing almost the exact same thing you are to make a living.

If you think that is not the truth, what do you think I do?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Feb 10 - 07:05 AM

Bobert,

"Where's the free thinking there when you side with the Big Boys 100% of the time...."

One has to consider that sometiumes they are right. It is best to look at the facts, NOT who is stating them. Determine if they are valid BEFORE you decide they are not what you want to hear.


Where's the free thinking there when you side AGAINST the Big Boys 100% of the time?




Sawz,


Excellent post on 21 Feb 10 - 04:43 PM.

IMO, many of us here have the same goals- some just do not bother looking at reality before telling the rest of us how to reach those goals. Bobert has good intentions, even with his flawed logic- But the path he advocates is one that will not lead where he wants to go.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Feb 10 - 08:08 AM

Well, bb, we've done it the Big Boy's way for the last 30 years and look where it has gotten US??? In the words of Albert Einstien, "Repeating a behavior expecting different results is insanity", in the words of Waylon Jennings, "We need a change", in the words of Henry Ford, "If I don't pay my workers a living wage then they won't be able to buy my cars", in the words of Lyndon Johnson, "Don't spit in the soup, we've all got to eat" and in the words of Bobert, "Bite me"... Okay, the last one was jus' funnin' but the others have alot to do with 30 years of failed economic policy... That's what it boils down to here... A flawed economic policy that depends on the the free market (which it isn't), that is allowed to makes the laws that govern it (which they do) to, ahhhhh, be all benevolent in policing itself (which it won't do)...


And as fir you Sawz, the other loyal member of mt fan club... You criticize me for ad hominean but never miss an opportunity to use either my occasional use of pot or my occasional shot of moonshine as some kinda "proof" that I must be incorrect in my thinking??? Hmmmmmm??? I guess that's not ad hominean???

(Well, it would be, Boberdz, if it was the other way around, ya see???)

Well, no... I don't see...

As for the Big Boy's being right sometimes??? Geeze, bruce, that that mean that they aren't right the other times??? If so, please elaborate where you see that the corpoartions or their power needs to be reeled in...

Now I am off to plow mud... I reckon that will be used in the future that I am on the wrong side of the issues???

(Well, Ralph... OL' Boberdz ain't nuthin' but a pot headed mud-plower an' you know how them folks is???)

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 11:20 AM

Well Bobert you seem to use your use of pot and moonshine as some sort of badge of honor when in fact it is illegal. How can you go around and speak about others not following the rule of law when you don't?

#1 Nobody "needs" pot. Sure it's a blast. It might even enhance one's creativity but so far it is illegal. What has it done for countries where it is legal? Did the dealers go out of business? Pot dealers just move to a more serious, dangerous and additive illegal drug.

#2 Nobody really needs alcohol but at least it is legal.

Furthermore there is a question about what is in the 'shine, Isn't it better to use something that you know is free of lead or methanol? What does lead do to your brain? Maybe you know exactly how yours is made but how about the rest? It seems like playing Russian Roulette to me.

Where does the taxes paid on the legal booze go? Isn't part of it going to the same social programs you support? Isn't buying untaxed alcohol denying funding for those programs? Isn't buying and making moonshine a protest against taxes?

I have tried pot and decided against it. It altered my thinking too much.

I tried moonshine. It tasted exactly like tequila. I decided it was not worth the risk of having contaminants when I can go down to the 7/11 and get the legal and safe product.

Maybe I am taking a holier than thou stance but at least I am more justified than someone that uses illegal alcohol and pot.

This ain't no crusade or condemnation of anybody. It is just my logical conclusions and why I disagree with people that condone Pot and 'Shine.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 11:13 PM

"I hate it that 1 in 5 children go hungry at night"

Barrak Obama.com:

Eliminate Child Hunger by 2015: According to the Department of Agriculture, in 2006, 430,000 children in the United States experienced hunger. Further, 1 in 8 Americans and 1 in 6 children lives in a household that is food insecure -- an Unacceptable situation.

According to the US Census Bureau July 2006 estimate there were 73,735,562 people in the US under 18. That works out to 1 in child in 172 children experienced hunger.

Is America Struggling with Hunger?

Wednesday, October 28, 2009 by Jeremie T.A. Rostan agrege de philosophie, teaches philosophy and economics in San Francisco, California.

"One in eight Americans is struggling with hunger."

If you haven't heard that line, then you must not have a TV. And if you haven't read it, even if you can't be bothered to open a newspaper, then you must live in some very, very, remote part of the country.

"One in eight Americans is struggling with hunger." Everybody knows that. And everybody is talking about it. That statistic caught on like wildfire, striking everyone with a feeling of collective emergency.

My reaction was quite different; not because I don't care about the satisfaction of my neighbors' primary needs, but only because I am more suspicious than sensitive.

One in eight, I thought, that's 12.5 percent a huge proportion. That's thirty-seven million, five hundred thousand people, a huge number incredible, really. I said to myself, how can it be that so many Americans struggle with hunger, and yet I see so little of it?

So I did what few people do: I checked. Where does that "one in eight" come from? And what does it mean?

The now-famous statistic comes from the annual Food Security Survey (FSS) of the United States Department of Agriculture. The first thing to point out is that this level of hunger is not new: contrary to what one may infer from the current campaign, the recent economic crisis has little to do with it. In fact, while food insecurity in America has increased slightly under recent economic conditions, it has been more or less stable for the last 15 years, affecting around 11 percent of households.

Another interesting tidbit of information is that until 2005, the FSS divided food insecurity into "food insecurity without hunger" and "food insecurity with hunger." It then replaced those labels, without any change in their statistical definition, with "low food security" and "very low food security," respectively. Thus, the famous "one-in-eight" hungry Americans include all Americans living in households that, until 2005, were described as food insecure, but without hunger.

So, just how many Americans do face hunger? Well, households with "very low food security" have represented a consistent third of all food-insecure households in past years around 4 percent of total households...... More Here


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 08:48 AM

No one needs alot of stuff, Sawz...

Rich people don't need 50 foot boats and Leer jets... They don't need 20 bedroom houses... The don't need to have 80 of the wealth...

As for food, there is a reason why we have so much obesity in the poorer communities... Its two fold... First, we aren't educatin' people correctly becuase the processed food lobby doesn't want us to and more importantly, nutritious, healthy foods are more expensive...

As for your stats??? They are junk... They are accumulated and packeged for *consumption* by the right wing for the right wing... Yeah, like I have pointed out, the right wing has loads of money to hire lots of fact-twistin statisticans... The other side??? No much money, at all... So when you Google "1 in 5 Kids Hungry" you will find a few poorly funded organization who are out there "in the community" trying to make a point against a bucnh of very well paid fact-twistin' statisticans who have never ever been in those communities.... Yet they sit behind their little computers all day and spew out reems and reeam of dis-information from whatever sources they can find, which BTW, ofetn sound knowledgeable like "Americans for Healthy Nutritition" or "Feed the Hungry"
(both ficticious) that are, in fact, other rightie-sites...

I mean, what a joke... All one reqally has to do is go to the inner-city, walk into just about any ***public*** school and talk with any teacher in the hall... They know the deal...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 02:13 PM

So Stats from the Obama administration are junk?

I wrote to three of those sites asking them for the data and I got no answer. Same thing I get from you.

Then I present stats from your hero that disproves your stats and you say it is junk.

So which is right, your stats or Obamas?

As usual rather than back anything up anything say, you try to send people on a field trip to prove your facts for themselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 02:57 PM

Sawz:

Are you dense?

The statement from Obama.com is not what Bobert was talking about. The rebuttal you posted from a writer in 2009 from (of all interesting places) the Ludwig de Mises Institute, claiming the Obama number is a myth, is definitely a right wing product. Ludwig van Mises, in case you did not know who he was, was the capitalist's capitalist, but regardless, one who said a lot of intelligent things.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 02:59 PM

AMos: So which is right, Bobert's 1 in 5 or or Obamas?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 12:17 PM

Bobert's "1 in 5 children go hungry at night" "fact"

After reading the the following:

Food Security in the United States from the USDA,

Food Security in the United States: Key Statistics and Graphics,

Food Security in the United States: Definitions of Hunger and Food Security, Percentage of households reporting indicators of adult food insecurity, by food security status, 2008,

On average, households with very low food security at some time during the year experienced it in 7 or 8 months during the year and in 1 to 7 days in each of those months....As a result of these temporal patterns, prevalence rates of food insecurity and very low food security during the 30 days preceding the food security survey were considerably lower than the annual rates. The estimated prevalence of very low food security during a single day was lower yet between 0.9 and 1.2 percent of households ,

US Census Bureau July 2006 estimate of 73,735,562 people in the US under 18,

I conclude that the Obama site's claim that According to the Department of Agriculture, in 2006, 430,000 children in the United States experienced hunger [1 in 176] is the correct one and I applaud President Obama for his efforts and for stating the real facts instead of hype. Child hunger is a terrible thing that must be eliminated.

But why do they serve $100 a pound Wagyu steak at the White House while 430,000 children experience hunger?

The American people should hold him accountable.

The scallops were served with Wagyu beef, glazed red carrots, portobello mushrooms and creamed (but not with real cream) spinach.

But Sawz, Bush did the same thing didn't he? Yeah but if that was wrong, why should Obama do the same wrong thing? Remember Hope and Change?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 05:40 PM

Why won't you take on the other web sites that make the claim about hunger in America, Sawz??? Do you claim to know more than them???

If I could do blue clickies I'd blue clicky you 1 for 1...

Me thinks, as I have stated before, that you visit so many sites that are set up by Boss Hog that your computer will not access the sites I get when I Google in "1 in 5 hungry"... When I do that I come up with 20 sites right off the bat that don't say anything close to what your rightie sites claim...

And, unlike you, I have alot of real kinda employement that allows me the luxary of spedning hours and hours and hours every day wandering thru web sites... If I have an hour a day then that's about it... And that's for everything including emails and business...

So here's what I suggest... Go the library and use one of their computers and Google in "1 in 5 hungry"... That will give you sites other than the ones that yer computer has ***chosen*** for you to view... Your's is as biased as you are.... It knows your history 'er somethin'.... Yeah, go the library and write down those sites and then go argue with them...

BTW, ya' checked out any piccures of the Tea Partiers??? Bunch of white people... There, now go off to one of yer rightie-sites and find a piccure of a black in the Tea Party and put a link to it... That will maike you feel all rieghteous and probably give you a 4 hour erection, to boot...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 06:05 PM

FLASH!! ONE IN FIVE AMERICANS FEELS A MITE PECKISH....


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Melissa
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 08:06 PM

Does the "one in five go hungry" mean that 20% of children are living below poverty level?

Poverty does kind of imply food-worry.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 08:21 PM

Well, the poverty rates in some states are over 15%... And that is using the US poverty guidelines which are purdy low... The rate for a family of 4 is $22,050.... Now if one does the math, given the prices of everything, $22,050 ain't gonna cut it for 4 people in most situations... Yeah, if they own their own land and can grow their own food and can hunt, don't have health insurance and don't need to drive, well, okay, maybe... But $22,050 for a family of 4 ain't gonna leave much for food...

But that is the threshold... If one were to revise the tables to reflect what it really takes to live then those 15% poverty rates would be more like 20% plus, which would support the "1 in 5" claim...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 11:36 AM

I did write to 3 of those websites asking them to point out the data.

None of them answered.

So I wrote to the two people that wrote the USDA report that those websites keep referring to and I got an answer from Mark Nord, one of the authors of that report. Evidently they get a lot of requests like this because it appears to be a "canned" response:


The official statistics on food insecurity are on our web site at http://www.ers.usda.gov/briefing/foodsecurity (click on "Key Statistics and Graphics") and in our annual report, Household Food Security in the United States, 2008, also accessible from that page. For information specifically on children, see also the USDA report, "Food Insecurity in Households with Children," available at http://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/eib56

It is common for advocates and media to cite USDA statistics, put their own interpretation on what those statistics mean, and then attribute the entire statement to USDA. Most of the statements you cite would be examples of that practice.

The statement, "12 million children go to sleep hungry in the United States" is an egregious example. 12 million is a USDA statistic for the number of children living in food-insecure households in 2007. (The number was up to 17 million in 2008.) While it is true, based on a sizeable body of research, that many of those children are adversely affected by this experience, the evidence is that only a tiny proportion "go to sleep hungry." For starters, in about half of those households, the food insecurity extended only to adults, not to children. In most or the remaining households--those in which children were also food insecure--the severity of their insecurity was at the level of affecting diet quality, variety, and desirability, but not quantity. It is unlikely that any children in those households went to bed hungry. About 1 million of the 17 million children (in 2008) lived in households in which one or more child had "very low food security" at some time during the year--a condition of severe food insecurity that is consistent with having been hungry at times because the household could not afford enough food. Not all children in such households experienced that condition themselves. The exact number is not known, but it was between 506,000 (the number of households in which those conditions existed for at least one child) and 1,000,000 (the number of children who lived in those households). Our statistics do not, however, provide any information about whether children went to bed hungry, and, indeed, we do not ask such a question on the survey.

So, please see the materials I referenced above, and get back to me if you have further questions after doing so.

Yours,
Mark


I don't want anybody here to think that I do not care about hungry children or hardships caused by the economy. This should and is being addressed by the President who uses more accurate statistics. I just wish some of this money that we do not really have being pissed away on crap like the $1.7 million for pig odor research could go toward feeding the kids instead of a re-election ploy.

I don't blame these websites for making the situation seem dire in order to get more donations. I don't blame Bobert for latching on to these claims because he is concerned also.

I do object to using hyped information to further a cause because it turns people off. It is used as a tool right here to blame something on the teabaggers. It is dishonest despite the good intentions.

What should be done is to redirect the waste in government spending toward the people that really need it.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 06:41 PM

Hyped situation for peanuts!!!

Jeeze-amo Pete, Sawz... The military spills more in one day than we are spending to feed hungry kids... When you start complaining about presidents starting extremely expensive wars of choice then I'll take your indignation seriously... But one thing I'll tell you is that the government has no idea how much hunger there is out there... I know a little bit about this because from working as a social worker for, ahhhhh, the government...

The statistics that they do keep is poverty levels because that kinda information fits nicely into their computer programs but they don't know squat about the effects of poverty...

Like I said, if we ahve 20% poverty rate it would stand to reason that the "1 in 5" is not all that much of a stretch, especially when you weigh in the fact that poor people tend to have more children...

Nah, I think I'll stick with the 1 in 5... You ghaven't ptoved that to be wrong other than ask folks who are clueless... The websites I have seen are by community based organizations... They are there in the community... Beaurocrats aren't...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 01:41 PM

Bobert:

According to the USDA source you gloated about says "1 in 5 children go hungry at night" is wrong.

Another Bobert "fact".

That would be 14.75 million. Obama says .43 million.

Is Obama wrong or are you wrong?

Can you admit it when you are wrong or does your ego keep you from admitting the truth?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Alice
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 04:18 PM

I just watched a Tea Party supporter, Mark Williams, melt down, take off his microphone and walk off the Dylan Ratigan show. Ratigan kept asking him to answer his questions. Williams refused to answer the question about repudiating the racists in the tea party rallies.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 04:31 PM

Nah, Sawz, there weren't no "gloating"... I told you that there were lots of sites when I Google "1 in 5 hungry" and just threw one out there... I was in no way saying that that one site was the Holy Grail... It was just proof, since you said that computer refused to find anything about "1 in 5 hungry", that these sites exist in cyberworld... No gloat, just fact... Shoot man, there are planety of other ones... Don't believe me then go to the libraray and use an unbiased/unprogramed computer and see fir yerself... Then you can call or write or whatever it is that makes 7you happy all of those other sources and argue with them until the cows come home...

BTW, have you spoken wioth yer shrink about this little Bobert-obsession relapse thing that you have goin' on???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 02:29 PM

Gloating:

BTW, Sawz... The claim of 1 in 5 children go to bed hungry is from statistics provided by, ahhhhhh, the leftie U.S.D.A!!!

Google "1 in 5 Children Hungry" for deatils...

Don'tcha just *hate* it when ol' hillbilly knows what the heck he's talkin' about??? lol...


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 03:01 PM

feedthechildren.org:

CHILDHOOD HUNGER IS AN EPIDEMIC. BOYS AND GIRLS ARE SUFFERING
AROUND THE WORLD AND RIGHT HERE IN THE U.S. DID YOU KNOW?

More than 12 million children in the U.S. suffer from hunger, more than 3 million chronically.
As many as 1 in 5 American children go to bed hungry.

'Feed the Children' Scam?
The charity "Feed the Children" is the fifth largest in the country with more than a billion dollars in donations each year. But, as Sharyl Attkisson reports, there are serious questions as to where the money goes.

"Feed the Children" Charity Under Fire
   "Feed the Children" is perhaps best known by its infomercials featuring founder, the Reverend Larry Jones.
   "For only $8 a month, you can help feed a child. Would you go to your phone," Jones said in a commercial.
   After the Haiti earthquake, the charity sprang into action. The Oklahoma City headquarters buzzed with activity, as donors sent in a million dollars in cash.
   "Right now, we need your help like never before to get urgently needed relief to Haiti," the commercial said.
   CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson reports most donors have no idea about the nasty family feud that's tearing apart the billion-dollar a year charity.
   On one side: founder Larry Jones. On the other: his daughter Larri Sue, and the charity's Board of Directors. It came to a head more than a year ago when each side accused the other of the worst sort of financial improprieties.
   In a lawsuit, Larry Jones accuses the Board of serious financial neglect, claims his daughter misused charity funds including living in a $1.2 million dollar Los Angeles home on the charity's dime, and that she engaged in illegal schemes to cover up unpaid taxes.
   Larri Sue denies any wrongdoing. The board claims it's her father who got caught taking bribes and kickbacks, awarded himself and his wife unauthorized pay raises and went so far as to bug the executive offices.
   Larry Jones fired his daughter and Board members who opposed him. But when a judge resintated them, they turned around and fired him.
   "Larry Jones has not engaged in any financial improprieties whatsoever," said his lawyer Mark Hammons.
   "Has Larry Jones done anything wrong," Attkisson asked.
   "Yeah," Hammons replied. "He made a mistake. He relied on people, and they let him down."
   But the Christian charity's donors might feel let down by the most scandalous allegations, about pornography and sexual and racist emails.
   "Feed the Children" says it found incest-related porn in Reverend Larry Jones' office.
   Larry Jones counters by producing racist and inappropriate emails that he claims were traded by top executives. "Plot to kidnap Obama" a watermelon under a box trap. "if she looks too young, just assume she's 18."
   Watchdog Daniel Borochoff says donors should see lots of red flags. He's been questioning the charity's practices for more than a decade.
   "It's ridiculous this charity can continue to raise money and have its hand out to the donating public," Borochoff said.
   We asked "Feed the Children" spokesman Tony Sellars about Borochoff's allegations.
   "Only 21-23 percent of your cash donations that people give actually go to program services," Attkisson said.
   "I can't address that," Sellars said. "I just address to the people that when they support us, what they want us to do is feed families and children, and that's what we're doing."
   "Fifty-four percent of cash is spent on TV, radio ads and direct mail," Attkisson said....
   Jones founded the charity 30 years ago.


The charity paid Jones $230,323 a year, records show...Read More


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 05:42 PM

That's right, Sawz.... Just find one that some rightie-site has allready demonized because of this-or-that and cut 'n paste it...

Let me ask you a simple question??? Do you agree with the poverty line for a family of four being $20,500 a year??? If so, would please post your hypothetical monthly budget showing how a family of four could live on that amount...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 11:10 PM

Bobert says Google "1 in 5 Children Hungry" for deatils:

From AIP's December 2009 Charity Rating Guide & Watchdog Report

The Most Outrageous Charity in America
Larry Jones' Feed the Children

From forged audits and alleged employee theft in the late '90s to alleged burglary and board coup staging within the past year, no other major charity can match Feed the Children's (FC) record of outrageous behavior over the past ten years. The madcap antics of Feed the Children and Larry Jones, its founder and president for 30 years, may be coming to an end. In August 2009, after months of turmoil at the charity, Mr. Jones agreed to give up control of FC in order to settle a lawsuit between FC's longstanding board and a new board that he had attempted to install. Fascinating details about many alleged wrongdoings at this charity have been brought to light as a result of this lawsuit.

Last December, Larry Jones staged a failed coup in an attempt to take over the board of FC after the board decided to put an end to his "freewheeling dominance" over the charity and demanded that he take a sabbatical for an indefinite period of time. The new board members Larry Jones attempted to install consisted of prominent ministers. This board along with Larry Jones promptly fired FC's chief operating officer, chief financial officer, internal auditor and the daughter of Larry Jones, Larri Sue Jones, FC's Vice President and General Counsel. The longstanding board sued the new board in January and was reinstated by Oklahoma County District Judge Patricia Parrish in February along with the previously fired employees.

FC has continuously received an F grade from AIP since we began rating this charity in 1995. Based on FC's most recently available financial statements for fiscal 2008, only 21 to 23 percent of its cash budget was spent on program services and $63 to $65 was spent to raise each $100 cash contribution. In 2008 about 54% of FC's cash budget of $125 million was spent on "television and radio," "direct mail," and "direct mail postage" according to its audit of the same year....


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 08:06 AM

I see yer still in yer cherry=pick and attack mode, Sawz...

Why won't you tell the good folks how you would run a household of 4 on $20,500 a year... That is more important here... If you can't do that then we can assume that all you wnat to do is blow smoke...

BTW, while yer trying to figure that out, might as well Google up "National Academy of Sciences" and see what they have to say about the governement's definitions of poverty...


Ya' see, yer hiding behind academia here, Sawz... If the poverty rate in America is 1 in 5 then maybe, just maybe, the 1 in 5 claim is not as unbeleivable as you seem to think??? Know what I mean????

