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Subject: carol thatcher death threats
From: goatfell
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 09:16 AM

I know what she did was wrong but as she says she just wants to forget about it and I agree igot this from a website


Death threats made to Carol Thatcher, agent claims
Carol Thatcher has received death threats over her comments likening a black tennis player to a "golliwog".

By Ben Leach
Last Updated: 11:55PM GMT 07 Feb 2009

The former BBC presenter has gone into hiding in Switzerland following the furore over the incident, her agent said.

Miss Thatcher, 55, is understood to be considering suing the BBC over her dismissal from The One Show.

Her agent claims that she also has received threats from individuals angry at Miss Thatcher's remarks.

She said: "I've asked the media to stop using my name as I don't want this kind of hassle. It's been an awful time. We've even had death threats.

"I've been involved in some high-profile things in my career but nothing like this. I'm shocked at the reaction to this. It's absolutely stupid and I just want to forget about it."

Miss Thatcher, a former winner of ITV game show I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here, made the comment in front of comedian Jo Brand and One show presenter Adrian Chiles after a recording of the show.

The BBC has received 3,300 complaints about its decision to drop Thatcher – the daughter of former prime minister Lady Thatcher – from BBC1's The One Show, with just 60 calls and emails in favour of its action.

Her agent added: "We stand by our comments. Miss Thatcher wishes to maintain a dignified silence and not be implicated in this tit-for-tat behaviour."


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 09:23 AM

This belongs in BS and

As the last Carole Thatcher thread (applaudingly) landed in the closed threads tomb this one is likely to do the same.

If the Thatcher idjit is so stupid to make such a racist comment, I think she deserves the hate being poured on her.

I am now more determined to learn how to sing Strange Fruit and not weep while I do it.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 09:25 AM

I think that the last thread ended up in BS because it was started by a guest.

It is illegal to make death threats so I hope the police are investigating it.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 09:26 AM

Sorry meant ended up being deleted, nothing to do with BS.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: goatfell
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 09:27 AM

so no one is allowed to use free speech anymore and I think that is wrong to send death threats to anyone I just that doesnt happen to you


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,Stephen
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 09:33 AM

She said something silly in a private conversation. Noone died and its not fair to blame the evils of the world on one person who makes such a comment, which I understand was comparing a tennis stars hairstyle with that of a gollywog on a jam jar.

Big deal get over it.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 09:35 AM

I made a complete mess of my previous posts!

I totally agree with you Goatfell. She most certainly does not deserve the hate being poured on her and it should be forgotten now.

Just to clarify what I was trying to say before (third time lucky). BS threads are not allowed to be started by guests and so I imagine that is why it was deleted.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: goatfell
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 09:50 AM

thank you eanjay


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 10:05 AM

This is not a freedom of speech issue.

A racist comment made in any workplace is grounds for reprimand at least if not for dismissal. If such a comment makes any colleague uncomfortable they have a right to seek redress, whether or not it is aimed at them specifically.

Check the Equaltiy and Diversity policy where you work.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: The Villan
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 10:25 AM

>>If such a comment makes any colleague uncomfortable they have a right to seek redress<<

Death threats - come on, nobody deserves that.

I hope you never say anything out of place Tam

Dear me what is this world coming to.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 10:32 AM

Absolutly, Villan.
Balanced, unhysterical posts from both you and eanjay. Thank God there are a few of us still sane.
Thatcher was wrong to make racist comments, no matter where she made them, and deserves a reprimand. But making death threats is far, far worse, and no-one deserves such threats.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: goatfell
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 10:39 AM

3,300 complaints were made to the bbc and only 20 calls were in favour of Carol Thatcher to get the sack I don't see how this gets a woman death threats no one has the right to do so or even agreeing with these eejits that issue them.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 10:42 AM

Goatfell, they're the same kind of people who spray-paint graffiti on public buildings, or send out viruses on the internet. Sick, and very, very sad little people.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 10:44 AM

Good luck with Strange Fruit VTam, amazing song. It'd never suit my voice though.

Thatchers just another bigoted little twat, how long do we have to poke up with these moneyed, sheltered, dinosaur fuckwits? FFS get with the 21st C already!

Mmm and there's me guessing that all the people that passionately support C. Thatch, are exactly the same people who bayed for the blood of Brand &Co for *their* bad taste humour...


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 10:48 AM

I am not for the death threats. I never said I was. I never would be. I said she deserved to be hated. Please read what I say and don't over interpret.

