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New Jersey State Song

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BALLAD OF LEWIS MILLS
BLACK JACK DAVY (IN ATLANTIC CITY)
CAPTAIN BILLY AND THE WHALE
DOWN BY THE SOUTHERN JERSEY SHORE
DOWN BY TOMS RIVER
EVERGREENS ARE TREATED WITH A COAT OF NOXIOUS SPRAY
FINNEGAN'S OTHER WAKE
FORT DIX STOCKADE
JERSEY DEVIL
JERSEYWOCKY
PINE BARRENS SONG
THE BALLAD OF 578
THE NERVOUS WRECK OF THE EDNA FITZGERALD
THE ROLLING MILLS OF NEW JERSEY


Gorgeous Gary 06 Nov 09 - 09:24 PM
EBarnacle 06 Nov 09 - 09:17 AM
RangerSteve 05 Nov 09 - 05:49 PM
dwditty 05 Nov 09 - 03:23 PM
Ruth Archer 05 Nov 09 - 12:26 PM
SINSULL 05 Nov 09 - 12:06 PM
GUEST,TonyA 05 Nov 09 - 11:07 AM
Desert Dancer 04 Nov 09 - 11:42 PM
SharonA 08 Feb 09 - 04:32 PM
Desert Dancer 08 Feb 09 - 02:13 PM
Ruth Archer 07 Feb 09 - 02:48 PM
Big Mick 07 Feb 09 - 02:46 PM
RangerSteve 07 Feb 09 - 02:34 PM
Ruth Archer 07 Feb 09 - 01:48 PM
Big Mick 07 Feb 09 - 01:30 PM
Ruth Archer 07 Feb 09 - 01:06 PM
Ruth Archer 07 Feb 09 - 12:46 PM
Big Mick 07 Feb 09 - 12:32 PM
Ruth Archer 07 Feb 09 - 12:22 PM
GUEST,Dani 07 Feb 09 - 12:19 PM
Ruth Archer 07 Feb 09 - 07:50 AM
GUEST,Dani 07 Feb 09 - 07:09 AM
Ruth Archer 06 Feb 09 - 09:15 PM
pdq 06 Feb 09 - 07:46 PM
SharonA 06 Feb 09 - 07:34 PM
PoppaGator 06 Feb 09 - 03:48 PM
ClaireBear 05 Feb 09 - 04:03 PM
Ruth Archer 05 Feb 09 - 03:48 PM
dick greenhaus 05 Feb 09 - 03:20 PM
Ruth Archer 05 Feb 09 - 11:34 AM
GUEST,Dani 05 Feb 09 - 11:29 AM
Ruth Archer 05 Feb 09 - 10:38 AM
Ruth Archer 05 Feb 09 - 10:36 AM
GUEST,Dani 05 Feb 09 - 08:35 AM
GLoux 05 Feb 09 - 08:31 AM
Ruth Archer 05 Feb 09 - 02:44 AM
Ruth Archer 05 Feb 09 - 02:40 AM
johnross 04 Feb 09 - 11:19 PM
Desert Dancer 04 Feb 09 - 08:27 PM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 04 Feb 09 - 07:46 PM
GUEST,Dani 04 Feb 09 - 07:31 PM
Ruth Archer 04 Feb 09 - 06:39 PM
Big Mick 04 Feb 09 - 06:36 PM
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Big Mick 04 Feb 09 - 06:14 PM
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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: Gorgeous Gary
Date: 06 Nov 09 - 09:24 PM

What? No votes for "Jerseywocky?" 8-)

-- Gary


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: EBarnacle
Date: 06 Nov 09 - 09:17 AM

My friend Bob Killian wrote the definitive song to the Jersey shore many years ago:

I like the white sand beaches,
I like the deep blue sea,
I like the seafood and peaches,
I like the Bi Ki Ni's

Some people go to the mountains
But tell me what Summer's for--
Having some fun in the surf and the Sun,
I like the Jersey Shore.

That's just the chorus.

All positive, all about enjoying New Jersey things.

By the way, I spent most of my childhood in Woodbridge Township.