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 01:56 AM

Quoting your sources is not hiding behind academia Bobert. It is not cherry picking.

You haven't come up with one fact to support your claim yet but you want others to prove your facts for you, That's your job.

The 1 in 5 claim is contradicted by your president that you voted for and the person that wrote the report you cited. Are you calling them liars? Are you smarter than them? Did you hear something on NPR that they don't know about yet?

Obama:430,000 children in the United States experienced hunger.

Bobert 1 in 5 [14,747,112] go to bed hungry at night.

Who is right and who is wrong?

First you make one claim you can't back up and then you try to switch it to another claim by saying that is the real issue.

Prove your first claim or admit it is wrong, if your ego will allow such a thing, then we will move on to the next Bobert "fact".


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 08:01 AM

Tell ya' what, Sawz... When you have posted your budget on how a family of 4 can live in this econmomy on $20,500 a year then I'll know you are serious about the intellectual curiousity it takes to carry on a real discussion... Cherry pickin' rightie-sites is not at all intellectually curious... Abnd caveman can do it....

If Obama said that only 430,000 kids in America are suffering from hunger he is wront, too... There is no way that that absolutelu insane number is anywhere near accurate... Do the math... Make your budget... Look at the poverty rates...

Ain't rocket surgery here, Sawz...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 10:46 PM

Tell ya what Bobert, When you prove your claim is correct or admit it is wrong, we will move on.

You are just shifting ground here cause you can't come up with any proof. The source you cited says you are wrong. The person that wrote the source you cited says you are wrong but your ego prevents you from admitting you are wrong.

Until you prove your claim, you are calling Obama a liar. I am not going to arrogantly tell you to Google for the proof that you are wrong, I am going to give you the link again:

BarrakObama.com:

Eliminate Child Hunger by 2015: According to the Department of Agriculture, in 2006, 430,000 children in the United States experienced hunger

Quit trying to shift the responsibility of proving your claim on me.

If you want to work on the poverty level and budgets, you come up with a minimum income and a budget so I can pick it apart.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 07:56 AM

I'm not trying tpo prove squat, Sawz... I'm just trying to get you outta yer denial rut... You are completely unwilling to look at the hunger in terms of poverty... What, you think ricj kids go hungry, too??? I mean, that's about as far as you want to go...

I thought that you had a level of intellectual curiousity... I guess not... That makes you a parrot... Not a free thinker... I'm sure you falol for all those junkmail marketing scams as well...

It doesn't take a friggin' Menza-nite to know that if you have 40,000,000 people living in povert that the half a million hungry children is as bogus as a $3 bill... But you don't seem to care that stuff doesn't add up... Tell ya' what, I wouldn't ever want to go to war with you... You would get us killed with yer tunnel vision...

"Question everything"...

"Garbage in, garbage out"...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 03:16 PM

"I'm not trying tpo prove squat, Sawz... I'm just trying to get you outta yer denial rut."

I know your are not trying to prove anything because you can't prove your Bobert "fact" so you worm out of that by claiming I am denying something.

One thing at a time Bobert. After you prove your claim that as per the leftie USDA "1 in 5 children go hungry at night", 14.7 million, while Obama states in writing on his website the .43 million experience hunger as per the USDA, we can move on to another topic.

Until then you are trying to change your claim to something else because you can't admit it when you are wrong.

You are the person in denial, not me.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 06:57 PM

Screw the USDA!!!

Come on man... Yer the governemnt hater here... That oughtta be real easy fir ya'... Just put on yer guvmint-hatin'-hat and pretend that rather than it being the USDA it was Obama or the Dems...

That's called "questioning", son...

Ya' see, income is alot easier to track than hungry kids... So ya take the income figures and you come up with roughly 40,000,000 people livin' in poverty... I interject that the poverty rate is too low ($20,500 a year for a family of 4) and I theorize that the real poverty rate is closer to 20% so we might be talkin' 50,000,000...

No this ain't rocket surery here, Sawz but if someone told you that only 1 in 100 kids who live in poverty go to bed hungry at night would you believe that??? I mean, don't ya' think that maybe, just maybe, that figure was at least a little off???

But it seems that you lack the intellectual curiousity to think beyond the propaganda???

Maybe you need to spend just a little more time thinking and less time reatcing, Sawz... Yer reactions may be fast but yer thinkin', no offense intended, leaves a lot to be desired...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 11:59 PM

I have already responded to your hate the government rant of 17 Feb 10 - 06:40 PM

With:

"I'll take this government over any in the world. If there was a better one where people were better off, I would go there. That is if I could pass their immigration laws and of I could swim upstream in the flood of people disparately trying to get into the US"


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 12:32 AM

"That's called "questioning", son"

Well Pop, I actually took the effort to question your Bobert "fact". I sent emails to three sites that posted your "fact" and none of them answered.

Then I took the time and effort to ask the authors of the report you gloated over that you claimed proved your "fact".

One of the researchers, Mark Nord, actually took the time to answer and the answer contradicted your "fact".

Also I took the time to search for other stats. I found them at Obama.com and the USDA, again contradicting your "fact".

So far you have been a lazy, truculent, smug, self righteous, holier than thou, bleater of propaganda from websites that are so disingenuous in their facts that they do not answer.

One of them was called The Most Outrageous Charity in America and a Scam by two different sources.

You cannot prove your "fact", you are to lazy to do any questioning yourself but you accuse me of not questioning things.

I have done 100 times more questioning and fact finding than you have.

You know you are wrong but your Winnebago sized ego won't allow you to admit it. I think you accused GWB of the same thing about a thousand times.

So as a subterfuge you try to shift it to a poverty line issue and demand that I produce something to prove you right.

Nothing personal Pop, but get up off your ass and do what you are trying to shift off onto me and quit trying to change the subject.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 08:17 AM

Hey, Sawz... I'm glad that yer mixin' it up with a few of the websites out there that are makin' claims about hunger in America... That's a ral good start... You know, questioning the folks you disagree with...

Now for that leap of faith on yer part to question the websites that agree with yer p.o.v.... That too much to ask, son???

I've presented you with the hypothesis... You know, the poverty rates, the questions about the governeemnt's poverty line and the number of hungry kids that the governeemnt claims... Somethin' don't jive when you look at the big picture... Ya' see, son, that is how people with intellectual curiousity think... They loo ta somethin' and see that there is some obvious error and then question the meathodology that was used to create the error...

Now be a good Sawz and put a little pencil to the paper and explain how only 1 in a hundred poor kids got to be hungry... That's purdy much what yer sites claim, ain't it???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 11:26 AM

Lemme see Pop, You won't even seek out any data to support your "fact" much less put a pencil to paper but you want me to put a pencil to paper to explain why research, Obama and the USDA spent your tax money for, contradicts what you say. Is there a more reliable source?

Where did your "data" come from? From sites that won't answer like you? From "The Most Outrageous Charity in America"?

What government website supports your "fact" Bobert?

Rather than me proving you are right, you need to prove you are right.

Then we can move on to your hypothesis.

Right now you are using your hypothesis as an excuse for not having to find any data to support your claim that "1 in 5 children go hungry"

I've done my work. I have presented my data. Now it is time for you to do the same and quit claiming there is something I haven't done.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 03:09 PM

USDA 2008 Household Food Security page four

(5.7 percent of all U.S. households) had very low food security that is, they were food insecure to the extent that eating patterns of one or more household members were disrupted and their food intake reduced, at least some time during the year, because they couldn't afford enough food. Children in most food-insecure households even in most households with very low food security were protected from reductions in food intake. However in about 506,000 households (1.3 percent of households with children), one or more children were also subject to reduced food intake and disrupted eating patterns at some time during the year (table 1B). In some households with very low food security among children, only older children may have been subjected to the more severe effects of food insecurity, while younger children were protected from those effects.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 04:32 PM

No, no, Sawz... I am fully aware of what the USDA propaganda says... I mean, I can read... What doesn't add up is their numbers... Something seriously wrong with their methodology... Ain't rocket surgery here, son...

Lets do a little review here 'cause maybe you are missing the point...

Number of people living in poverty = 40,000,000 (maybe 50,000,000 depending on one's position on the governements' $20,500 a year for a family of four)

Number of kids hungry according to USDA = 500,000

If the family make-up of those kids living in poverty is 66% then what the USDA wants US to believe out of the 26,000,000 to 33,000,000 only 500,000 go hungry which amounts to about 2 kids out of a 100 who are living in poverty going hungry....

Now I doubt that you kmow much about poverty, son, but I do... I worked as a social worker for the City of Richmond for well over 10 years working with the poor... If Janie would stop in here she would validate what I'm trying to tell you and that is simply that there is something very wrong with the USDA's accounting here...

That's what I refer to as intellectual curiousity.... Seems you have plenty of it if it comes to putting the blast on Obama but seem blinded when it suits yer arguments... I call that selective blindness and when it come to selective blindness yer a white-caner...

B~

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 04:54 PM

But nevermind Sawz little tangent... It ain't even a blip about the real discussion here...

Ya' know who will be credited with the creation of the Tea Praty is none other than Dick Armey... Remember him??? Well, his lobby firm, D.L.A. Piper and their affiliate "Freedom Works" are all shills for the drug companies and the health insurance lobbies... And Armey's firm and his buds have provided organizational support and $$$ to the Tea Baggers??? Thrown in FOX and you have the perfect storm for the pissed off and ignorant...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 01:06 AM

Well well well. Bobert. First you brag about how this old hillbilly is right cause the USDA said so and now it's Propaganda.

An interesting turn of events. And I suppose you calling Obama a liar too while you puff out your chest.

You brought your "1 in 5 children go hungry" "fact" into the thread and now he claims that is my tangent.

Then you proceed to try to shift the fact over to something else.

You are the one going off on tangents, not me.

Why don't you make the effort, like I did to contact them. Maybe your 10 years as a social worker can help them find and fix their alleged wrong methodology.

You know they have their methodology all written out in that report, the questions they asked, everything is right there.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Mar 10 - 06:45 PM

Sorry, sawz, but you are the one dodging the discussion... Yeah, amongst about 50 things that I hate you pulled the "1-in-5 children" out as if it was the Holy Grail and so I asked you do do a little budget work, which you refused to do, to get to a point where some critical thinking could come into play... But, hey, you refused because, like a chess game, you sniffed that I was just a few moves away from having you in checkmate so you just did what you do every time you can sniff a checkmate coming and that is (drumroll) change the subject...

But nevermind yer diversionary tactics... They speak for themselves...

How about the Tea Partiers yelling "nigger" at black Congressmen???

And how about them spitting at a black Congressman???

And how about the derogatory terms thrown at Barney Frank about him being gay???

Guess ya'll righties don't want to talk about those incidents, do ya'???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Mar 10 - 06:53 PM

Well, if you've got a few hours Bob!! :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Mar 10 - 08:11 PM

Well, Ake... I got plenty of time... Yeah, I'd really like to hear a response from the folks who have attacked me here for making a suggestion that the same kinds of folks who are in the Tea Party now were the kinda folks that once were in the ranks of the KKK...

Yeah, I'm real curious as to how Sawz will try to twist this one into chicken salad when it is clearly chicken shit...

Maybe he'll try his "Bobert drinks moonshine" defense... No, no... I got it... He'll bring up the fact that I have smoked pot with my son... Yeah... That oughtta divert attention away from the redneck/Tea Party folks who spit on balck Congresspeople and shouted nigger at them...

BTW, as per my usual day in rural America I heard yet again today in regards to Obama, "Someone oughtta shoot that nigger"... Guess it was a joke???

What isn't a joke is the very uncivilzed nature of the Tea Party... If they were on the left we'd have SWAT teams parachuting down on them and killing them but we, as a nation, have collectively given heavially armed sub-cultures a pass if they are white... Hey, it's the American way... I remember when the Black Panthers bought a few guns the government went after them like they were al-qaeda but seems that the government thinks when rednecks do the same thing it's just "boys being boys"... No, it's not!!! It's a bunch or racist assholes that need to be treated for what they are and what they represent!!!

If ya'll rednecks here (and you know who you are) want another round of the 60's then keep it up... Eventually the civilized among us will have had enough of yer bullying and borishness and shoot back... Don't think it can happen??? Just keep it up!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Songbob
Date: 22 Mar 10 - 11:15 PM

Of the 436 Congressional Districts (including the District of Columbia), 311 had a food hardship rate of 15 percent or higher. In 139 of them the rate was 20 percent or higher. Practically every Congressional District in the country had more than a tenth of respondents reporting food hardship.

My source

So the 1-in-5 isn't universal -- but it is f*cking shameful.

And no pick-a-small-detail-while-missing-the-point right whinger can say it isn't!

FOAD, Sawzaw! You belong with the epithet-shouting, spitting-on-people Tea Klux Klan, and, on any blog, would be treated to "Don't feed the troll" posts. Here, you just stink up the place.


Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 22 Mar 10 - 11:53 PM

How about Bobert calling Obama a ni**a?

"So ya'll righties want to see the country sink further in the recession to get the "ni**a" out???"

Yes Bobert, there are still some die hard racists around and you are one of them.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 07:47 AM

I have never called Obama a "ni**a", Swaz, and you know it... In other words, you are a liar!!! Liar, liar, liar!!! How's them apples, liar???

I have "reported" things that are being said and won't be bulliecd by you or anyone else from doing that...

As for racist??? What a joke, man... You don't know jack about me or the things I have done... Racist, my butt... The fact that I hate the behavior I am seeing by an ignorant minority of racists who operate as the Tea Party makes me a "hater" of those behaviors, of better put, misbehaviors... They are the worst of Southern Man thinking... Seems that the Reoublicans in Congress have been sucked into that mob-mentality, too... And it is disgusting, un-civil, borish, rude, inconsiderate, bullying and shows the worst side of man... Yeah, I hate those behaviors...

BTW, LiarSawz, as far as I am concerned those who show unthinking support for such behaviors are just as guilty as the spitters and hoodlims...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 12:29 PM

Bobert,

You need to be more carefull about your statements:

SOME members of the Tea Party may be as you describe- YOUR statement would be like me saying that "Hippies are all a bunch of people that spit on those in uniform." I can state for a fact that there are SOME who did- to blame ALL of them is not reasonable.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 03:38 PM

Too many hatefull signs and too many hatefull screamers at these Tea Party rallies to think these things just isolated incidents... During the campaign these were the same folks who showed up at Palin rallies yeliing "hang him" in regards to Obama... I here these people every week in the area I live...

What I am saying is that it is well out of hand and folks need to act more like adults at these Tea Party rallies... Look at the pictures of them and count the signs that suggest violence...

Until the Tea Party has the balls to stand up to its members and tell their members to act like civilized people then I think it is fair game to brand their organization a hate oganization...

During the 60s I was involved in both civil rights and anti-war demonstrations as both an organizer and a participant and we always were respectfull of our fellow brothers in the armed services... We even admitted them to our concerts at the Center for the Performing Arts for free... That is the difference here... Every attempt was made to respectfull in the 60s... The Tea Party organizers are 100% opposite that and they need to stand up and show some respect to not only people they disagree with but black people in general... If they won't do that then the KKK label seems appropriate...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 05:42 PM

" Every attempt was made to respectfull in the 60s... "

Not if you wore a uniform in public. YOU may have done so, but the vast majority of "peaceniks" treated those in uniform far worse than the Congress people have been. ** I ** was there.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 06:25 PM

You might want to do a little research, bruce...

I was there, too... I orgainized marches in over a dozen cities as an organizer of SOC (Southern Organizing Committee), SCLC (Southern Christain Leadership Council) and VCU's RSU (Radical Student Union which was affiliated with SDS, Students for a Democratic Society)... In every one of those events pains were taken to appoint enough people to act as monitors along the marching route and at any events where people congrigated to listen to speakers... The purpose of the monitors was to be sure that demonstrators acted peacefully, didn't damge any property and we generally respectfull... I mean, we had to get permits for these things and if you messed up then you weren't going to get any more permits...

That was reality in both the civil rights and anti-war movements... Ask anyone who was an organizer...

Yes, there were fringe groups... Yippies were obnoxious... Some of the SDSers wer obnoxious... But the main civil rights and anti-war groups repeatedly spoke out against their tactics...

That is the difference we have now... No one on the right has the balls to speak out for civility...

We spoke out and spoke out loudly against violence... After all, we were followers of Dr. King... At least 99% of us were...

BTW, in 1970 during the Kent State shootings I was "rector" of the Radical Student Union at VCU and I knew every anti-war student at the campus and three guys show up at one of our meetings talkin' burning down VCU's presdient's house, which was on campus... I didn't know these guys and they really hardly had long hair... Maybe a couple months worth of growth... So I was thinking that they were FBI... I donno... So I asked them to leave... Until then I had been involved in so many dmeonstartions that I had lost count but this waas the first time that I had heard anyone openly advocate violence... And to this day I think they were plants...

But the reality is that we were trying to change society and end a stupid war using non-violence... No spitting... No name calling... Just good community organizing and lots of cool signs and lots of noise... That was it...

So, yeah, there is a major difference between what those of us did in the 60s and what the Tea Partiers are doing today...

You may have been there, bruce... I donno... But if you were there you surely missed the esence of what it was all about...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 06:52 PM

I was in demonstrations in the 60's civil rights movement in two cities. Never had a ruction or a hint of violence in either one.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 07:08 PM

** I ** was spit on- crewcut, AF/CAP UNIFORM.


So don't tell me it did not happen.

YOU may have advocated non-violence- and MOST of the Teapartiers may also- HOW many (of the millions) have you seen advocating any more violence than many ( including here ) advocated against Bush????


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 07:33 PM

Well, you are in a very, very small minority, bruce... The spitting story that has taken on Holy Grail porportions over the years has been debunked... Yeah, there were a few incidents... I am sorry that you were involved with one of them but...

...to brand a decade of demonstrations where 99% of the people were non-violent and non-vilence was preached heavily in cities accross the country as equal to what we are seein' now is down right wrong... It plays to an old lie and therefore folks think that todays' behavior is no worse than the 60s... That is complete and utter bullshit...

BTW, just check out the signs, bruce... Yeah, google up picture of Tea Baggers... There's plenty of them... You would never have seen signs like these at any anti-war or civil rights demonstrations in the 60s... Never!!!

The fact that none of the righties here is wiloling to step up and say that things have gotten outta control here is the same as what we are seein' on the larger stage... No one has the balls to tell the rednecks that rude and uncivil behavior is not appropriate...

I will make this prediction: If the right wing cannot find the courage to stand up to Redneck Nation then they ain't gonna win the moderate voters... Yeah, they might do okay this November but the longer that the right is defined as violent people who hate the government the longer it is going to be in exile once that the moderates catch their breath and think about how they want America's future to look... And you can take that to the bank!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 07:38 PM

"BTW, just check out the signs, bruce... Yeah, google up picture of Tea Baggers... There's plenty of them... You would never have seen signs like these at any anti-war or civil rights demonstrations in the 60s... Never!!!
"

Perhaps, but they compare easily with the anti-Bush demonstration incited by liberals and the NYT...


THAT is a better comparison- and I didn't see any effort by liberals to decry those signs or demonstrations.


How many Congressmen were spit on? Seems like a very small minority to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:00 PM

No, they don't. bruice... I attended most of the anti-war demonstartions in D.C. in the lead up to the Iraq war... Yeah, there were plenty that were anti-Bush... There were plenty that wer anti-war... I don't remember any that suggested any violence or portrayed Bush as Hitler... Bush as a monkey??? Yeah... But that's good clean fun at a demonstration... Hey, that's what we di in the 60's, too... But the hate was for policies... Not people... I mean, I never wanted any rral harm to come to Bush even though I hated his policies... And I don't think anyone who was in those D.C. demonstrations wanted Bush to be harmed, not the less, killed... Yeah, like I said back then when I was accused of hating Bush: You got the wrong man... I don't (didn't) hate Bush... I don't (didn't) hate Dick Cheney... Or Paul Wolfowitz... Or Richard Pearle... But...

...I hated the Hell outta them invading Iraq...

That's the big difference, bruce, that you probably cannot ever comprehend becasue you weren't on the front lines of the civil war or anti-war movement... Yeah, you perhaps don't understand just what a profound effect that Dr. King had on all of us who were there fighting to stop an immoral war and to confront racism...

The number of Congressmen that were spit on isn't the issue... The issue is that no one from the right has/had the balls to stand up to the spitter and say "Hey, man, that was messed up... Don't do that kinda thing again..."

That is what is at issue here...

Had I been an organizer of a demonstration in the 60s where one service brother or sister was disrespected I would have made it a point to persoanlly apologize to the that person and would have had the spitter removed from the demonstration... And that is the way that everyone I organized with would have handled it...

Ya' see, bruce... We were orgainizing with church groups, and old ladies groups and all kinds of people and we were trying our best to turn tyhe other cheek as Dr. King taught us... I can truthfully say that in almost 10 years of being involved in demonstrating and orgainizing I never once saw a service person disrespected... Never!!!

The Vietnam War wasn't called up by the grunts... It was called up by the usual chicken-hawks, Kennedy and Johnson and later Nixon... 99.999% of the anti-war folks understood this...

Like I said in my last post, the only time I ever encountered folks preaching violence was by folks who I think were FBI plants... Never, ever the anit-war/civil rights folks I knew all over the South...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:24 PM

Bobert,

You miss the point: AS MANY people spit on congressmen as spit on me.

YOU are saying that makes all the Tea Partiers guilty- even those presently on Fox decrying the actions. So, why should I accept that YOU are any different than you claim the Tea Partiers are?

I hold no animosity toward the anti-war protestors- just the few that spit on me. So give us all a break and stop telling us how all Tea Party members are racist rednecks- I will admit a few are, just as a few of the anti-war protestors were nasty SOBs. OK?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:28 PM

Bush being portrayed as Hitler...


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:32 PM

to be fair...