It was astoundingly stupid of her to make such a comment in a place where it had the potential to go global. That it has, it no one's fault but her own. Those threats are coming from the wider public, not those who were in direct hearing and made the initial complaint.

Also she is a celebrity uber times over. She will eventially come out of this whole thing smiling with a book deal and talk show spots.

There is nothing sane about any of it. I am saying no more.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: The Villan
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 10:51 AM

There is a difference between being unhappy with either, Rosie and wanting to issue a death threat.

Nobody is suggesting that Thatcher is right or supporting her, just like Brand & Co. Obviously she needs to be dealt with appropriately.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN DEATH THREATS Rosie

>>Thatchers just another bigoted little twat, how long do we have to poke up with these moneyed, sheltered, dinosaur fuckwits?<<

Your comments are even worse Rosie IMHO


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 11:13 AM

I don't recall saying I approve of death threats either.

But I for one am getting sick of hearing about ignorami like C. Thatcher behaving like they belong in prehistory, and assuming everyone else should happily tolerate it. She's sounding pretty self-piteous at the moment. And I find it tiresome.

A 'twat'/'fuck wit' is simply commonplace slang for 'very stupid indeed'. What she did showed that she is very stupid indeed (ie. a bigoted twat and a fuck wit). And as for 'dinosaur' well that just means acts like she comes from the dark ages, which indeed she did.

Nothing I said was incorrect. I reacted with annoyance at the amount of apologists who seem to jump up to defend the behaviour of public figures like this who behave in such racist fashion.
I've nothing to retract.

AND THERE IS NO NEED TO SHOUT AT ME... I don't have failing eyesight thanks.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 11:13 AM

Worse than what?

Are you saying that Rosie's expression of her opinion is worse than a death threat? I hope you never say anything out of place Villan

BTW Some graffiti is quite beautiful and as such is a considered an art form. Luckily there are places that provide venue space for the work. I work right next door to one.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 11:26 AM

Everyone ready? You all know the tune - here we go, all sing along.......!

"Here we are again,
Happy as can be,
All good friends and jolly good company."


Maybe Al has a point.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: skarpi
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 11:28 AM

And who is carol Tacher ?? never heard of her


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 11:31 AM

Ex UK Prime Ministers daughter, Skarpi.
And a journalist, and TV celebrity here in UK.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 11:34 AM

I don't really approve of the use of a synonym for the female pudendum as a term of abuse.   But I am happy generally to abuse Carol Thatcher, who seems to me to be indeed a right-wing bigoted beneficiary of the money and position of her parents (although not perhaps so unpleasant as Mark Thatcher or their mother).

We do not however know exactly what she said, and bigotry in private (as she thought she was) is not a hanging offence nor a proper matter for death threats.

IMHO, to jsutify dismissal her misconduct would have needed to be something done in the performance of her duties - and so the "offence" was borderline justification for dismissal.

Ross and Brand however behaved like the worst sort of pack bullies, picking with the communication power of the BBC in the course of their duties on a defenceless old man.

It would be fair revenge on them to print photos of them being [insert details of something very unpleasant].   I would have dismissed both of them instantly.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 11:37 AM

Regards R & B they behaved very stupidly too. As did the programme producers in allowing the programme to go to air.

And to clarify again. Death threats are indeed not at all something I could condone.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 11:38 AM

Any nutter can make meaningless death threats.
Her mother's friend, Augusto Pinochet took it a step further when he rounded up many thousands of his opponents, mainly young people, students etc., into Santiago Stadium where they were raped, tortured and eventually 'disappeared'.
Her mother played a prominent part in preventing him from going to trial and he died unpunished.
Racist statements by media employees need to be treated seriously; she should not be allowed to work for the BBC or any body which puts her in the public eye again - not a matter of freedom of speech, but the right of people to live their lives unmolested and unpersecuted by these racist scum.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 11:49 AM

I blame Grecian 2000


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 12:04 PM

Who is she and what did she do?


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: pdq
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 12:15 PM

"Her mother played a prominent part in preventing him {Augusto Pinochet} from going to trial and he died unpunished."

First, the sins of Augusto Pinochet are not those of Margaret Thatcher. I don't recall her killing anyone as you describe.