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: RangerSteve
Date: 05 Nov 09 - 05:49 PM

Dwditty, thanks for the lyrics. I noticed you put a ? after Caviar. I assume you weren't sure about that one. Yes, there's a Caviar on the Delaware Bay, along the path that sturgeon used to take on their way up the Delaware River. Sturgeon roe was a major industry there at one time. There's not much left of the town, and no signs that it was ever a big deal.


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: dwditty
Date: 05 Nov 09 - 03:23 PM

I posted a link to THIS SONG above - Garden State Stomp (as recorded by Dave Van Ronk). There is certainly no argument that it is pure NJ as every word is the name of a place in the Garden State::
^^

1st Verse

Allamuchy
Hacklebarney
Rockaway
Piscataway.

HoHoKus
Secaucus
Lower Squankum
Fair Play.

Wanamassa
Succasunna
Manumuskin
Plumbsock.

BiValve
Buckshutem
Turkey Foot
Macanippock.

Jugtown
Feebletown
Nummytown
Rahway...
2

2nd Verse

Wickatunk
Manunka Chunk
Mantua
Mizpah.

Manasquan
Raritan
Matawan
Totowa.

Whippany
Parsippany
Penny Pot
Hackensack.

Batsto
Nesco
Metedeconk
Peapack.

Loch Arbour
Egg Harbor
Swinesburg
Caviar?
3

3rd Verse (A little faster)

Cheesequake
Boy Scout Lake
Moonachie
Tenafly.

Netcong
Watchung
Pluckemin
Mount Misery.

Bardonia
Ironia
Colonia
Weehawken.
Manahawkin
Mantoloking
Mahalala
Pennsauken.

Dutchtown
Ironbound
Frelinghuysen
and Lodi...
4

4th Verse (Still faster)

Hardscrabble
Double Trouble
Picatinny
Montague.

Muckshaw Pond
Oakanickon
Espanong
Ocean View.

Navesink
Shabakunk
Ongs Hat
Jumbo.

Wortendyke
Waterwitch Park
Blue Ball
Ringoes.

Matchaponix
Delawanna
Wawayanda


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Nov 09 - 12:26 PM

Usually at this time of year I'm in NJ, so htis thread is making me homesick all over again!


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: SINSULL
Date: 05 Nov 09 - 12:06 PM

I was about to add "I Love NY" as the state song of NY - as a joke. But it's not, a joke that is.


http://www.50states.com/songs/


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: GUEST,TonyA
Date: 05 Nov 09 - 11:07 AM

quote: I think Toms River is still South Jersey, while Trenton pretty much starts North Jersey. Discuss.

I would say it's the opposite.

Trenton, where I grew up, has a southern accent, and it always felt culturally closer to Philadelphia and to Burlington and Camden counties. Princeton is northern, so the boundary must still be somewhere around Province Line Road.

Toms River, where I live now, makes me feel homesick for the south. It's geographically south of Trenton, but it has a northern accent, and almost everyone who lives here is originally from the Newark area and they still go into Manhattan for shopping and entertainment.

I'm not a baseball fan, but the Yankees/Phillies map (at the "Where is the line between North & South Jersey?" site that someone else linked to) matches my sense of north and south. The first shore town I would unequivocally call southern is Tuckerton, as the map suggests.


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 11:42 PM

Refreshing for more on the regions of the great state of New Jersey:

yes, Wikipedia...

North Jersey
South Jersey
Central Jersey

and, I had no idea:

East Jersey
West Jersey

~ Becky in Tucson
Native of North Jersey
(there's no way you can call Morris County any part of Central Jersey)


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: SharonA
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 04:32 PM

Ruth: Nope, it wasn't a dream. You asked if Tastykake sells out of the region now. According to the Tastykake website, "The Company's core geographic region expands out from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, west to Cleveland, Ohio; north to Northern New Jersey; south to Northern Virginia; and east to the Eastern Shore of Maryland."