Obama as Hitler


Now, look at the number of hits-

Bush   10,903
Obama 10,600

"I don't remember any that suggested any violence or portrayed Bush as Hitler"


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:35 PM

Kill Bush - 11,628



kill Obama - 10,321


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:41 PM

Well, on the other hand, Bushed caused thousands of times more deaths than Obama...



A


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:48 PM

He's only 15 months in- give hime time...


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:54 PM

No, bruce, I do get the point...

When folks were disrepsectfull in the 60s they were called for it... That is the difference...

Ya'll get yer rednecks to act more civilly or yer gonna find yerselves out in the cold until you can...

We tried very hard in the 60s to do just that...

b~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:58 PM

As I said, on Fox they are being called for it (O'reilly, to be specific) Waiting on even one apology from an anti-war leader for being spit on...

Again, HOW many cases of n****r or spitting on Congressmen were there?

ANd there are as many calls for Bush to be killed as there are for Obama, and ditto on implying that they are Hitler. About the same numbers, but you seem to be blind to those that Liberals did.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 09:58 PM

Wal, Bruce, I dunno who spat or where or on whom, but I sure do apologize to you for that. It wasn't right.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 10:27 PM

Me, too... It wasn't right... Had it been any one of the thousands of folks I helped to oraginze in the 60s I would have taken them aside and told them to apologize...

But, lets get real here about history... While I apologize to you for some asshole spittin' on you I don't just go and say that the Tea Baggers get some sort of pass on civility... This stuff is what it takes to create that "perfect storm" in the 60s that got some very important leaders assasinated...

Maybe folks on the right think it's perfectly okay to purge the other side's leaders when it suits them but I don't... I didn't much like it in the 2000 recount was taking place in Florida and pain goons intimidated poll workers trying to do their jobs...

There seems to be a pattern developing here which is very similar to things in Germany in the 30s... As long as yer on the armed thug side all is fine... But those pin-head intellectuals gotta go...

And here the United States is struggling to create jobs in an ever globalized economy and education is now the enemy... Good manners and civility are the enemy???? Respect for our neighbors is now the enemy??? African Americans (yeah, Americans) are now the enemy???

Ya'll gonna have to give this ol' hillbilly a break here...

BTW, beem me up, Scottie... No one is gonna hold the bully rednecks accountable for their borish, moronish behavior...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 12:26 AM

I doubt you'll get any kind of metric of merit from counting Google hits, since it is largely a funcion of media fever peaks and valleys. I think it would be interesting to compare the number of urgent protesers who marched against a universal healthcare program, compared to the numbers who marched against the Iraq war.

Interesting that all those who hullabaloo against taking a bit more care of their fellow Americans had NO objections when their trillions were being spilled on the sands of Mesopotamia, huh? Not a word about the deficit, the blood, the death. How strange the hearts of men. These same people, trying to find reasons to support the McCain/Palin ticket, could find nothing more persuasive than "drill, baby drill!", a commitment to wastrel lifestyles ongoing. How decent, how thoughtful, how compassionate!! Spend a trillion to wipe out Iraqis without blinking--death is after all our most important product. But a trillion to make the nation more stable by making healthcare affordable? OOoooo no, that would be socialism, as opposed to imperialistic fascism.


This sort of white-hot irresponsibility is for the birds, Bruce. It is a shameful reflection on our standards of thoughtfulness and decency, you ask me.

Not that you would.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 07:27 AM

Exactly, Amos... The problem here is that without Redneck Naztion the Republicans are in big trouble and they know it so...

... as a consequence Redneck Nation gets quite a lot if press time which, in turn, eggs them on just that much more... Heck, I was watching NBC news -- you know, the news outlet that Dougie says is liberal -- and the signing of this historic legislation into law by Obma got about 30 seconds and Redneck Nation got over a minute???

As long as folks are willing to give them attention and not call them for their tactics they will get worse and worse and worse...

You can take that to the bank...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 07:27 AM

We3ll, seems the isolated incidents are becoming much less isolated... Here in Virginia the Redneck Nation published the wrong address of a Representative who voted for the health reform bill and one of their tribe cut the gas line going into that house which had it not been detected could have burned the house and it's occupants to the ground... Then there are dozens more incidents where Dems are having their lives and the lives of their families threatened...

So seeing that the Repubs now understand that we have progressed (degressed) to more than the isolated incident phase of the threatened abnd carrued out violence by Redneck Nation John Beohner, after a minute's worth of *Well, the Dems did this and ther dems did that so my people are angry* finished up with a *day-late-dollar-short violence is wrong*....

Why not just say it without all the Dems did this and that attached to it??? Huh??? That's like sayin', "I'm sorry if that hurt you but..." No sorry in there...

No, the Repubs are gonna have to do bettee than that or come elction time they are going to lose the moderate voters who don't want to be associated with Redneck Nation...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 12:58 PM

"I have never called Obama a "ni**a", Swaz, and you know it... In other words, you are a liar!!! Liar, liar, liar!!! How's them apples, liar???"

It's right here but you didn't use the asterisks:

So ya'll righties want to see the country sink further in the recession to get the "ni**a" out???

A response from another poster:

"Bobert,

The problem isn't code words or institutionalized racism or subconscious racism.

The problem is that you project your own racist thoughts on the rest of the world. Stop accusing others of subscribing to your own personal prejudices. Some of us don't worry about race; we actually look at the man's words and deeds and consider him based on those. It's obvious you are not able to do that and instead filter the world through your own bigoted glasses."


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 05:22 PM

Yer too stupid, I guess, to understand the context of that post, Sawz... How about printing the entire thread and let folks choose for themselves if I called Obama a "nigga"!!!

But you won't do that because what was written was part of a larger discussion where I was bouncing between me and what my neighbors think... In other words you have taken a statement completely out of context which makes you either...

... a liar or...

...like I said, too stupid to undertsand the context of a much larger and involved thread...

BTW, the reason that alot of folks I have spoken to who have left that website is because there are too many arrogant people there... You, apparently, being one of them...

BTW, folks... Any Repubs step up today to Reneck Nation???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 05:25 PM

Yes, Bobert, they have. But if you don't listen to them, I guess you can claim they never did.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 10:45 PM

Anybody that disagrees with Bobert is a liar or stupid.

Here is the quote by Bobert but he still claims I am a liar and that he never called Obama a ni**a.

You can see the context where he is trying to turn shortcomings in the Obama administration into a racial issue and then projecting the problems on people that he demonizes as racists.

He is constantly demonizing "r******s" and trying to blame anything he thinks is a problem on them.

R*****k is a pejorative that Bobert uses in his rants to foment hatred for people that simply disagree with him.

The Tuscaloosa News:
"in the 1960's, r*****k took on a crude, derogatory meaning, used to stereotype the poorly educated, racist whites who opposed, often violently, the civil rights movement."


I agree that "Some of us don't worry about race; we actually look at the man's words and deeds and consider him based on those. It's obvious you are not able to do that and instead filter the world through your own bigoted glasses."


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Songbob
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 11:23 PM

I can't believe I came back to this benighted thread.

Sawzaw sez:


"Here is the quote by Bobert but he still claims I am a liar and that he never called Obama a ni**a."

... So I clicked on the link. And there is NOTHING in the linked page to sustain your cockamamie theory, man. NOTHING. If it appears somewhere else, SHOW US.

Put up or shut up, sez all of us (save perhaps Bearded Bruce).

Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 11:51 PM

Quick skim through this one reminds me why I don't come by much anymore. Why would I have any interest in the rantings of dickheads who are either willfully ignorant, or (more likely) chronic and acute sufferers of Dunning-Kroger Syndrome. You assholes know exactly who you are.
Cheers.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 12:28 AM

Dear Songbob: look under the date 01-25-09 21:30

Dear Bobert: "Sawz facts"... You claim that only about half a million kids go to bed hungry"

I never made the claim. I quoted the numbers from the USDA's response to my email and from the Obama website. Neither of them said anything about the going to bed part.

"BTW, Sawz... The claim of 1 in 5 children go to bed hungry is from statistics provided by, ahhhhhh, the leftie U.S.D.A!!!

Google "1 in 5 Children Hungry" for deatils...

Don'tcha just *hate* it when ol' hillbilly knows what the heck he's talkin' about??? lol... "


EMail from USDA: "Not all children in such households experienced that condition themselves. The exact number is not known, but it was between 506,000 (the number of households in which those conditions existed for at least one child) and 1,000,000 (the number of children who lived in those households). Our statistics do not, however, provide any information about whether children went to bed hungry, and, indeed, we do not ask such a question on the survey.

Obama website: "According to the Department of Agriculture, in 2006, 430,000 children in the United States experienced hunger."


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 12:46 AM

Dear Bobert:

"So I challenges you to provide a budget for a family of 4 living at the poverty level as a first step toward your 3 credits in "Critical Thinking 101" but you ignore that because you'd rather btalk about Obama's friggin' airplane???"

I asked you where you got the 1 in 5 children fact from and all you can come up with is a accusation that I need to do something to prove you are right.

Why don't you get off your lazy ass and prove yourself right Pop?

Or is your ego in control?

I don't need any credits from somebody who believes that in "Haiti 1% owns all the wealth"


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 01:16 AM

"Since January the Secret Service has logged more death threats to the President than all previous Presidents combined."

CBS News

The director of the Secret Service today disputed widely-reported claims that President Obama is receiving more death threats than previous presidents.

At a congressional hearing into the White House security breach that took place last week, when Tareq and Michaele Salahi "crashed" the White House state dinner, Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan said the current threat level against the president is normal.

"The threats right now ... is the same level as it has been for the previous two presidents at this point in their administrations," Sullivan said....


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 07:44 AM

First of all, I don't need to get off my "lazy ass" to talk about hunger in America... I spent two decades workin' around it, living in it and I fully understand what I am talking about... Not from what think but from what I have seen and experienced... That's the difference between US, Sawz... Where you think you undertsnd stuff you really aren't able to *know* things unless you have the experience to know them...

Secondly, yeah, you a good as taking things completely out of context... That entire thread, which you haven't mentioned and you fully know that 99% of the people here won't open and look at because that smae numebr just ignore all of your blue clicky things, was about me confronting a number of people about "codified racism"...

(Is that right, Boberdz??? Are you trying to tell me that you were single handedly trying to make a point to a number of folks who were using "code" for racism???)

Yeah, that's exactly what that thread was about... I took on a number of bigoyed people, they all banded together like bigots do and woofed, woofed all that same-old-story that racists tell to make themselves feel all warm n fuzzy... Thay din't like being called down and so after that I left that web site... And so did alot of other people who I have had and continue to have contact with who left for the same reason...

Lastly, Sawz... If you still want to pursue your little theory that ol' BObert is a racist then once again I'd invite you to take the entire thread, either this one or the one you linked to the ootgher site, and have a professor of race studies read it...

But you won't do that because you know deep inside that you are wrong... That is what is so meesed up about your thinking...

That about says it... I'll continue posting to this thread when it is approproate in reagrds to the Tea Party and racism but...

....as for you Sawz... You are just another angry troll and, frankly, not worth my time so see ya around...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 01:26 PM

Talk is cheap ain't it? It's backing up your facts that is the hard part.

This whole thread is to stir up hatred for the tea party by projecting you racist views and hatred on other people. To instigate a lynch mob.

The only reason for you to do this is simply because you disagree with them and you hate anybody that disagrees with you. You call them stupid if they don't agree with you.

Then you go on about buying guns and violence is the only answer and revolution.

And you call me angry? Who is the angry one?

"they were filled with contempt (hate) of Obama"
"I saw some very hatefull signs"
"promoting hatefilled demonstartions"
"promoting hate is against the law" [pot and liquor laws excluded]
"The KKK epitomized the kinda hate that we witnessed this past week."
"They just hate the governemnt"'
"they really just flat out hate the governemnt"
"Yeah, they hate the governemnt "
"But they sho nuff hate the governemnt"
"I hate it that 1 in 5 children go hungry at night"
"Don'tcha just *hate* it when ol' hillbilly knows what the heck he's talkin' about??? lol..." [I like it when he know what he's talikng about]
"I reckon that Sawz will come along now and say I hate America"
"I hate it that if you do what Tom Jefferson expected us to do in questioning our governement then the right says you hate America" [example?]
"I hate it that a Tea Party gun-nut"
"There ain't enough hate in the world for this brand of right wing haters"
"so consumed with hate that many would love nothin' more than to see the United Sates become a "failed state" because of their hatred of a black president"
"Yer the governemnt hater here"
"The fact that I hate the behavior I am seeing by an ignorant minority of racists"
"Too many hatefull signs and too many hatefull screamers"
"I think it is fair game to brand their organization a hate oganization"
"the longer that the right is defined as violent people who hate the government"
"I hated his policies"

I don't hate Bobert or anybody, I am just questioning his "facts" which he refuses to back up.
I will defend Bobert's right to say whatever he wants to say and to believe anything he wants to believe.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 04:06 PM

You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the ass... Yer just playing childish games and I have better things to do with my life than play then respond to you incessent trolling... Oh yeah... Enroll in "Critical Thinking 101" and then maybe you'll understand reality 'cause right now it's well out of your reach...

Bye...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 04:09 PM

Sawz:

Your accusations of projection, of Bobert being a racist, and so on seem a bit over the top. He's described what he has done to help offset hunger among low-income families. What has your own contribution been on this front? Do you mind my asking?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 03:18 PM

You first Amos.

You are also entitled to your opinions.

As far as trolling, he starts entire troll threads to whip up animosity toward others just because he disagrees with them. He seems to think this escalation of controversy is some sort of honorable accomplishment on his part.

To open this thread he states that white people hate President Obama. He states that thye have a "blatent hatred of Obama".

Then he states "The rednecks are getting to be rather disgusting little hypocrits"

I find that highly offensive, blatantly racist and incendiary but Bobert claims he is so educated that he is allowed to do such things which he constantly claims others are doing wrongfully.

I don't hate Bobert or anybody, I am just questioning his "facts" which he refuses to back up.

Instead he angrily says I have to do this or that because he can't back them up. In stead he says I am too stupid. I need an education so I can attain his level of intelligence and somehow earn the right to call Obama a "n**ga"

He tells me "You claim that only about half a million kids go to bed hungry" on me when I am quoting what I consider to be reliable sources.

This highly educated person claims I have an unfair advantage because I can make blue clickies.

Bobert, if you look real, close you will see on the right side of the box that you type your posts in, some blue words that say Make a link ("blue clicky"). Now click that and another window will pop up. In that window are two boxes.

In the top box you paste the URL that you want the clicky to jump to. You get that by highlighting copying and pasting it from the URL box at the top of the browser screen when you are viewing the target page.

Then in the next box down type the words you want to be blue and lead to the target.

Then you click the create link button.

Then another window opens and you copy and paste the second row of text into your post.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Alice
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 05:09 PM

We have more "Palinisms" coming our way:

Speaking at a McCain campaign rally, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin issued the following warning to the most extreme elements in the Tea Party movement: "Anyone who uses threats of violence will be in my crosshairs."


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 08:35 PM

Wow, Alice... I was watching Ms Sarah on the late night news... John McCain was tanding behind here... When she went into that Tea Party stuff you could just see on McCain's face that it wasn't one of his finest moments... I was sorry to see the guy go thru that... His finest moment was during th campaign and this woman got up and was saying that Obama was a Muslim and this and that and McCain stopped her and corrected her... That McCain was the real one that most of us have known for decades... The new one just wnats to get re-elected... For what??? So he can get a Rupert Murdock perfect attedence award???

Oh... Thanks, Amos... Sawz won't talk about what he has done or knows personally about hunger in America because he can't... All he knows is how to do is find some site (any site will do) that irregarless of how illogical their so-called information may sound is the Holy Grail and last word in Saws-Truth-dom...

BTW, it isn't just kids that are going hungry... It's adults, too... When I was in social work a large portion of my time was spent talking to ministers to get their congregation to keep their food closets stocked and carrying food to adults as well as children...

(Well, Boberdz... Can you provide proof of your social work carrer???)

Yes, I can... Plenty of them, too...

But nevermind me... This thread is about the Tea Party... BTW, folks... If one person had to get the bulk of the credit for the Tea Party it's Rupert Murdock for having his FOX un-news become the orgainizing arm of the Tea Party... Without FOX there would be no Tea Party... Intersting op-ed in today's Washington Post by Colbert King who equates the Tea Party folks to the same kinda folks who wer the followers of George Wallace...

(But, Bobert, no, that can't be... All they want is states rights and not have the federal government mingling in their affairs...)

Hmmmmmm, isn't that what George Wallace said, too???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Stringsinger
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 12:48 PM

The Tea Party movement has at its base a reaction to a Black President. Health Care has nothing to do with it. Palin, McCain, and the GOP are stirring up hatred in this country and attempting to hide behind a false populism.

The throwing of bricks through glass windows, the violent talk of "reloading" and showing of gunsights, the angry mob unruliness of the Tea Party bringing loaded weapons to political rallies has not been really censured or criticized vehemently by the TP'ers. The rise of right-wing "militias" and the "birthers" plus the underground endorsement of violence by so-called Christian leaders is indicative of what is going on now.

Hate calls to congress people and senators, spitting on public officials, homophobic remarks by hate-filled TP'ers resemble the rise of a right-wing "putsch" in this country. The TP'ers are racists and have no legitimate justification for their violence. The GOP is complicit
in stirring it up.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Alice
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 12:56 PM

C-Span video discussing how polarization of the country and the congress is rewarding extreme views and how dysfunction of congress is increasing.

C-Span, Civic Engagement - Coffee Party USA


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:17 AM

Handy Guide to how Republicans and Fox News are responsible for Census worker being hanged

Sep 24 2009
        
We need to absolutely expose Glenn Beck, Michele Bachmann, Michelle Malkin, CNN's Lou Dobbs, Michael Steele, Rush Limbaugh and the legion of others parroting right-wing lies for trumping up this nonsense and getting people to now commit murder in a hideous fashion.

The FBI is investigating the hanging death of a U.S. Census worker near a Kentucky cemetery, and a law enforcement official told The Associated Press the word 'fed" was scrawled on the dead man's chest.

The body of Bill Sparkman, a 51-year-old part-time Census field worker and occasional teacher, was found Sept. 12 in a remote patch of the Daniel Boone National Forest in rural southeast Kentucky. The Census has suspended door-to-door interviews in rural Clay County, where the body was found, pending the outcome of the investigation.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jbzG_...

Why did this happen? Oh gee whiz, let's see...
Michele Bachmann was on Glenn Beck's Fox News show today, and the result was an absolute panic over the 2010 Census. Beck worried that by not filling out the Census the government could take away his gun. Bachmann also continued to claim that the Census information could used to put Americans into internment camps.

FOX distorts, people die

Sadly, there will be more instances of hate from the RRW....because the media hatemongers will not stop. It's what they do.

That is so so sad.. his poor son and loved ones. There's gotta be some accountability for the lies and hate being pushed by the people who profit from it.

So true. The cop killer in Philly can be added to their culpability list of radical killers incited by the hatemongering promoted by the GOP.

Send the body to Glen Beck.
OOPS

(AP)   A U.S. census worker found naked, bound with duct tape and hanging from a tree with "fed" scrawled on his chest killed himself but staged his death to make it look like a homicide, authorities said Tuesday.

Bill Sparkman, 51, was found strangled Sept. 12 with a rope around his neck near a cemetery in a heavily wooded area of the Daniel Boone National Forest in southeastern Kentucky. Authorities said his wrists were loosely bound, his glasses were taped to his head and he was gagged.

Kentucky State Police Capt. Lisa Rudzinski said an analysis found that "fed" was written "from the bottom up." He was touching the ground, and to survive "all Mr. Sparkman had to do at any time was stand up," she said.

Police who investigated the death of an eastern Kentucky census worker found naked, bound and hanging from a tree learned that he told a friend he intended to kill himself and that he had chosen the time, place and method to do it.

Police records about the death of Bill Sparkman were released Friday to The Associated Press.

Who are the hate mongers?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:46 AM

"The Tea Party movement has at its base a reaction to a Black President. Health Care has nothing to do with it."

Now THAT'S ABSOLUTELY STUPID!!! Black has nothing to do with it. I'm not a 'Tea Partier'...but really, when are the idiots going to stop using the racial prejudice bit???

Do you only change your tires when they blow out, too?

GfS

P.S. Now just WHO is using hate speech, as a tool???


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 08:45 AM

No, GfS... Strings is 100% correct... Black has everything to do with it... I live in the South and I know these people and how they feel... I hear it almost everyday... Maybe in the Northwest, where I think you live, folks may not be *as* racist but racism is institutional and the Reopulican and Tea parties understand this and understand that...

...angry people write checks!!!

(BTW, the "Angry People Write Checks" is mine... I came up with that one all on my own... Thinking about having bumper stickers made...)

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 08:57 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 10:31 AM

Good on you, Richard...

Whaddayathink about my "Angry People Write Checks" bumper sticker???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 10:54 AM

Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post remarks:

"For decades now, the most serious threat of domestic terrorism has come from the growing ranks of paranoid, anti-government hate groups that draw their inspiration, vocabulary and anger from the far right.

It is disingenuous for mainstream purveyors of incendiary far-right rhetoric to dismiss groups such as the Hutaree by saying that there are "crazies on both sides." This simply is not true.

There was a time when the far left was a spawning ground for political violence. The first big story I covered was the San Francisco trial of heiress Patricia Hearst, who had been kidnapped and eventually co-opted by the Symbionese Liberation Army -- a far-left group whose philosophy was as apocalyptic and incoherent as that of the Hutaree. There are aging radicals in Cuba today who got to Havana by hijacking airplanes in the 1970s. Left-wing radicals caused mayhem and took innocent lives.

