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BS: Ten Smartest Dogs

GUEST,K9 21 Mar 09 - 12:32 PM
GUEST,LynnT 19 Mar 09 - 09:49 PM
GUEST,Nick E 19 Mar 09 - 09:03 PM
McGrath of Harlow 19 Mar 09 - 08:31 PM
katlaughing 19 Mar 09 - 07:33 PM
Richard Bridge 19 Mar 09 - 07:10 PM
GUEST,Green Wellies 19 Mar 09 - 05:50 AM
Bee-dubya-ell 19 Mar 09 - 12:12 AM
Joybell 18 Mar 09 - 06:09 PM
Victor in Mapperton 18 Mar 09 - 10:50 AM
GUEST,green wellies 18 Mar 09 - 10:01 AM
GUEST,Smartest dog 17 Mar 09 - 12:21 PM
John Hardly 15 Mar 09 - 07:58 AM
Becca72 15 Mar 09 - 07:15 AM
katlaughing 15 Mar 09 - 01:07 AM
kendall 14 Mar 09 - 04:10 PM
TRUBRIT 13 Mar 09 - 09:15 PM
Richard Bridge 13 Mar 09 - 07:53 PM
Joybell 13 Mar 09 - 07:43 PM
GUEST,Sorch 13 Mar 09 - 07:17 PM
frogprince 13 Mar 09 - 07:12 PM
GUEST,Sorch 13 Mar 09 - 07:11 PM
VirginiaTam 13 Mar 09 - 06:57 PM
frogprince 13 Mar 09 - 06:54 PM
Riginslinger 13 Mar 09 - 06:30 PM
robomatic 13 Mar 09 - 04:34 PM
bobad 13 Mar 09 - 04:27 PM
Becca72 13 Mar 09 - 04:17 PM
Goose Gander 13 Mar 09 - 04:02 PM
Becca72 13 Mar 09 - 02:38 PM
Richard Bridge 13 Mar 09 - 01:40 PM
John Hardly 13 Mar 09 - 11:26 AM
Megan L 13 Mar 09 - 09:41 AM
GUEST,heric 13 Mar 09 - 09:35 AM
Jeri 13 Mar 09 - 09:18 AM
Richard Bridge 13 Mar 09 - 09:17 AM
kendall 13 Mar 09 - 09:02 AM
Becca72 13 Mar 09 - 08:40 AM
Richard Bridge 13 Mar 09 - 07:58 AM
Becca72 13 Mar 09 - 07:29 AM
Janie 13 Mar 09 - 07:08 AM
GUEST,.gargoyle 13 Mar 09 - 06:47 AM
John Hardly 13 Mar 09 - 06:10 AM
Nigel Parsons 13 Mar 09 - 06:04 AM
mandotim 13 Mar 09 - 06:00 AM
Richard Bridge 13 Mar 09 - 05:05 AM
katlaughing 12 Mar 09 - 11:58 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: GUEST,K9
Date: 21 Mar 09 - 12:32 PM

Say what you like, Brian's a lot smarter than Peter...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: GUEST,LynnT
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 09:49 PM

Speaking of border collies, have you folks seen this one? Turn the volume up when you play it, eh?

Extreme Sheepherding

LynnT


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: GUEST,Nick E
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 09:03 PM

I have a dachshunt that can dial long distance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 08:31 PM

Ten smartest dogs should mean ten smartest dogs, not ten allegedly smartest breeds of dogs.

In which case, if it were possible to find them, I strongly suspect it would turn out they didn't belong to any breed, but were mongrels.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 07:33 PM

John, thanks for the link! I think I'll see if I can find the vid we did of Montee and put it up on youtube.