Also on their website, a "Statement on Peanut Butter":
"In light of the expanded recall of peanut butter and peanut butter-based products, Tasty Baking Company announced today [Jan 18, 2009] that all Tastykake products, including the iconic Peanut Butter Kandy Kake, are safe for consumption and not included in the national recall program. Tasty Baking Company does not have a supplier relationship with Peanut Corporation of America (PCA). Further, Tasty Baking Company continues to uphold its nearly century-long reputation for quality assurance on its ingredient supply chain. This corporate quality assurance program includes rigorous internal testing of ingredients, including peanut butter, for any bacteria, such as Salmonella, or contamination."
(Sign of the times, eh? Talk about "the horror"!)


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 02:13 PM

Used to love canoeing with my family (and the Appalachian Mountain Club) in the Pine Barrens...


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 02:48 PM

Yup - that's the guys.


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 02:46 PM

I am sure you are right, Steve, but these are sooooooo small. You often see them at night, grazing beside the ACX.


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: RangerSteve
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 02:34 PM

Mick, They are definately White-tail deer. If they're bigger in Michigan, maybe it's because the food supply is greater there. And there's probably more room. There isn't much grass in the pine barrens, and few leafy trees. White-tail are the only deer in NJ.


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 01:48 PM

See, compared to the deer you get in the UK those big! I've always heard them referred to as white-tail. At certain times of the year you see more dead ones on the side of the road than you do live ones walking around - that always creeped me out.

I love going looking for ghost towns in the pines. Amazing scenery,too. You can go Jersey Devil hunting from the camp at Mount Misery!

I have a lot of family around Hammonton and Mays Landing. But I love going to the general store at Chatsworth!


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 01:30 PM

I lived in Berlin, which is right on the edge of all that beauty. There are some cool, abandoned towns and buildings all through that area.

One thing I noticed was the deer in that area are incredibly small I asked a friend what type of deer they were, and he thought they were whitetails. I don't think so, as I come from an area where whitetails are plentiful and they are never that small when full grown. I am wondering if they don't have a herd of fallow deer, maybe that escaped from a breeder or something. I used to see them a lot along the AC Expressway, and the Garden State Parkway. Very small, look almost the size of spring born fawns in Michigan.


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 01:06 PM

Look what just popped into my Facebook mailbox:

Piney Power!


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 12:46 PM

See, that's disappointing. As I'm sure it was a rumour I helped to perpetuate for years. LOL!


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 12:32 PM

Not according TO THIS, Ruth.

Mick


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 12:22 PM

I've joined the Facebook group for Captain Noah! LOL!

My family adored Al Alberts. Nuff said.

Here's a rumour I remember - or is it an urban legend? Was Larry Ferrari the brother of ukelele-playing freak Tiny Tim?

Look at the face...


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 12:19 PM

NO SHIT! Larry Ferrari!

Didn't he used to play organ demos at the Cherry Hill (or Moorestown?) Mall? I actually think he may have played once at the rollerrink, too...

We weren't allowed to watch Al Alberts OR Captain Noah... my mother was afraid, very afraid.

Dani


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 07:50 AM

"I don't understand this nostalgia for Wawa convenience stores in NJ. Wawa is a Pennsylvania thing"

THey're very big in South Jersey too. My cousin's daughter is at Drexel in Philly, and they have a 7-11 on her corner. She has to go home to the Jersey shore for Wawa.

"As for Tastykake, does anyone besides me remember when peanut butter Kandy Kakes were peanut butter Tandy Takes?"

I thought I'd dreamed that! I almost wrote it that way earlier in the thread and then I was like, "Where the hell did THAT come from?!"

"This was back when Tastykake only sold their products locally. Those were the days when they would put one long, thick ribbon of icing over the 3 chocolate cupcakes in a pack -- oooh, yeah."

Right there with you on that one. Do they sell out of the region now?

I remember the first time I walked into a Tesco in England some years ago and saw ENTENMANN's cakes! That was weird - there were parts of New Jersey where you didn't even get Entenmann's when I was a kid, but there they were in Staffordshire.

And now, to show that growing up in the Delaware Valley wasn't just about food...


Oh, the horror...

the horror!!!!


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 07:09 AM

Over in the Seamus and the Tornado thread, a few Jersey songs are mentioned. Anyone familiar with those?

Dani


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 09:15 PM

Jesus - someone's mentioned Al Alberts.


