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Comrac (troll alert contact max) 19 Dec 08 - 10:52 AM
Dave the Gnome 19 Dec 08 - 11:03 AM
Paul Burke 19 Dec 08 - 11:09 AM
Paco Rabanne 19 Dec 08 - 11:52 AM
Will Fly 19 Dec 08 - 12:01 PM
Riginslinger 19 Dec 08 - 12:15 PM
Richard Bridge 19 Dec 08 - 02:13 PM
PoppaGator 19 Dec 08 - 02:28 PM
McGrath of Harlow 19 Dec 08 - 07:03 PM
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Riginslinger 19 Dec 08 - 07:53 PM
Jack Campin 19 Dec 08 - 08:38 PM
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Riginslinger 19 Dec 08 - 10:32 PM
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Subject: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Comrac (troll alert contact max)
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 10:52 AM

With the pound and the euro more or less the same we are now seeing the Tide turn as Poles end great migration.

A wave of immigration that helped to fuel Ireland's early 21st century boom is over.


Hard statistics on the number of Poles leaving Britain do not exist. There are no embarkation controls on EU members so they are are not counted out. But Polish officials, Irish/British employment agencies and the Polish media all believe that the tide of immigration has turned. Since Poland joined the EU in 2004, 274,065 Poles have signed up for work permits. They make up 66 per cent of all applications from Eastern European countries.

But a combination of tightening economic conditions in this country, a comparatively weak pound and an unprecendented surge in the Polish economy has made it unattractive for Poles to remain.

Half of the estimated one million British-based Poles are expected to return home within the next few months.

This means you will be able to get an appointment with your doctor or dentist a lot quicker and there will be primary school places available. There has been a number of murders within the Polish community living in Ireland, and a large number have been charged with drunk driving, and no road tax or insurance.


The tide of immigration prompted supermarkets to introduce ranges of Polish products as they sought to tap into the substantial spending power of the new arrivals. Polish newspapers and radio stations sprang up. Libraries started stocking Polish books.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 11:03 AM

Shame realy - I was enjoying the new Polki Sklep round the corner from us and it gave my Dad someone to talk to in the 'old tongue':-) Well, at least it should stop the whinging gits who were complaining that they took all the jobs. Maybe all these complainers will now get of their arses and start to do the jobs that no-one but the Poles would take...

Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Paul Burke
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 11:09 AM

..a large number have been charged with drunk driving, and no road tax or insurance.

They really got into the local culture, didn't they?


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 11:52 AM

I hope my nice Polish NHS dentist doesn't go home!


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Will Fly
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 12:01 PM

Yes, there was a similar sort of influx of Poles into Britain around 1939-1940 - you know, caused by the German invasion of Poland. Perhaps on a slightly smaller scale, but an influx all the same. Because of the political state of post-war Poland, with Uncle Joe in charge, many of them stayed and contributed even more to Britain after fighting with us.

My father-in-law was one of them, and a fine man he was. And so were his friends in the local Polish community in Lancashire. Good luck to today's Polish people - wherever they may go!


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 12:15 PM

Mexicans are leaving America too. If there is a silver lining to be found in the disaster of this financial melt-down, this has to be it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 02:13 PM

That is not nicely put!


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: PoppaGator
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 02:28 PM

Is it Poland's turn to have an economic resurgence, a la "Celtic Tiger" Ireland?


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 07:03 PM

That is not nicely put!

That isn't exactly surprising.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 07:07 PM

"There has been a number of murders within the Polish community living in Ireland, and a large number have been charged with drunk driving, and no road tax or insurance."

Of course ... "they" bring their crime with "them" ...


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"That isn't exactly surprising."

That is nicely put.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 07:53 PM

"'Of course ... "they" bring their crime with "them" ...'"


                That isn't exactly surprising.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 08:38 PM

Is there somewhere Comrac and Ringinslinger can be incentivized to go back to? Preferably the underside of some flat rock that can't access Mudcat?


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 09:35 PM

Mexicans are leaving America too.

Really? Where are they going? Europe? Asia? If they're returning to Mexico they aren't leaving America, they're only leaving the US.

Anyway, regardless of where they're going, a good number of them will be back next time a hurricane knocks the shingles from the roofs of a few hundred thousand houses.