But for the most part, far-left violence in this country has gone the way of the leisure suit and the AMC Gremlin. An anti-globalization movement, including a few window-smashing anarchists, was gaining traction at one point, but it quickly diminished after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. An environmental group and an animal-rights group have been linked with incidents of arson. Beyond those particulars, it is hard to identify any kind of leftist threat.

By contrast, there has been explosive growth among far-right, militia-type groups that identify themselves as white supremacists, "constitutionalists," tax protesters and religious soldiers determined to kill people to uphold "Christian" values. Most of the groups that posed a real danger, as the Hutaree allegedly did, have been infiltrated and dismantled by authorities before they could do any damage. But we should never forget that the worst act of domestic terrorism ever committed in this country was authored by a member of the government-hating right wing: Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City.

It is dishonest for right-wing commentators to insist on an equivalence that does not exist. ..."


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 05:38 PM

Yeah, me thinks that Eugene is on to somethin' here...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 02:49 AM

Well Well Well.

Seems like the one and only American citizen on the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorists list is ................

A. A Right Winger.

B. A Left Winger.

Write down your answers and turn them in to Perfesser Bobert for scoring.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 07:10 AM

Now that's purdy funny, Sawz...

Actually, I know one leftie who spent many years on the FBI's Top 10... His name is John Sinclair... Met him breifly in '69 at a Detroit anti-war rally and then again about 6 or 7 years ago... Seems he did about 8 years and during this time emersed himself inthe history of the blues and has become quite a blues historian and also has a radio show on the blues in Lousinana, if I am no mistaken... Might be southern Mississippi...

But really, wouldn't it make more sense that a leftie would make the government's Top Ten???

I mean, that is one point I have made over and over... When the right wing carried guns around with threathening signs at demostartions they get a "hoo-hum" from the cops... Let a leftie do the same and he will be either arrested or gunned down... We have a dual standard going here big-time...

BTW, the rightie gun nuts in Virginia have taken to gathering in their little gun nut circles, strappin on their heat and walking into family resturants in mass... I'd like to think it was like the black folks who did the same in in the 50's in sitting at lunvh counters but it's quite the opposite... Of course, to the rightie, they equate their right to turn a family restuarnt in to their little bullt pen and scare the hell outta old ladies and kids becasue they think it's their right as the same as black folks trying to get the right to just eat in a segregated resturant...

Oh, how couargous these guns nuts are, right???

Wrong... They are just a buunch of rude punks who couldn't win a fist fight with their sisters...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 09:16 AM

Bobert:

Enumerate the Right Wingers on the FBI terrorist list please.

Thank you.

And please continue projecting your hate and violence on people you disagree with while making apologies for the hateful and violent people you agree with.

Like Tookie Williams.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 07:46 PM

I don't take homework assignment from you squakz... I gave you one and refused to do it so we're even...

BTW, anyone know just how much actaul money is behind the organizing of the Tea Party??? I mean, first ya' throw in Dick Armey's lobbiest group that had pharma and insurance clients and then ya' thrown in all the FOX time, which BTW, ain't cheap... If they are airing a high profile football game you can drop a mill in a heartbeat with a few commercials...

I mean, no one really knows becuase it's no the kinda stuff that "freedom on information" coule ver get to but I'd venture tens of billions spent to organize this so-called grass-roots party and in the final anaylsis all it has done is pissed off alot of moderates and forced the Repubs to run from further right positions at a time when independents and moderates make up the the swing votes???

I donno if Dick Armey's lobby firm and FOX/FIX foresaw the ramifications of their invetsments???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 07:48 PM

Wierd phrasiology...

"Run toward more right positions from which to run" would be more accurate...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 10:33 AM

Bobert projecting hate on others simply because he disagrees with them:

"BTW, I don't think of NPR or PBS as "liberal"... Just because they aren't out there screaming for rednecks to kill Obama doesn't make them liberal... It just makes then, ahhhhhhh, civilized and sane"

Just who is "out there screaming for rednecks to kill Obama" Bobert?

By the logic, or lack thereof, of this statement by Bobert, any news source that is not "out there screaming for rednecks to kill Obama" is ahhhhhhh, civilized and sane.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 11:47 AM

From a report by the Council On Foreign Relations:
"The FBI reports that eight of the fourteen terrorist acts prevented between 2002 and 2005 were planned by right-wing groups. The others ranged from an anarchist plan to bomb a Coast Guard station, a prison-gang attempt to attack military and Jewish targets around Los Angeles, and a few people who attempted, individually, to establish ties with al-Qaeda."

and more:

"Although environmental extremists were responsible for nearly all the domestic terrorist attacks between 2002 and 2005, right-wing extremists are still considered the most dangerous to the United States, says the SPLC. Right-wing extremist attacks are planned to target people, and if successfully carried out, intend to kill many civilians. Ecoterrorist attacks, on the other hand, aim to sabotage the infrastructure of businesses and corporations that endanger the earth; the groups do not aim to kill massive amounts of people.
The FBI says right-wing extremists have the potential to carry out the most deadly domestic attacks since they have a tendency to amass weapons and explosives and have "a propensity for violence."


Please don't believe me - read the whole thing.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/9236/#p7


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 11:52 AM

While we are assigning homework, you ought to read this also:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/spring/rage-on-the-right

"The signs of growing radicalization are everywhere. Armed men have come to Obama speeches bearing signs suggesting that the "tree of liberty" needs to be "watered" with "the blood of tyrants." The Conservative Political Action Conference held this February was co-sponsored by groups like the John Birch Society, which believes President Eisenhower was a Communist agent, and Oath Keepers, a Patriot outfit formed last year that suggests, in thinly veiled language, that the government has secret plans to declare martial law and intern patriotic Americans in concentration camps. Politicians pandering to the antigovernment right in 37 states have introduced "Tenth Amendment Resolutions," based on the constitutional provision keeping all powers not explicitly given to the federal government with the states. And, at the "A Well Regulated Militia" website, a recent discussion of how to build "clandestine safe houses" to stay clear of the federal government included a conversation about how mass murderers like Timothy McVeigh and Olympics bomber Eric Rudolph were supposedly betrayed at such houses."


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 06:18 PM

Slawz.... You are getting more delussional by the day... Plus you OCD is way out of hand... I don't know what it was that yer shrink had you do the last couple of times that you were eat up obsessed with me but it's time to revisit that, man... No offense, but you are embarressing yourself here... Serious...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 03 Apr 10 - 02:48 PM

All you need to do Bobert is to answer the straight up question instead of running like pigs from a gun.

Just who is "out there screaming for re****ks to kill Obama"


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Apr 10 - 06:53 PM

http://newsone.com/nation/cganemccalla/video-pastor-says-if-you-kill-obama-its-not-murder/

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/pastor-wiley-drake-prays-for-obamas-death-and-orders-followers-to-do-the-same-is-wiley-drake-the-t/question-495595/


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Apr 10 - 07:50 PM

What, Slawz... You illiterate, 'er what??? Hey, when I guy straps a gun on his leg and holds up a sign that suggests strongly that the waters must be cleansed (or whatever that sign said to the same effect) outsaid a rally where Obam was going to speak that is, in these mass media days of 24/7 continuos news cycles, screaming to kill Obama...

Hey, yhou don't have to be a weatherman tyo tell which way the wind blows... If I had done the exact same thing (gun and sign) at a Bush rally I would have been either arrested ot shot... That is reality...

So when I say that redfnecks are screaming for Obama to be shot, yeah, when they are allowed to go to the lenghts that this redneck did and get away with it that is virtual screaming... Why screaming??? It was extreme behavior...

But of course, you being the literalist would wait until the mugger told you exactly what he was going to do if you didn't trn over yer wallet before doing so and gotten yer niave ass shot the heck up in your literalism... Have you lived in some kinda bubble all yer life... Don't you get anything if it isn't spelled out exactly the way that you can understand it??? Man, it must suck being you...

b~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 02:12 PM

Bobert:

What specifically did the sign say?

I would like to see it my self so I an make my own determinations. That is what you call questioning, critical thinking.

I saw one at a anti-bush rally that said "I am here to kill Bush, shoot me"

Was the person either arrested or shot?

You seem so tormented by these misconceptions of yours.

I see no evidence of this "screaming for re****ks to kill Obama" either real or otherwise.

And why is this undetected screaming directed at re****ks?

Here's scream: "kill all the rich people, break up their cars and apartments, bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's at."


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 03:04 PM

How is this sign Bobert?

Was the person arrested or shot?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 08:34 PM

I don't know what the sign said, Sawz... It was all over the news... It was some quote from the early 1800's I think... Heck, you can find it... Shoot, if there's one source on the planet that would be in conflict with something I have said then you'd find it... It wouldn't matter if it made any sense, was logical 'der none of that... You'd find it... I just ain't got time to go hunting fir it... But you know exactly what that sign said, 'er can find in in short order... I just ain't got lotta time on my hands these days... Too much homework... Cuttin' into my shine and pot time, too... I hate that... Back to the drawing table fir me... Meetings all tomorrow afternoon and have to have my drawings done tonight... Be a good Slawz and go find the sign... You can do it...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: ichMael
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 10:51 PM

Intolerance of Intolerance


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 08:07 AM

Any link that begins "Many liberals consider themselves as socialists" isn't going to lead to any greater truths, itchy... It's alot like geometry... You have therums that are given, such as the shortest distance between two points is a straught line... This cannot be proven to the best of my knowledge but in order for other things to work in geometry we assume that that therum is correct and can therefore build upon that as being a given... With me so far???

But now if we were to assume that the shortest distance between two points was a curved line and tried to build from there then at some point things would collapse because the foundation was mythology as opposed to reality...

So to build off a rather ignorant assumption that "many liberals consider themselves socialists" (whatever that word means to righties anyway) is going to get to conclusions that are not based on reality...

In other words... The above link is "bunk"... I consider myself to be a liberal/progressive and know lots of others who cinsider themselves liberal/progressives and I really don't remember any discussion with these folks were they said they considered themselves socialists...

Might of fact, this entire idea of "socialist" is something that the righties are concerned with becuase the right is very good at "demonizing" words and they have worn the term "liberal" out in terms of it having any real powers to get their lynch-mob mentality followers blood to boil... And so it's now onto "socialism"... Yeah, the right needs their boogie-men to keeep the redneck all lathered up and the new kid on the block is "socialism, socialist"... Oh, horrors... But if a word that most of the angry rednecks couldn't even give a functional defination of makes the rednecks write checks and vote for knotheads works for the puppeteers, then so be it. Socialism will just have to do until it is also worn out... Then it will be a new boogie-man word... And then another 'caause...

...angry people write checks!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 12:59 PM

Anybody who willingly helps someone they're not related to is a socialist. Which is why the "religious right" has such a headache -- they are told they can't be socialists by their masters, and yet their real Master told them otherwise. Glen Beck said it best: they can't serve two masters. Either renounce Jesus or renounce the anti-socialist rhetoric of the Republican overlords. Glad I'm not on the Religious Right -- I hate solving that kind of dilemma.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 10:24 PM

Good point, mouse... Yeah, the evangelicals believe that it is our Christain duty to help those less fortunate... And, yeah, churches do alot of the heavy lifting but at the end of the day the churches are no match for a nation with 35 million (minimum) people living in poverty... So enter "the government"... Food Satmsp and Fuel Assistence and Section VIII Housing and, and... All worthy in the teachings of Jesus, who BTW would be a big time leftie if He were among US today...

But the other issue where the evangelicals join with the left is on taking care of our planet... Many have become pretty striong environmentalists... But I'm talkin' about folks who truely believe...

The problem is that there is a split within the right... You have the knothead Tea Party people you are just plain ignorant and willing to follow Sarah Palin to the gates of hell and then you have learned Christains who spend time with their Bible everyday and have gotten beyond the Old testament and are trying to live lives that Jesus called for them to live and they are in a major quandry these days... To their right are knotheads and to their the left, ahhhhhh, some very suspicious people who they ***have heard*** are all heathens???

Messed up little deal they have goin'...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 10:49 PM

First Bobert ain't got no time for fact checking but then all of a sudden he's got time for two more posts ***screaming*** for lefties to kill Glen Beck and Sarah Palin in a lynch mob.

The sign the guy was totin' was a quote from Thomas Jefferson.

And by the way, most people use Autocad these days.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 11:43 PM

I don't use Autocad, and none of my friends do. What you talkin' 'bout, Willis?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Apr 10 - 07:50 AM

Jeeze... Guess I need to cut down on my shine intake 'cause I don't recall ever screaming (or otherwise) for anyone to kill Sarah Palin or Glen Beck???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Apr 10 - 10:46 PM

Plus, I been playing geetar all night an' was workin' on some mindless riff that just needs repetition... Ya'll musicans know what I mean... And I was thinkin' about Tea Party folks and then I started thinking about Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World" and it all came into focus...

What we have here is the "Epsilon Revolt"!!!

Yeah, purdy scarey concept but stranger things have happened???

Just think about it...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 12:41 AM

It's all in code. Only the killers know the code. Sorta like dog whistle politics.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 07:59 AM

See you've got yer tin-foli hat on again, Sawz...


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 10:47 PM

As for code... I'd rather have a bigot come out and say, "I hate _____________ (insert race or creed) than to hear self-righteous bigot's talk just how enlightened they are about race... I heard that song so many times I could recite in my sleep... Problem is that when a black man is elected these folks find all of these faults with stuff that he has done which his predessor did, too...

One such bigot at another website had the self-righteous balls to say that Obama's adiminstration was the most secretive in American history??? After three day, mind you????

So I confronted that individual about "codified racism" and there was a big blow there and so I just don't need to go there anymore...

I mean, making a comment after three days that Obama's administartion was this or that??? Three friggin' day's, folks... No a month... 3 days... I mean, how does one come up with that kinda thinkin' after 3 days??? Well, there certainly can't be anything in the way of clear, critical thinkin' goin' one here so...

...ahhhh, maybe they didn't like Obama's tie??? No, it was his shoes??? I donno...

So, fir anyone actually reading this (other than me and sawz), this is a little history of when Saw's makes these references to "code" or "codified" in his daily attack posts against me...

BTW...

(Boberdz, Boberdz... No one is reading any of this except Sawz... Nah, he probably gave up long ago 'cause it's cutting into his obsession time creating the new 'n improved Bobert slam...)

Yeah, yer probably right...

Guess the bottom line is this... I stand behind what I said at that other website and I'd ask Sawz that if he planned on using stuff against me that was written elsewhere to please reference it so that folks can go there and judge for themselves the body of my work... That is just basic journalistic courtesy...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 12 Apr 10 - 10:59 AM

Bobert: You are singing the song. Bobert's song. He hates him, somebody wants somebody to kill somebody.

Do you believe people should treat Obama different?

I don't because to do so would be bigoted and racist.

I don't really care about his shoes or his tie, just his actions.

Bigots and racists are the ones that need to play the race card.

When Obama was elected I was thinking this would finally end the race issue and that is good. Problem is, some people don't want it to end. They want to bring it into everything. They miss the 60's. The glory days.

I can understand your enthusiasm over have Obama as president. Are you going to apply the same standards that you would apply to anyone else?

When Bush said something you disagreed with it was a lie.

Killing innocent women and children in a war that is undeclared in a country we are not even at war with was a war crime when Bush did it.

When Obama makes a campaign promise and breaks it you explain it away with somebodys sweet tater pie. How cozy and innocent that deception was.

When Obama orders up some more drones to strike villages in Pakistan over the TV. That is suddenly a minor detail.

I see the good things he does as well as the not so good.

Example:

When it became apparent that Rev Wright was a racist, he publicly separated him self from Wright's views. That took guts:

"But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

As such, Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems - two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all."

Are you expressing a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic Bobert?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Apr 10 - 01:45 PM

Problem is, some people don't want it to end.

Well, that sentence at least appears pretty evidently true.

I note that the Teabaggers have decided to hold big anti-Obama rallies over your country on the very same day as the 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City Bombing. Charming people.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 12 Apr 10 - 04:28 PM

Teabaggers probably can't even spell anniversary.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Apr 10 - 07:51 PM

Bullshit, Saws... You have been a Bushite ever since you dropped yer "Dickey" handle, where you were also a Bushite since you dropped yer "Old Guy" handle, where you were also a Bushite...

Now yer this Obama-ite Democrat???

What??? Do the folks here have "friggin' Moron" written on their faces???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Apr 10 - 09:15 AM

and now its

Springtime for Fairfax and tea parties
Winter for Barak and Feds
We will reload and threaten death
We are all tired of massive debt


yes folks the new confederacy is on the rise and will put all those uppity blacks where they belong.

At the head of our armed demonstration in Fairfax Virginia, as close to the capitol that we can legaly get, will be our new banner made by our fearless leader. http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/teapartyflag4.jpg


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Apr 10 - 03:02 PM

Again, Nobody is wrong all the time and nobody is right all the time.

Bobert has no answers, just rhetoric to sidestep the issues. He runs like pigs from a gun.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Apr 10 - 06:57 PM

No, Sawz... I sidestep yer bullshit ballgames...

You are the one with no answers... I asked you to provide a budget for a familty of 4 living at the poverty level but...

...yer too busy??? Geeze, ya' got plenty of time to attack everything I write here but too busy to answer one simple question???

Hmmmmmmmm???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Stringsinger
Date: 14 Apr 10 - 02:59 PM

Fascism is defined as the marriage between government and corporations. The latter influence the former and the media is corporate controlled that dispenses information.

Fascism is often the product of a populist uprising that occurs when jobs are scarce and
the pitchfork and torch brigade are looking for scapegoats.

In Germany, it was intellectuals, Jews, liberals, Gypsies and foreigners of color, communists, and anyone who wasn't considered to be "patriotic" or "Christian".

It's not just the KKK, here.

Take a good look at the Tea Party. White angry faces, jobless, exploited by corporate greed, a government that remains somewhat passive in dealing with these issues,
and an unregulated "marketplace" which disenfranchises many who have become homeless.

This reaction is predictable since Capitalism as we know it has turned sour.

Fascism is possible in the U.S. FDR fought it the best way he knew how by challenging
corporations and regulating the so-called "Free Market" which isn't free but operates through consensus and manipulation by corporations. The "Free Market" is a euphemism
that stands for the goals of fascism by weakening the regulatory power of the government and combining with it to keep the power base wealthy and dictatorial.

The so-calledTea Party movement is a prelude for American fascism. They are unwittingly supporting the banksters and the manipulating propaganda of the GOP. They won't face
the real problem, the system that we call Capitalism today is not working.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Apr 10 - 06:36 PM

Yer right, strings... A bunch of angry white people, most of whom are toward the shallow end of the gene pool, being manipulated into fighting the very people who are trying to get government to work for them against the people who are manipulating them???

The silver spooners have the plastic spooner down pat...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 01:06 AM

Foes Of Tea Party Movement To Infiltrate Rallies NPR

Opponents of the fiscally conservative tea party movement say they plan to infiltrate and dismantle the political group by trying to make its members appear to be racist, homophobic and moronic.

Jason Levin, creator of http://www.crashtheteaparty.org, said Monday the group has 65 leaders in major cities across the country who are trying to recruit members to infiltrate tea party events for April 15 — tax filing day, when tea party groups across the country are planning to gather and protest high taxes.

"Every time we have someone on camera saying that Barack Obama isn't an American citizen, we want someone sitting next to him saying, 'That's right, he's an alien from outer space!'" Levin said.

Tea party members said the backlash comes from ignorance.

"They can't actually debate our message and that's their problem," said Bob MacGuffie, a Connecticut organizer for Right Principles, a tea party group that also has members in New York and New Jersey.

The tea party movement generally unites on the fiscally conservative principles of small government, lower taxes and less spending. Beyond that the ideology of the people involved tends to vary dramatically.

Levin says they want to exaggerate the group's least appealing qualities, further distance the tea party from mainstream America and damage the public's opinion of them.

"Do I think every member of the tea party is a homophobe, racist or a moron? No, absolutely not," Levin said. "Do I think most of them are homophobes, racists or morons? Absolutely."

The site manifesto says they want to dismantle the Tea Party by nonviolent means. "We have already sat quietly in their meetings, and observed their rallies," the site said.

Another tea party organizer said the attempt to destroy the movement was evidence its message is resonating.

"We've been ignored, we've been ridiculed. Well, now they're coming after us," said Judy Pepenella, a co-coordinator for the New York State Tea Party. "Gandhi's quote is one we understand: 'First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.'"


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 01:29 AM

Bobert says that "to provide a budget for a familty of 4 living at the poverty level" is one simple question.

Who agrees with that? Who even thinks it is a question?

Here is how Bobert demands answers from others as well as an example of his bullying, badgering and accusing others of racism and hatred just because he disagrees with them:

Subject: RE: BS: Pennsylvania Primary...
From: Bobert - PM
Date: 26 Apr 08 - 07:46 PM

Well gol danged, Fantz... What got under yer skin???

Perhaps you'd like to post how McCain and McClinton voted???

Nah, that would go against yer racist attacks on Obama...

You don't like the term "racist"???

Too bad...

Until you become an equal opportunity attack machine and since you won't answer my many questions about you apparent hate for Obama the only thing that I can ses is that you don't like him because he is black...

...or you'd come clean on your hatred for him...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 08:54 PM

Sawz "shootin his regular" (street for S.O.S. = Same old shit)...

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Sawz continues to sandbag on my request to initiate the "cordial discussion" that ***he says*** he wants to have... Normal for Sawz these days... Wants to have "cordial discussions" but refuses to have "cordial discussions"???

(((Yawn)))

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 01:23 PM

"My Stats prof in college spent an entire hour on how polls can be manipulated... Musta been a very interesting hour, I might add, 'cause it has stuck with me along time"

"The Repubs have an edge in the polls as being a party that deals with miliatry and law inforcment issues"

"Keep in mind that the week before 9/11 Bush had the lowest approval rating of any president since such polls have been taken"

"You ain't gonna hear a bunch of stats outta me 'cause I don't need 'um"

"I hate it that 1 in 5 children go hungry at night"

"The claim of 1 in 5 children go to bed hungry is from statistics provided by, ahhhhhh, the leftie U.S.D.A!!!