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: pdq
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 07:46 PM

I just spied a song by Herman Hupfeld, the man who wrote "As Time Goes By".

It is called "A Hut in Hoboken".

Might be a little dated, eh?


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Subject: ADDPOP: Jersey Girl (Tom Waits)
From: SharonA
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 07:34 PM

Carnsarn it, I was going to suggest "On the Way to Cape May" but GLoux beat me to it. Who can ever forget the Al Alberts rendition?! (Well, just in case you did, here it is: Al Alberts sings "On the Way to Cape May") Now, sing it till ya learn it!

What about Springsteen's "Jersey Girl"? Cross the river to the Jersey side...

I don't understand this nostalgia for Wawa comvenience stores in NJ. Wawa is a Pennsylvania thing, headquartered in (where else?) Wawa, PA. I'm a Pennsylvania girl born and bred, I live in Mudcat Central country in the same town where ancestors from both sides of my family are buried, and there's a Wawa just down the street. Around here, Wawa calls 'em "hoagies". However, there are sub shops as well. I have yet to discover the difference.

As for Tastykake, does anyone besides me remember when peanut butter Kandy Kakes were peanut butter Tandy Takes? This was back when Tastykake only sold their products locally. Those were the days when they would put one long, thick ribbon of icing over the 3 chocolate cupcakes in a pack -- oooh, yeah.

Hey, my stomach just growled. I think I'll log out and go get a roast beef hoagie. Or a cheese steak wit'. And a Tastykake blueberry pie (one o' those little rectangular pies -- yummmm). Maybe some Herr's potato chips, the salt-and-vinegar kind... and a soda. NOT "pop"; "soda"!!!
"Jersey Girl" Lyrics added. -Joe Offer-

JERSEY GIRL
(Tom Waits)

I got no time for the corner boys
Down in the street making all that noise
Or the girls out on the avenue
'Cause tonight I wanna be with you

Tonight I'm gonna take that ride
Across the river to the Jersey side
Take my baby to the carnival
And I'll take her on all the rides

'Cause down the shore everything's all right
You and your baby on a Saturday night
You know all my dreams come true
When I'm walking down the street with you

Sing sha la la la, sha la la la, sha la la la
Sha la la la I'm in love with a Jersey girl
Sha la la la, sha la la la, sha la la la

You know she thrills me with all her charms
When I'm wrapped up in my baby's arms


Words and music by Tom Waits. Also recorded by Bruce Springsteen

[ From: http://www.metrolyrics.com/jersey-girl-lyrics-tom-waits.html ]


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: PoppaGator
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 03:48 PM

In Central Jersey, where I grew up (Plainfield), the term was always "sub," not "hoagie." As far as I was ever concerned, the term "hoagie" was used elsewhere as a name for sandwiches more-of-less similiar to real submarine sammiches. Of course, this dates back MANY years before there was any such thing as the Subway chain, or any fast-food chains for that matter.

The sandwiches at Mike's Sub Shop on Washington Ave at North Ave (Rt 28) in Dunellen are pretty hard to beat. (Not to be confused with the johnny-come-lately chain "Jersey Mike's Subs," which is OK but kind of corporate.)

The link that Becky/Desert Dancer provided for a discussion about the dividing line between North and South Jersey, sadly enough, leads to a site where NO messages have been posted, just the title.

To my mind, the dividing line depends upon whether you are defining two areas (north and south), or three (north, central, and south). When I was in high school, the way that the interscholastic sports administration divided the state had four public-school regions (North 1, North 2, Central, and South) but only two private/parochial regions, North and South.

I know that "Parochial South" extended up through Trenton and beyond; my school in Metuchen (northern Middlesex County, near New Brunswick) was even considered "south" in that context, although no one would ever consider that area as anywhere near "South Jersey."

And its' not really "North Jersey," either ~ my old home "tri-county area" of Union/Somerset/Middlesex is pretty definitively Central Jersey, along with Hunterdon and Warren to the west. Central Jersey might extend as far north as Morristown and/or south to Trenton, or at least Princeton.