You see, a lot of white people have two major personality issues when it comes to home repairs:

1) They're too lazy or stupid to do it themselves.

2) They're too cheap to pay what other white people want to charge to do the job when a crew of Mexicans will do it for half as much.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 10:10 PM

Hmm, is that racial prejudice against whites?


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 10:32 PM

Seems like it to me!


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: GUEST,beachcomber
Date: 20 Dec 08 - 07:16 AM

What kind of RACIST Sh--e is allowed on this forum, nowadays ? Is it becoming one of those sites ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Dec 08 - 07:14 PM

I thought they were talking about nationalities. I didn't know Poles and Mexicans weren't part of the human race.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Chris Green
Date: 20 Dec 08 - 07:20 PM

It's nice to see small-minded, bigoted pricks aren't just confined to the UK!


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 Dec 08 - 09:13 PM

And, of course, there are really small minded pricks who can't seem to grasp the reality that Poles and Brits are mostly Europeans, so any friction between them certainly couldn't be racial.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: bobad
Date: 20 Dec 08 - 10:14 PM

The appropriate term, in this case, is bigotry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 Dec 08 - 11:03 PM

Probably the proper term is "concern for the survival of the planet."


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 01:30 AM

Good god, Rig. What on earth makes a person feel -and espouse - the notion that one group is more entitled to survival than another?


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 08:26 AM

I'm not aware of anyone doing that!


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Comrac (troll alert contact max)
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 09:09 AM

Listen twist and turn this whatever way you wish, there is nothing bigoted about it. Christ you can't open your mouth these days someone is ready to pounce on you with this race shit card.

Look I live in Ireland, I speak as I see it. I have no problems with individuals from Poland or anywhere in Europe coming in here. What I do have problems with is, If the government want an open door policy, fine. Please build extra schools and hospitals to cope with the numbers. Befor they came over we heard we needed more primary school places and more hospitals, so that problem didn't go away.

And it would help if those wishing to live here took a crash course in English before taking up residence. A lot simply don't have a word of English.

And yes a lot of Polish are appearing in the local papers every week for minor crimes. There seems to be problems within their own community. They fight a lot, sadly a lot seem to carry knives and hammers. They are certain to get stopped by the police and asked to blow into the bag, the numbers caught drunk driving is serious. They do like their Vodka !

Cut this racist shit out, I speak as I see it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 09:41 AM

"You see, a lot of white people have two major personality issues when it comes to home repairs:

1) They're too lazy or stupid to do it themselves."

*Puts hand up*

The Polish guy who does my handyman chores has just left my house. I ordered a new bed for Christmas guests, and it would have taken me the better part of a day and untold stress to put it together myself. It took him half an hour. He did some other stuff for me while I got on with making the Christmas pudding.

I hope Tomasz doesn't go back to Poland. he has a young family and his eldest starts school next year, so he's in two minds about whether they should start at an English school. The Polish community around here is still quite strong, but I think it has been for some time - that post-war influx found a home in this part of the country, and in fact there are some well-known Polish war graves up the road in Newark.

Anyway, I am glad they came. I can get decent rye bread at Sainsbury's now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: number 6
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 10:05 AM

I want to move to Mexico ... it's warmer there .... and the people are also friendly.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 10:12 AM

They do like their Vodka !

Gee, that's what they said about the Irish in America, and so many other places. Interesting how the tables turn, isn't it?

Comrac, I'm sure there are social problems caused wherever there is immigration. But immigration is one of the results of economic downturns, and immigrants deserve sympathy and assistance from those in a better economic situation. If you call yourself Irish, you're from a race that plagued the rest of the world with immigrants in the not-so-distant past. Those Irish immigrants turned out to be a blessing in many places.

Maybe you should try some Polish food before all the Poles go home.

-Joe Offer, of Irish ancestry and married to a Pole-


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Comrac (troll alert contact max)
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 11:18 AM

As I said Joe if you had read my post, I am not knocking them. I think the government should have proved the structures to deal with the numbers arriving in.

Yes the Irish planted themselves in a lot of pockets around the table. I didn't. I worked, put myself through college and paid my way, never received a hand out in my life. Sonot in a position to speak about that point.