Second, if Maggie did something wrong, the responsibility is strictly on her, not on her daughter.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: The Villan
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 12:20 PM

>>Are you saying that Rosie's expression of her opinion is worse than a death threat? <<

No

Glad to know that you and Rosie are not supporting the death threat people :-)


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: bubblyrat
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 12:38 PM

Just around the corner from my house is a famous (at least,I think it is ) "Teddy Bear " shop.In the window,on prominent display are LOTS and LOTS of GOLLIWOGS. Big ones---Little ones ----Expensive ones --Cheap ones ----they even have their own newspaper, "The Golliwog Times " !! So---where are the protesters in Henley-on Thames ?? The riots ?? The petrol-bombs ?? The legions of Political Thought Police?? The enforcers of Political Correctness ??The Apologists ?? The Bleeding Heart Liberals ??
            I mean, if you REALLY and HONESTLY feel that bad about a word that,as a child, I grew up with,for God's sake,why don't you actually DO SOMETHING about it ?? Come to Henley !! Burn the shop !! Kill the family who run this gentle little business !!Kill Carole Thatcher !! Kill anyone who asks for a "Black " coffee, or gives someone a "Black" look. Go on-----put your money where your mouth is !!


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 12:47 PM

We have 2 gollywogs in our fluffy toy collection on our spare bed. I sometimes leave one as if shagging the penguin and we have a good laugh, or sometimes I leave both of them playing at being homos - even bigger laugh!!!!!


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: goatfell
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 01:13 PM

I have a keyring with a gollywog on it but I keep it in my house because ther will people out there that are totally Pc


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 01:15 PM

I'm beginning to take quite a shine to you Bubbly!


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 01:17 PM

I'm not a fan of Carol Thatcher. It has nothing to do with her mother, for I believe in 'Do Not Visit The Sins of The Fathers - or Mothers - Upon The Children' . It's because I've never been able to understand how she gets the jobs in broadcasting that she does. For me, there are far more talented people around who are far more deserving of the jobs she's given.

I can understand people of a younger age taking offence at what she said.

However...............

..I'm of an 'older' age, and for me, the term 'Golliwog' is no different to 'Teddy Bear', in that when I was growing up (I'm 53) golliwogs were toys. I *always* wanted a golly, but was never allowed one. There were *never* any racist overtones to it for me, or for any of my friends.

Robertson's Marmalade and Jams used to have their Robertson Golly on every single one of their jars, and as kids we'd save the labels up and send off for the little badges, and Oh how I loved those badges! :0) It was entirely innocent and I never grew up to use the word in an abusive manner.

Robertson's Golly


I think it's sad that 'gollywog' has become yet another word to hang people with, because to me it has no racist meaning at all, but then I come from a time when 'gay' also meant happy, so what do I know?

But those of you who are younger, and who choose to see racists/religiousists/facists/sexisits/dailymailitists in every person that you don't like, just remember, that once upon a time, words were said in innocence...

And once upon a time we didn't all report on one another, or take each other to court over things.

Once upon a time, before we reached '1984', the world was, on the whole, a somewhat gentler place.

I don't think she deserves to be hated for this. That would put her, for me, in the same category as paedeophiles and murderers.

I think Russell Brand, for all his daftness, is the only one to have come out of any of these BBC fiascos with some respect, because he admitted he'd done wrong immediately and he apologised profusely. I felt it was from the heart too, as he seemed genuinely upset to have caused the upset he did to Andrew Sachs and his grandaughter. Then he disappeared off into the sunset, of his own accord, without ever having to be sacked from his job. He behaved in an honourable way at the end.

I think that Carol and Jonathon have a great deal to learn from Russell.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: The Villan
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 01:20 PM

I dread to think of the the people who live in the Black Country and talk the dialect.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 01:21 PM

Life at your home must be a barrel of laughs, Bonzo3. :)


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: The Villan
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 01:31 PM

We had a black cat (1950's) and it was called Nigger.

We loved the cat to pieces. Like Lizzie, racism never came into it. In fact we didn't know what it meant.

Blimey to think every night we called the cat in "Here Nigger, Nigger, here Nigger, Nigger" until the cat came in.

When the cat died it broke our hearts.

I guess today we would be considered rascist and would receive death threats (even though we weren't/are).


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: The Villan
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 01:32 PM

>>(even though we weren't/are)<<

That should have read (even though we weren't/are not)


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 01:33 PM

I had a friend owned a stuffed blonde doll in southern belle gown that you could flip over smooth the dress down over her head to reveal the black mammy doll. It fascinated me when I was little because it was a clever trick. Even at the tender age of eight I wonderered why the white side had a pretty dress on and the black side gingham and a patched apron.   At least this doll looked real and was painted attractively.