Victor, they surely do leave a hole in our hearts. My daughter has three boxers, all under three years old. Her husband has an old pit bull who rides herd on them all, "Nanny Dizzy." I don't even want to think what it will be like for my grandson when they all go.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 07:10 PM

Come to think of it, we go to work, fight with bank managers, buy dogfood, stress out, get married and divorced, get psychotherapy for our children - while dogs sleep by the fire, eat dogfood, and sleep by the fire some more. I reckon that makes ALL of them smarter than most of us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: GUEST,Green Wellies
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 05:50 AM

One of our Border Collies is more likely to locate the quail and tell them to sit tight, while she runs off in the opposite direction - but we love her! (and she ran into the tree while chasing a squirrel).


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 12:12 AM

As John Hardly alluded early in this thread, the perception of canine "intelligence" is very much a matter of how the dog's abilities correspond with the owner's needs and expectations. A sheep herder might think a German Short-haired Pointer is the dumbest animal on earth, but show me a Border Collie who can locate a covey of quail, indicate their location to a hunter, flush them upon command, and retrieve them after they've been shot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Joybell
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 06:09 PM

Thank you John. That's great.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 10:50 AM

I had two Boxers, one for twelve years and the other for fourteen. They could have almost talked to you. Both died of kidney failure, I think it must be in the breed as my sister lost hers to the same illness.

The loss of a pet leaves an almighty hole in your life, much more than realise.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: GUEST,green wellies
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 10:01 AM

Border Collies are considered extremely intellegent, however the last two we have are so completely different they may as well be different breeds.

Gyp: Typical BC, does not move from your side until given a command, totally faithful, dependable, reliable, fun, chases balls brings them back, works sheep for anybody beautifully.

Fly: Complete deliquent, steals food, sleeps on the sofa, ignors any command unless the word 'biscuit' is in the sentence, clears off home when she get board, will not venture outside in the dark, rain, cold weather, has to sit on front passenger seat of RangeRover, chases the horses (has been kicked twice - but still chases the same horse), hates sheep.

Both bitches, trained in exactly the same way by the same methods. In fact the only difference is one is from Worcestershire and the other is from Cornwall - and I'm not telling which is which. !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: GUEST,Smartest dog
Date: 17 Mar 09 - 12:21 PM

Duh a BORDER COLLIE


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: John Hardly
Date: 15 Mar 09 - 07:58 AM

Surely yo've all seen this ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Becca72
Date: 15 Mar 09 - 07:15 AM

Kat,
that sounds like my Husky. When in trouble she would stomp her feet and "yell" back at you. She also learned to say "out, mumma" and once, just once, I got her to say "I wuf oooo".


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Mar 09 - 01:07 AM

We had a Doberman-German Shepherd mix, Shu-Montu aka Monty, who was hilarious and loyal. He could scare the bejaysus out of anyone threatening us, but loved all kids and the neighbours. He *talked* all of the time when spoken to. We taught him to say "I love you" which came out "I wuf ooo" and he would cuss a blue streak when told to do something he didn't want to like come inside when I told him to. He would go out on a long rope, from our porch, trail it behind him, down about ten steps, then over into the side yard under an apple tree. Sometimes, he would have so much fun playing, he'd get the rope wound round the tree. When I would step out to bring him in, I tell him to "go round" to unwind the rope. If he went the wrong way, I say "No, the other way" and he would turn round, though cussing me out the whole time. The whole neighbourhood loved that dog.

I've since seen drill teams of Dobies with their owners/handlers and have learned they tend to have some clownish antics up their sleeves as a breed. It certainly came out in him. He loved lying on his back and looked like a bat because his ears were huge and would flop out just like batwings.:-)

I've read elsewhere that McNabs are often called McNab Collies, leaving out the "Border" part. For some great stories about them, from folks who worked cattle, sheep, and even reindeer with them, Please Click Here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: kendall
Date: 14 Mar 09 - 04:10 PM

I thought they were named for the area where they were developed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 09:15 PM

Thanks fot the explanation of German Shepherds v. Alsations. I just thought we Brits called them Alsations and yanks called them German Shephers and never really asked why.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 07:53 PM

Parson Jacks and Jacks are different. I'm not sure if the Kennel Club has yet recognised either as breeding true.