Google "1 in 5 Children Hungry" for deatils...

Don'tcha just *hate* it when ol' hillbilly knows what the heck he's talkin' about??? lol..."

"Seems a couple folks here have used government stats, without the staistical interpretation"

"Consider these stats: 1. 16 "red' states, that combined have less population than one single blue state "


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 May 10 - 07:16 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 May 10 - 08:28 PM

Hey, beat that dead horce one more time, BB.

Or as an alternative, get a life.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 21 May 10 - 09:27 PM

Well, seems that this Paul feller kinda let the horse outta the barn... Said that a business owner had a right to refuse service to anyone he or she wanted... Hey, wasn't that what the the black folks who sat in at the Woolworth's lunch counter were against???

Seems the real colors (pun intended) of the Tea Partier are showin' thru...

b~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 21 May 10 - 11:01 PM

Didn't take long, all things considered, for their true nature to shine forth. Although the wise knew a long time ago what it was all about.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 21 May 10 - 11:08 PM

Yeah, after Paul's jaw-droppin' assertions on the rights of business owners I find it incredulous that bruce would be resurrecting these threads...

I mean, this has not been a good couple of days for the righties... I think if I were bruce, unless he is completely unaware of Paul's proclamations, I'd be lying low...

B???


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 21 May 10 - 11:35 PM

Did you know the Texas School Board Thing was going to change the state history curriculum such that the slave trade would be called the "Atlantic triangle trade"? They backed down from that ultimately, although they did pass most of the changes they were talking about, including teaching a bunch of neocon economic theory as historical fact.

Intelligence is really not as common as I once thought.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: LadyJean
Date: 21 May 10 - 11:52 PM

Two Tea Party Candidates get themselves their party's nominations. The Rand Paul says he opposes part of the civil rights act. (Political suicide.) and another one refers to Allah as "A Monkey God", then appolgizes to Hindues, who do, indeed, worship Lord Hanuman the monkey god.
I would never call Tea Partiers rednecks. I dislike the term, and anyway it doesn't apply. Terms that apply include; wingnuts, whack a moles, screwballs, loons, nutcases and fruitcakes.
Dwight Eisnehower is spinning in his grave, I'm sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 21 May 10 - 11:58 PM

Not to mention Teddy Roosevelt.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 22 May 10 - 08:12 AM

Heck, not to mention Richard Nixon, for that matter... That's how far the right has come in it's move to turn back the clock... I'm just wondering what year they would be happy with??? Maybe 1860???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 22 May 10 - 05:07 PM

I've long said the Democratic party of today is at the same point on the left-right scale as the Republican party of 1972, and the Republican party of today is at the same point on the left-right scale as the John Birch Society of 1972.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bill D
Date: 22 May 10 - 05:22 PM

I don't spend as many hours on this as I once did, and I have a craft show coming up that demands my attention, and I had almost forgotten this thread, as I had avoided it once it became a Bobert/Sawzaw ping-pong match...
but I will note that BB refreshed this thread 'primarily' to show that someone DID use 'KKK' in the same way HE used 'brownshirts' to title HIS thread. In that he is correct, and I dearly wish NO one would resort to those uses of terms to imply things that aren't true...(I note that *I* posted up there ^ that it was very doubtful the KKK was involved.)

This being said, it doesn't justify BB using similar tactics, and just plays into HIS assertions that there is a double-standard.(He misuses the argument, but no one...including Bobert...should give him any ammunition to use it at all.)
Does the old adage "Two wrongs don't make a right." mean ANYTHING to anyone...Bobert..beardedbruce?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 22 May 10 - 05:41 PM

There's a big difference here, Bill, that I think you'll see if you look at some basic facts...

Fact: I started a thread about the Tea Party in terms of how similar it is to the KKK

Fact: One of it's darlings from Kentucy who was backed by the Tea Party folks for the US Senate has publicly stated that it is the right of any business owner to refuse service to anyone that business owner doesn't like...

Fact: these were the arguments made by the Woolworth's of the US in the 1950s...

Summation: Yes, there are similarities between what those in the Tea Party believe and what those in the KKK exposed some 60 years ago

Now as for Obama being a Nazi:

Fact: George Bush started two wars, one definately a war of choice meaning that it wasn't necessary... From those wars upwards of a million people have been killed...

Fact: Hitler and the Nazi's also killed alot of people... Upwards of 8 million people

Fact: Obama has not started any wars...

Summation: Looking strictly at the murdering of people, George Bush can be compared to Hitler and the Nazis... Obama can't...

So, bottom line, unless there is something missing in my logic it was perfectly okay for me to equate the Tea Party to the KKK and illogical for bruce to equate Obama with Hitler or the Nazis...

Further more, there is one right winged TV guy, Glen Beck, who has been pushing his followers to do as bruce has done in trying to frame Obama as a Nazi...

Furhter summation: This isn't about tit-for-tat... It's about a concerted effort by the right wing to put moderates and progressives on the defense... Oldest trick in the book... It won't work... Obama is no more a Nazi than Ann Frank yet there is at least one Tea Praty Senate candidate who has publicly stated positions very similar to those of the KKK...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 22 May 10 - 05:50 PM

George Bush started wars
The Nazis started wars
------------------------
Therefore..... George Bush was a Nazi?

The logic is sadly lacking here. Fallacy of the undistributed middle term.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bill D
Date: 22 May 10 - 06:16 PM

"Fact: I started a thread about the Tea Party in terms of how similar it is to the KKK.."

Sorry Bobert, but I don't buy that one....you'd have to stretch the metaphor pretty thin to sell it. While I totally agree with most of your ideals and positions, you can't just refer in an off-hand way to a presumed connection like that.

Do the Teapartyers and the KKK have 'some' similar logic and 'some' similar attitudes? Sure....but that wasn't clarified OR explained sufficiently in your first post. "Hating Obama" is 'maybe' true of some of them, but even that, IF it were true, doesn't raise it to KKK status. You can't get so outraged that you resort to tossing off the wost label you can think of, or you end up playing THEIR game. THEY call Obama names and make stupid references...and as long as THEY are doing it, WE can shame THEM.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 08:33 PM

Well Well Well

After Bobert done worked his poor typin' fangers down to tha bone trying to paint the Tea Party as racist killers, tha NAACP has undone all his all his good work.

Maybe his Breitbart style hit job will work on some other group that he hates like Fox.

The Washington Post: The president of the NAACP affirmed that the Tea Party movement is not racist. His organization urged Tea Party leaders to publicly condemn the movement's racist elements -- which the Tea Party Federation did almost immediately.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 08:46 PM

Michael Gerson??? Holly molly... Now here's a real open minded individual...

Not...

Do you know who Michael Gerson is, Saws???

But, hey, if the Tea Party wants to denounce racism that's a great start since it is composed mostly of folks who have had hatred of black folks passed down from generation to generation...

Yeah, I think the Tea Party, sans the rednecks and Jim Crowers, might be a party with whom alot of folks could relate... Not me, of course because I don't think that it is all that easy to lower the federal profile without addin' another 10% of the population to the poverty ranks...

b~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 09:39 PM

Now after Bobert has failed his mission, he attacks the person instead of the facts.

Ad hominem logical fallacy 101.

Howdy Doody could do a better job of analyzing the information.

But that is typical of people on "your side"


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 02 Aug 10 - 06:47 AM

Hmmm. This is certainly the language of a bigot:

"But that is typical of people on "your side" "

Remember the infamous "you people"?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Aug 10 - 08:20 AM

What, TIA??? Saws a "bigot"??? lol...

Actually, we didn't have folks routinely callin' one another "bigots" here in Mudville until Saws decided that folks who disagree with him are "bigots"... Personally??? I'd rather go back to the old days when folks were a little more civil, Martin G being the exception...

I mean, I have no problems with the term... It's just when it is used personally here against other members it shuts down discussion...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 Aug 10 - 01:56 PM

The "your side" is adopted from Bobert's frequent use of the term.

He usually says "yer side".

So if my use of the term is a sign of bigotry so is Bobert's use of the term.

Bobert:

"you've chosen yer side"
"Yer side has been shown to be on the wrong side "
"he is hurtin' yer side big time"
"As far as debating points, this is a "zero" for yer side."
"maybe you think that yer side is pulling its wieght"
"it is yer side that is busily tryin' to do the revsionism"
"All were in response to yer sides relentless PR drumbeat"
"our side just happens to be skunkin' yer side"
"If there's any racism here it's on yer side"
"yer side is filled with porclamation but short on facts"

So which "side" is TIA on?

Or is it bigoted to be on one side or the other?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 Aug 10 - 02:02 PM

Well Well Well.

It looks like a lot of people are tryin' ta undo Bobert's heroic efforts to brand tha Tea Party as a bunch o' racist killers.

Which side is this guy on anyway?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 07 Aug 10 - 02:07 PM

Maybe "jingoist" is a better term.

BEsides--people don't usually 'fess up to racism. However it is [pretty clear, Sawz, that this guy and those he is speaking to don't qualify as racist.

That does not mean that some Tea Party sects haven't been pretty slanted and vitriolic. I think the Coffee Party has a much better approach.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Aug 10 - 09:48 AM

Yeah, the Tea Party has been challenged to denounce racism by the NAACP and their response??? Nuthin'... And more nuthin'...

BTW, I don't see usin' the term "yer side" as being racist or bigoted??? Just reality that there are two distinctive camps in this country... One is pro-human... The other is pro-corporate... I don't need to point out which side I'm on and which side folks like Sawz are on...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Oct 10 - 02:24 PM

Yeah, the Tea Party has been challenged to denounce racism by the NAACP and their response??? Nuthin'... And more nuthin'...


Webb appeared on the CBS program Sunday morning to announce that Williams and the Tea Party Express -- which has held a series of events across the country to generate support for the movement -- no longer were part of the National Tea Party Federation.

"We, in the last 24 hours, have expelled Tea Party Express and Mark Williams from the National Tea Party Federation because of the letter that he wrote," Webb said of Williams' blog post that satirized a fictional letter from what he called "Colored People" to President Abraham Lincoln.

NAACP President Ben Jealous met Williams' statement by telling CNN, "Good riddance, Mark Williams." But he praised Tea Party activists like Webb, who is African-American, for standing up and "self-policing" their movement.

"As the movement grows up, you have to act responsibly and they have to keep doing what they just did to Mark Williams and make it clear there is no space for bigots here, period," Jealous said.


Please pay attention Bobert.

Also I did not say using the term "your side" is racist or bigoted. Tia made that assertion.

Certainly to claim one person's use of the term is not bigoted but that another person's use of it is not bigoted, is bigoted.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 10 Oct 10 - 02:26 PM

Dates, Sawz?


Or don't you believe in them?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Oct 10 - 03:20 PM

"Last night, a member of the National Tea Party Federation communicated our decision directly to a member of the leadership team of Tea Party Express. That leader's response was clear: they have no intention of taking the action we required for their group to continue as a member of the National Tea Party Federation," the Saturday press release states. "Therefore, effective immediately the National Tea Party Federation is expelling Tea Party Express from the ranks of our membership."

"You are the only national Tea Party leader who I've seen come out and publicly state the things that you've stated. And taking on Mark Williams was much appreciated," Jealous said.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Oct 10 - 03:26 PM

Dear Amos:

Do you ask Bobert for dates? Or do you require dates from certian people and not from other people?

Are you some how biased and not really fair and balanced after all?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,Bobert on the road
Date: 10 Oct 10 - 08:29 PM

You are a total ass, Sawz...

When you use the term bigot to mean anyone who disagrees with you or points out there are different sides of issues you are all but calling Dr, Martin Luther King a "nigger"...

The term ain't for your racist side to go throwing 'round... You haven't paid the price to be able to use that term...

You are a disgusting racist for trying to co-opt a term that one heck of a lot of folks spilled blood over...

But like I have pointed out to you before: Take this thread to a professor or race studies... They will try to get the concept into your racist head... Square business...

Right now??? You sound like the Grand Wizard of Mudcat... A real certified racist ass...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,Bobert, on the road...
Date: 10 Oct 10 - 08:32 PM

BTW... The reason you won't take this thread to a professor on race studies is because you are a coward and don't want someone who understand the struggled of the civil rights movement or the historical significance of the word "bigot" to tell you exactly what I have been telling you...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 10 Oct 10 - 10:17 PM

Sawz:

Oh, get real. Don't double-down on being a dipshit. If you post something you think is going to make Obama or anyone else look bad, but it turns out to be "news" from a year ago, you end up looking a fool. If you include the date at least it is possible to assume you are trying to be honest.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Oct 10 - 07:58 AM

You have described Sawz to a T, GUEST, and perhaps revealed your own feelings on the civil rights struggle...

BTW, I have pointed out to Swaz on many occasions that throwing the term "bigot" out lightly disrespects the folks, myself included, who were/are part of the struggle to overcome our racist history...

I thought that the message had gotten thru to Sawa, et al, 'cause it's been awhile since he has used the word so cavalierly... Guess that isn't the case... Ain't no middle ground here... Just like white folks called black folks nigger... Wrong is wrong...

BTW, GUEST... Me thinks that yo are either Sawz (which wouldn't surprise me), another racist or someone who has clearly not read all of this thread...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: theleveller
Date: 11 Oct 10 - 08:29 AM

The Tea Party have formed an alliance with the nazi group The English Defence League. If it talks like a nazi, acts like a nazi and has friends who are nazis, in my book, it's a nazi.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/oct/10/english-defence-league-tea-party


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Oct 10 - 10:33 PM

too busy to answer one simple question??? I must have missed it Bobert, What was the question?

And why are you using the racist word N****r again and why are you trying to say I said it?

Please define a bigot.

Here is my definition: A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.

Amos: "If you include the date at least it is possible to assume you are trying to be honest." Tell that to Bobert.

"understand the struggled of the civil rights movement" I think the Republicans who finally overpowered the racist Democrats struggled to get the civil rights laws passed and then the the bus riders struggled with the racist Democrats in the south who fought the new laws.

Good job, the racist Democrats were defeated at last and Dr King could say "Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!".


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Oct 10 - 10:57 PM

I've defined "bigot", Sawz, but fir you I'll define it again... In spite of Webster's pre-civil right's movement definition a bigot is someone who pre"judges" people based on those people's race, religious preference or sexual orientation...

Those are "bigots"...

For anyone to think they can just throw around the word "bigot" to anyone who disagrees with them is shamefull... But, no... It is beyond shamefull... It is a "bigoted" ***response" to the people who have worked so hard --- and put their lives on the lone --- to fight the good fight for ***civil*** rights... It is like calling Dr. King or Medger Evers niggers...

In short, people who have not put any peas in the pot, I mean, walke0d the walk, gone to jail (both of which I have done) for the struggle of civil rights have not earned the right to use the word "bigot" against anyone... Period!!! You walk the walk then you have ***earned*** that right... But, more importantly, when yo use it you have the real life experiences to understand that we don't just go throwing "bigot" around lightly... It is a special word that conveys a special kind of prejudice and intolerance... Not just disagreements over health care or taxes...

This is why I will fight you or anyone else who routinely throws this word out to mean any disagreements over policies or politics...

It is a word that those of us who have been on the front lines in our lives are not willing to turnover to right winged idealogues either here or anywhere without a major fight so...

... ya'll can keep fighting to co-opt it and I'll continue to call you down on it as long as there is breath in my body... Ain't yer word!!! Especially they way you think it's okay to co-opt it...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 12 Oct 10 - 01:14 AM

"who pre"judges" people based on those people's race"

That is precisely what you did when you indicate "a bunch of white people" hate Obama. What does white have to do with it?

"have not earned the right to use the word "bigot" against anyone... Period!!!"

That is so wrong in so many ways.

You are determining other people's rights?

Get a grip.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 12 Oct 10 - 01:42 AM

"The reason you won't take this thread to a professor on race studies is because you are a coward and don't want someone who understand the struggled of the civil rights movement or the historical significance of the word "bigot" to tell you exactly what I have been telling you"

Take it to whom Bobert?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Oct 10 - 07:51 AM

Ain't pre-judgin' on my part, Sawz... We ont the left have seen this movie before... No!!! Not just seen but been in that movie... Ya' see, (and this is something you can't understand because you have not been in the middle of that movie) there is a lot of code words that people of "hate" use over and over and over and so having been thru this in a very involved manner when we hear these words and phrases the "red light" lights up automatically....

Phrases like "get the government out of our lives" has racist code drippin' all over it... It is the same language that the Klan and John Bircherd used in the 50s and 60s... Exact same... Hmmmmmm??? Talk of succession??? When did we last hear of that and what was implied there???

So, it isn't "pre"juding" you are hearing from me.... It is a well earned bias... Bias's are learned... I mean, we put our hand on a hot stove and get burned so we don't repeat that... That, in essence, is a learned bias...

So, yeah, you have my full permission and blessing to say that I am biased when I see a band of white people who are using phrases and/or behaviors that are the exact same as their daddies and grand daddies used to fight against racial equality... I will own up to that...

But I really don't expect you to have any understanding because, no offense, but you are ignorant to these things... It's a lot easier for you, and lots of other white people, to sing the fight song that is put in your heads by the powerful and rich who want to stay that way and use divisive issues to do exactly that...

Too bad for you... I mean, you argue so forcefully but when it comes to having any understanding of the realities of the civil rights movement yer tank is empty...

Square business...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Oct 10 - 02:00 AM

"a band of white people"

Racist statement. Take out the white and put in b***k and see how it plays in Peoria.

Did you take an acid trip on da bus? 'Cause your brain has molded itself to the 1960s and that bus like a fried egg stuck in an ungreased skillet.

50 years has passed Bobert. Time to catch up.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Oct 10 - 07:47 AM

Taken completely out of context, Sawz... Try again or include the rest of the post...

Man, you are graspin' at straws here, son...

As for catching up, Sawz... It's kinda like that bridge to the new millenium that Bill Clinton was talking about... Me thinks you never got over the the Civil Rights Bridge back in the 60's and need to go back and and do a re-do... Take the rest of you Tea Baggers with ya' 'cause ya'll need a major refresher...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Oct 10 - 11:39 PM

"The red***ks are getting to be rather disgusting little hypocrits...
"

"The ret**rds are getting to be rather disgusting little hypocrits...
"

"The hil****ies are getting to be rather disgusting little hypocrits...
"

"The mex***ns are getting to be rather disgusting little hypocrits...
"

Send that to the Professor of race studies and ask him which one is not bigoted.

I think you have never gotten over the bridge. You want the 60's to continue on because it was your glory days.

At least two generations have come along but you want to keep the racist thing going. Maybe after the next generation there won't be any die hards left to keep promoting the racist thing.

"Now let me tell you junior. He hates him because of his race and that guy over there wants to kill the other guy and anybody that disagrees with Obama is a racist. Got it? Betcha didn't know that. Yeah, and I hate those people that hate somebody. And don't ever forget that bad word that nobody is supposed to use. It starts with N"


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 01:47 PM

Andrea Mitchell: Interesting images today. Barack Obama, Mark Warner in southwest Virginia. This is real redneck, sort of, bordering on Appalachia country. This is not the Northern Virginia, you know, sort of high-tech corridor. And these are voters that he would not logically be, you know, gravitating to. This is the beginning of a pivot.

MSNBC anchor Andrea Mitchell apologized today for calling southwest Virginia, "real redneck" country. Toward the end of her 1pmET hour, she said, "I owe an apology to the good people of Bristol, Virginia for something stupid that I said."


List of ethnic slurs

The following is a list of ethnic slurs (ethnophaulisms) that are, or have been, used as insinuations or allegations about members of a given ethnicity or to refer to them in a derogatory (critical or disrespectful), pejorative (disapproving or contemptuous), or insulting manner in the English-speaking world. For the purposes of this list, an ethnic slur is a term or word[s] used to insult on the basis of race, ethnicity, or nationality. Each term is listed followed by its country or region of usage, a definition, and a reference to that term.

Redneck
    In the US, the term is offensive to many, and refers to Southern laborer-class whites.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 08:17 PM

Like I have said, Sawz... Take these ***entire*** threads to the the good professor of race studies...

And if you are going to quote me then please don't do it out of context... That is nuthin' but bullshit on yer part and you know it...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 09:48 AM

Like I have said Bobert, Whom? Exactly what do you want me to ask them?

The ball is in your court.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 06:58 PM

Well, Sawz... You seem to have a fascination with small bits and pieces of my posts as you post them over and over as if they in themselves define what I have been trying to get thru to you... So I'd like you to ask them to read the thread and after they have they will know what it is that they need to explain to you about "ism"...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 07:39 PM

bOBERT You have the patience of a saint.

http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/don/cutmiddleman3.jpg


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 08:22 PM

Yes. Saints are so much better than those rather disgusting little redn**k hypocrites and they can call people dumb ass stupid assholes because they disagree with them.

And they are the only ones that have the right to use certain words.

Words of a tolerant, civilized, rational person:

"Imho, "us against them" is less likely to be effective than looking for common ground and respecting valid differences.

None of us has a corner on the market of truth or reality. "


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 08:46 PM

Exhibit #2874 and counting, Sawz, that you don't, ahhhhhh, get it...

Rednecks ain't about "ism"... It's about a segment of the white populace who are eat up dumbasses... And so proud of it that they spend the money that their mama gave them to by food for bigass decals that the proudly display on the back windows of their pickup trucks that read "Redneck"...