I am an non smoking, tea total Irishman who remained in the land of his birth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 06:45 PM

MIf they're returning to Mexico they aren't leaving America, they're only leaving the US.

And it is arguable that a Mexican crossing the border with the United States is not actually leaving Mexico anymore than an Irishman or Irishwoman crossing the UK border is leaving Ireland.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Lox
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 07:21 PM

No Comrac - you aren't knocking them ...

... you're just saying that "They fight a lot, sadly a lot seem to carry knives and hammers. They are certain to get stopped by the police and asked to blow into the bag, the numbers caught drunk driving is serious. They do like their Vodka !"

No generalizations there, just you saying it as you see it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 08:40 PM

And I'd watch out for a guy carrying a hammer!


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 08:44 PM

Best thing to do when you want some work done that needs a man with a hammer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 09:37 PM

Of course, one would have to know something about hammers!


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 01:50 AM

For Britain, at least, the return of Poles back to Poland is a good thing because this will help slow down the rate of unemployment that always comes with a recession. Also, they will free up jobs that we didnt want originally,but do now- or rather, jobs that we did want, but couldn't get, because we had been squezzed out by the low wages that attracted immigrants but would not sustain a British person. The rate of immigration was far too high to be sustainable and we didn't have enough housing for them, which, in turn, pushed up rents for immigrants and indeginious people alike. Wages were pushed down and rents pushed up. As always, it is the, mostly, unskilled working class that suffers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Comrac (troll alert contact max)
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 02:25 AM

So Lox, Please enlighten us all. What do you know about the Polish community living in Ireland ?

Do you not believe me ? the two Polish guys that live two doors away from me were the first to agree with me when we spoke about this. They gave me a great insight to their culture last night. I never realised there was so much tension among them.

So come on Fill us all in.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 04:35 AM

My daughter's Polish friend, is off to Portugal soon, with her English boyfriend, to open a cafe and start a new life in a country where they can afford rent and food, without having to worry about it, as they do here. She works extremely hard. She came over a few years back with her Polish boyfriend, but was abandoned by him. He spoke fluent English, she spoke not a word. She was left here penniless and scared, but she taught herself the language, held down two jobs, worked every hour she possibly could, sending most of her money home to her family.

There are many, many Poles and Eastern Europeans in Sidmouth, where they keep the hotels going for those who visit the town. They all work damn hard for very little money, and in my opinion, they're exploited by the rich and greedy hotel owners, who use them as 'cheap labour', don't look after them at all well and even rent them rooms, at vast amounts, in the houses they own around town, where they so often like to keep their workers, ensuring they get their money back from them in rent.

If it wasn't for the Polish dentists who came over a few years back, then many people in Cornwall would have no dental care at all.

Here in Sidmouth, the trouble is caused by the English, not the Polish. If they all return to Poland, then I'll miss them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 04:41 AM

So why are British people not being trained as dentists? Yes, a lot of people are exploiting Poles for their cheap labour, but by doing so, they also squeeze out British labour.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Megan L
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 04:47 AM

The season of good will to all? Aye except if they don't come from your wee cleek. Of course local people never get drunk or cause any trouble except when they go to the folk club of course but thats tradition aint it.

A person is a person not a country.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 12:00 PM

We don't want no people what won't get drunk!


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 02:07 PM

If they are able to go home, good luck to them, and if they stay they good luck to them too.

I just wish that Polish good manners could rub off on some of the young natives, and I hope it doesn't happen the other way round.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: ard mhacha
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 02:21 PM

Hello Comrac or should I say Walter Mitty, you have now entered the Guinness book of records for alias's, have you collected any more nazi uniforms?, we all know this idiot from he first posted,his finger prints are on every post.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Comrac (troll alert contact max)
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 04:47 PM

As I said, as a tax payer all my life (unlike some) I feel the government should have improved the infrastructure to cope with the numbers arriving into the country.

Schools, hospitals and councils have all expressed concerns. It is nothing to do with race. No one expected the numbers that arrived.

I suppose one thing people like myself who always worked for a living instead of scrounging of the state (like some) admire about these guys is they pay their way.

I admire their attitude to hard work. There probably wouldn't be the requirement for their labour if the government over here would chase half the bloody loafers off benefits and make them do something to earn their hand-outs !