Most things sold as Jacks are small short-haired terrier mongrels. I have a friend, much into pikey (justified in this case) dog breeders, from whom he got two Jacks - an alleged "mini-Jack", probably a Jackx2-Chihuahua-whippet cross - tiny with bat-ears, ran like the wind for her size and yapped a lot - and a "Bull-Jack" which was a bit like a smaller Staffordshire Bull Terrier - about twice the width of a Jack, and jaws like a mechanical digger. Turned my Great Dane over twice, before the day she got him in her mouth from end-to-end (yep, head to tail, not across his back) after which he showed more respect. Allegedly his sire was "The Rat" well known on the Essex dog fighting scene. The dog was taken into the local pub (now shut) once. A local travelling boy (hard as nails, ex 2-para) said "What the fuck is that? Good fighting dog. I know fighting dogs, let me see." He got bitten, the landords LabX got turned over, Bosun shat on the carpet, pissed on three table-legs, and left in disgrace. Both had to be rehomed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Joybell
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 07:43 PM

I once read about an intelligence test someone thought up. It involved putting various animals behind a closed door that had a handle that could be opened with a bit of perseverance. They had various ways of setting it up. The results were quite interesting for cats because they would work on the problem and almost always solve it and get out. The dogs sometimes did and also showed intelligence in doing it. The results were skewed somewhat by the dogs that sat at the door and barked.   Asking for help from humans who were known to be able to open doors was considered to be intelligent too.
Just because I can't help myself I have to say that if I ever chose to have another dog it would have to be a German Shepherd. I've known lots of different dogs but that's how it is for me. Thank you my late old friend.
Cheers, Joy


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: GUEST,Sorch
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 07:17 PM

And now the AKC in it's infinite wisdom has decided that Jack Russels are now Parson Russles in the US. I'm sorry, but...they are NOT identical. The Parsons have MUCH longer legs and are heavier bodied.

The Alstation thing started when Germany was bombing the crap out of England and the English didn't want to say the word 'German'


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: frogprince
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 07:12 PM

Oh, Lord; Jack Russels. My older sister got talked into taking a young Jack Russel from someone whose kid turned out to be allergic to it. It's an outrageous dog option for an older lady, in a small house, with no knack for teaching obedience. At least it has mellowed significantly after a couple of years. Dumb, it isn't. But when I first encountered it, I was about ready to write it off as totally "nucking futs". But, yes, so darn much fun so much of the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: GUEST,Sorch
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 07:11 PM

Yes, an Alstasian is the same as a German Shepherd Dog.

frogprince, I wonder if you had 'Bearded collie'? They look a LOT like an OES, but they have a tail


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 06:57 PM

Used to be a dog walker. Shitzu aren't good for anything but leaving ass dragging skidmarks on the carpet. Golden Retrievers are lovely. Took care of 2 black labs. One was nice animal, the other a bear to walk. She just would not be controlled. I was on muscle relaxers after walking that dog. Little poodles are smart but kind of needy. Spoiled rotten maltese, 3 yorkies, and a chiuaua not so much fun. Paranoid miniature collie, impossible to get onto lead. Cocker spaniels pretty dumb. Springers ok and obedient. Jack Russels a barrel of fun.

Wow! Thanks for the trip down memory lane.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: frogprince
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 06:54 PM

Doggone it, Richard B., now you've got me wondering just what we had there. We're talking a lot of years since we acquired him, but I could have sworn he was sold as an " English Sheepdog" or "English Shepherd". I know he was no collie, and he didn't match any of the others you listed; of those, an Old English is the closest, but he didn't have anywhere near as shaggy a coat, or hair over his eyes. He was mostly black, with white boots, chest, and stray markings.
I wish now I had a picture of him around.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 06:30 PM

Do not know about Alsations.         

    But while we're talking about problems, my dog started itching all the time. Finally I took him to the vet and she said he was allergic to his dog food. I've since been forced to buy dog food through the vet's office over the internet, and it costs a fortune. Is this a problem anyone is familiar with.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: robomatic
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 04:34 PM

Is a German Shepherd the same thing as an Alsation?