That public-school-sports division of North Jersey into two halves makes a certain amount of sense. The northeastern part of the state is very urban, very densely populated, while the northwest is hilly, scenic, and "exurban" if not downright rural. The stereotypical "Joisey" accent and culture is really a feature only of the extreme northeastern part of the state, immediately adjacent to NYC; you won't find it in the south, central, or even the northwestern areas.


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: ClaireBear
Date: 05 Feb 09 - 04:03 PM

It is just too weird that there are two threads about state songs for New Jersey, but there are. The other one doesn't mention state songs in the thread title, though...

On that other thread, Margaret very kindly posted the lyrics to the song I was thinking of, the John Gorka song, "I'm from New Jersey."

Now I'm NOT from New Jersey, but I get a really detailed picture from that song. Especially the line that goes "I'm from New Jersey/It's like Ohio/But even more so/Imagine that."

Claire


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Feb 09 - 03:48 PM

What a peach on the beach she is charming
What a peach on the beach she is swell
You can bet Nanette
Was the pride and pet
Of the Marlborough Blenheim Hotel


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 05 Feb 09 - 03:20 PM

When it's appleblossom time in Orange, New Jersey (we'll make a peach of a pair)..


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Feb 09 - 11:34 AM

Peel off. Every time.


Don't forget to show some love for the Peanut Butter Kandy Kakes.


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 05 Feb 09 - 11:29 AM

.... that's what I'm talking about. Butterscotch Krimpets. Peel off the frosting, or just bite in?

Dani


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Feb 09 - 10:38 AM

OMG!!! Look at the care package! Soft pretzels, Tastykakes and Herr's chips!

*swoon*


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Feb 09 - 10:36 AM

Dani, are those chocolate covered SOFT pretzels?! No WAY...

GLoux, my dad used to sing that bloody song every time we drove down to Cape May or Wildwood. Loudly. Incessantly. Harmonising to himself. Arg.


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 05 Feb 09 - 08:35 AM

Funny, I remember when we moved to South Jersey from CA, and I told my friends we were going 'to the beach'. They laughed at me once they realized I was really going 'down the shore'.

I got used to that, and now live in NC, where it's back 'to the beach' : )

Bring me your tired, your hungry:

http://store.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=pdirect&StoreType=BtoC&Count1=820507228&Count2=737647652

Dani


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: GLoux
Date: 05 Feb 09 - 08:31 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsfeEvZcTjM

"On the Way to Cape May"

"A love story that begins in Ocean City and wends its way along the Jersey Shore through Sea Isle City, Avalon, Stone Harbor, Cape May Court House, Wildwood, and romantic Cape May." (Words and music by Bud Nugent, 1960).

Lyrics:
You looked so very pretty, when we met in Ocean City,
like someone, oh, so easy to adore.
I sang this little ditty, on our way to Ocean City,
heading south along New Jersey's shore.

On the way to Cape May, I fell in love with you.
On the way to Cape May, I saw my dreams come true.
I was taken by your smile, as we drifted by Sea Isle.
My heart was really gone when we reached Avalon.
On the way to Cape May, Stone Harbor's skies were blue.
We were naming the day when Wildwood came in view.
If you're gonna be my spouse, we'd better head for that Court House
On the way to Cape May,
On the way to Cape May.


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Feb 09 - 02:44 AM

Dani - but you're on the right side of the river! :D


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Subject: RE: New Jersey State Song
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Feb 09 - 02:40 AM

Now this has been moved up to the music section, does that mean we shouldn't talk about subs and pork roll anymore? :(


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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song
From: johnross
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 11:19 PM

Dave van Ronk's "Garden State Stomp" is the obvious choice for New Jersey State Song.


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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 08:27 PM

I'm pretty sure that in the early '70s we used to get "subs" for a special dinner from an Italian shop in Madison (adjacent to Florham Park, the hometown) -- which is decidedly North Jersey. But we definitely had "Taylor ham".

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 07:46 PM

Actually Ruth, Subway really started invading the turf about 10 to 15 years ago. I had heard them referred to as subs much earlier, many Italian deli's proudly proclaimed "subs" in their displays. If you are ever in Bergenfield, Dan's Deli near the high school probably sold more lunches than the school cafeteria.    Hoagies was not uncommon back then, but the sandwich answered to either.