There are too many in the North of Ireland that don't want the crown, but they want the half crown !


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 03:38 AM

I must say, I do feel sorry for the Poles. Slagged off by some. Patronised by others. You all know who you are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 07:59 AM

"I feel the government should have improved the infrastructure to cope with the numbers arriving into the country."


               I would think it would make more sense for the government to try to do something to curb human population growth, so we all don't have to live like sardines.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: bubblyrat
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 08:32 AM

Why is it that every time somebody,ANYBODY, in Great Britain,or ,especially,England, says ANYTHING, or expresses ANY concern about the OVERWHELMING and TOTALLY UNSUSTAINABLE numbers of uncontrolled immigrants to an ALREADY OVERPOPULATED small island, they are immediately branded a RACIST or a NAZI ??? Why ??Why ?? Why ??
       I have nothing against Poles "per se".....my first girlfriend was a Burzinski, my first "proper" partner a Ziolkowski,and I really fancied a Bozena Radomski (despite her Glasgow accent ! )---in fact, many Poles,displaced by WW2, were housed in special camps in and around the Henley--Reading area, and the Polish Catholic College of The Sacred Heart, staffed by the Polish Marian Fathers,only very recently closed its doors at Fawley Court,near Henley-on-Thames where I was born and live today.BUT----I am talking about the 1950s and early to mid 1960s here, when A) the recent anti-German alliance between Britain and Poland was much more in the public collective mind and B)..there was far less overcrowding and congestion than there is today !!Thus were we ready,willing,and able to assimilate large numbers of refugees from the European theatre of the war.(including many GERMANS, which I think speaks volumes about the KINDNESS and TOLERANCE of the British people.)
                      Fast forward to today, however, and you have a DIFFERENT STORY altogether.Poland itself was lost to us for many years,and a whole generation grew up here in Britain knowing Poland as a COMMUNIST BLOC country, ---a part of the SOVIET EMPIRE, for God's sake !! COMMIES !! Now, because of recent political events, Poland is A) restored to its status as a non-communist country, and B) is suddenly part of the European Economic Union !! SO.....times are hard over there,after years of COMMUNIST maladministration,and there are no restrictions on cross-border travel in the EU, so, what do the Poles do ?? What anyone else would do, of course !! They come to SOFT,SENTIMENTAL,TOLERANT,FRIENDLY but, sadly, OVERCROWDED Britain----where, sadly,their prescence is not so welcome. It's a mixture of ECONOMICS and DEMOGRAPHICS, quite simply. So, some of you out there, PLEASE vent your Anti-Racist spleen elsewhere, and GET REAL ( Or come and live here in OVERCROWDEDSVILLE UK !!).
                   Shalom !!
                              Roger


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: GUEST,John from Kemsing
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 09:30 AM

Bubblyrat,
          Factually and reasonably expressed. You could be my Home Secretary for England, Wales , Northern Ireland and Scotland any day of the week. It`s about time someone on our behalf began to address Brussels with these terms.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: astro
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 11:54 AM

You know, it is amazing to me that there are always unsubstantiated claims that the immigrant communities bring nothing to our country. This does not even get close to the true facts. There is great initiative and culture that is mixed within ours that enriches us and brings economic growth (read Post America by Zacaria). My only suggestion to those who disparage our neighbors is that they most likely enjoy paying them minimum wage or below while complaining about them....My suspicion is that growth in all countries can also be attributed to motivated people including ones who have just arrived.

Astro...in Los Angeles...where the communities are mixed and we enjoy a multi-cultural life, much richer than some who seem to like to express themselves as if they have one too...


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 02:16 PM

Poles come to Britain for the same reason the Irish came here - there are jobs here that they can do. If the jobs aren't there, or the locals can do them as well they won't come here or stay here. If things are better back home they'll go home or stay home.

And, like the irish before them, they greatly improve the place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Dec 08 - 12:02 AM

The Poles came to Britain for the same reasons the Irish came--and the Mexicans come to America for the same reasons the Poles and the Irish came to Britain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tide turns as Poles end great migration
From: Paul Burke
Date: 24 Dec 08 - 04:17 AM

Where were the Mexicans before they came to America?


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