Long wondered


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: bobad
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 04:27 PM

"Maybe I'm being dense but what difference does it make if blue=grey and white=white when you're a dog? It's still distinguishing between colors..."

If the dog were color blind it would see one as light the other as dark, I presume.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Becca72
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 04:17 PM

"Feeding the dog MSG or pumpkin is believed to give feces a bad taste, making it less attractive to the dog."

but it already tastes like.....oh nevermind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Goose Gander
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 04:02 PM

Why Does My Dog Eat Feces? - question answered by Theresa A. Fuess, Ph.D.

The example of females and their pups makes sense, don't know about those other pooches.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Becca72
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 02:38 PM

"Having grown up with black % white TV, I know blue is grey and white is white."

Maybe I'm being dense but what difference does it make if blue=grey and white=white when you're a dog? It's still distinguishing between colors...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 01:40 PM

Very interesting, John. That begins to explain why my youngest pointer (long since gone) could be perceived to watch television and apparently identify huntable animals, (rabbits, cats, etc, despite the difference in scale) on the TV screen even with the sound off. It was however hilarious to see her try to find the sound, sometimes...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: John Hardly
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 11:26 AM

Dogs aren't color blind. Like most animals that a genetically predisposed to hunt in the twilight and dawn hours -- in low light, they have fewer (by percentage) cones than rods.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Megan L
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 09:41 AM

Dogs are not smart - if they were they wouldnt live with humans


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 09:35 AM

Mine doesn't eat dog poo but at the nearby field where the geese hang out it's as if she's fallen into heaven with ju-jube candies sprinkled everywhere. I was horrified but all the other owners report the same.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 09:18 AM

Having grown up with black % white TV, I know blue is grey and white is white.

When my mother was little they had a dog that had a route. One time, my mom was really sick and needed medicine and her mother couldn't leave her. The sent the dog off with a note and carrying a little pail in its mouth. Its route included the small store where it always stopped for a visit. The woman at the store read the note, put the medicine in the dog's pail and the dog returned home.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 09:17 AM

Yes, coprophagous dogs are not uncommon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: kendall
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 09:02 AM

I've never had a dog that ate its own, or another dogs poop.

Maybe that how those little "Cats that bark" got their name..shit sues.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Becca72
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 08:40 AM

We thought the same, Richard, but he can definitely tell the difference.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 07:58 AM

That's interesting Becca. I have always understood dogs to be colourblind. That bone must smell different!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Becca72
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 07:29 AM

My sister has had 3 "ornamental" pugs and all have been highly intelligent. The one she has now (Owen) is 3 years old and if you ask him to bring you his blue bone (as opposed to his white one which is identical in every other aspect) he will bring you the correct one 100% of the time. He is also one of the funniest dogs I've ever met.

My Siberian Husky was also extremely smart but very mouthy and high-strung...true to the breed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Janie
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 07:08 AM

Smartest dog? A good mutt!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 06:47 AM

I have "borrowed" many dogs through the years .

I do not beleive I could tolerate a "stupid dog."

The most loving and dedicated and strong-willed (it jumped through a glass window - ripped apart one inch plank gates to get back into the yard it escaped and went one-on-one with automobiles more than once - and yet liked the dog-catcher so much it would jump into the truck when they opened the door - maybe it was the air-conditioning) was an American Pit Bull weighing in at a LEAN 88 pounds. VERY Smart - really understood two way communication with humans and invented its own "words" that it taught you....It knew most of the following - but did not play "MoJo Search" or climb ladders....or hang-loose.

But the absolute smartest Dog was a Retreiver/Black Lab/Chow mix....and reading the above list regarding 200 commands - I believe this one came close. I cannot recall them all. If someone said, "That's cool - but I have a friend whose dog can...." then that became the next month's lesson. There were no limits.