Mick - I've found that there is nothing finer than a Pats cheesteak, but I have to admit that I've never tried Tony Luc's.

Now if you are talking hotdogs- in North Jersey it was a toss up between Callahan's (no longer in business), Hirams, or if you want to travel a bit further - Rutt's Hutt. Try their ripper - it is breathtaking. Literally.


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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 07:31 PM

more thoughtful post later, but sufficient to say you've moved me to tears of nostalgia... and hunger, damn you!

Ruth. Camden? CAMDEN!! Where I come from them's fightin' words. Actually, damn close : ) Cinnaminson!

Dani


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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 06:39 PM

I usually go over every October, during the school holidays - my daughter loves visiting her American family. But this year she's on a school trip to Japan in October, so I'm not sure when our trip will be. But I will keep you posted.

Have you ever made it to the Albert Music Hall in the Pines, for old time Piney music nights? It's great.


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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 06:36 PM

Howzabout we meet up in AC or Ventnor and the Subs are on me? I might be there this summer. Might even swap a song or two.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 06:32 PM

Philly cheese steaks are an abomination. Tellinya, Mick - if you ever get back, White House Subs in Atlantic City or Sackos in Ventnor - same family, both fabulous (no crazy queues at Sackos, though!). You'll thank me.


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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 06:14 PM

I don't pretend to be a native, I did live in South Jersey (Medford, and Berlin) for a little over 3 years. Wawa's is one thing I miss terrible, as my girth can attest. And I only ever heard, in that area, them referred to as hoagies. When I would say "sub" (which is what we would call them in Michigan) I would at least get a look like I had a tail, and at worst get a "you're not from around here, areya, honey?".

As to Philly cheese steaks, all the publicity goes to Pat's or Geno's, but for my money (and most of the locals I know) the best steak in Philly is Tony Luc's. And for those of you not from the area, be warned. When ordering, don't tell 'em you want a cheese steak. The already know that. Just let em know "wit or wit'out" for onions, and what kind of cheese. Whiz, provo, or mozz.

Oh, yeah ...... is there anyplace on earth where you can get a better white pizza w/seafood than South Jersey?

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song
From: Becca72
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 12:45 PM

"State songs are silly. They are kind of like school songs; mostly anthems that are 'for the record', but no one ever really sings them, do they?"

Dani, I don't know about 'singing' the school song, but I was in the marching band throughout high school and we played the damned thing (it was difficult!) at every home football game.

My ex is from South Jersey. He always says it just that way; not New Jersey, South Jersey. I remember my introduction to Wawa..he ALWAYS had to stop for a soft pretzel (we lived in Vermont) and I grew to love their coffee. He grew up on 'subs' and I grew up with the Maine equivalent 'italian sandwhich'.


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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 10:55 AM

I suspect that's because of ther ubiquitousness of Subway, Ron - we even have them in the UK. Subs? Ha! I wouldn't feed that to my dog.

I may be ever so slightly biased, but I think the subs on the Jersey shore are the best. In the world. Ever.

*I could murder a cheese steak from White House or Sacko's right now!*


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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 09:53 AM

Pork roll is also a tradition in North Jersey, although it is probably more popular in the south.

"Hoagies" is not used as much as it used to, but I do remember in High School here in North Jserey we had an annual "hoagie" sale to support the senior class.   Nowadays "sub" seems to the term everyone uses.


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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 09:24 AM

Atlantic County right here, Dani! Though you intrigue me with your knowledge of Wawa yet your use of "hoagie" instead of "sub"...are you from Camden?

Rapaire - no matter what you call it or where it comes from, it's wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 09:04 AM

That's because, Ruth, he said you can spice it any way you want. He likes it a bit spicy, but others don't. So he wouldn't give me any spices for it. He also said that you needn't use ham -- you could use any bits of meat you had around, as "they did during the Depression."

My Uncle would not give me his recipes for either sauerkraut or hausenpfieffer -- he said they "weren't very good."

Goetta (pronounced "gerta") is a similar dish from the Cincinnati area.


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