Hey, I can tolerate 'um just fine... Lotta of them is my friends... I got huntin' with a few of them... I get my pot from them... I hang out with them... I mean, this ain't at all about toleratin' dumbass white people... It's about not wanting them polluting Tom Jefferson's experiement with dumbass votes that really don't have any relationship with "informed" electorate... I mean, voting to rednecks has nuthin' to do with knowledge... Voting is like a sporting event to them... Just like a NASCAR race... They all been told by Boss Hog to vote fir Repubs unlesd they want to be seen as pinhead, educated "elitists" and so they do... Kinda like rooting fir the 88 car...

A Redneck can not tell you the 3 branches of government... Heck, half of 'um think NASCAR has to be one of 'um three... No??? Sheet fire... I would swored NASCAR was one... How about Budweiser?? That one??? Guess again, Bubba...

You must not really know to many renecks, do ya' Saws??? Shedet fire, spon... I known and lived wid 'um all my life...

That ain't intolerance on my part... It's just simple observation... Don't thin so??? Tell ya' what, Sawz... Bring yer butt on down to Page County, Virginny an; ol' hillbilly introduce you to a few of 'um... You can ask 'um the questions that you think Tom Jefferson would accept as the very basics of what "informed" means... Then maybe you'll have a larger world view of this country... Right now, I kinda see you as this elitist who thinks that I don't know squat about the stuff I talk about... Sheet fire, son... I gotta a PhD in rednecks and squat... Might of fact, me and Al Gore invented squat... Sho nuff did...

Now I'll do that fir you... You know, introduce you to some of my friends if you'll take this thread to a professor on race studies...

Deal???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 09:33 PM

For all you know Bobert, I could be a Redn**k.

To use the term especially in a condescending way as in "disgusting little hypocrites" is at best offensive.

You, who claims everybody should be treated equal?

Other people have used the term and had to apologize later.

You use it to intentionally be offensive and then you ride a high horse about having earned the right to do so.

I think you are being mean spirited as if you have an axe to grind.

You dare anybody to try to prove you wrong and squeal like a stuck pig when someone takes you up on your dare.

Anybody that says you are wrong is just another right wing nutjob spewing out lies from a right wing blogsite according to you.

Other than that you are OK. Maybe even better than OK. Slightly.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 11:03 PM

Nah, Sawz, you ain't no redneck... Jus' a corporate shill... Yoare what I think of as a "handler"... You know, the folks that pull the strings and levers on Redneck Nation... You fully understand that you can either stay rich or keep yer bosses rich my mobilizin' Redneck Nation to vote for you and yer bosses...

Heck, that ain't all that hard...

But do you really know rednecks as people... I do... I doubt that you do... I doubt that you'd be able to do what I00 do around rednecks... I mean, I live with rednecks, party with 'um, play a little music with 'um, get high with 'um, get drunk with 'um... That ain't no brag... Just fact...

Ain't no axe to grind, Sawz... Ain't no high horse...

What I know is that, yeah, I gotta lotta redneck in me... I can gut and butcher a deer in less than 15 minutes... I like my shine... I like my pot... I got pictures of the race cars I done raced on my walls... But I also got an friggin' education and I understand alot of stuff that my redneck friends is way the heck over their heads...

I mean, I understand that they are being manipulated by yer guys to votes against their own interests... No matter how I try to tell 'um that they just make jokes about it... I mean, I understand that these folks ain't gonna listen to "that shit" from me... I mean, ignorance is a terrible thing 'cause peoples who ain't got no education ain't gonna change... They is what they is...

I mean, I loves 'um but they ain't gonna change... They gonna do dumbass stuff and do time in jail... They gonna vote like Boss Hog wants them to 'cause all their friend say ol' Bobert might be okay but he he ain't right so just vote fir the Republican guy...

That ain't no high horse... Maybe a low horse... I mean, if you find anyone tell you that I ain't who I say I am then you got right to say I on high horse... Ain't no high horse here...

And no put-down neither...

Ya' see, I've got a really strange mix of life's experiences and education... Kinda makes me a mis-fit... My wife don't understand how I can be just as comfortable with black folk as with rednecks... Heck, having lived with both segments of the population I'm ***blessed***... Ain't no brag... Just fact...

As fir right wingers??? Ya'll need to get yer heads outta Boss Hog's ass and try to see that Boss Hog don't give a flyin' fuck fir nuthin' but how much money he can extract from ya'll... Hey, if you are Boss Hog and ya' gotta bigass stock portfolio then I understand... I really do... But if ya' ain't then I don't get it??? BTW, Redneck Nation ain't in Boss Hog's plans for the segment of the population than needs a few more crumbs... I know that... I try to tell my redneck friends that... They just go, "Man, you are wierd"???

Square business...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 01:22 AM

J. D. Boss Hogg is a Democrat. That's why he is so greedy.

And I don't care of you was born in the Vatican and walked with Jesus. You cannot claim rights that others do not have. That is arrogance. That is wierd.

You arrogantly believe that one part of the population is so stupid that they need the other sainted part of the population to take care of them.

That is the same attitude your slave owner ancestors had. You know, back when democrats were against freedom before they were for it.

Must be in your blood. In your genes.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 08:55 AM

Hate to tell ya, Sawz, but yer wrong again... All ya gotta do is look at the amount of money that Boss Hog is thowing at this election to Repubs to see what side of the toast the is getting the butter...

BTW, ain't arrogance to have an education, possess critical thinking skills and the ability to observe what is going on around us...

If you get yer head outta Boss Hog's posterior you might be able to make those observations yerself...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 10:32 AM

"the ability to observe what is going on around us"

Then tell us where Obama keeps his airplane.

JD Hogg is a union guy. How much do the unions donate to whom to preserve their place at the trough?

Here's a sample:

Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers        $32,573,445

97% Democrat        2% Republican


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 10:38 AM

ActBlue

Launched in 2004, ActBlue bills itself as the online clearinghouse for Democratic action. As a federally registered political action committee, it serves as a conduit for online contributions to Democratic candidates and committees. That is, ActBlue bundles and transmits earmarked contributions from individuals raised on their website to specific candidates. The organization assists Democratic candidates and committees of all ideological persuasion, helping moderates and liberals alike. Through mid-2010, it has helped funnel more than $134 million -- and counting -- in contributions. Because much of that money comes in donations below the $200 threshold for itemized disclosure, the total amount given by donors via ActBlue is considerably greater than the totals listed below, which are based on FEC filings of candidates and committees that receive this money. The group also maintains a 527 political organization registered with the Internal Revenue Service for non-federal political activities, and ActBlue has registered as a political committee in more than 20 states for its state-level activities.

99% Democrat        0% Republican


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 10:41 AM

Ooops. I missed #2 at the trough.

American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees        $42,963,511        98% Democrat        1% Republican


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 09:20 PM

More diversionary bullshit...

Recent reports of the spending from the "citzens" ruling by the Thomas/Alito court have infused tens upon millions of dollars into the republican side of the advertising war... 7 to 1 according to the Washington Post... With upwards of a couple hundred million more between no and election day... 87% going to Repubs...

So if the Dems end up with $42M in total that will mean that the Repubs will have gotten upwards of a half a billion in unnamed donors... BTW theres's a big differencve between yer neighbor putting an ad in the local newspaper callin' upi a "shmo" and signin' it and someone who doesn't have to identitfy himself putting ads in every newspaper in the country calling you a "shmo"...

That is eaxactly what we have... Boss Hog is throwing the houise at this election and doesn't even have to say he is... He hides behind all kinds of bullshit organizations that don't even really exist like, "Americans for Mom and Apple Pie" and "Americans for America"... Sound great??? Sure they do...They are bogus...

(BTW, those are just two ficticiuos examples of what we are getting... If you are watching the tv then ya'll are being bombarding by Thomas/Alito bullshit)

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 04:39 PM

All that spending does not outdo what the Unions do.

Boss Hogg

Recognize him Bobert? Yep. He's a Democrat named Rainey.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 05:09 PM

Here's a quick breakdown of the aggregate spending by outside groups showing Party affiliations of candidates they supported or opposed


Republican         $23,276,668.65 Support
Republican         $62,857,485.41         Opposed
Total          $86,134,154.06


Democratic         $19,934,943.29         Support
Democratic         $80,292,350.98         Opposed
Total          $100,227,294.27



Duuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 05:52 PM

Another bogus stat by the Mudcat Bogus Stat Man...

What is not reflected in the above numbers, which BTW are also more than likely bogus, is all the undisclosed money that is being spent by Boss Hog as a result of the Thomas/Alito/Roberts little "Citizens" gift they laid at the feet of the folks who appointed them...

"Citizens" is turning out to be just what many of us predicted... That last sembleance to democracy and the wholesale sale of the government...

Yeah, the Dems are doing okay when it comes to the little guy's donation but the little guy is no longer part of the electorian equation... I mean, the Repub bed buddies at Wall Street are sitting on $1.7T (yes, trillion) in uninvested cash and they are pissed off that Obama is trying to bring some common sense regs into banking so look to Wall Street alone to pour upwards of a billion in undisclosed cash into this election...

Makes the money that the unions have loook like pocket change...

Tell ya'll what... If "Citizens" usn't brough under control, and fast, then the corportists will buy out every last bit of the government in the next 6 years and we will never again have any means of controling them, short of armed revolution... Which, of course, won't work... And you can take that to the bank (pun intended)...

And...

...400...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 03:26 PM

Bogus in what way Bobert? What do your stats show?

"Haiti where 1% owns all the wealth"

"No brag just fact"

Bogus_______

Not Bogus_______


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 04:40 PM

So you are defending your numbers as being all the money that is gpoing into this campaign, Swaz???

How abhout the unreported "Citizens" money??? You been reading about it???

Has nuthin' to do with Haiti...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 12:03 PM

"These folks are eat up with hatred..."

"We support our troops when they shoot their officers"

Kill their babies

If I hear one more Republican tell me about balancing the budget, I am going to strangle them


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 12:08 PM

Well it has to do with people defending their numbers which you refuse to do.

But you demand that others do so.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: bobad
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 12:08 PM

Tea Party 'founder': Palin, Gingrich a 'joke'

By Daniel Tencer
Wednesday, October 20th, 2010 -- 10:46 pm

A financial blogger and ex-CEO credited with being one of the original "founders" of the Tea Party has come out against the movement, saying it has been hijacked by the very people it was protesting and is now obsessed with "guns, gays and God."

In a "message" to the Tea Party Wednesday, Karl Denninger declared that he "ought to sue" anyone who uses the Tea Party name "for defamation."

"Yeah, that's a joke," he writes. "But so are you. All of you. Especially Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Bob Barr, and douchebag groups such as the 'Tea Party Patriots.'"

Denninger writes: "Tea Party my ass. This was nothing other than the Republican Party stealing the anger of a population that was fed up with the Republican Party's own theft of their tax money at gunpoint to bail out the robbers of Wall Street and fraudulently redirecting it back toward electing the very people who stole all the ****ing money!"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/10/tea-party-founder-slams-tea-party/


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 01:08 PM

The Atlantic's Andrew Sullivan wrote Wednesday morning that Williams' statement about fearing Muslims on planes is an example of bigotry. "What if someone said that they saw a black man walking down the street in classic thug get-up," Sullivan wrote. "Would a white person be a bigot [if] he assumed he was going to mug him?'


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 01:11 PM

Survey: Four in 10 Tea Party members are Democrats or independents

Four in 10 Tea Party members are either Democrats or Independents, according to a new national survey.

The findings provide one of the most detailed portraits to date of the grassroots movement that started last year.

The national breakdown of the Tea Party composition is 57 percent Republican, 28 percent Independent and 13 percent Democratic, according to three national polls by the Winston Group, a Republican-leaning firm that conducted the surveys on behalf of an education advocacy group. Two-thirds of the group call themselves conservative, 26 are moderate and 8 percent say they are liberal.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 01:44 PM

Survey by who, the National Review?

Poll by who

Statistics compiled by what

jeez sawz, that kind of sloppiness works on FOX but not here among intelligent people.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 01:50 PM

Donuel


TRY to read the post before you comment- or learn to read.



"Date: 21 Oct 10 - 01:44 PM

Survey by who, the National Review?

Poll by who"


"From: Sawzaw - PM
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 01:11 PM

...according to three national polls by the Winston Group, a Republican-leaning firm that conducted the surveys on behalf of an education advocacy group. "


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 02:54 PM

Oh, OK - a survey by a Republican Party propaganda group. Must be true then.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 03:11 PM

Many here keep posting such fron Liberal sources- and I hear no complaints. I guess they say what many here want to believe.


Too bad some of us look at BOTH sides, and try to determine facts.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 06:56 PM

Tis the season of the Republican Lie Machine...

Hey, got give 'um credit in observing that the voters ain't fact checkin' 'cause they are too busy trying to find a job or working 50-60 hours to keep the one they have...

And, of course, the corporate media has no particular interest in the truth either 'cause they hate Obama fir having the audacity for trying to bring some regs back into the economy...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 09:56 PM

Don't Call Him Redneck

James Webb Hates the Expression, But Is Very Proud of the Culture
        
Washington Post October 18, 2006

About a year ago, before he was running for the Senate, James Webb took a colleague to the mountains of southwest Virginia to do some research for a movie they were working on.

Rob Reiner , meet my cousin Jewel and her husband, Buck. Jewel made a home-cooked meal for Webb and his producer-director friend. She pointed across the way to a nearby hollow and said:

"Ah wuz bawn rat ovah theyah." That's Reiner on the phone from Los Angeles, doing a mountain accent.

At night, Webb took Reiner to a rustic auditorium. There was bluegrass and flatfoot dancing.

"Incredible experience," Reiner says.

There may be few places in the country more foreign to Hollywood than Gate City, Va., and much of Webb's livelihood has been to translate one culture for another. His dad's family came out of these hollows, though Webb grew up on military bases all over the country. Over the course of his career, in books and more recently in screenplays, Webb, 60, has been writing about the dignity of his people -- the gun-loving, country-music-singing, working-class whites of Scotch-Irish descent who fight in wars, staff the nation's factories and shop its Wal-Marts.
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"This people gave our country great things, including its most definitive culture," Webb writes in his most recent book.

He knows that some folks might call his people rednecks. We pity those folks if Jim Webb is around when they say that...

More Here


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 10:07 PM

Donuel Greg Bobert:

Where are your numbers? Ya got nothing so personal attacks replace facts.

Personal attacks such as: "The redn**ks are getting to be rather disgusting little hypocrits..."


Show some unsloppy numbers and where they cam from. Got any?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 10:18 PM

Myth-busting polls: Tea Party members are average Americans, 41% are Democrats, independents

For upwards of 12 months now members of the so-called Tea Party protest movement have been stereotyped, derogated and often dismissed by some politicians and media outlets.

They've been portrayed variously as angry fringe elements, often inarticulate, potentially violent and merely Republicans in sheep's clothing or disgruntled pockets of conservatives blindly lashing out at a left-handed President Obama and the same side of his Democratic Party finally getting its chance to drive home a liberal agenda after eight years of Republican rule and six under a centrist Bill Clinton.

Alas for stereotypes, they're convenient, often catchy. But not necessarily true.

Now, comes a pair of polls, including Gallup, that paint a revealing detailed portrait of Tea Party supporters in most ways as pretty average Americans. A Sunday poll -- actually three national phone surveys of 1,000 registered voters -- found that 17% of all polled, or more than 500, called themselves "part of the Tea Party movement."

"It's a good sample size," David Winston, polling director of the Winston Group that did the poll for an education advocacy group, told the Ballot Box blog of The Hill newspaper.

The Tea Party adherents broke down 28% independent, 17% Democrat and only 57% Republican. Not coincidentally, this bipartisan breakdown has been the way that Tea Party favorite Sarah Palin has often described movement members as "commonsense Americans" worried and....

...angered by the over-reaching one-party control of Democrats in Washington these last 15 months, rooted initially in opposition to Obama's $787 billion government economic stimulus package.

A new Gallup Poll out this morning of 1,033 finds nothing fringe about self-proclaimed Tea Party adherents; they are slightly more likely to be employed, male and definitely more conservative. But otherwise Gallup's Lydia Saad writes, "their age, educational background, employment status, and race -- Tea Partiers are quite representative of the public at large."

While economic issues like stubbornly high unemployment rates and declining home values cause widespread worries, Winston found top issues among the self-identified Tea Party followers are jobs/the economy and the exploding federal deficit. A whopping 95% told pollsters that Washington "Democrats are taxing, spending and borrowing too much."

Fully 87% told Gallup they oppose Obama's healthcare legislation.

The Winston poll says 80% of total Tea Party supporters dislike Obama's job performance, a higher negative rate even than the 77% of Republicans who disapprove of the ex-state senator's White House work.

They are, of course, only two polls and a long time politically until November. Given a widespread anti-incumbent environment, some GOP members of Congress might also pay a price come Nov. 2.

While the inconvenient polls may make media generalizers uncomfortable, it could also discomfit both major parties just seven months out from those crucial midterm elections. Congressional Republicans fare awfully in Tea Party minds, too, despite rhetorical efforts to catch up with the movement at times.

And if a sizable chunk of Obama's own party base crumbles away, as it did in 2009 gubernatorial elections in Virginia and New Jersey and in the January special Senate election in Massachusetts over healthcare, Nancy Pelosi could soon join the ranks of ex-House speakers. A change of only 40 House seats would shift control to the GOP.

The counter-intuitive good news for Obama in all that is that a Republican House would give him a handy target for any blame in his anticipated 2012 re-election bid, something he wouldn't have if both houses remained under their currently large Democrat majorities that have earned such low approval ratings.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 10:47 PM

NBC Reporter To Black Man At Tea Party: "Have You Ever Felt Uncomfortable?"


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 10:41 AM

Don't know, Roboz... Having grown up in the South and also part of the civil rights movement I have learned about "the code"... Yeah, the KKKers are still very much with US but they have codified their racism... Lotta folks are clueless about it but we are starting to see just how it is done with several Repub/Tea Party candidates usin' code at their rallies with the appropriate laughter from the peanut gallery/lynch mobs...

Of course, when confronted, they deny it and say some really stupid stuff like, Some of my best friends are _______________ as if that lets them off the hook... I mean, the closer we get to this election the more brazen these folks are with their thinly veiled racist/sexist/ethnocentristicist comments...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 05:19 PM

I still haven't seen Boberts definition of truth.

Has anybody seen it?

"racist/sexist/ethnocentristicist comments":

"a band of white people"

"The redn**ks are getting to be rather disgusting little hypocrits"

"a bunch of white people"

"Makes me want to puke... Heritage, my butt... Rednecks..."


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 10:09 PM

"the rest of us have the right to call them the racists and rednecks that they are"

There's the racist Redn**ks and then there is the rest of us.

Is this the rest of us Bobert?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Oct 10 - 01:43 AM

KKK/Tea Party Day..is horseshit. It's just another way the 'left' has to smear something they can't grasp!!....or don't like, because they don't have the brain capacity for understanding ANOTHER point of view!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 10:29 AM

"A new report, backed by the NAACP, has found what it says are efforts by white nationalist groups and militias to link themselves to the tea party movement, even as some tea party leaders have expelled members who have expressed racist sentiment.

The report, called Tea Party Nationalism, uses news articles, visits to white nationalist Web sites and observance of tea party functions to claim that tea party events have become a forum for extremists "hoping to push these (white) protesters toward a more self-conscious and ideological white supremacy."

Its findings cite that members of groups such as the Council of Conservative Citizens, which opposes all efforts to "mix the races of mankind," have become involved in tea party chapters, and that posters on the online white nationalist Web site Stormfront.org have written of "inflitrating" tea party events.

The report was issued by the Kansas City, Mo.-based Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights, which is funded, in part, by the liberal Firedoll Foundation. The paper was authored by Devin Burghart and Leonard Zeskind, both of whom have written widely about white nationalism."

WaPo


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 12:07 PM

5 Tips On Infiltrating The National Tea Party Convention 2/4-2/6


The National Tea Party Convention is taking place February 4th- 6th at the Opryland Hotel in Nashville.

Man, I'd give my whole entire collection of Obama=Hitler signs to infiltrate this event.

INFILTRATION TIP #1: Find a local chapter of the Tea Party Patriots. Email to say you're interested in joining. Get a few emails going back-and-forth.(Easy to do because most of the leaders are old people with way too much free time on their hands.) Bring up the topic of the National Tea Party Convention and mention you have an interest in attending. Register for the event with their stamp of approval. Enjoy the convention!

INFILTRATION TIP #2: Find a few names of Tea Party leaders who are attending the event through their individual websites. Get to the convention early and check-in under their names. Those of you in San Francisco can obtain fake ID's on Mission Street. Enjoy the convention!

INFILTRATION TIP 3: See if there's anyway to become a volunteer at the convention. A lot of these events run on volunteers. Enjoy the convention!

INFILTRATION TIP #4: Book a room at the Opryland Hotel. Arrive a day early. Note where all employee entrances and exits to various conference rooms. Dress in the employee uniform with a change of clothes underneath. Enjoy the convention!

INFILTRATION TIP #5: Try to snap a photo of an attendee's convention badge. Create a reproduction in Photoshop and laminate the fake badge at Kinko's. Enjoy the convention!


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 05:01 PM

Here is an organization that believes in freedom of speech - for them selves anyway


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 07:24 PM

Fisr of all, fuck off, Sawz... I've answered you stupid 3rd grader question... Maybe if you get thru 3rd grade this year you'll get it 'cause it ain't rocket surgery... Might of fact, your 3rd grade questions are getting real boring to everyone here but you... And maybe the 2 or three buds you have here...

As for you, GfinS... You don't know shit about growing up and living in the South... I'd guess you never seen a real live Klan rally... Bet you never seen a black church burned to the ground... Bet you don't know anyone who has had a cross burned in their yard... So...

...quit talkin' about stuff that obviously ain't qualified to talk about... Come live where I live for a couple years and then you'll have at least a primer course in racism...

B~
B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 12:33 AM

If you have answered it, perhaps you can direct me to it Bobert.