Every month I was inventing new stunts and new stories (aka patter) to go along with the performances. Hand-signal commands which the dog can see but someone else cannot are especially good with a twisted story (me? never!!!) and a "hang loose" finish to the story brought roars of laughter.

Of course Bear knew all the plebian routines that any respectable dog knows in their first two years:
Shake (L&R)
Sit
Lay
Speak
Stay (even for 5 minutes with no one visible and with others walking by)
Fetch
Catch
and Frisbee Catch

But also the standard cool ones like:
Get the outside news-paper from the sidewalk and drop it at your feet with you sitting on the sofa inside
Flip the biscut off the nose and into the mouth on command
Open the sliding door
Dance
Annie- Annie - Over Game

And then the unusual:
Climb a 10 foot ladder
Search an entire room/yard/house for a specific hidden object with a specific smell
Hang Loose - roll on the back and spread the legs
Play Dead - when shot with a finger and the word "Bang!"
Retreave an object Under Water 8 feet down

A stupid dog is no pleasure. I have witnessed a smart cat completly flumix and infuriatate a dumb dog for hours until the cat would become bored and finish the torment with a claw across the poor beast's nose.

Dogs share a kinship with man that a cat would never tolerate.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: John Hardly
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 06:10 AM

You left off Underdog and Snoopy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 06:04 AM

1, Lassie
2, Pickles
3, Rin Tin Tin
4, Timmy (Enid Blyton)
5, Huckleberry Hound
6, Droopy
7, Spike (Tom & Jerry)
8, Pluto
9, Deputy Dawg
10, Hong Kong Phooey


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: mandotim
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 06:00 AM

I wonder if there is something here about hybrid vigour? Collies apart, the cleverest dogs I've come across have been mongrels of one sort or another. That said, I have a Jack Russell who displays real signs of intelligence. He's a working dog, a famous ratter in our area, and a genuine assassin who also catches a lot of rabbits (we're overrun with Bugs and his friends round here!). He's not really fast enough over the ground to catch an adult rabbit, but this is where the intelligence comes in. He's worked out that a rabbit will run a short distance, then jink either right or left when pursued. He actively gambles; he anticipates the change of direction, and jinks just before the rabbit does. If he guesses wrong the rabbit gets away. If not, RIP Bugs.
He's also really good at obedience and agility classes, regularly winning prizes. (Although he won't do the 'little dogs' agility course, because like all Russells he considers himself a 'big dog'). I'm a psychologist by training, and he seems to demonstrate some cognitive ability when compared to my other dog, a Lakeland terrier who is as daft as a box of frogs. I suppose the question is always 'how much is breeding, how much is instinct, how much is handler-induced and how much is actual 'thinking'?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 05:05 AM

Frogprince, there are several different British herding dogs - just a few of the better known

Border Collie (only recently recognised by Kennel Club)
Rough Collie (think "Lassie")
Smooth Collie (aka English Cur")
Shetland Collie
Bearded Collie
Old English Sheepdog ("Dulux Dog" - actually a livestock guard, not a herder)
Lancashire Heeler
Corgi (both types)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 11:58 PM

LOL...sure Spaw...my Merls might have some kinda psycho thing going on with food, but I've always thought that was like normal for all dogs, ya know?!**bg**

heric, your shih tzu sounds like a smartie and a lot of fun!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 11:20 PM

All of them eat fecal matter which has got to be a mental condition and in fact an evolutionary defect of some magnitude.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 10:27 PM

Thank you Rig.

Actually Weims generally come in around the 20 level but like Schnauzers they have a very "human" brain and are extremely needy of and wanting to give companionship. Which brings up something else dogs have which are mental conditions.....LOL.....True though. And they range from genetic problems as has been lately experienced with Springers to the Weimaraner problem with Separation Anxiety.

I think that somewhere in the ratings they need to throw in the mental illness factor...............lol


Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Ten Smartest Dogs
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 10:12 PM

The only reason weimerweiners weren't on the list is because they're too smart to test.


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