I find the g... dolls repugnant. They are no more than a racist caricature from a (thank gawd) bygone era. There is nothing remotely accruate about them compared to the people they were created to parody.

While I would never approve of a torch and pitchfork bearing village mob runnning purveyors of such goods out of town, I would not give them any custom and I would not be afraid to tell them why.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: kendall
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 01:36 PM

"Look out how you use proud words. They walk off proudly. They wear long boots, they wear hard boots. They can't hear you calling.
Look out how you use proud words."

Carl Sandburg.

"The moving finger writes; and having writ moves on.
Nor all your piety and wit can lure it back to cancel half a line,
Nor all your tears wash out a word of it."

Omar Khayyam


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: open mike
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 01:41 PM

i wondered so i googled..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golliwogg


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 02:02 PM

"the sins of Augusto Pinochet are not those of Margaret Thatcher."
No, but she endorsed his actions by supporting his not coming to trial for war crimes.
Carol Thatcher - her actions indicate she is comfortable in following in her mother's footsteps.
Can we have some ground rules here - what should be permissible?
We've had Harry the halfwit with his 'towelhead and Pakie - up to the point he used the terms, generally accepted as racist and offensive (even in the dictionary)
Then (Charlie the clown) - Sooty
The D of E - Fuzzie-wuzzie
The Queen mother regularly talked about 'darkies'
Where do we go from here - nig-nog (or nigger), coon, Yid (or Kike, or Sheeney), greaser (or greaseball), Polak, Frog, Kraut......?
Please tick the appropriate space.
All of those proudly displaying their racism confirm what I have always believed - there are as many of you in the closet as out of it.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 02:08 PM

Yes, some of that was in the Robertson's link too,

Taken from open mike's link above. to Wiki:

"In February 2009, Carol Thatcher, in an off-air conversation at the BBC, referred to the black French tennis player Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, competing in the Australian Open, as looking like a golliwog.[5] The comment was considered by the BBC as "wholly unacceptable" and Thatcher was informed that unless she apologised she would no longer be a reporter on BBC's The One Show. Thatcher stated that it was a silly joke and declined to make an "unconditional apology". Thatcher claimed that her comment was a reference to the golliwog motifs that she saw in her childhood on "jars of jam" (Robertson's Marmalade).[6]

The French publication Sportsweek claimed that Thatcher, in talking about a previous competition referred to another player as "the one who was defeated by the golliwog in the previous tour". The French publication, which showed a picture of Tsonga above a picture of a toy golliwog, claimed that Thatcher was "mortified" and that her comment was about the similarity of Tsonga's appearance to the doll that she had as a child.[7]"


As I said, Carol Thatcher has a lot to learn from Russell Brand.





I didn't know these bits:

Other meanings and in popular culture...........

......The American rock group Creedence Clearwater Revival was known as "The Golliwogs" and under this name they released a number of singles on the Fantasy label before they rose to prominence......

.....Golliwog is a solo-single by ABBA member Agnetha Fältskog from 1974....."


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: The Villan
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 02:14 PM

Better not go to The Netherlands or Flanders at Sinterklaas


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 02:14 PM

Pardon me, but are there ANY excuses for a racist comment? ANY?????


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 02:20 PM

The fact remains that she SAID it, and it was not meant 'kindly' I'm sure. No, she doesn't deserve death threats but she doesn't need apologists either.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 02:23 PM

Your "liberal" attitude disappoints me Jim. You of all people must know that there are many nastier wrongs in this world than a few stupid words from one stupid woman.
There are no racists on this forum as far as I know, but plenty of Witchfinder Generals trying to hunt one down.

The man whom I believe we both revere, Mr MacColl, would not be taken in I'm sure.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,Mr Yeahbut
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 02:30 PM

just need a G.I.Joe / Action Man KKK outfit

and the mudcat toybox will be complete.....


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 02:36 PM

Sir John Betjeman always reminded me of a teddy bear.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: kendall
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 02:41 PM

Considering that I don't know what a golliwog looks like, I can't comment.


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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 02:42 PM

"No, she doesn't deserve death threats but she doesn't need apologists either."

Who's apologising for her? In her arrogance, she's chosen *not* to apologise. Arrogant people do that, refuse to apologise. It says a great deal about them.


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