I can't find anybody that has seen it. Are we all blind?

It is not about sides Bobert. It is not about how many are on your side and how many are on the other side.

It is about right and wrong.

But it seems that you want to choose up sides and fight rather than acknowledge the facts.

Now back to Facts, as painful as they are for you.

How many of those "white people" who "hate President Obama" voted for him?

The independent Quinnipiac University poll finds:

By a 28 - 23 percent margin, American voters have a favorable opinion of the Tea Party, with 49 percent who say they don't know enough about the group to form an opinion.

American voter opinion of the Democratic Party is 48 - 33 unfavorable, with opinion of the Republican Party 42 - 33 percent unfavorable.

While 70 percent of all voters are "somewhat dissatisfied" or "very dissatisfied" with the way things are going in America today, 92 percent of Tea Party members are dissatisfied.

Government does too many things better left to businesses and individuals, 54 percent of all voters say, while 42 percent say government is not doing enough. Tea Party members say 83 - 15 percent that government is doing too much.

"The Tea Party movement is mostly made up of people who consider themselves Republicans," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

Looking at voters who consider themselves part of the Tea Party movement:

    * 74 percent are Republicans or independent voters leaning Republican;
    * 16 percent are Democrats or independent voters leaning Democratic;
    * 5 percent are solidly independent;
    * 45 percent are men;
    * 55 percent are women;
    * 88 percent are white;
    * 77 percent voted for Sen. John McCain in 2008;
    * 15 percent voted for President Barack Obama.

Ouch!


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 02:10 PM

There is going to be a lot of republican celebrations


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 07:58 PM

Good one, Donuel...

You still need to hook up with my friend Michael... Ya'll is like two peas in a pod...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 11:42 AM

crashtheteaparty.org , The now defunct site had said it was part of a national movement to "dismantle and demolish the tea party by any nonviolent means necessary."

The site encouraged people to infiltrate the tea party, then misspell protest signs, make wild claims during interviews and perform other public actions that would damage the public's opinion of the tea party.

From Jason Levin's MySpace page:

"As a black lesbian trapped in the body of a straight white man, I am able to pass as a member of the establishment wile still maintaining my oneness with the spirit of the Earf Muvah. I'm currently being sued by my inner child for molestation...but trust me, the charges are baseless."
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Beaverton's 'Crash the Tea Party' teacher resigns as his dismissal loomed

Beaverton middle school teacher Jason Levin, who founded the now notorious "Crash the Tea Party" website, is no longer a teacher. Levin resigned Wednesday in lieu of termination, said Beaverton School District Legal Counsel Camellia Osterink.

District officials would not say why Levin was facing dismissal, but that it followed an internal investigation into his use of public resources and time spent at school.

"There was some question whether that conduct occurred during the work day," Osterink said of Levin's work on the website.

Reached today, Levin said, "My attorney has advised me not to comment."

His attorney, Adam Arms of Portland, could not be immediately reached.

Levin, a media lab technology teacher at Conestoga Middle School, drew international attention last spring after creating crashtheteaparty.org. The now defunct site had said it was part of a national movement to "dismantle and demolish the tea party by any nonviolent means necessary."

The site encouraged people to infiltrate the tea party, then misspell protest signs, make wild claims during interviews and perform other public actions that would damage the public's opinion of the tea party.

Hundreds of e-mails and calls streamed into the district in April from as far away as Chile, some calling for Levin's removal and questioning his fitness to teach. District spokeswoman Maureen Wheeler said at the time that Levin's political views were not part of the investigation.

District officials placed Levin on paid administrative leave in mid-April but returned him to the classroom about two weeks later after determining he was not a threat to students, said Sue Robertson, chief human resources officer.

But the investigation continued and concluded the week before school let out for the summer with a recommendation to dismiss Levin, Robertson said. He was placed on paid administrative leave for the final week of classes.

The school board planned to consider his dismissal on Wednesday when they received word that he had resigned. Levin, who has a master's degree in instructional technology education, had just finished his third year with the district.

It's not over for Levin yet. The Teacher Standards and Practices Commission, which oversees teacher licensing, is continuing its investigation into possible neglect of duty, said Melody Hanson, director of professional practices.

Despite his resignation, the agency can revoke or suspend his license, issue a public reprimand or keep him from reapplying for a license in the future.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 08:02 PM

You'll love this one, Sawz...

I knida been thinkin' about the Tea Party and seems to me that with independent chapters all over the country that folks like me could just get together and attend their local chapter's meetings... I mean, we do have one thing in common with the Tea Party in that both sides see a broken government... Hey, it's a start...

Way I see it is that most Tea Partiers are so undereducated and illinformed about stuff that it'd only take a handfull of us "elitists" (lol) folks who understand stuff to turn the Tea Party around, one chapter at a time...

I mean, yeah, lotta of these folks is rednecks but they the older ones who still remember rooting fir the likes of Cal Yarborurugh and Lee Petty and Fireball Roberts... Hey, lotta us "elitist" remember them good ol' boys, too... That was before NASCAR decided that it was America's sport...

Now the rub is gonna come to those fond memories of the Klan but, hey, most of the current Tea Partiers weren't old enought to be like real lynch mobers... Their daddies and grand daddies??? Different story but...

Now I ain't sayin' that this is what I'm gonna do or ain't gonna do but it is somethin' that has been in my mind lately... I mean, the Republican Party certainly ain't out to protect these il-informed folk's interests, that is fir sure... I mean, if the Tea Partiers actually had to sit down and learn what the federal government does every day of the year and then have to say what they thought the federal government shouldn't be doing then I'd wager that many would figure out that what the Repubs want is counterproductive to the interest of most Tea Partiers...

I donno...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 11:50 PM

Democrat Jason Bauer resigns amid allegations about role in Tea Party

Jason Bauer, former Director of Operations for the Oakland County Democratic Party has tendered his resignation amid allegations about his role in The Tea Party.

A slate of candidates was provided to Oakland County Clerk Ruth Johnson, a candidate for the Republican Party's nomination for Secretary of State, for the November general election.

Johnson's office later discovered two of the candidates were under-aged and one was a resident of Phoenix, Arizona, and had no desire to be a candidate in Michigan.

Bauer had notorized the documents for the candidates, which at least one candidate says he did not sign.

According to the Oakland County Democratic Party (OCDP), "Upon first learning of allegations against one of the organization's staff members, the county party's Executive Board immediately called for a meeting."

"The board swiftly acted to request and accept Jason Bauer's resignation from employment. We are saddened by this situation, but cannot condone his alleged actions. For the sake of the organization, we must part ways effective immediately."

OCDP says they had no role in the situation which would mean that Bauer was acting on his own outside of the party.

The Michigan State Elections Board, on a two to two vote, refused to certify "The Tea Party". A representative for The Tea Party says they will appeal the decision.

Bauer could face charges for improper use of his Notary license.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 08:09 AM

Well, that's exactly what I'm talkin' about... Heck, most of the progressives I know go back to my Green Party days so they wouldn't exactly have to resign from somethin' they never belonged to in the first place...

B~


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Subject: Who created the tea party
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 08:31 AM

Once the Republican brand was destroyed by Bush Cheney torture and Henry Paulson's bank robbery, a new party was needed for a transition to keep the reactionary base that was groomed for decades.

Heritage FOundation, Boldman Sachs FOX and others including DOD folks new a new party was needed.

Dick Army was just a Lobbiest who had a firm to get some of the first gigs going.

It would have been impossible without FOX

http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/teacreation.jpg


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 08:39 AM

Oh yeah, Donuel...

FOX + Boss Hog's secret $$$ = Tea Party...

If I were Obama the first thing I would do after the election is have the Justice Department investigate FOX for violating FCC rules and when found guilty then bust 'um down to a cable only network... No more using yours and my "punlicly owned airwaves" to spread overt propaganda...

That would be a good first step that isn't about 1st Ammendment rights at all but about fairness and following the spirit of our laws...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 11:03 AM

"No more using yours and my "punlicly owned airwaves" to spread overt propaganda...
"

What??!! You mean you would prohibit all further Obama speeches???


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 11:56 PM

"following the spirit of our laws..."

Including the laws against Moonshine and pot?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 01:08 AM

Bobert looks down his nose at the red***k Nascar drivers buuut:

From felon to hero to champion to legend to NASCAR Hall of Fame inductee.

That's a quick-hit description of Junior Johnson's remarkable ride through life, a ride to be celebrated justly when he becomes one of the five inaugural inductees into the NASCAR Hall of Fame on May 23.

First off, let's get the felon thing out of the way. Johnson was arrested some years back for his role in a moonshining [ummm Moonshine Bobert, gettin' thirsty?] operation. He served 11 months in prison in 1956. Thirty years later, President Ronald Reagan, perhaps unaware that Johnson was a lifelong Democrat, laid a presidential pardon on old Joonyer No matter your political leanings, that was one good deal. [The gipper had social compassion on the wayward Democrat Redn**k]

In between, in 1965, Johnson was the subject of an epic Esquire Magazine piece by famed author Thomas Wolfe. It called Johnson the "last American hero". A year later, the hero retired from a fine driving career, and went on to become even more successful as a car owner, as his drivers won three NASCAR Sprint Cup championships. He retired as an owner in 1995.

And since, he has remained famous for being, well, Junior Johnson. He also has remained immensely popular with fans and media. Always approachable and always quotable, Johnson's old-school homespun wisdom shines through in virtually every conversation or interview. To listen to him is captivating, as if a history book has come to life right before your eyes.

Now 78 years old, Johnson is involved in a legitimate moonshine venture Best shine ever, he says He also serves as an unofficial [J D Boss Hogg] NASCAR ambassador, popping up here and there at a race track during the season, once again charming everyone he meets.

Accordin to Bobert,"there's redn**ks and then there is the rest of us"


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 08:30 AM

No, bruce, I would require that broadcaters folow the spirit of the broadcasting laws that go back to the 1920s when we fully understood that a free country doesn't provide room for overt propaganda going out over the publocly owned airwaves...

But nevermind those American values and traditions if you and yer buds can game the system that favors getting yer crooks elected... Seems that is waht you are interested in rather than protecting tha airwaves for US all...

Normal Repub thinking tho... Ya'll also don't like the federal government being used to protect out air, or land or our drinking water if it inconiences Boss Hog's mean to gouging even more wealth for himself at the expense of everyone else... Must be nice to be in that upper 5% where you think everything is out there for you to ruin...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 09:37 AM

"overt propaganda going out over the publocly owned airwaves"



Like Obama's VERY partisan speeches.

Or are you sayoing that "Some animals are more equal than others."?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 12:25 PM

Obama makes a speech and gets 20 seconds, if he's lucky, on the 7:00 news... Compare that with the 35 or so attack ads against ther Dems in the same evening on that smae channle and at the end of the night the Repubs are ahead 700 to 20... How much more media do you think your guys deserve, bruce???


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 09:42 PM

Bobert's people:

The Revolutionary Anti-Imperialist Movement is calling on all radicals. anarchists and communists, Mexican and Black nationalists, Third Worldists and Indigenists, students, social critics and anti-racists to come out and oppose this vile, hateful message [that being the message the tea party crashers have injected] in the midst of the Tea Party Movement. Bring signs, bullhorns, props, a hat and sunglasses, etc. Cut loose and let these racist crackers know they are opposed.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 09:22 PM

The Democratic National Committee (DNC) said Monday that it will donate money it had received from a man charged with threatening to kill a top Republican.

A DNC official said it was researching contributions made by Norman Leboon, a Philadelphia man charged Monday with threatening to kill House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.), and donate any money he had donated to charity.

"We are researching the matter, and any donations made to the DNC or the Obama campaign by Mr. Leboon will be donated to charity," a DNC official said.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 10:46 PM

Sorry, Sawz, but I ain't a member of the, ahhhhh, Revolutionary Anti-Imperialist Movement these days... Man, when they jacked the dues to $35 that was it fir this ol' hillbilly... They said they was gonna quit sending out their newsletter but its been a couple years now an' I'm still gettin' 'um???

$35??? No way... Maybe publish a sexy pic of Mrs Sarah in the centerfold then call me an' we'll talk... Volvo station wagens ain't all that cool...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Stringsinger
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 06:13 PM

The element of racism is at the core of a group of people who fear the election of an African-American president. It may not be overt so that you'd recognize it but "god, guns and gays" are a big part of the movement.

Libertarians are basically befuddled because the decry government unless it is run by corporations (which today it practically is). The Tea Party shoots itself in the foot because rank and file American citizens are going to be screwed by oligarchic plutocrats and a new corporatocracy that wants to privatize everything such as wars, prisons, education and deregulate everything that helps the wealthy and not the poor.

I have no doubt that the militia movement, gun-toting hot heads and the KKK are involved in the Tea Party though many of its members may not be but they haven't a clue about what they really want. They are being lead by the nose with loud-mouthed pundits such as Palin, Armey and behind the scenes by the Koch Brothers.

"Second Amendment Remedies" is no way to run a government. There are "terrorists"
in the Tea Party.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 06:30 PM

Exactly, strings... Threatening to shoot people who don't agree with you is terrorism...


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 10:25 AM

TeaBagger Sharron Angle's Racist Ads:

One article of many here.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/44246.html


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 10:35 AM

Excerpted from: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/opinion/31rich.html?_r=1&hp
(emphasis mine)


What made the Tea Party most useful was that its loud populist message gave the G.O.P. just the cover it needed both to camouflage its corporate patrons and to rebrand itself as a party miraculously antithetical to the G.O.P. that gave us George W. Bush and record deficits only yesterday.

Rupert Murdoch's Fox News and Wall Street Journal have been arduous in promoting and inflating Tea Party events and celebrities to this propagandistic end. The more the Tea Party looks as if it's calling the shots in the G.O.P., the easier it is to distract attention from those who are actually calling them — namely, those who've cashed in and cashed out as ordinary Americans lost their jobs, homes and 401(k)'s. Typical of this smokescreen is a new book titled "Mad as Hell," published this fall by a Murdoch imprint. In it, the pollsters Scott Rasmussen and Douglas Schoen make the case, as they recently put it in Politico, that the Tea Party is "the most powerful and potent force in America."

They are expert at producing poll numbers to bear that out. By counting those with friends and family in the movement, Rasmussen has calculated that 29 percent of Americans are "tied to" the Tea Party. (If you factor in six degrees of Kevin Bacon, the number would surely double.) But cooler empirical data reveal the truth known by the G.O.P. establishment: An August CNN poll found that 2 percent of Americans consider themselves active members of the Tea Party.

That result was confirmed last weekend by The Washington Post, which published the fruits of its months-long effort to contact every Tea Party group in the country.
To this end, it enlisted the help of Tea Party Patriots, the only Tea Party umbrella group that actually can claim to be a spontaneous, bottom-up, grass roots organization rather than a front for the same old fat cats of the Republican right, from the Koch brothers to Dick Armey's FreedomWorks. Tea Party Patriots has claimed anywhere from 2,300 to nearly 3,000 local affiliates, but even with its assistance, The Post could verify a total of only 647 Tea Party groups nationwide. Most had fewer than 50 members. The median amount of money each group had raised in 2010 was $800.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 11:34 AM

"Threatening to shoot people who don't agree with you is terrorism... "

Obama: "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun"

Uno Hoo "buy guns, lots of ammo and learn to shoot straight 'cause these rednecks mean to kill people who ain't like them" "the logical thinkin' is that the left better get armed.... And fast!!! Seems the only out now is revolution."

Crazed killer lefty: "I am here to kill Bush, shoot me"


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 11:59 AM

Goon squads are as old as the hills.
GOONS are usually armed which is in direct proportion to their courage. The more cowardly a goon is the more likely they will kill someone.

It is fundamentally wrong to use goon squads but this is what the right accepts as being strong, committed and patriotic.

I knew a goon who joked about the sounds his victim made when he fatally shot black kids who would hide under cars. WHile he is no longer a DC policemen. He will always be a goon. Was he warped by serving in Viet Nam? Sure, but I believe he was goon material before he was sent there.

Is he a terrorist? Not by the language I used for 50 years.
We had a special section in hell for "mad bombers".


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 02:13 PM

PRINCETON, NJ -- Tea Party supporters skew right politically; but demographically, they are generally representative of the public at large.

That's the finding of a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted March 26-28, in which 28% of U.S. adults call themselves supporters of the Tea Party movement.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 02:17 PM

Black Tea Party Candidate Says Illinois Democrats are Racist

Cedra Crenshaw, a Republican supporter of the Tea Party, is running for Illinois state Senate for the 43rd District. But her candidacy was challenged on a technicality - Crenshaw's outdated nominating petition forms stated signatures could be collected no earlier than 90 days before the filing deadline, but a new law mandates signatures can be collected no earlier than 75 days before the deadline.

The Will County Electoral Board voted 2-to-1 down party lines to remove her from the ballot, a move that Crenshaw said was racist on the part of the Democrats.

"In essence, they are trying to disenfranchise the voters of the 43rd district," Crenshaw said in a radio podcast. "This goes far beyond me. The Will County Board of Elections waited over six weeks to render this decision on a technicality."

Crenshaw is running in an attempt to unseat Democratic state Sen. A.J. Wilhemi. She is appealing the board's decision and a judge will hear arguments Tuesday.

Speculation about whether racism is actually the root of the issue continues to fly back and forth. Crenshaw's supporters say Democrats don't want to see the black stay-at-home mom succeed; others who disagree with the racism claim say it's simply because Crenshaw is a Republican, not because she is black.

Since July 1, campaign committees controlled by Democrats gave $447,769 to Sen. A.J. Wilhelmi, who's worried about losing his normally safe 43rd District seat to Republican Cedra Crenshaw, a tea party favorite. Republican committees have given Crenshaw $122,789 in the same period.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 03:23 PM

Metaphors are obviously just that, Saws... You are really stretching...

Also stretching is taking one or tweo nutballs who hated Bush...

That is a cop-out, Saws and not justification for an entire movement to use "2nd ammendment remedies" as part of their platform...

Not a debate coach/judge in the world would give you points for those arguments to justify the millions of people who have been brainwashed into believing that 2nd ammendment remedies are just fine...

Another bogus Saws argument shot down...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 03:51 PM

They are on the BBC now - "Tea Party America: this world" - and they ARE wrong. The best way is to accept that we humans are competitive and have strong strong regulations - NOT freedom/liberty - to make that competition as fair as possible, with safety nets (such as Obama is trying to introduce), and respect for indigenous land rights. And the best way to regulate large facilities is to nationalise them. The Statue of Liberty (which I've visited in 1997) should be renamed The Statue of Regulationism.

Or if you prefer it in verse - http://walkaboutsverse.webs.com/#153


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 01:17 PM

Nutball=metaphor

Copout=metaphor

Brainwashed=metaphor

Bobert criticizes others for using metaphors and then proceeds to do the same.

Did you forget how to spell hypocrite allready?

Write it down this time Bobert.

Hypocrite


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 01:20 PM

When are you going to lynch Clarence Thomas Bobert?

You know he is guilty regardless.

No trial no report to file.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,Bobert at the library...
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 03:59 PM

Too late, Sawz... Clarence has lynched himself...

Don't confuse the fact that some thugs get asway with stuff with them being non-thugs... You'd change yer tune if it was yer wife who Clarence sexually harrassed...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 02:07 AM

If then. Yeah that is the proof of anything. In your mind anyway.

Try this "if then": If Clarence Thomas invented street gangs that kill thousands of people and actually killed some people himself, you would be whining to save him from the death sentence instead of lynching him with no trial.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 11 Nov 10 - 02:24 PM

Dear Tea Party


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 10 - 06:22 PM

Nice rant... Couldn't have said it better, myself...


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 12 Nov 10 - 12:51 PM

Elected by Bobert's "Racist / KKK Tea Party" of "disgusting little red***k hypocrits"

Tea partiers elected two black representatives, Hispanic American congress woman. a Cuban-American Senator and an Indian-American female as governor....

.....In New Mexico, Susana Martinez was elected as the nation's first female Hispanic governor. Nikki Haley, whose parents were born in India, will be the first woman governor in South Carolina, and Brian Sandoval became Nevada's first Hispanic governor.

Insurance company owner Tim Scott will be the first black Republican congressman from South Carolina since Reconstruction, after easily winning in his conservative district. Scott, a 45-year-old state representative, earned a primary victory over the son of U.S. Sen. Strom Thurmond.

In Florida, veteran Allen West ousted a two-term Democrat to a House seat. He is the first black Republican elected to Congress from Florida since a former slave served two terms in the 1870s...

...Speaking of leftist tactics, Allen West, a former Army Colonel, said, "The No.1 thing that you always try to do to silence an opponent in the United States of America is to call someone a racist."

So true. But that truth has more clout when the speaker is both black and a big supporter of the Tea Party himself.

West points out that the "Tea" in Tea Party stands for "Taxed Enough Already." The transparent purpose of the movement was to elect officials who would stop runaway federal spending, prevent tax increases and support Constitutional government. Making out such people to be racists was a sign of desperation on the part of their foes.


AHHHHHHHHHHHH - Houston we have a problem. Seems the Dilithium crystals in the NCC Bobert have done burned out fer good. ;◂◗


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Nov 10 - 01:21 PM

Hey, just shows that brain death , delusion, and a tendency to propose simple solutions to complex problems aren't limited to white "anglo-saxons".

Stupidity is equal-opportunity.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Nov 10 - 02:48 PM

Well, gol danged... If I were balck man in South Carolina and wnated to get elected I's sho nuff run as a Tea Partier... Makes perfect sense... I mean, the Tea Party is desperate to find anyone who can counter the fact that they are the angry white people's party... Electing a black makes perfect sense... Why do you think the RNC puts up with Steele???

Token Negro Syndrome TNS)...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 12 Nov 10 - 03:34 PM

"Electing a black makes perfect sense"

You want to have it both ways. The Tea Party hates Black people and wants them out of office but then they elect black people and that makes sense?.

This is totally ass backward from your stance when you started this hate thread of yours. Now all your claims have turned out to be Garbage in = Garbage out. You were supposedly exposing the hatred of the Tea Party but what you have exposed is your own hatred for Red***ks.

"It's obvious that Sawz is one the defensive here with his sarcasim about this and thet being terrorists or hate groups... That way he really doesn't have to look at the *real* situation that is occuring in the Tea Party... There is a reason why when you look at the pictures of these Tea Party rallies that 99% of the folks are whiter than a Sears washer... That oughtta say somethin'... Maybe the same somethin' that explains why black folks didn't join the Klan... Just a wild supposition... lol..."

"There ain't enough hate in the world for this brand of right wing haters, Greg... They are eat up with it... They are so consumed with hate that many would love nothin' more than to see the United Sates become a "failed state" because of their hatred of a black president...

Sad, but true... But then when they are confronted with that they have the balls to call the folks who call them "the bigots" and "the haters"... What we have is a nation that is about to come apart becasue of the right wing demanding that "their country" be returned to them??? LIke why do they think it's theirs??? Because they say so???"


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Nov 10 - 06:26 PM

Guess you never heard of Uncle Tom, Sawz... Well, Google it up...


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 06:33 PM

You guessed wrong Mr racist bigot. Google up "uncle tom is a racist term"

The following is a list of ethnic slurs (ethnophaulisms) that are, or have been, used as insinuations or allegations about members of a given ethnicity or to refer to them in a derogatory (critical or disrespectful), pejorative (disapproving or contemptuous), or insulting manner in the English-speaking world.

Uncle Tom A pejorative for an American black person who is perceived as behaving in a subservient manner to white authority figures.
Uncle Tom (U.S. minorities) term for an African-American, Latino, or Asian who panders to white people; a "sellout".
Red***k In the US, the term is offensive to many, and refers to Southern laborer-class whites

There has always been bigotry, and sadly there always will be bigotry. Call it the ugly side of human nature, or the worst angels of our race, but some of us will always be consumed with hatred and intolerance for those who are different. Bigotry is a mental disorder if you ask me, a form of delusion where one person can not accept that someone else looks, talks, dresses, or prays differently than they do. It is truly pathetic to watch or listen to a bigot spewing their rank stupidity and generally making a public nuisances of themselves.

Perhaps the most disturbing bigotry on display in today's world is coming form a rather odd place. It is very strange indeed to see and hear the bigotry spewed by the political correctors of the world. These people have long cloaked themselves in the garb of social justice and equality, yet it is they who have become the bigots and the haters of today's society. Their hatred comes not so much from gender or race, but from ideological differences. Anyone is very welcome to look different from the politically correct, but watch out if anyone dares think of having a different opinion. Consider please some recent examples of how obsessed the politically correct are to eradicate anyone who thinks differently than they do. Make no mistake, the goal of this group of bigots is not to debate or disagree honorably. Instead their goal is to stamp out anyone who thinks it OK to have a diverse ideology.

At a mall in South Florida the upcoming Easter holiday is being erased by the politically bigoted. No store can mention the word Easter. Oh there is a bunny there to take pictures with the kids, and an egg hunt, but the word Easter is forbidden. So much for respecting diversity of religion. The only religion the politically correct want to hear is their beloved secular humanism.

In Norway, the Prime Minister is angry at IKEA, a furniture manufacturer, because their instruction manuals show only men assembling furniture. The manuals are sexist and discriminatory according to Norwegian Prime Minister Kjell Magne Bondevik. Ah but there is a kink in the armor of the politically correct here my friends. Seems IKEA has opted not to show women in their manuals lest they offend Muslims. Quite the quandary these mental midgets have isn't it? Whom shall they dare to offend?

In Arkansas managers of a charity-run senior citizens center have been forced to ban any of these folks from saying grace before meals. It seems some narrow-minded busy-body threatened to sue if the prayers were allowed to continue. Once more only secular humanism is acceptable to these bigots. So much for their claim of loving religious freedom.

In Texas advocates of breast feeding are asking the state legislature to forbid baby formula manufacturers from giving out free samples to new mothers. So I suppose they are now to be the sole voice in how parents should feed their babies? How self-consumed these people are, and they are only too happy to enact laws dictating how others should raise their children.

At Bowdoin College in Maine the politically correct bigots are in high gear. They are outraged that a Black Conservative was invited to speak recently. The speaker Vernon Robinson, is not really a Black guy according to the small minded critics. He is instead an Uncle Tom who has no right to speak on campus. Now this might seem the most insidious case of mental dysfunction but wait there is another punch line. The critics of Robinson are also accusing the student Republicans who invited Robinson of displaying a lack of openness by asking him to speak. Well sure, they forgot to check with the Bowdoin bigots before asking Robinson to speak. How dare they think for themselves!

At Harvard actress Jada Pinkett Smith recently ran afoul of the politically correct while giving a speech during the Cultural Rhythms show. What was the actress's sin? Why she talked about her marriage to actor Will Smith and apparently did not talk about Gay or lesbian relations. How dare this insensitive actress be heterosexual? And even worse she talked about it in public!

Students at Middle Tennessee State have decided that the word "lady" is sexist and derogatory to the universities women's athletic teams. "When we use the word 'lady,' today at least, we recognize it as sort of a sexist remark," said Ryan Husak, a member of Solidarity. "It is used to sort of suggest secondary status." Really? I just thought it was good manners. How nice of these know-it-alls to educate our heathen minds.

In Brooksville, Florida a City-Councilman has deemed the city logo offensive and racist because there are, hold your breath now, two Confederate soldiers carrying a Confederate flag on it. Once more history is to be erased and Southerners are to be ashamed of their ancestors and Southern heritage is to sacrificed on the altar of political correctness. So understand this if you talk differently, think differently, dare to worship any religion but secular humanism, own a gun, are Southern, a White male, a Conservative Black or woman, call women ladies, mention that you are attracted to the opposite sex, drive an SUV, eat meat, smoke, do not worship the United Nations, or support America defending herself, you are now targeted. There is no place here for you. You are not to be tolerated or included and your sensitivities matter not. Don't like it? Tough you should have thought more carefully before deciding to think for yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 07:20 PM

Original characterization and critical evaluations:

Detail of an illustration from the first book edition of Uncle Tom's Cabin. Depicts Uncle Tom as young and muscular

At the time of the novel's initial publication in 1851 Uncle Tom was a rejection of the existing stereotypes of minstrel shows; Stowe's melodramatic story humanized the suffering of slavery for white audiences by portraying Tom as a Christlike figure who is ultimately martyred, beaten to death by a cruel [Democrat] master because Tom refuses to betray the whereabouts of two fugitive female slaves.

James Weldon Johnson, a prominent figure of the Harlem Renaissance, expresses an ambivalent opinion in his autobiography:

    For my part, I was never an admirer of Uncle Tom, nor of his type of goodness; but I believe that there were lots of old Negroes as foolishly good as he; the proof of which is that they knowingly stayed and worked on the plantations that furnished sinews for the army which was fighting to keep them enslaved."[Democrats]

Yassah the Uncle Toms kissed up to the Democrats. So the cowardly Democrats have to invent the Dixiecrat Myth to try to wash the blood from their hands and blame all of their history of racism on the Republicans.

Even today the only interest Democrats have in Black folks is their votes. To secure their votes thay blame all of their problems on Republicans.

LBJ at tha time of the reincarnation of the Deocrats: "I'll have those Ni**ers voting Democratic for the next 200 years"

You'd find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they'd just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva." – Fritz Hollings (D, S.C.)

Is you their black-haired answer-mammy who be smart? Does they like how you shine their shoes, Condoleezza? Or the way you wash and park the whitey's cars?" Left-wing radio host Neil Rogers

Blacks and Hispanics are too busy eating watermelons and tacos to learn how to read and write. CBS News Mike Wallace.

In the days of slavery, there were those slaves who lived on the plantation and [there] were those slaves that lived in the house. You got the privilege of living in the house if you served the master … exactly the way the master intended to have you serve him. Colin Powell's committed to come into the house of the master. When Colin Powell dares to suggest something other than what the master wants to hear, he will be turned back out to pasture. Harry Belafonte

Republicans bring out Colin Powell and J.C. Watts because they have no program, no policy. They have no love and no joy. They'd rather take pictures with black children than feed them. Donna Brazile

(On Clarence Thomas) A handkerchief-head, chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom. Spike Lee

(on Ward Connerly) He's married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn't want to be black. Senator Diane Watson

Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds. Senator Robert Byrd

These laws [segregation] are still constitutional and I promise you that until they are removed from the ordinance books of Birmingham and the statute books of Alabama, they will be enforced in Birmingham to the utmost of my ability and by all lawful means. Democrat Bull Connor


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 07:57 PM

You keep calling me a bigot and I'll make a greater effort in finding you and put a ass whup on you that you won't ever forget...

End of conversation!!!

Square business...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 10:02 PM

I have given several examples of other peoples examples of racism and bigotry.

I am merely bringing them to your attention.

Your idea of a debate is physical violence if the other party does not agree with you.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 10:05 PM

Bobert: Exactly, strings... Threatening to shoot people who don't agree with you is terrorism...

A DNC official said it was researching contributions made by Norman Leboon, a Philadelphia man charged Monday with threatening to kill House Minority Whip Eric Cantor

Exactly Bobert, A Democrat threatening to shoot people who don't agree with them is terrorism...


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 10:34 PM

I ain't threatening to shoot you... I've asked you to quit calling me a "bigot"... I've asked Joe put a stop to it... He say's for me to deal with it any way I need to... Hey, like I told you last time... I don't give a rat's ass what else you want to call me but bigot or racist ain't gonna do... I mean it... Hey, I might be a follower of Dr. King but I also got nuff redneck and martial arts trainin' in me to stop you from callin' me these hatefull names... And I think I can find you... Not sure, but if you keep it up then you can take it to the bank that I'm gonna call in some markers and get this little situation situated...

So just stop it and save us both the aggravation...

NO, better yet... Let yer wife read what I have said here... I'm sure she'd rather not see yer obsession with me bring you a dose of trouble that I don't think either of ya'll need...

And for the record: cyber-stalkin' is a crime...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Nov 10 - 10:08 AM

Threatening to shoot people who don't agree with you is terrorism...

Ya mean like your gun toting, TeaBagger buddies do, Sawz? Couldn't agree with ya more.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 08:37 PM

That sounds like a threat Bobert. I am not threatening you am I?

I am merely pointing out some examples of why red***K and uncle tom are pejoratives but you claim I am the hateful one.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 08:44 PM

No Greg, I mean threatening to shoot some body like this:

Norman Leboon says Eric Cantor will "receive my bullets in your office, remember they will be placed in your heads.

Threatening to shoot people who don't agree with you is terrorism.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 09:10 PM

No, Saws, you aren't... What you are doing is:

1. Cyber-stalking me...

2. Calling me a racist and/or bigot after I have

a. asked you to stop it

b. told you to stop it

3. Refusing to learn anything about the history of racism in America by:

a. continuing to make statements that show your complete and total
ignorance on not only American history but the struggles of black
Americans

b.refusing, when I have suggested that you go talk with a professor of race studies so that you might become less ignorant

4. Showing me and my family disrespect for our involvement in the Civil Rights movement by:

a. refusing to take the time to understand that what I tell you about the use of words and history of the Civil Rights movement comes from my "experiences" in the: 1.) the civil rights movement and 2) by history living a good portion of my life purdy much exclusively with black people...

5. Thinking that you can bully me and marginalize my knowledge of things you don't/won't understand by:

a. Calling me a bigot because you want to score points rather than actually learn something

b. Calling me a racist because you think that by doing so it will validate your ignorance in the eyes of this community...

Summation: You are ignorant about American history... You are ignorant of the Civil Rights movement... You are ignorant about my history or who I am... You are ignorant to the fact that there are millions of people who absolutely get what I am talking about here...

But, other than callin' me a racist or bigot, the worst part about your ignorance is that you seem very *****proud**** to be ignorant...

I don't give a rat's ass if you stay the most ignorant person on the planet, Sawz... Just don't involve me in your little ignorance ballgames 'cause, like I told you, this is one area that I will not allow you to use this forum to call me these disgraceful names...

Like I have said before, there are lots of other labels/names that I can live with, i.e, asshole, dumbass, shitface, motherfucker, jerkmo, stupmo, shithead, asswipe, ect... They are all fine...

Bigot, racism or any other label that you try to stick on me because you refuse to deal with your ignorance while belittling the things I have done in my life is going to inspire me to deviate from Dr. King's teachings...

BTW, if you really want to understand the Civil Rights movement, buy and read, "At The Dark End of the Street" by Danielle L. McGuire just for starters... By the time you get to the end of that book you'll have just a clue, just a glimpse, of what I have been talking about...

Now, until you either make some changes to become less ignorant of Civil Rights, of language as it relates to race and of your own little needs to attack/stalk me then I'd suggest that you go back to arguing with me about other stuff... There's no shortgae of it that won't force me to deal with you on a different level...

You know my position... That won't change...

B~

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Nov 10 - 10:17 AM

Be nice if he took steps to become less ignorant across the board, Bobert.

the Civil Rights movement is merely one of a score or more of subjects of which he is demonstrably ignorant.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Nov 10 - 11:54 PM

The Tea Party movement is not racist, Vice President Joe Biden said yesterday, though he believes that some Tea Partiers have expressed racist views.

"Very conservative, very different views on government and a whole lot of things," Biden said during an interview broadcast on ABC's "This Week." "But it is not a racist organization."

President Obama doesn't think so, either, Biden said.Asked if the President agrees with Jimmy Carter's claim yesterday that race is driving the anger at Obama and his agenda, Gibbs said he doesn't.

"The president does not believe that criticism comes based on the color of his skin," Gibbs said. He treated the protests with a striking degree of respect, saying the White House understands that "people have disagreements" over the administration's initiatives on the auto industry and the economy.

"The president does not believe that it's based on the color of his skin," Gibbs repeated.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 08:43 AM

Biden was speaking as a "politican"....

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 10:49 PM

The Tea Party is only looking after your best interests. If you're a white property-owning male.

Tea Party Leader: Restricting Voting to Property Owners 'Makes a Lot of Sense'


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 09:31 AM

What next, mouse??? Callin' off the Emancipation Proclamation??? I mean, where does this end??? What year in American history would the Tea Partiers agree on as the ideal year to return the country to in order for them to feel they have "their country back"??? I've heard folks us the early 1920s as the perfect time for these folks but looks more like the 1820s with what they say they want...

Well, here's my idea... Let's use some tax money for a good cause and fund a bigass time mnachine, stuff all the Tea Partiers into it like a bigass elevator, hit the 1820 button and let 'um have what they want...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 03:25 PM

Looks to me like they want 1620. With a few modern amenities of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 06:33 PM

I guess you mean Budweiser and NASCAR, mouse???


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 10:56 PM

MGD


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 11:47 PM

Biden was speaking as a "politican"....

Oh, I got it now "politicans" tell lies and Libs eat it up.

And I have been complimenting Obama all along for not turning everything into a racial issue and now Bobert claims he is just being a disingenuous "politican".


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 07:21 AM

Define "lib"....


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 10:10 AM

Bobert: What next, mouse???

How about, trying to unseat the Texas House speaker because he's Jewish? Kinda fits your thread title too. And, deliciously, one of the bigots even defends himself by saying some of his best friends are Jews!


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 12:00 PM

Damn! Makes me so proud to be an Amerikun I could just shit.

Of course the TeaBaggers aren't racist bigots.........


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 08:47 PM

Thanks fir the links, mouse...

I hadn't heard this one but it doesn't surprise me one bit... Reminds me of the rednecks I have grown up with who delight in sayin', "I ain't got nuthin' against Negroes... Some of my best friends are Negroes..."

Yeah, Bubba, name one???

What, cat got yer tongue, Bubba???

Wait until these folks find out that Eric Cantor is Jewish...

I mean, after what??? 500 posts here??? Seems that no one has been able to lay out a defense of these people's bigotry...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 09:53 AM

Discussing Civil Rights Era, a Governor Is Criticized
By MICHAEL D. SHEAR
Published: December 20, 2010

WASHINGTON — In an interview that set off a new round of debate on Monday about racial attitudes and politics, Gov. Haley Barbour of Mississippi, a potential Republican presidential candidate, recalled the 1960s civil rights struggle in his hometown, Yazoo City, saying, "I just don't remember it as being that bad."

In a profile published Monday in The Weekly Standard, Mr. Barbour also talked about the White Citizens' Councils of the late 1960s, which opposed racial integration. Mr. Barbour, a teenager and young adult during the 1960s, said that in his town, they were a positive force, praising them as "an organization of town leaders" who refused to tolerate the racist attitudes of the Ku Klux Klan.

The comments came as Mr. Barbour, 62, is actively considering a bid for the White House, and the governor's political opponents and some civil rights groups quickly seized on the remarks.

Derrick Johnson, president of the Mississippi N.A.A.C.P., told The Huffington Post, "It's beyond disturbing — it's offensive that he would take that approach to the history of this state to many African-Americans who had to suffer as a result of the policies and practices of the Citizens Council."

More recently, Mr. Barbour came to the defense of Gov. Bob McDonnell of Virginia, who had omitted any mention of slavery in his office's annual declaration of April as Confederate History Month. Interviewed on CNN, Mr. Barbour dismissed the incident.

"To me, it's a sort of feeling that it's a nit, that it is not significant," he said, adding that it was "trying to make a big deal out of something doesn't amount to diddly."


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 11:16 AM

Guess "that bad" depends on what end of the night-stick or fire-hose you find yerself on???


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 12:16 PM

Yeah, or which end of the police dog & cattle prod.

Or, for that matter, which end of the rope. Guess Ol' Haley never heard of Goodwin, Schwerner & Chaney. Of course, Philadelphia is two counties east of Haley's home town....


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 01:34 PM

Jim Crow laws "don't amount to diddly"? What a tool.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Stringsinger
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 03:28 PM

There are those in the Tea Party who are misguided and some are racists, not all.
What needs to happen is that the Tea Party need to join with the Left to resist corporate power and its takeover of the government. The government can serve the people if Wall Street is curtailed. In the meantime, it's as much John Roberts as it is Dick Armey.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 06:19 PM

We are on the same page there, Strings...

I have suggested that progressives Senators and Reps should pick out a couple of the incoming Tea Partiers and take them to lunch...

There will come a time when Southern Man will figure out that Boss Hog has been using the crud outta him... When that day comes, everything will change for the progressive side... Might as well push it along...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 06:22 PM

Jim Crow laws "don't amount to diddly"?

No, Mouse, Ol' Haley was saying that SLAVERY didn't amount to diddly.

He's way beyond a tool.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 09:23 AM

Fact: Ol' Haley attended Ol' Miss several after federal marshals had to escort James Meridith to the school to desegregate it...

Fact: Though the black population in Mississippi was over 20% when Ol' Haley was at Ol' Miss the actual black enrollment was less that 1% when Ol' Hale3y went there...

Fact: Yazoo City, Ol' Haley's home town did not desegregate nuntil 16 years after Brown v. Topeka, Board of Education...

Fact: Jeppie Barbour, Ol' Haley's older brother and then mayor of Yazoo City, Ms. only desegregated after being threatened with federal intervention and is quoted as saying, "We don't have much other choice."...

Fact: After the Brown v. Topeka Board of Education decision the local Yazoo City KKK tried to change it's image and organized "Citizens Council" which bullied and put pressure on the community to keep schools segregated...

Interpretation: Ol' Haley wouldn't know a fact if it bit him on his ass...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 12:22 PM

Jumpin' Jeeezis, Bobert, its them dang pesky FACTS again, ain't it???

They oughta be outlawed, ya know?

I shore am lookin' forward to President Barbour, ain't you?
The level of brain death current in the country, I don't put this beyond a possibility....


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 12:25 PM

Jumpin' Jeeezis, Bobert, its them dang pesky FACTS again, ain't it???

They oughta be outlawed, ya know?


Just try to publish too many facts at once and they haul your ass in for sexual impropriety.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 06:29 PM

Hey, if I'm gonna do the time at least wait until I've done the crime...

But on a serious note, there ain't no way in the world that a man as down right ugly as Ol' Haley can get elected president... I mean, he makes Lyndon Johnson look like a Playgirl centerfold... Sho nuff does... I mean, I look at Ol' Haley and automatically think of one rather obnoxious hog that I once saw at the McKaffe's farm... There was a railroad track that run right next to that farm and word is that a coal train with a 174 fully loaded cars saw that hog, jumped tracks and took a dirt road... That is ugly, folks, and as God as my witness that hog looked a heck of alot better than Ol' Haley...

Face it, the only thing that Ol' Haley need to run for is a good plastic surgeon...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 08:08 PM

Weeel, I dunno - ya gots Mrs. Palin- she ain't any less an arsehole han Haley.........


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 08:14 PM

Yeah, but she is a...


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 08:15 PM

...knockout!!!

And...

...500, to boot!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 05 Mar 11 - 03:31 PM

I brought up the subject of what's going to happen after we take over the government. You know, we become responsible for administrating, you know, 250 million people. And there was no answer. No one had given any thought to economics. How are you going to clothe and feed these people? The only thing that I could get was that they expected that the Cubans, the North Vietnamese, the Chinese and the Russians would all want to occupy different portions of the United States. They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution. And they felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education in the Southwest where we would take all of the people who needed to be re‑educated into the new way of thinking and teach them how things were going to be. I asked, "Well, what is going to happen to those people that we can't re‑educate, that are die-hard capitalists?" And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated and when I pursued this further, they estimated that they'd have to eliminate 25 million people in these re‑education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill 25 million people. I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of whom have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well-known educational centers and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people and they were dead serious.


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